Do you dare make a butcher block countertop out of edge grain 3/4 or 1" wide boards? It looks like 2 x material is more common?
Sure would be easier to work with the 1" and easier to come up with material.
Also -- in order of preference which woods are best?
maple, oak, walnut, cherry
Of course red oak is very easy to come by but is it the perhaps the least preferred?
In article <[email protected]>, dadiOH <[email protected]>
wrote:
> the ones I'm familiar with
> are a soft wood. Disposable, wrapped in paper like a straw.
Poplar and aspen aren't uncommon.
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On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:40:15 -0800 (PST), ed_h <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Looky dem geeky books, too!
>>
>
>Yeah, I guess I'm busted on the books,
My many bookshelves are lined with geeky books, too, so don't take
that badly.
>but did you notice there are
>actually some woodworking books in there, too?
Dinna see a one. I'm a bookish sort and went so far as to magnify the
pics to look for titles, but most were blurred from the angle.
P.S: Leave those doors and credenza to me in your will, will ya?
--
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we receive in life, work and love. The other 99 percent is due to
our efforts.
-- Peter McWilliams
>
> Until you do, your assertion is nothing but _opinion_, and you've
> already backtracked on that.
>
1. Can you please cite exactly where on the Boos website it says "
"all John Boos products are approved by the FDA and the National
Sanitation
Foundation." I can't find it.
2. Here is a link to the NFS website with a part number list of the
certified Boos products. Can you show me one wood cutting surface
product that is NOT hard Maple?
http://www.nsf.org/Certified/Food/Listings.asp?TradeName=&CompanyName=boos&PlantState=&PlantCountry=&PlantRegion=&Standard=&search=SEARCH
Pathetic troll technique, Chris!
http://www.uffnet.com/kookkamp/phlatdale.htm
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Face it. Your cut and dried (but factually incorrect) statement above
limits anything you might offer in this argument. *Whatever* else you
have to say you're always going to have to face down that mistake.
This time you don't win. Man up and acknowledge your error to Swingman
and then let it go.
(Either that or inject some humour into the discussion so Swingman can
get a laugh out of it. He doesn't seem to laugh too much these days.)
On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:00:02 -0800 (PST), "SonomaProducts.com"
> Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
> commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
Face it. Your cut and dried (but factually incorrect) statement above
limits anything you might offer in this argument. *Whatever* else you
have to say you're always going to have to face down that mistake.
This time you don't win. Man up and acknowledge your error to Swingman
and then let it go.
(Either that or inject some humour into the discussion so Swingman can
get a laugh out of it. He doesn't seem to laugh too much these days.)
On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 22:20:44 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 12/6/2011 10:11 PM, ed_h wrote:
>> At the top of this page is a true free-standing "butcher's block" 10+
>> inches thick of end grain rock maple. About halfway down the page is
>> a an L-shaped counter top, about 12 lineal feet of 3+ thick end grain
>> maple blocks (over 700 of them!). The pictures are clickable for a
>> better view.
>>
>> http://bullfire.net/Furniture/Furniture.html
>
>Beautiful work ... particularly like the curved vanity. Extremely well done.
I really like the mahogany credenza and the sunray style doors both on
it and the room. Gorgeous! That's a subtle but beautiful adornment.
http://bullfire.net/Furniture/SDC10046a.JPG
http://bullfire.net/Furniture/SDC10049a.JPG
Looky dem geeky books, too!
--
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we receive in life, work and love. The other 99 percent is due to
our efforts.
-- Peter McWilliams
On 12/8/2011 10:17 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 12/8/11 8:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
>> finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
>>
>
> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was bragging
> about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese restaurants in an
> effort to "save trees."
>
> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo," but
> that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities talk...
> about anything.
>
>
Celebrities are only for you entertainment, never for advice.
On Dec 6, 7:39=A0am, mkr5000 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Do you dare make a butcher block countertop out of edge grain 3/4 or 1" w=
ide boards? It looks like 2 x material is more common?
>
> Sure would be easier to work with the 1" and easier to come up with mater=
ial.
>
> Also -- in order of preference which woods are best?
>
> maple, oak, walnut, cherry
>
> Of course red oak is very easy to come by but is it the perhaps the least=
preferred?
Do you really mean end grain? Doing a whole counter top wiuld be a lot
of work.
If you mean edge grain I have done many with 3/4, 1, 2, etc. All good.
Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
commercial usage so maybe that tells you something. People say that
walnut and cheery are ok, I suppose so but don't do that myself. Red
Oak (the common stuff you see everywhere) is a big no. Way to porous
if you are considering any food prep at all. White Oak might be OK but
it is an open grain wood and generally also not good for food.
On Dec 6, 4:08=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/6/2011 1:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>
> > Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
> > commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
>
> </US Public Health Service Food Code:>
>
>
> The most respected manufacturer of high end butcher blocks and cutting
> blocks for both retail and commercial in the country, John Boos:
>
> http://johnboos.com/categories_for?cat_id=3D10385
>
Nice try but you are wrong.
1. The code is fine as you stated but you can't put items in a
commercial kitchen that don't have an NSF approval on record. If you
look closely at the Boos page you referenced they show an NSF symbol
by only a few of the hard maple boards. This isn't a mistake. This is
careful publication of legal data.
2. The dealer site that is selling a walnut butcher block as NSF
approved is simply wrong.
I was nominally in the business at one point and I did my research.
