J. Clarke wrote:
> B A R R Y wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> I remember when the MMTop was at Woodcraft and it seems to me those
>>> were almost $600 or so. Is that just my imagination?
>> That's Woodcraft. They tend to be the most expensive place in my
>> area
>> to buy tools.
>>
>> Coastal Tool sells the "new" MM Top for $399. When it first came
>> out, I paid $325 on sale.
>
> You've got the new one?
>
Yup.
On Sep 15, 2:36=A0pm, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jay Chan wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 8:36 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Fein apparently invented it, Proxion made their version, a few
> >> weeks
> >> ago Dremel announced theirs, now Bosch has joined the band wagon.
>
> >>http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/Boschs+PS50+MultiX.aspx
>
> > It will be available in Nov-2009, only runs on battery, and doesn't
> > have a dust prt. =A0I guess I will pass this one and buy the one from
> > Dremel instead. =A0I was actually waiting for Bosch to bring their
> > version to US because I like Bosch product and I have their hose to
> > connect dusts from their tools (works quite well with their details
> > sander and their 6" random orbital sander). =A0I am very disappointed.
> > The Dremel version also doesn't have a dust port; but at least it is
> > corded and will be available this year. =A0Sigh...
>
> The Fein doesn't have a dust port either, it uses a dust collection
> attachment that works only with the sanding pad. =A0It's a fair bet that
> Bosch will have something similar.
>
> Don't buy until accessory prices are available. =A0The accessories are
> the real killer with the Fein--a pack of three throwaway blades costs
> almost as much as a 10" Woodworker II.
>
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)- Hide quoted text -
>
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I am not comparing the Bosch cordless multimaster clone with Fein's.
Fein's has priced me out. I am comparing the Bosch cordless with the
similar corded version that Bosch is selling in Europe. Based on
pictures in some UK sites, I believe the corded version has a dust
port at the end of the handle just like the Bosch detail sander that I
have used and liked. The corded version (PMF180E) is the one that I
am looking forward to buy because I have a specific application to use
it for. Hopefully, they will bring this to this side of the ocean
sooner rather than later.
Jay Chan
On Sep 12, 7:36=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fein apparently invented it, Proxion made their version, a few weeks ago
> Dremel =A0announced theirs, now Bosch has joined the band wagon.
>
> http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/Boschs+PS50+MultiX.aspx
Good post, Leon. I didn't know anyone else was even working on a
competitor. As far as jumping on the bandwagon, I think Fein left the
door wide open on this one.
Here's Fein's offering:
http://tinyurl.com/46ee9z
You get <one> battery, it is powered by a 9.6 v battery, it is single
speed, and no clue how long the batteries (NiCad?) take to charge.
For that, you pay $535.
So if you can get that Bosch with two 12v LI batteries, 30 minute
charger, variable speed control and a case for under half the cost of
the Fein, sounds pretty sweet to me!
But your post piqued another curiosity about the current pricing of
the Fein MM. I am not sure, but looking at the top two models sold on
Amazon, have these tools dropped $100 or so in price? (Not talking
about the lower end models).
I remember when the MMTop was at Woodcraft and it seems to me those
were almost $600 or so. Is that just my imagination?
Robert
On Sep 15, 1:05=A0pm, Jay Chan <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 8:36=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Fein apparently invented it, Proxion made their version, a few weeks ag=
o
> > Dremel =A0announced theirs, now Bosch has joined the band wagon.
>
> >http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/Boschs+PS50+MultiX.aspx
>
> It will be available in Nov-2009, only runs on battery, and doesn't
> have a dust prt. =A0I guess I will pass this one and buy the one from
> Dremel instead. =A0I was actually waiting for Bosch to bring their
> version to US because I like Bosch product and I have their hose to
> connect dusts from their tools (works quite well with their details
> sander and their 6" random orbital sander). =A0I am very disappointed.
> The Dremel version also doesn't have a dust port; but at least it is
> corded and will be available this year. =A0Sigh...
>
> Jay Chan
Correction: Actually the article had a wrong date on it. The expected
available date of
the cordless multimaster clone from Bosch should be this year (2008).
Amazon.com
has already started accepting pre-orders on this item.
As for me, I am still holding a hope that Bosch "may" introduce their
corded version
in US sooner or later because that version not only doesn't need
battery, but also
has a dust port. Currently, I choose tools that have a dust
collection feature whenever
I am buying new tools.
Jay Chan
On Sep 12, 8:36=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fein apparently invented it, Proxion made their version, a few weeks ago
> Dremel =A0announced theirs, now Bosch has joined the band wagon.
