"Charlie Self" wrote in message
> My Woodworker's Pocket Reference Book has won an award for Best Do It
> Yourself title of 2005.
>
> For those interested, take a look at my auction for a slight price
> break:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4644711919&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
Congratulations! ... you've been conspicuous by your absence lately. Good to
'see' you, and glad to hear that something is going right for you.
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The Robert Bonomi entity posted thusly:
>There's a whole bunch of sh*t in the mail regs _expressly_ regarding
>books going cross-border. I know 'more about that than I care to',
>because the stuff i was mailing came under a related classfication.
>Note: books _are_ dutiable going into canada.
Don't think so. Last time I received a book, I paid GST (which is not
duty) and $5.00 handling (to Canada Post).
Charlie Self wrote:
> My Woodworker's Pocket Reference Book has won an award for Best Do It
> Yourself title of 2005.
>
> For those interested, take a look at my auction for a slight price
> break:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4644711919&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
>
Well! I take it there's no freebies for your best buds. Humph.
grumble,
jo4hn
p.s. Congratulations on the award. Very prestigious.
In article <[email protected]>,
C D Patterson <[email protected]> wrote:
>Charlie Self wrote:
>> My Woodworker's Pocket Reference Book has won an award for Best Do It
>> Yourself title of 2005.
>>
>> For those interested, take a look at my auction for a slight price
>> break:
>>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4644711919&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
>>
>
>Any specific reason why you won't ship outside the US?
Not speaking for Charlie, but mailing to Canada is a fair-size hassle.
mailing to elsewhere in the world is a major pain in the butt. I could
easily understand that Charlie might choose not to take on those hassles.
In article <[email protected]>,
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>
>> Not speaking for Charlie, but mailing to Canada is a fair-size hassle.
>> mailing to elsewhere in the world is a major pain in the butt. I could
>> easily understand that Charlie might choose not to take on those hassles.
>
>Poppycock, balderdash!
It may be that, but it is still TRUE.
A company I worked for did weekly mailings to the paid consulting
clientele -- around 80 domestic US, 3 in Canada, and 5 in varied
parts of Europe, Central, and South America. Getting the domestic
mail out took about _half_ (only!) of the total time spent doing
the mailing. For a while, immediately post 9/11, it wasn't so
disproportionate -- the 'foreign' mail only took about 20-25% of the
total time. But, after a while, when things settled back down again,
It was back to the "same old same-old".
>
>NO hassles shipping ANYTHING from the USA to Canada... I do it all the
>time.
>Especially a book.... I buy DVD's and book from Amazon . COM all the
>time.
You have stuff shipped _TO_ you in Canada, and that qualifies you as an
expert on what a U.S. based sender has to go through in sending you that
stuff. I don't think so.
Betcha you don't know about the customs declaration that the U.S. sender
of 'commercial' mail has to fill out. And that the mail _comes_back_
if the USPS has printed a new form, and you're still using up your
stock of old ones. DAMHIKT applies
Betcha you don't know that for over something like 5 ounces, you have
to _hand_ it to a U.S.P.S. employee, That means you take it _to_ the
Post Office -- you can't just drop it in the convenient mailbox, like
a domestic letter.
If you're doing a _lot_ of 'foreign' mailing, the additional overhead
is _not_ excessive -- a lot of it is 'fixed', that you can spread over
a bunch of pieces handled at the same time.
When you're only doing a few pieces at a time, it's a _whole_ nuther
story.
In article <[email protected]>,
CW <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Not speaking for Charlie, but mailing to Canada is a fair-size hassle.
>> mailing to elsewhere in the world is a major pain in the butt. I could
>> easily understand that Charlie might choose not to take on those hassles.
>>
>Glad you didn't say that a while ago. I recently mailed a radio to Canada
>and software to England.`
That wasn't an _antique_ radio, was it? <grin>
> Each was as easy as across the US. If I had known
>then what a hassle it was, I wouldn't have done it.
>
I bet it would surprise you to learn that 'personal' goods come under
a different set of rules that 'commercial' mail.
I won't speculate as to whether that radio 'should' have had import taxes
assessed on it, or, if you declared 'wrongly', whether or not Canadian
customs will/would catch it. (I will note that cross-border shipments of
'things of value', with a few exceptions like 'personal gifts', but *not*
including 'private sales', _are_ subject to import duty.)
But those _are_ reasons why such an 'apparently hassle-free' transaction
by the sender can lead to *major* complications and delays in delivery,
_and_ substantial additional costs to the recipient.