It may be that since I did my research that Boos or someone else has
sought and recieved NFS approval for some Walnut or Cheery product. I
can tell you it is tens of thousands of dollars to get through the
very arbitrary and undefined process so only big dogs like Boos have
ever done it. It is done on a manufacture and product by product basis.
On Dec 7, 2:26=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/7/2011 3:07 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >> =A0 > =A0Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA=
for
> >> =A0 > =A0commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
>
> >> Once again, read 4-101.19:
>
> >>http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/RetailFoodProtection/FoodCode/Food..=
.
>
> --www.eWoodShop.com
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
No one will put any wood product into a commercial kitchen unless it
is certified as legal. I established that no non-Maple product is
certified. I win.
On 12/06/2011 09:11 PM, ed_h wrote:
> At the top of this page is a true free-standing "butcher's block" 10+
> inches thick of end grain rock maple. About halfway down the page is
> a an L-shaped counter top, about 12 lineal feet of 3+ thick end grain
> maple blocks (over 700 of them!). The pictures are clickable for a
> better view.
>
> http://bullfire.net/Furniture/Furniture.html
>
>
>
That there is some REALLY purty stuff!
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blame somebody else." -John Burroughs
"ed_h" wrote:
> At the top of this page is a true free-standing "butcher's block"
> 10+
> inches thick of end grain rock maple. About halfway down the page
> is
> a an L-shaped counter top, about 12 lineal feet of 3+ thick end
> grain
> maple blocks (over 700 of them!). The pictures are clickable for a
> better view.
>
> http://bullfire.net/Furniture/Furniture.html
------------------------------------
Neat.
Are those Cutco knives?
Lew
On 12/8/2011 5:29 PM, m II wrote:
>
> No self-respecting oriental person would use porcelain or plastic. They
> don't work.
>
> -----------------
> "-MIKE-" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>> How about poplar chopsticks?
>>
>
> The only disposable ones I've even seen are bamboo.
Now, about those chopsticks . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3b5RYZjGa0
>
> Can I ask about the granite inlay? =A0Thickness? Is it in a recess within=
the
> mahogany? =A0Tight to the mahogany or with grout?
>
> I ask because I'm going to be making a pair of sofa tables in an "L", eac=
h
> table about ten feet long. =A0Plan to use mahogany with inset black grani=
te
> and I'm trying to decide whether to inset the granite in recesses routed
> into the mahogany or to use a ply base as the granite support with mahoga=
ny
> pieces butted to the granite...sort of like a horizontal face frame.
> Thoughts?
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
The granite was in the form of two 12 x 12 "tiles" about 1/2" thick.
Don't know what it's called, but it has large blue flecks in it. The
credenza top was made like a face frame with two square openings that
hold the granite pieces, with a routed lip to support them. They are
removable, with a very small gap between wood and granite. No grout.
I think either of your approaches would work. Might depend on the
thickness of the granite you get.
On Dec 8, 7:24=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/8/2011 8:52 PM, JayPique wrote:
>
> > Godwin is calling...
>
> Reductio ad Hitlerum ...
>
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> Last update: 4/15/2010
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These references allude me
On Dec 6, 3:25=A0pm, mkr5000 <[email protected]> wrote:
> well the long end of the board (the 2 on a 2x4) -- not the "tips".
>
> maple it is -- unless these williamsburg premade tops at lumber liquidato=
rs are more worthwhile.
I've made several end grain countertops - they're amazing. The key is
to have well dried wood - consistently dried - otherwise you risk
splitting. It's just a huge cutting board, really. I've done walnut,
cherry, maple and hickory - and one of Douglas Fir even. If you
really want end grain - go for it!
JP
BULLSHIT!
No self-respecting oriental person would use porcelain or plastic. They
don't work.
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"-MIKE-" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On 12/8/11 6:03 PM, Dan Coby wrote:
> On 12/8/2011 8:17 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was
>> bragging
>> about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese restaurants in an
>> effort to "save trees."
>>
>> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
>> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo,"
>> but
>> that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities
>> talk...
>> about anything.
>
> How about poplar chopsticks?
>
> http://www.11alive.com/news/article/194380/40/Chinese-chopsticks----Made-In-Georgia
>
The only disposable ones I've even seen are bamboo. Of course, like I
said in my post, I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese restaurants
she's eating at. Even the cheaper ones we eat at have bamboo and the
nicer ones bring out ceramic.
I would expect a celebrity would be eating at some pretty upscale
places.
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On 12/6/2011 7:21 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:08:03 -0600, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 12/6/2011 1:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>
>>> Red
>>> Oak (the common stuff you see everywhere) is a big no. Way to porous
>>> if you are considering any food prep at all. White Oak might be OK but
>>> it is an open grain wood and generally also not good for food.
>>
>> Scroll down to the bottom ... Boos has been using Appalachian Red Oak in
>> cutting boards and butcher blocks for over a hundred years
>>
>> http://www.butcherblockspecialist.com/butcher-block-tables.html
>
> What do they use to fill the large pores? Oak sure wouldn't be a
> choice of wood I'd make for a chopping block.
Nonetheless, read the subject line ... "countertop" being the operative
word.
Then again, why not?
"John Boos is a recipient of the Gold Medal for Excellence in food
service equipment, and all John Boos products are approved by the FDA
and the National Sanitation Foundation."
I've used their products in kitchens ... but don't believe me, ask the
restaurants and chef's who use their products, these guys are top of the
line ... so who do you think one should believe, the premier butcher
block, cutting board manufacturer in the world, or the _opinions_ of
some folks on the wRec who mistake their ill founded opinions for fact?