>
> http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/Boschs+PS50+MultiX.aspx
Craftsman catalog also shows another mult-master clone called Rockwell
SoniCrafter.
It is a corded version. Mentioned this just in case someone is
interested. As for me,
I am still holding on with the hope that Bosch will introduce their
version in corded
in addition to the cordless version.
Jay Chan
On Sep 15, 6:58=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The Fein attachments are a bit silly in price,
> and all I can hope for that Bosch is going come in a bit cheaper..but
> with the same quality.
...and interchangeable with the Fein.
R
On Sep 21, 5:07=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jay Chan wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 8:36 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Fein apparently invented it, Proxion made their version, a few
> >> weeks
> >> ago Dremel announced theirs, now Bosch has joined the band wagon.
>
> >>http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/Boschs+PS50+MultiX.aspx
>
> > Craftsman catalog also shows another mult-master clone called
> > Rockwell
> > SoniCrafter.
> > It is a corded version. =A0Mentioned this just in case someone is
> > interested. =A0As for me,
> > I am still holding on with the hope that Bosch will introduce their
> > version in corded
> > in addition to the cordless version.
>
> If you don't need to use it on job sites, just order one from a UK
> supplier and put in a 240v outlet for it.
>
> Don't know whether you've noticed or not but EU manufacturers tend to
> test the waters in the US with cordless variants of their tools before
> setting up separate production lines for 110v versions of the corded
> ones. =A0Nice thing about a cordless from an importation viewpoint is
> that to sell it in the US all you have to do is include a different
> charger that can be used across =A0your entire cordless line.
>
> If the cordless version doesn't sell well then it's unlikely that
> Bosch will make a 110v version of the corded one.
>
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I will not likely to use the EU version of Bosch multimaster clone
because this type of tool tends to be used through out the house, and
I cannot afford to add 240-volt outlets all over the house.
Thanks for telling me that the corded version "may" arrive in US if
the cordless version sells well in US. This is indeed a good news for
me. I am just wondering how long this process will take. I guess
they should know how the cordless version will do in the US market
during X'mas season. I hope they will take less than 6 months to
bring the corded version to US after X'mas. Then I can buy it in next
summer when I expect to use something like that for a specific
project. If it is not available by that time, I will have to give the
Rockwell version a serious thought.
Jay Chan
On Sep 15, 9:44=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sep 15, 6:58=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Fein attachments are a bit silly in price,
> > and all I can hope for that Bosch is going come in a bit cheaper..but
> > with the same quality.
>
> ...and interchangeable with the Fein.
>
> R
That'd be good...
r
On Sep 16, 2:33=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sep 15, 1:36=A0pm, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Don't buy until accessory prices are available. =A0The accessories are
> > the real killer with the Fein--a pack of three throwaway blades costs
> > almost as much as a 10" Woodworker II.
>
> Lesson learned there when Feins were the realm of Woodcraft. =A0I
> remember fondling a Fein when I was looking for a good, small detail
> sander. =A0Never read a good review about that PC profile sander, never
> even talked to anyone that liked them, so I passed. =A0That just left me
> with the Fein.
>
> I used it in the store and like it a lot. =A0But in addition to WC's
> prices, they had the accessories behind a locked cage on a shelf.
> When I looked at the prices, I knew why. =A0A couple of cutters, a
> sandpaper pad, some sandpaper, and a few other things in a blister
> pack was $99. =A0Honestly, the cost of the accessories and the
> consumables scared me more than the price of the tools. =A0If I were to
> have that tool as a flawless performer for many years, I wouldn't have
> been concerned about the price. =A0But could I keep it in blades and
> such? =A0That was the question.
>
> In the end, I bailed out.
>
> But many is the time I wished I had one. =A0I will be watching the
> Bosch, and hope to see some good reviews of that thing. =A0I like the
> idea of no tail as my experience with detail sanders is that I might
> use them for about 20 minutes or so to get where I have trouble
> getting my other sanders in to work. =A0Surely those larger batteries
> would sand for 15/20 minutes or so.
>
> I hope the first guy to bite here (if it isn't me!) puts out a review
> of what they think of it.
>
> Robert
In terms of replacement blades, let's hope Bosch will hold the
standard they set for jigsaw blades.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> Jay Chan wrote:
<snip>
> > I will not likely to use the EU version of Bosch multimaster clone
> > because this type of tool tends to be used through out the house,
> > and
> > I cannot afford to add 240-volt outlets all over the house.