On 'personal' mailings to Canada, you -can-, "sometimes", get away with
'not doing it the right/required way' for 'things of value'. On the
other hand, it _may_ also get tagged for border inspection, and delayed
for a month or more, and with the recipient then having to pay a small
fortune in 'ransom' to get it released to him.
I was sending mail for a business, to customers who were paying for
that material to arrive in a _timely_ manner. I *had* to 'do it right',
or the customers became 'former customers'. Doing the necessary
paperwork _in_advance_ so that the mail does not get delayed/"held for
inspection" can be a bit of a fine art -- we had to be very careful
how we described what we were sending; one 'obvious' description made
the mail content dutiable, a somewhat different way of describing the
same material made it duty-exempt. With the 'exempt' description, it
went 'through the border' overnight.
Canada's rules on such are fairly simple, straightforward, easy to
_find_, and easy to *follow*, compared to a lot of the rest of the
world. And, if you only ship to those places 'occasionally', the
time and effort for a business to run that info down, figure out how
it applies to what they're doing, and _apply_ it to that single
pieces shipment, *IS* a "pain in the butt", of no small proportions.
"Letter correspondence" is one thing -- there are very few hassles with
regard to that kind of mail. But even a 'newsletter', for example, is
frequently considered to be 'a horse of a different color', and entirely
different rules come into play. Books, are also 'a different color'. :)
In article <[email protected]>,
Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> If you're doing a _lot_ of 'foreign' mailing, the additional overhead
>> is _not_ excessive -- a lot of it is 'fixed', that you can spread over
>> a bunch of pieces handled at the same time.
>
>But, that's what it would likely be, a bunch of orders to the same country
>all done at once. Even with the proviso that 'orders to Canada will be
>shipped out in lots of 10 or more) or something to that effect would be
>sufficient to take care of the 'single order' hassle. If it turns out after
>a few weeks that a bulk order of 10 isn't going to be met, then what has
>been ordered so far is sent out and 'then' the refusal to handle anymore
>orders to Canada or wherever.
>
>To start off the selling of a product by saying outright 'no orders to
>Canada' is tantamount to an insult when there isn't a least an initial
>effort to satisfy that market. IMHO.
Do you think it might be possible that he has _prior_experience_ with
other (at least somewhat similar) products to base a judgement on?
That he may have "good reason" to expect a very small number of orders
from the great white north, and that for anything approximating that i
number of orders it "isn't worth the time and trouble">
Note again, that I did _not_ say that this *is* why he isn't doing it,
just that it might be an explanation.
It is also possible that 'somebody else' has "exclusive distribution
rights" in Canada -- granted to them by the _publisher_ of the book.
In which case, he _cannot_ sell to people there, without violating the
agreement _he_ has with that self-same publisher.
If he'll take 'overseas' orders, but not Canada, this latter is almost
assuredly the 'true explanation'.
If he won't take _any_ 'international' orders, then it being a 'hassle'
issue becomes more plausible.
In article <[email protected]>,
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>
>> You have stuff shipped _TO_ you in Canada, and that qualifies you as an
>> expert on what a U.S. based sender has to go through in sending you that
>> stuff. I don't think so.
>
>First of all, I am out of the loop since the mid-eighties when it comes
>to shipping from and to the USA. Prior to that, however, I shipped lots
>of stuff (mostly loudspeaker parts from the US to Canada and finished
>product back to the US.) back and forth. Exported HDF to the US, had
>veneers laid up and then shipped back to me where I turned the lifts of
>sheet goods to completed loudspeakers. I had an employee who spent half
>her time doing duty-drawbacks and such. (Yes.. it did start as a hobby
>business..) So back then, I pretty much knew what I was doing.
>My partner in Rochester and I, spent many hours trying to find ways that
>we would pay duty and taxes on stuff twice, if not three times.
>
>The paperwork was unbefrickinbelievable. Add to that mailing warranty
>parts back and forth, repairs, shipping damage claims and such that many
>times I wanted to throw in the towel, which I eventually did.... it just
>wasn't worth it.
>
>But a book?
There's a whole bunch of sh*t in the mail regs _expressly_ regarding
books going cross-border. I know 'more about that than I care to',
because the stuff i was mailing came under a related classfication.
Note: books _are_ dutiable going into canada.
>
>I'm bolting on to your hunch, Robert, that it likely *is* a distribution
>issue
>>
>> Betcha you don't know about the customs declaration that the U.S. sender
>> of 'commercial' mail has to fill out. And that the mail _comes_back_
>> if the USPS has printed a new form, and you're still using up your
>> stock of old ones. DAMHIKT applies
>
>You are correct. 5 Oz??