<not directed at you C-less>
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>
> You win? The prize for lack of reading comprehension perhaps:
>
> <quote> 4-101.19 =A0Wood, Use Limitation.
>
> (B) Hard maple _or an equivalently hard, close-grained wood_ may be
> used
> for:
>
> =A0 (1) Cutting boards; cutting blocks; bakers' tables; and utensils such
> as rolling pins, doughnut dowels, salad bowls, and chopsticks; and
>
> </quote>
>
> From the above direct quote it appears the first place Booby Prize
> indeed should be awarded for your childish insistence that "I win".
WRONG.
You are citing a federal code. I don't dispuet that is what the code
says. From that code, local laws and statutes are generated. The
accepted practice across this nation is to require NFS certification.
You are not addressing my direct questions.
1. Where was the cite located freom the Boos site that says "all
products"
2. Where is one non-maple product listed on the NFS site of certified
Boos cutting boards or any other mfg
You are introducing red herrings. What does chop sticks have to do
with our discussion. I have made no comment regarding serving where. I
made comments specifically about cutting boards and work surfaces in
commercial kitchens. If I expanded beyond that, that was my error. If
we are talking about outside the USA I have no knowledge of that. My
comments are in regard to commercial kitchens in the USA.
If you cannot answer my questions or otherwise prove me wrong then in
fact I do win.
FYI I interjected the "I win" note as an effort to ensure we were
keeping a lighthearted tone, even though I am completly serious in
this debate.
So, can you annswer my questions?
>
> Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
> finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
>
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> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On 12/8/2011 6:03 PM, Dan Coby wrote:
> On 12/8/2011 8:17 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was bragging
>> about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese restaurants in an
>> effort to "save trees."
>>
>> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
>> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo," but
>> that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities talk...
>> about anything.
>
> How about poplar chopsticks?
>
> http://www.11alive.com/news/article/194380/40/Chinese-chopsticks----Made-In-Georgia
All roads lead to Beijing ...
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My "Asian" friends don't use chopsticks ever. My "Oriental" friends
don't drink Vodka.
What friggin' planet do you live on?
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Firstly... passive aggressive, much?
Secondly... Oriental? Really? What decade do you live in?
Thirdly, when I have dinner with my Malaysian friends, this weekend,
I'll ask them how they could ever respect themselves using their
porcelain chopsticks.
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Hilarious watching a pighead posting into the thin air.
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On 12/7/2011 10:05 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> On Dec 7, 2:26 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 12/7/2011 3:07 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> > Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the
>>>> USA for
>>>> > commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
>>
>>>> Once again, read 4-101.19:
>>
>>>> http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/RetailFoodProtection/FoodCode/Food...
>>
>> --www.eWoodShop.com
>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>
> No one will put any wood product into a commercial kitchen unless it
> is certified as legal. I established that no non-Maple product is
> certified. I win.
You win? The prize for lack of reading comprehension perhaps:
<quote> 4-101.19 Wood, Use Limitation.
(B) Hard maple _or an equivalently hard, close-grained wood_ may be
used
for:
(1) Cutting boards; cutting blocks; bakers' tables; and utensils such
as rolling pins, doughnut dowels, salad bowls, and chopsticks; and
</quote>
From the above direct quote it appears the first place Booby Prize
indeed should be awarded for your childish insistence that "I win".
Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
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On 12/9/2011 6:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 12/8/2011 1:40 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 12/8/11 8:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>> Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
>>>>> finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was
>>>> bragging about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese
>>>> restaurants in an effort to "save trees."
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
>>>> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo,"
>>>> but that is one of many examples why I never like to hear
>>>> celebrities talk... about anything.
>>>
>>> I've eaten at hundreds of Chinese restaurants, many *IN* China and
>>> I've never seen a bamboo chopstick. Plastic - even ivory - yes;
>>> bamboo no.
>>
>>
>> What are the odds?
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=bamboo+shop+sticks&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=qjDhTv-OGMPosQLs09HTBg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CE0Q_AUoAQ&biw=1333&bih=679#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=rDDhTo-SJ5TgsQK6h6mtBw&ved=0CEUQvwUoAQ&q=bamboo+chopsticks&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=72e7e75cede63b96&biw=1333&bih=679
>
> Oh, I don't doubt that they exist, just never seen any in a restaurant.
>
Come to Houston and eat at a Chinese restaurant and you will be able to
say that you have seen a bamboo chopstick in a restaurant. ;~)
On 12/8/2011 7:00 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> You are not addressing my direct questions.
>
> 1. Where was the cite located freom the Boos site that says "all
> products"
> 2. Where is one non-maple product listed on the NFS site of certified
> Boos cutting boards or any other mfg
>
> You are introducing red herrings.
Both "red herrings" on your part to dodge why you were incorrect in
unequivocally stating:
On 12/6/2011 1:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
> commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
> If
> we are talking about outside the USA I have no knowledge of that. My
> comments are in regard to commercial kitchens in the USA.
And still incorrect.
>
> If you cannot answer my questions or otherwise prove me wrong then in
> fact I do win.
The prize is all yours ... that has already been settled.
> FYI I interjected the "I win" note as an effort to ensure we were
> keeping a lighthearted tone, even though I am completly serious in
> this debate.
Seriously, why does the phrase "get a life" come to mind?
> So, can you annswer my questions?
Your original incorrect statement, and the quote from the applicable
regulation proving it incorrect, are all the "answers" necessary.
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On 12/6/2011 1:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
> commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
??