> >
> > Thanks for telling me that the corded version "may" arrive in US if
> > the cordless version sells well in US. This is indeed a good news
> > for
> > me. I am just wondering how long this process will take. I guess
> > they should know how the cordless version will do in the US market
> > during X'mas season. I hope they will take less than 6 months to
> > bring the corded version to US after X'mas. Then I can buy it in
> > next
> > summer when I expect to use something like that for a specific
> > project. If it is not available by that time, I will have to give
> > the
> > Rockwell version a serious thought.
I might help. I'll give the cordless version a serious look. ;-)
The PS-40[*] is a *great* tool. If this is half as useful, I'll
likely grab one.
[*] My "free" PS-20 came with a bent shaft. Usable, but wobbly. I
would never have bought one.
> Gonna be longer than that--portable tools have the motors built in,
> they're not off-the-shelf parts, they're custom designs unique to the
> tool. So to bring in the corded version they need to redesign it with
> a 110v motor, order tooling, order parts, and get the line
> going--that's likely to be a year or more _after_ they make the
> decision, and they're likely to want several years of sales records on
> the cordless before they do that.
If they're half smart, and Bosch usually is, they would have
designed a dual voltage motor from the start. It's not all that big
of a deal. If the tool is at all useful (read: sells well) a new
version would take a few months of compliance testing to bring to
market. It would likely take longer to get the marketing
organization started.
--
Keith
On Sep 15, 1:36=A0pm, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Don't buy until accessory prices are available. =A0The accessories are
> the real killer with the Fein--a pack of three throwaway blades costs
> almost as much as a 10" Woodworker II.
Lesson learned there when Feins were the realm of Woodcraft. I
remember fondling a Fein when I was looking for a good, small detail
sander. Never read a good review about that PC profile sander, never
even talked to anyone that liked them, so I passed. That just left me
with the Fein.
I used it in the store and like it a lot. But in addition to WC's
prices, they had the accessories behind a locked cage on a shelf.
When I looked at the prices, I knew why. A couple of cutters, a
sandpaper pad, some sandpaper, and a few other things in a blister
pack was $99. Honestly, the cost of the accessories and the
consumables scared me more than the price of the tools. If I were to
have that tool as a flawless performer for many years, I wouldn't have
been concerned about the price. But could I keep it in blades and
such? That was the question.
In the end, I bailed out.
But many is the time I wished I had one. I will be watching the
Bosch, and hope to see some good reviews of that thing. I like the
idea of no tail as my experience with detail sanders is that I might
use them for about 20 minutes or so to get where I have trouble
getting my other sanders in to work. Surely those larger batteries
would sand for 15/20 minutes or so.
I hope the first guy to bite here (if it isn't me!) puts out a review
of what they think of it.
Robert
On Sep 12, 8:43=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 9:11=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 12, 7:36=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I paid around 500 CAN$ for the Top kit. Best 500 I ever spent. Would I
> buy the Bosch now? Likely, but that Fein has earned my trust, so
> knowing what I know now, I'd buy the Fein again. Hard working tool.
Hard to put a price on a trusted member of your organization. I
actually get attached to older tools I have that have served reliably
over a period of years.
I have a Milwaukee 7 1/4" circular saw that has its own shelf. I
bought it in 1978 and it was my saw when I was framing houses and
setting concrete forms. It has several million miles on it and has
been rebuilt too many times. It is old enough that the bright red
plastic turned a really dark purple. It resides peacefully in the
shop these days.
I have a Rockwell 346 C circular saw that is older than that, and a
Milwaukee hole shooter that is older than both of them.
They all rest quietly now. But I remember when along with a 4' level
and some extensions cords that's all there was!
Seems like good tools just grow on you.
Robert
On Sep 12, 9:11=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sep 12, 7:36=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Fein apparently invented it, Proxion made their version, a few weeks ag=
o
> > Dremel =A0announced theirs, now Bosch has joined the band wagon.
>
> >http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/Boschs+PS50+MultiX.aspx
>
> Good post, Leon. =A0I didn't know anyone else was even working on a
> competitor. =A0As far as jumping on the bandwagon, I think Fein left the
> door wide open on this one.
>
> Here's Fein's offering:
>
> =A0http://tinyurl.com/46ee9z
>
> You get <one> battery, it is powered by a 9.6 v battery, it is single
> speed, and no clue how long the batteries (NiCad?) take to charge.
> For that, you pay $535.