W/o checking, it was in that immediate range. We were mailing about 8 oz,
an it was well over the limit.
This was a part of the post 9/11 silliness that hasn't gone away. (well,
it did, "sort of", for purely domestic mail that is metered.
>> Betcha you don't know that for over something like 5 ounces, you have
>> to _hand_ it to a U.S.P.S. employee, That means you take it _to_ the
>> Post Office -- you can't just drop it in the convenient mailbox, like
>> a domestic letter.
Charlie Self wrote:
> My Woodworker's Pocket Reference Book has won an award for Best Do It
> Yourself title of 2005.
>
> For those interested, take a look at my auction for a slight price
> break:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4644711919&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
>
Any specific reason why you won't ship outside the US?
--
_____________Slainte!____________
C D Patterson Langford, BC. Canada
"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> It is also possible that 'somebody else' has "exclusive distribution
> rights" in Canada -- granted to them by the _publisher_ of the book.
>
> In which case, he _cannot_ sell to people there, without violating the
> agreement _he_ has with that self-same publisher.
>
> If he'll take 'overseas' orders, but not Canada, this latter is almost
> assuredly the 'true explanation'.
>
> If he won't take _any_ 'international' orders, then it being a 'hassle'
> issue becomes more plausible.
Sure, all those things are entirely possible. What I was trying to get
across was that "shipping to US only" is not what many would consider an
adequate explanation considering the world wide membership list in this
group. Especially so, considering that he mentioned the award the book
received to everybody in this newsgroup. To all who are not in the US he's
said, "Hey, look at the great book I wrote, but you can't get one." That
maybe a little harsh considering most know Charlie is a good guy, but it
still leaves the door open for comment.
"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> If you're doing a _lot_ of 'foreign' mailing, the additional overhead
> is _not_ excessive -- a lot of it is 'fixed', that you can spread over
> a bunch of pieces handled at the same time.
But, that's what it would likely be, a bunch of orders to the same country
all done at once. Even with the proviso that 'orders to Canada will be
shipped out in lots of 10 or more) or something to that effect would be
sufficient to take care of the 'single order' hassle. If it turns out after
a few weeks that a bulk order of 10 isn't going to be met, then what has
been ordered so far is sent out and 'then' the refusal to handle anymore
orders to Canada or wherever.
To start off the selling of a product by saying outright 'no orders to
Canada' is tantamount to an insult when there isn't a least an initial
effort to satisfy that market. IMHO.
Sun, May 28, 2006, 11:15am (EDT-3) [email protected] (Charlie=A0Self)
doth modestly mmble:
My Woodworker's Pocket Reference Book has won an award for Best Do It
Yourself title of 2005. <snip>
Attaboy Charlie.
JOAT
Never confuse "Oh, I can't do this!" with "Oh, I've never done this!".
- JOAT
Amazon has it listed (at reduced price) and they will ship overseas for
resonable cost.
"C D Patterson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>> My Woodworker's Pocket Reference Book has won an award for Best Do It
>> Yourself title of 2005.
>>
>> For those interested, take a look at my auction for a slight price
>> break:
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4644711919&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
>>
>
> Any specific reason why you won't ship outside the US?
>
> --
> _____________Slainte!____________
> C D Patterson Langford, BC. Canada
Speculation on your part put forth as fact. Just what I would expect from
Robert the Great. A softwre company that I have been dealing with for years
was constantly getting complaints from customers for just the type of thing
you are talking about, until they switched from private carrier to USPS. No
more problems.
"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> On 'personal' mailings to Canada, you -can-, "sometimes", get away with
> 'not doing it the right/required way' for 'things of value'. On the
> other hand, it _may_ also get tagged for border inspection, and delayed
> for a month or more, and with the recipient then having to pay a small
> fortune in 'ransom' to get it released to him.
>
> I was sending mail for a business, to customers who were paying for
> that material to arrive in a _timely_ manner. I *had* to 'do it right',
> or the customers became 'former customers'. Doing the necessary
> paperwork _in_advance_ so that the mail does not get delayed/"held for
> inspection" can be a bit of a fine art -- we had to be very careful
> how we described what we were sending; one 'obvious' description made
> the mail content dutiable, a somewhat different way of describing the
> same material made it duty-exempt. With the 'exempt' description, it
> went 'through the border' overnight.
>
> Canada's rules on such are fairly simple, straightforward, easy to
> _find_, and easy to *follow*, compared to a lot of the rest of the
> world. And, if you only ship to those places 'occasionally', the
> time and effort for a business to run that info down, figure out how
> it applies to what they're doing, and _apply_ it to that single
> pieces shipment, *IS* a "pain in the butt", of no small proportions.