<US Public Health Service Food Code:>
4-101.19
(B) Hard maple or an equivalently hard, close-grained wood may be used for:
(1) Cutting boards; cutting blocks; bakers' tables; and UTENSILS such as
rolling pins, doughnut dowels, salad bowls, and chopsticks; and
(2) Wooden paddles used in confectionery operations for pressure
scraping kettles when manually preparing confections at a temperature of
110°C (230°F) or above.
</US Public Health Service Food Code:>
People say that
> walnut and cheery are ok, I suppose so but don't do that myself.
The most respected manufacturer of high end butcher blocks and cutting
blocks for both retail and commercial in the country, John Boos:
http://johnboos.com/categories_for?cat_id=10385
Here's one of their walnut end grain butcher blocks approved by the
National Sanitation Foundation.
http://www.butcherblockco.com/jo-walbbit3-38-walnut-end-grain.html
> Red
> Oak (the common stuff you see everywhere) is a big no. Way to porous
> if you are considering any food prep at all. White Oak might be OK but
> it is an open grain wood and generally also not good for food.
Scroll down to the bottom ... Boos has been using Appalachian Red Oak in
cutting boards and butcher blocks for over a hundred years
http://www.butcherblockspecialist.com/butcher-block-tables.html
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On 12/8/2011 1:40 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 12/8/11 8:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
>>> finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
>>>
>>
>> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was
>> bragging about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese
>> restaurants in an effort to "save trees."
>>
>> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
>> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo,"
>> but that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities
>> talk... about anything.
>
> I've eaten at hundreds of Chinese restaurants, many *IN* China and I've
> never seen a bamboo chopstick. Plastic - even ivory - yes; bamboo no.
What are the odds?
https://www.google.com/search?q=bamboo+shop+sticks&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=qjDhTv-OGMPosQLs09HTBg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CE0Q_AUoAQ&biw=1333&bih=679#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=rDDhTo-SJ5TgsQK6h6mtBw&ved=0CEUQvwUoAQ&q=bamboo+chopsticks&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=72e7e75cede63b96&biw=1333&bih=679
On 12/7/2011 9:28 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>
>> Until you do, your assertion is nothing but _opinion_, and you've
>> already backtracked on that.
>>
>
> 1. Can you please cite exactly where on the Boos website it says "
> "all John Boos products are approved by the FDA and the National
> Sanitation
> Foundation." I can't find it.
>
> 2. Here is a link to the NFS website with a part number list of the
> certified Boos products. Can you show me one wood cutting surface
> product that is NOT hard Maple?
> http://www.nsf.org/Certified/Food/Listings.asp?TradeName=&CompanyName=boos&PlantState=&PlantCountry=&PlantRegion=&Standard=&search=SEARCH
Rabbit trails ... you keep side stepping what you said:
> Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
> commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
Once again, read 4-101.19:
http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/RetailFoodProtection/FoodCode/FoodCode1997/ucm054402.htm#4-1
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:42:55 -0500, "m II" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Pathetic troll technique, Chris!
>
>http://www.uffnet.com/kookkamp/phlatdale.htm
>-----------
Do *you* even understand what you babble about?
On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:06:32 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>On 12/8/11 6:29 PM, m II wrote:
>> No self-respecting oriental person would use porcelain or plastic. They
>> don't work.
>Thirdly, when I have dinner with my Malaysian friends, this weekend,
>I'll ask them how they could ever respect themselves using their
>porcelain chopsticks.
Well, Malaysian friends don't count. Not a chance that m II would
consider them to have any ties even remotely to other Asians.
On 12/6/2011 9:07 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> Too much work, excess cost, etc. I have two little plastic cutting
> boards which work well for me. After use, I spray them with 5%
> bleachwater after scrubbing with hot soapy water and rinsing.
> ...whose main concern is sales (not safety) right? Hospitals work to
> avoid germs, too, but where do most people get maimed and/or die from
> stray bacteria? All together now "IN HOSPITALS!"
C-less, we really need to get you into the 21st century, you obviously
missed out on this:
http://faculty.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/faculty/docliver/Research/cuttingboard.htm
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On 12/8/2011 8:17 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was bragging
> about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese restaurants in an
> effort to "save trees."
>
> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo," but
> that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities talk...
> about anything.
How about poplar chopsticks?
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/194380/40/Chinese-chopsticks----Made-In-Georgia
Dan
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news:[email protected]...
If you will continue to avoid answering any of my clear questions and
only offer earlier information proven to be irrelevant I can only
leave my case before the court.
Hopefully there will be some more intersting wood topics to learn from
rather than this diversion, but it has served it's purpose to withold
the boredom a bit.
On Dec 6, 12:25=A0pm, mkr5000 <[email protected]> wrote:
> well the long end of the board (the 2 on a 2x4) -- not the "tips".
>
> maple it is -- unless these williamsburg premade tops at lumber liquidato=
rs are more worthwhile.
This would be called edge grain. There is edge, face and end grain. A
2x4 has a 2" wide edge a 4" wide face and a 2x4" end grain.
Keeping everything flat can be challenging. I glue up sections about
9" wide each. I flatten them (I usea awide sander, you can use a belt
sander maybe). Then I join the several 9" wide slabs into the final
width. You can see 3 different examples of this method on this page
http://www.sonomaproducts.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Dsection=
&id=3D3&Itemid=3D13
>
> =A0> Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
> =A0> commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
>
> Once again, read 4-101.19:
>
> http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/RetailFoodProtection/FoodCode/Food...
>
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> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
OK now you are using circular references.