>
> So if you can get that Bosch with two 12v LI batteries, 30 minute
> charger, variable speed control and a case for under half the cost of
> the Fein, sounds pretty sweet to me!
>
> But your post piqued another curiosity about the current pricing of
> the Fein MM. =A0I am not sure, but looking at the top two models sold on
> Amazon, have these tools dropped $100 or so in price? =A0(Not talking
> about the lower end models).
>
> I remember when the MMTop was at Woodcraft and it seems to me those
> were almost $600 or so. =A0Is that just my imagination?
>
> Robert
I paid around 500 CAN$ for the Top kit. Best 500 I ever spent. Would I
buy the Bosch now? Likely, but that Fein has earned my trust, so
knowing what I know now, I'd buy the Fein again. Hard working tool.
On Sep 12, 8:36=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fein apparently invented it, Proxion made their version, a few weeks ago
> Dremel =A0announced theirs, now Bosch has joined the band wagon.
>
> http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/Boschs+PS50+MultiX.aspx
It will be available in Nov-2009, only runs on battery, and doesn't
have a dust prt. I guess I will pass this one and buy the one from
Dremel instead. I was actually waiting for Bosch to bring their
version to US because I like Bosch product and I have their hose to
connect dusts from their tools (works quite well with their details
sander and their 6" random orbital sander). I am very disappointed.
The Dremel version also doesn't have a dust port; but at least it is
corded and will be available this year. Sigh...
Jay Chan
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sep 12, 8:43 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sep 12, 9:11 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 12, 7:36 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I paid around 500 CAN$ for the Top kit. Best 500 I ever spent.
>> Would
>> I buy the Bosch now? Likely, but that Fein has earned my trust, so
>> knowing what I know now, I'd buy the Fein again. Hard working tool.
>
> Hard to put a price on a trusted member of your organization. I
> actually get attached to older tools I have that have served
> reliably
> over a period of years.
>
> I have a Milwaukee 7 1/4" circular saw that has its own shelf. I
> bought it in 1978 and it was my saw when I was framing houses and
> setting concrete forms. It has several million miles on it and has
> been rebuilt too many times. It is old enough that the bright red
> plastic turned a really dark purple. It resides peacefully in the
> shop these days.
>
> I have a Rockwell 346 C circular saw that is older than that, and a
> Milwaukee hole shooter that is older than both of them.
>
> They all rest quietly now. But I remember when along with a 4'
> level
> and some extensions cords that's all there was!
>
> Seems like good tools just grow on you.
I'm just hoping that the existence of clones drives the price of
accessories down. While I don't have anything against making a
profit, 55 bucks for a disposable blade is ludicrous--Festool doesn't
charge that for carbide circular saw blades and we all know how high
Festool prices are.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
B A R R Y wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> I remember when the MMTop was at Woodcraft and it seems to me those
>> were almost $600 or so. Is that just my imagination?
>
> That's Woodcraft. They tend to be the most expensive place in my
> area
> to buy tools.
>
> Coastal Tool sells the "new" MM Top for $399. When it first came
> out, I paid $325 on sale.
You've got the new one?
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Jay Chan wrote:
> On Sep 12, 8:36 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Fein apparently invented it, Proxion made their version, a few
>> weeks
>> ago Dremel announced theirs, now Bosch has joined the band wagon.
>>
>> http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/Boschs+PS50+MultiX.aspx
>
> It will be available in Nov-2009, only runs on battery, and doesn't
> have a dust prt. I guess I will pass this one and buy the one from
> Dremel instead. I was actually waiting for Bosch to bring their
> version to US because I like Bosch product and I have their hose to
> connect dusts from their tools (works quite well with their details
> sander and their 6" random orbital sander). I am very disappointed.
> The Dremel version also doesn't have a dust port; but at least it is
> corded and will be available this year. Sigh...
The Fein doesn't have a dust port either, it uses a dust collection
attachment that works only with the sanding pad. It's a fair bet that
Bosch will have something similar.
Don't buy until accessory prices are available. The accessories are
the real killer with the Fein--a pack of three throwaway blades costs
almost as much as a 10" Woodworker II.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Jay Chan wrote:
> On Sep 12, 8:36 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Fein apparently invented it, Proxion made their version, a few
>> weeks
>> ago Dremel announced theirs, now Bosch has joined the band wagon.
>>
>> http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/Boschs+PS50+MultiX.aspx
>
> Craftsman catalog also shows another mult-master clone called
> Rockwell
> SoniCrafter.
> It is a corded version. Mentioned this just in case someone is
> interested. As for me,
> I am still holding on with the hope that Bosch will introduce their
> version in corded
> in addition to the cordless version.