>
> "Letter correspondence" is one thing -- there are very few hassles with
> regard to that kind of mail. But even a 'newsletter', for example, is
> frequently considered to be 'a horse of a different color', and entirely
> different rules come into play. Books, are also 'a different color'. :)
>
>
Charlie Self wrote:
> My Woodworker's Pocket Reference Book has won an award for Best Do It
> Yourself title of 2005.
>
> For those interested, take a look at my auction for a slight price
> break:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4644711919&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
>
Charlie,
Congratulations on the award.
My daughter gave me an autographed copy of your book for Father's Day
last year. A great gift! I have indeed found it useful.
Thank you, for the help you provide to all!
Neil
In article <[email protected]>,
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote:
> My Woodworker's Pocket Reference Book has won an award for Best Do It
> Yourself title of 2005.
Well deserved, congratulations.
I know how much work goes into a book...even a technical manual.
r
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> Not speaking for Charlie, but mailing to Canada is a fair-size hassle.
> mailing to elsewhere in the world is a major pain in the butt. I could
> easily understand that Charlie might choose not to take on those hassles.
Poppycock, balderdash!
NO hassles shipping ANYTHING from the USA to Canada... I do it all the
time.
Especially a book.... I buy DVD's and book from Amazon . COM all the
time.
But this does remind me of a joke I heard years ago:
Moshe: " Sammy!! I hear you had a fire in your store!!"
Sammy: "Shhhhh that's NEXT week, Moshe...."
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> You have stuff shipped _TO_ you in Canada, and that qualifies you as an
> expert on what a U.S. based sender has to go through in sending you that
> stuff. I don't think so.
First of all, I am out of the loop since the mid-eighties when it comes
to shipping from and to the USA. Prior to that, however, I shipped lots
of stuff (mostly loudspeaker parts from the US to Canada and finished
product back to the US.) back and forth. Exported HDF to the US, had
veneers laid up and then shipped back to me where I turned the lifts of
sheet goods to completed loudspeakers. I had an employee who spent half
her time doing duty-drawbacks and such. (Yes.. it did start as a hobby
business..) So back then, I pretty much knew what I was doing.
My partner in Rochester and I, spent many hours trying to find ways that
we would pay duty and taxes on stuff twice, if not three times.
The paperwork was unbefrickinbelievable. Add to that mailing warranty
parts back and forth, repairs, shipping damage claims and such that many
times I wanted to throw in the towel, which I eventually did.... it just
wasn't worth it.
But a book?
I'm bolting on to your hunch, Robert, that it likely *is* a distribution
issue
>
> Betcha you don't know about the customs declaration that the U.S. sender
> of 'commercial' mail has to fill out. And that the mail _comes_back_
> if the USPS has printed a new form, and you're still using up your
> stock of old ones. DAMHIKT applies
You are correct. 5 Oz??
>
> Betcha you don't know that for over something like 5 ounces, you have
> to _hand_ it to a U.S.P.S. employee, That means you take it _to_ the
> Post Office -- you can't just drop it in the convenient mailbox, like
> a domestic letter.
Upscale wrote:
> "Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> It is also possible that 'somebody else' has "exclusive distribution
>> rights" in Canada -- granted to them by the _publisher_ of the book.
>>
>> In which case, he _cannot_ sell to people there, without violating the
>> agreement _he_ has with that self-same publisher.
>>
>> If he'll take 'overseas' orders, but not Canada, this latter is almost
>> assuredly the 'true explanation'.
>>
>> If he won't take _any_ 'international' orders, then it being a 'hassle'
>> issue becomes more plausible.
>
> Sure, all those things are entirely possible. What I was trying to get
> across was that "shipping to US only" is not what many would consider an
> adequate explanation considering the world wide membership list in this
> group. Especially so, considering that he mentioned the award the book
> received to everybody in this newsgroup. To all who are not in the US he's
> said, "Hey, look at the great book I wrote, but you can't get one." That
> maybe a little harsh considering most know Charlie is a good guy, but it
> still leaves the door open for comment.
Check Amazon.com.. they ship anywhere..
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Glad you didn't say that a while ago. I recently mailed a radio to Canada
and software to England. Each was as easy as across the US. If I had known
then what a hassle it was, I wouldn't have done it.
"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Not speaking for Charlie, but mailing to Canada is a fair-size hassle.
> mailing to elsewhere in the world is a major pain in the butt. I could
> easily understand that Charlie might choose not to take on those hassles.
>