1. Where on the Boos site does it say ALL Boos products are certified
or did you make that up? You never answered that question. You had it
in quotes with an elipses lead in, making it seem it is part of some
larger statement. Where is it?
2. From Boos website on About John Boos page.
"As the Food Service industry in the USA follows strict guidelines and
regulations, JB&C metal and wood products can be found listed with the
National Sanitation Foundation (NSF), the leader in sanitation
agencies for approving equipment to be installed in foodservice and
supermarket operations. The products must bear the NSF seal of
approval to be accepted by the industry."
3. Show me one non-Maple wood product that bears the seal.
4. I pointed to the NFS site that lists the Boos products that are
certified. You cannot show me one that is not Maple.
5. Look for any other manufacture using the sites search engine for
such searches. No other wood block mfg shaows any product but Maple.
6. Yes one FDA regulation says hardwoods should be OK. So I agree
Walnut or others "could " be certified, However, NFS certification is
the standard (which you also mentioned by the way) that is used to
determine if a product is in compliance with all the various
regulations from FDA and others. I cannot find any NFS certified
product that is anything but Maple. Show me one and then I am wrong,
which is entirely possible but clearly not proven.
On 12/9/2011 9:23 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/8/2011 10:08 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> On Dec 8, 7:24 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 12/8/2011 8:52 PM, JayPique wrote:
>>>
>>>> Godwin is calling...
>>>
>>> Reductio ad Hitlerum ...
>
>> These references allude me
>
> As well as the error of your ways. :)
>
> Godwin's Law states that all arguments on the internet, should they go
> on long enough, end up with one party calling the other a Nazi ... or
> something to that effect.
>
>
Jeez! I would hate to think of what all you would have to endure to get
to being called a Nazi!. ;~)
At the top of this page is a true free-standing "butcher's block" 10+
inches thick of end grain rock maple. About halfway down the page is
a an L-shaped counter top, about 12 lineal feet of 3+ thick end grain
maple blocks (over 700 of them!). The pictures are clickable for a
better view.
http://bullfire.net/Furniture/Furniture.html
On Dec 8, 11:17=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/8/11 8:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
> > Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
> > finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
>
> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was bragging
> about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese restaurants in an
> effort to "save trees."
>
> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo," but
> that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities talk...
> about anything.
>
I will bring my own chopsticks, Titanium of course.
On Dec 8, 5:40=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/8/2011 7:00 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>
> > You are not addressing my direct questions.
>
> > 1. Where was the cite located freom the Boos site that says "all
> > products"
> > 2. Where is one non-maple product listed on the NFS site of certified
> > Boos cutting boards or any other mfg
>
> > You are introducing red herrings.
>
> Both "red herrings" on your part to dodge why you were incorrect in
> unequivocally stating:
>
> On 12/6/2011 1:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>
> =A0> Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
> =A0> commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
>
> > If
> > we are talking about outside the USA I have no knowledge of that. My
> > comments are in regard to commercial kitchens in the USA.
>
> And still incorrect.
>
>
>
> > If you cannot answer my questions or otherwise prove me wrong then in
> > fact I do win.
>
> The prize is all yours ... that has already been settled.
>
> > FYI I interjected the "I win" note as an effort to ensure we were
> > keeping a lighthearted tone, even though I am completly serious in
> > this debate.
>
> Seriously, why does the phrase "get a life" come to mind?
>
> > So, can you annswer my questions?
>
> Your original incorrect statement, and the quote from the applicable
> regulation proving it incorrect, are all the "answers" necessary.
>
> --www.eWoodShop.com
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
If you will continue to avoid answering any of my clear questions and
only offer earlier information proven to be irrelevant I can only
leave my case before the court.
Hopefully there will be some more intersting wood topics to learn from
rather than this diversion, but it has served it's purpose to withold
the boredom a bit.
On Dec 8, 8:40=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/8/2011 7:00 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>
> > You are not addressing my direct questions.
>
> > 1. Where was the cite located freom the Boos site that says "all
> > products"
> > 2. Where is one non-maple product listed on the NFS site of certified
> > Boos cutting boards or any other mfg
>
> > You are introducing red herrings.
>
> Both "red herrings" on your part to dodge why you were incorrect in
> unequivocally stating:
>
> On 12/6/2011 1:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>
> =A0> Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
> =A0> commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
>
> > If
> > we are talking about outside the USA I have no knowledge of that. My
> > comments are in regard to commercial kitchens in the USA.
>
> And still incorrect.
>
>
>
> > If you cannot answer my questions or otherwise prove me wrong then in
> > fact I do win.
>
> The prize is all yours ... that has already been settled.
>
> > FYI I interjected the "I win" note as an effort to ensure we were
> > keeping a lighthearted tone, even though I am completly serious in
> > this debate.
>
> Seriously, why does the phrase "get a life" come to mind?
>
> > So, can you annswer my questions?
>
> Your original incorrect statement, and the quote from the applicable
> regulation proving it incorrect, are all the "answers" necessary.
>
> --www.eWoodShop.com
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
Godwin is calling...
ed_h wrote:
>> Looky dem geeky books, too!
>>
>
> Yeah, I guess I'm busted on the books, but did you notice there are
> actually some woodworking books in there, too?
Can I ask about the granite inlay? Thickness? Is it in a recess within the
mahogany? Tight to the mahogany or with grout?
I ask because I'm going to be making a pair of sofa tables in an "L", each
table about ten feet long. Plan to use mahogany with inset black granite
and I'm trying to decide whether to inset the granite in recesses routed
into the mahogany or to use a ply base as the granite support with mahogany
pieces butted to the granite...sort of like a horizontal face frame.