If you don't need to use it on job sites, just order one from a UK
supplier and put in a 240v outlet for it.
Don't know whether you've noticed or not but EU manufacturers tend to
test the waters in the US with cordless variants of their tools before
setting up separate production lines for 110v versions of the corded
ones. Nice thing about a cordless from an importation viewpoint is
that to sell it in the US all you have to do is include a different
charger that can be used across your entire cordless line.
If the cordless version doesn't sell well then it's unlikely that
Bosch will make a 110v version of the corded one.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Jay Chan wrote:
> On Sep 21, 5:07 am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Jay Chan wrote:
>>> On Sep 12, 8:36 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Fein apparently invented it, Proxion made their version, a few
>>>> weeks
>>>> ago Dremel announced theirs, now Bosch has joined the band wagon.
>>
>>>> http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/Boschs+PS50+MultiX.aspx
>>
>>> Craftsman catalog also shows another mult-master clone called
>>> Rockwell
>>> SoniCrafter.
>>> It is a corded version. Mentioned this just in case someone is
>>> interested. As for me,
>>> I am still holding on with the hope that Bosch will introduce
>>> their
>>> version in corded
>>> in addition to the cordless version.
>>
>> If you don't need to use it on job sites, just order one from a UK
>> supplier and put in a 240v outlet for it.
>>
>> Don't know whether you've noticed or not but EU manufacturers tend
>> to
>> test the waters in the US with cordless variants of their tools
>> before setting up separate production lines for 110v versions of
>> the
>> corded ones. Nice thing about a cordless from an importation
>> viewpoint is that to sell it in the US all you have to do is
>> include
>> a different charger that can be used across your entire cordless
>> line.
>>
>> If the cordless version doesn't sell well then it's unlikely that
>> Bosch will make a 110v version of the corded one.
>>
>> --
>> --
>> --John
>> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I will not likely to use the EU version of Bosch multimaster clone
> because this type of tool tends to be used through out the house,
> and
> I cannot afford to add 240-volt outlets all over the house.
>
> Thanks for telling me that the corded version "may" arrive in US if
> the cordless version sells well in US. This is indeed a good news
> for
> me. I am just wondering how long this process will take. I guess
> they should know how the cordless version will do in the US market
> during X'mas season. I hope they will take less than 6 months to
> bring the corded version to US after X'mas. Then I can buy it in
> next
> summer when I expect to use something like that for a specific
> project. If it is not available by that time, I will have to give
> the
> Rockwell version a serious thought.
Gonna be longer than that--portable tools have the motors built in,
they're not off-the-shelf parts, they're custom designs unique to the
tool. So to bring in the corded version they need to redesign it with
a 110v motor, order tooling, order parts, and get the line
going--that's likely to be a year or more _after_ they make the
decision, and they're likely to want several years of sales records on
the cordless before they do that.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
[email protected] wrote:
>
> I remember when the MMTop was at Woodcraft and it seems to me those
> were almost $600 or so. Is that just my imagination?
That's Woodcraft. They tend to be the most expensive place in my area
to buy tools.
Coastal Tool sells the "new" MM Top for $399. When it first came out, I
paid $325 on sale.
In article
<c5bd283a-947e-4070-8f33-1d54de52e212@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 8:43 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 9:11 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 12, 7:36 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I paid around 500 CAN$ for the Top kit. Best 500 I ever spent. Would I
> > buy the Bosch now? Likely, but that Fein has earned my trust, so
> > knowing what I know now, I'd buy the Fein again. Hard working tool.
>
> Hard to put a price on a trusted member of your organization. I
> actually get attached to older tools I have that have served reliably
> over a period of years.
>
> I have a Milwaukee 7 1/4" circular saw that has its own shelf. I
> bought it in 1978 and it was my saw when I was framing houses and
> setting concrete forms. It has several million miles on it and has
> been rebuilt too many times. It is old enough that the bright red
> plastic turned a really dark purple. It resides peacefully in the
> shop these days.
>
> I have a Rockwell 346 C circular saw that is older than that, and a
> Milwaukee hole shooter that is older than both of them.
>
> They all rest quietly now. But I remember when along with a 4' level
> and some extensions cords that's all there was!
>
> Seems like good tools just grow on you.
I couldn't agree more. The Fein attachments are a bit silly in price,
and all I can hope for that Bosch is going come in a bit cheaper..but
with the same quality. Fein blades are much more affordable in 3-packs.
(waves at Miller)