Thoughts?
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Larry Jaques wrote:
> Black granite? <yawn> Who made those lovely side tables with the
> green granite inlay a couple years ago? It was the most beautiful
> example of Uba Tuba green granite I'd ever seen.
>
> Look at seaweed green http://goo.gl/ty5HV
> or
> Montana green http://goo.gl/Bxby9
> or
> Uba Tuba http://goo.gl/S3Zs7 not a good example.
>
> They're all very dark but so much more -alive- than black...
Thank you but I don't want green.
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On 12/7/2011 7:37 AM, ed_h wrote:
>>
>> Can I ask about the granite inlay? Thickness? Is it in a recess within the
>> mahogany? Tight to the mahogany or with grout?
>>
>> I ask because I'm going to be making a pair of sofa tables in an "L", each
>> table about ten feet long. Plan to use mahogany with inset black granite
>> and I'm trying to decide whether to inset the granite in recesses routed
>> into the mahogany or to use a ply base as the granite support with mahogany
>> pieces butted to the granite...sort of like a horizontal face frame.
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>>
>> dadiOH
>
> The granite was in the form of two 12 x 12 "tiles" about 1/2" thick.
> Don't know what it's called, but it has large blue flecks in it.
blue pearl
<http://images.google.com/search?q=Blue%20Pearl%20Granite&biw=1043&bih=719&sei=9NTfTsvRBoL50gHz1tikBw&tbm=isch>
ed_h wrote:
>> Can I ask about the granite inlay? Thickness? Is it in a recess
>> within the mahogany? Tight to the mahogany or with grout?
>>
>> I ask because I'm going to be making a pair of sofa tables in an
>> "L", each table about ten feet long. Plan to use mahogany with inset
>> black granite and I'm trying to decide whether to inset the granite
>> in recesses routed into the mahogany or to use a ply base as the
>> granite support with mahogany pieces butted to the granite...sort of
>> like a horizontal face frame. Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>>
>> dadiOH
>
> The granite was in the form of two 12 x 12 "tiles" about 1/2" thick.
> Don't know what it's called, but it has large blue flecks in it. The
> credenza top was made like a face frame with two square openings that
> hold the granite pieces, with a routed lip to support them. They are
> removable, with a very small gap between wood and granite. No grout.
>
> I think either of your approaches would work. Might depend on the
> thickness of the granite you get.
Thanks much for the reply
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On 12/8/11 8:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
> finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
>
I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was bragging
about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese restaurants in an
effort to "save trees."
I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo," but
that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities talk...
about anything.
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On 12/8/11 11:53 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 12/8/2011 10:17 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 12/8/11 8:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
>>> finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
>>>
>>
>> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was bragging
>> about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese restaurants in an
>> effort to "save trees."
>>
>> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
>> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo," but
>> that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities talk...
>> about anything.
>>
>>
>
> Celebrities are only for you entertainment, never for advice.
>
Yes, but I love good comedy, so often their advice is very entertaining.
:-)
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-MIKE- wrote:
> On 12/8/11 8:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
>> finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
>>
>
> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was
> bragging about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese
> restaurants in an effort to "save trees."
>
> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo,"
> but that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities
> talk... about anything.
I've eaten at hundreds of Chinese restaurants, many *IN* China and I've
never seen a bamboo chopstick. Plastic - even ivory - yes; bamboo no.
The Japanese use wood ones, shorter than Chinese (don't know if they use
other as I don't care for Japanese "cuisine") but the ones I'm familiar with
are a soft wood. Disposable, wrapped in paper like a straw. It is
customary to rub them together to remove any splinters.
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On 12/8/11 1:40 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 12/8/11 8:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
>>> finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
>>>
>>
>> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was
>> bragging about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese
>> restaurants in an effort to "save trees."
>>
>> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
>> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo,"
>> but that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities
>> talk... about anything.
>
> I've eaten at hundreds of Chinese restaurants, many *IN* China and I've
> never seen a bamboo chopstick. Plastic - even ivory - yes; bamboo no.
>
> The Japanese use wood ones, shorter than Chinese (don't know if they use
> other as I don't care for Japanese "cuisine") but the ones I'm familiar with
> are a soft wood. Disposable, wrapped in paper like a straw. It is
> customary to rub them together to remove any splinters.
>
All the ones you're referring to in the paper sleeves that I've ever
seen were bamboo.
Have you ever looked at the cut-off end of one?
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On 12/8/11 6:03 PM, Dan Coby wrote:
> On 12/8/2011 8:17 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was bragging
>> about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese restaurants in an
>> effort to "save trees."
>>
>> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
>> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo," but
>> that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities talk...
>> about anything.
>
> How about poplar chopsticks?
>
> http://www.11alive.com/news/article/194380/40/Chinese-chopsticks----Made-In-Georgia
>
The only disposable ones I've even seen are bamboo. Of course, like I
said in my post, I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese restaurants
she's eating at. Even the cheaper ones we eat at have bamboo and the
nicer ones bring out ceramic.
I would expect a celebrity would be eating at some pretty upscale places.
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On 12/8/11 6:29 PM, m II wrote:
> BULLSHIT!
>
> No self-respecting oriental person would use porcelain or plastic. They
> don't work.
Firstly... passive aggressive, much?
Secondly... Oriental? Really? What decade do you live in?
Thirdly, when I have dinner with my Malaysian friends, this weekend,
I'll ask them how they could ever respect themselves using their
porcelain chopsticks.
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On 12/8/11 10:08 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> On Dec 8, 7:24 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 12/8/2011 8:52 PM, JayPique wrote:
>>
>>> Godwin is calling...
>>
>> Reductio ad Hitlerum ...
>>
>> --www.eWoodShop.com
>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>
> These references allude me
...to what?
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Leon wrote:
> On 12/8/2011 1:40 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 12/8/11 8:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
>>>> finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was
>>> bragging about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese
>>> restaurants in an effort to "save trees."
>>>
>>> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
>>> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo,"
>>> but that is one of many examples why I never like to hear
>>> celebrities talk... about anything.
>>
>> I've eaten at hundreds of Chinese restaurants, many *IN* China and
>> I've never seen a bamboo chopstick. Plastic - even ivory - yes;
>> bamboo no.
>
>
> What are the odds?
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=bamboo+shop+sticks&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=qjDhTv-OGMPosQLs09HTBg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CE0Q_AUoAQ&biw=1333&bih=679#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=rDDhTo-SJ5TgsQK6h6mtBw&ved=0CEUQvwUoAQ&q=bamboo+chopsticks&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=72e7e75cede63b96&biw=1333&bih=679
Oh, I don't doubt that they exist, just never seen any in a restaurant.
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Just Wondering wrote:
> On 12/8/2011 5:29 PM, m II wrote:
>>
>> No self-respecting oriental person would use porcelain or plastic.
>> They don't work.
>>
>> -----------------
>> "-MIKE-" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> How about poplar chopsticks?
>>>
>>
>> The only disposable ones I've even seen are bamboo.
>
> Now, about those chopsticks . . .
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3b5RYZjGa0
I always figured as much :)
IMO, "Japanese" and "cuisine" are mutually exclusive. The only worthwhile
Japanese food is tempura and they got that from the Portuguese. In a pinch,
tonkatsu works too.
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On 12/8/2011 1:40 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 12/8/11 8:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
>>> finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
>>>
>>
>> I remember reading a quote from Drew Barrymore in which she was
>> bragging about how she takes her own chopsticks to Chinese
>> restaurants in an effort to "save trees."
>>
>> I couldn't help but think, "I don't know what kind of ghetto Chinese
>> joints you're eating at that use wood chopsticks instead of bamboo,"
>> but that is one of many examples why I never like to hear celebrities
>> talk... about anything.
>
> I've eaten at hundreds of Chinese restaurants, many *IN* China and I've
> never seen a bamboo chopstick. Plastic - even ivory - yes; bamboo no.
>
> The Japanese use wood ones, shorter than Chinese (don't know if they use
> other as I don't care for Japanese "cuisine") but the ones I'm familiar with
> are a soft wood. Disposable, wrapped in paper like a straw. It is
> customary to rub them together to remove any splinters.
>
One of the prime suppliers of chopsticks is the United States. They use
sweet gum. Here is a story:
<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/23/georgia-china-2-million-chopsticks_n_872333.html>
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On 12/7/2011 3:07 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>
>> > Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
>> > commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
>>
>> Once again, read 4-101.19:
>>
>> http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/RetailFoodProtection/FoodCode/Food...
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:08:03 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 12/6/2011 1:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> Red
>> Oak (the common stuff you see everywhere) is a big no. Way to porous
>> if you are considering any food prep at all. White Oak might be OK but
>> it is an open grain wood and generally also not good for food.
>
>Scroll down to the bottom ... Boos has been using Appalachian Red Oak in
>cutting boards and butcher blocks for over a hundred years
>
>http://www.butcherblockspecialist.com/butcher-block-tables.html
What do they use to fill the large pores? Oak sure wouldn't be a
choice of wood I'd make for a chopping block.
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On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 07:39:53 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>ed_h wrote:
>>> Looky dem geeky books, too!
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, I guess I'm busted on the books, but did you notice there are
>> actually some woodworking books in there, too?
>
>Can I ask about the granite inlay? Thickness? Is it in a recess within the
>mahogany? Tight to the mahogany or with grout?
>
>I ask because I'm going to be making a pair of sofa tables in an "L", each
>table about ten feet long. Plan to use mahogany with inset black granite
>and I'm trying to decide whether to inset the granite in recesses routed
>into the mahogany or to use a ply base as the granite support with mahogany
>pieces butted to the granite...sort of like a horizontal face frame.
>Thoughts?
Black granite? <yawn> Who made those lovely side tables with the
green granite inlay a couple years ago? It was the most beautiful
example of Uba Tuba green granite I'd ever seen.
Look at seaweed green http://goo.gl/ty5HV
or
Montana green http://goo.gl/Bxby9
or
Uba Tuba http://goo.gl/S3Zs7 not a good example.
They're all very dark but so much more -alive- than black...
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On 12/7/2011 10:05 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> On Dec 7, 2:26 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 12/7/2011 3:07 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> > Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
>>>> > commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
>>
>>>> Once again, read 4-101.19:
>>
>>>> http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/RetailFoodProtection/FoodCode/Food...
>>
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>
> No one will put any wood product into a commercial kitchen unless it
> is certified as legal. I established that no non-Maple product is
> certified. I win.
You win? The prize for lack of reading comprehension perhaps:
<quote> 4-101.19 Wood, Use Limitation.
(B) Hard maple _or an equivalently hard, close-grained wood_ may be used
for:
(1) Cutting boards; cutting blocks; bakers' tables; and utensils such
as rolling pins, doughnut dowels, salad bowls, and chopsticks; and
</quote>
From the above direct quote it appears the first place Booby Prize
indeed should be awarded for your childish insistence that "I win".
Besides, no more Chinese or Middle Eastern for you ... good luck in
finding a hard maple chopstick, or meat skewer for shishkabob.
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On 12/8/2011 10:08 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> On Dec 8, 7:24 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 12/8/2011 8:52 PM, JayPique wrote:
>>
>>> Godwin is calling...
>>
>> Reductio ad Hitlerum ...
> These references allude me
As well as the error of your ways. :)
Godwin's Law states that all arguments on the internet, should they go
on long enough, end up with one party calling the other a Nazi ... or
something to that effect.
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 21:18:43 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 12/6/2011 9:07 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Too much work, excess cost, etc. I have two little plastic cutting
>> boards which work well for me. After use, I spray them with 5%
>> bleachwater after scrubbing with hot soapy water and rinsing.
>
>
>> ...whose main concern is sales (not safety) right? Hospitals work to
>> avoid germs, too, but where do most people get maimed and/or die from
>> stray bacteria? All together now "IN HOSPITALS!"
>
>C-less, we really need to get you into the 21st century,
Waaaah! Why? ;)
>you obviously missed out on this:
>
>http://faculty.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/faculty/docliver/Research/cuttingboard.htm
No, I read it long ago. I remain healthy, so...
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:02:36 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 12/6/2011 7:21 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:08:03 -0600, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/6/2011 1:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>
>>>> Red
>>>> Oak (the common stuff you see everywhere) is a big no. Way to porous
>>>> if you are considering any food prep at all. White Oak might be OK but
>>>> it is an open grain wood and generally also not good for food.
>>>
>>> Scroll down to the bottom ... Boos has been using Appalachian Red Oak in
>>> cutting boards and butcher blocks for over a hundred years
>>>
>>> http://www.butcherblockspecialist.com/butcher-block-tables.html
>>
>> What do they use to fill the large pores? Oak sure wouldn't be a
>> choice of wood I'd make for a chopping block.
>
>Nonetheless, read the subject line ... "countertop" being the operative
>word.
>
>Then again, why not?
Too much work, excess cost, etc. I have two little plastic cutting
boards which work well for me. After use, I spray them with 5%
bleachwater after scrubbing with hot soapy water and rinsing.
But I wouldn't use any open grained wood for a chopping block or
cutting board because they can collect bacteria far too easily.
>"John Boos is a recipient of the Gold Medal for Excellence in food
>service equipment, and all John Boos products are approved by the FDA
>and the National Sanitation Foundation."
>
>I've used their products in kitchens ... but don't believe me, ask the
>restaurants and chef's who use their products, these guys are top of the
>line ... so who do you think one should believe, the premier butcher
>block, cutting board manufacturer in the world,
...whose main concern is sales (not safety) right? Hospitals work to
avoid germs, too, but where do most people get maimed and/or die from
stray bacteria? All together now "IN HOSPITALS!"
>or the _opinions_ of
>some folks on the wRec who mistake their ill founded opinions for fact?
>
><not directed at you C-less>
Tendjewberrymud.
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On 12/6/2011 7:57 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> On Dec 6, 4:08 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 12/6/2011 1:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hard maple is the only legally authorized material in the USA for
>>> commercial usage so maybe that tells you something.
>>
>> </US Public Health Service Food Code:>
>>
>>
>> The most respected manufacturer of high end butcher blocks and cutting
>> blocks for both retail and commercial in the country, John Boos:
>>
>> http://johnboos.com/categories_for?cat_id=10385
>>
> Nice try but you are wrong.
> 1. The code is fine as you stated but you can't put items in a
> commercial kitchen that don't have an NSF approval on record. If you
> look closely at the Boos page you referenced they show an NSF symbol
> by only a few of the hard maple boards. This isn't a mistake. This is
> careful publication of legal data.
> 2. The dealer site that is selling a walnut butcher block as NSF
> approved is simply wrong.
>
> I was nominally in the business at one point and I did my research.
>
> It may be that since I did my research that Boos or someone else has
> sought and recieved NFS approval for some Walnut or Cheery product. I
> can tell you it is tens of thousands of dollars to get through the
> very arbitrary and undefined process so only big dogs like Boos have
> ever done it. It is done on a manufacture and product by product basis.
You are saying that the statement on the Boos website ... "all John Boos
products are approved by the FDA and the National Sanitation
Foundation." is false and misleading?
You are saying I'm wrong, and cite your having been "nominally in the
business" as justification ... then immediately attempt to qualify that
assertion with "it may be (different) since I did my research ..."
You stated unequivocally that: "Hard maple is the only legally
authorized material in the USA for commercial usage so maybe that tells
you something."
Which is it? Who the hell you trying to kid?
Cite please ... I quoted the applicable regulation, which clearly does
NOT preclude wood other than maple, which you stated unequivocally was
the only thing allowed.
Show us clearly where you get your opinion from ... "nominally in the
business" doesn't cut it.
Until you do, your assertion is nothing but _opinion_, and you've
already backtracked on that.
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On 12/6/2011 10:11 PM, ed_h wrote:
> At the top of this page is a true free-standing "butcher's block" 10+
> inches thick of end grain rock maple. About halfway down the page is
> a an L-shaped counter top, about 12 lineal feet of 3+ thick end grain
> maple blocks (over 700 of them!). The pictures are clickable for a
> better view.
>
> http://bullfire.net/Furniture/Furniture.html
Beautiful work ... particularly like the curved vanity. Extremely well done.
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