Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
demonstrate or teach the products to them.
The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions
to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum
allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint
strainer, all just like they said.
First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the
unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just
ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide
Shot".
This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and
got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more
minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up
again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and
returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was
wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be
repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner,
ever again!
Chuck
[email protected] wrote:
> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. ...
Don't know about the "expensive" Wagner, never tried it. Have one of
the really cheap hand units that works ok but is, of course, way too
small for anything sizable...
If you want/need a decent but not terribly expensive spray unit, try
the lower-range Grayco that HD sells (or at least did a couple years
ago--haven't been back to see since it's 2-hr drive to get to one).
Have done the entire barn and house w/ oil primer and latex topcoat w/
no problems. Wasn't cheap, but not terribly expensive, either. About
$200-250 iirc...
OBTW, I don't recall now if it was the cheapest Grayco or another I
looked at at the time, but avoid any of the ones that expect you to
dump the paint into their container instead of out of the can or
bucket--they're invariably almost impossible to clean unless you use
the liners which are a pita (to use the technical term :) )...
Never tried any Wagner. I've borrowed a professional ($800) paint
sprayer from a neighbor, and it works GREAT.
My vote: A cheap Sears router (1/2 or 3/4 HP) from the early 90s.
Height adjustment is done with a plastic ring that's clamped onto the
base, and goes all the way around the motor. The motor itself is in a
plastic housing, and has a spiral plastic thread that engages the
height adjustment ring - or not, depending on the phase of the moon.
And the height adjustment ring isn't tight, so it spins around by
itself. All this gives rise to ...
ARHA - a feature available only on Sears routers:
Automatic
Random
Height
Adjust
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Ralph Becker-Szendy _firstname_@lr_dot_los-gatos_dot_ca.us
A metal bender from Harbor Freight - First and last time I'll shop at that
junk shop.
After getting the bender home, after assembling, it broke the first time I
pulled on it. Returned it, second one snaped in the same place. Returned
it, third one, same snap. Tossed it.
Best tools - Lie-Nielsen planes/chisels - Snap-on hand tools.
Dave
On Oct 12, 5:13 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:34:45 -0700, "Teamcasa" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >A metal bender from Harbor Freight - First and last time I'll shop at that
> >junk shop.
> >After getting the bender home, after assembling, it broke the first time I
> >pulled on it. Returned it, second one snaped in the same place. Returned
> >it, third one, same snap. Tossed it.Well at least you didn't go blind...:)
STOPPIT you guys... I'm laughing so hard it hurts.
[email protected] wrote:
...
> First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
> it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. ...
>
> This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
> about ten minutes until the first clog. ...
Was the particular paint actually rated for spray application and if
so, were airless sprayers recommended? Quite a few latex paints,
particularly are not intended for spray application and some, even if
are approved, have pretty specific requirements for suitable sprayers.
That said, there are reasons why inexpensive tools are so...
dpb wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> Was the particular paint actually rated for spray application and if
> so, were airless sprayers recommended? Quite a few latex paints,
> particularly are not intended for spray application and some, even if
> are approved, have pretty specific requirements for suitable sprayers.
> That said, there are reasons why inexpensive tools are so...
The paint can said it may be thinned to a certain ratio for spray
application, which I did. I followed Wagner's (very feeble) directions
to the tee.
Sometimes I'll buy a cheap tool if I'm not sure how much I'm actually
going to use it. If I find that I use the tool a lot and it's worth
upgrading, I'll buy a better version. This has worked out well for me
in most instances. I bought the Wagner (cheap) because I knew we are at
the very end of a major remodel. Most of the painting is done, except
for the damned extensive deck railing. This will have been my only use
for the tool and I would have been happy to shell out the money if the
tool worked at all. It did not. Lesson learned.
Someone gave me great advice today: Rent a professional sprayer from my
local rental center. Sounds like a great idea and that's my next move.
Thanks,
Chuck
Lee Valley corner-rounding gadgets (only things that cut worse than a
#45)
Lee Valley scraper plane insert for a #4 (just not rigid enough)
Japanese "saw rasp" from Axminster. Works beautifully on builder's
insulation foam. So if all you ever work is foam, go get one. Even
better, have mine.
Japanese flush-cutting dowel saw.
Any sander with less than a horsepower behind it.
Eclipse honing guide. Narrow single roller wears a groove in your
stone.
I should point out that the LV tools weren't particularly bad, they
were just particularly noticeable - becauseeverything else works so
well.
[email protected] wrote:
> dpb wrote:
> > [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> > Was the particular paint actually rated for spray application and if
> > so, were airless sprayers recommended? Quite a few latex paints,
> > particularly are not intended for spray application and some, even if
> > are approved, have pretty specific requirements for suitable sprayers.
> > That said, there are reasons why inexpensive tools are so...
>
> The paint can said it may be thinned to a certain ratio for spray
> application, which I did. ...
Well, it was a thought and something I had run into previously. ...
> Someone gave me great advice today: Rent a professional sprayer from my
> local rental center. Sounds like a great idea and that's my next move.
...
For one-time if the rates aren't exorbitant or the required time is
short enough, not a bad idea for sure. It seems like quite often what
looks like a good reason for renting ends up costing me most of what I
could have bought the thing for--and I don't have one, either... :(
But, you can probably rent a really good unit for the cost of one of
the lower-end Grayco and if you reallly don't have any further need no
real loss and it's one less thing to store until you do.
With the deck and railing just be sure you've protected against the
overspray problem adequately...
Doug Miller wrote:
> There's a problem in general with almost all gadgets that are intended to make
> painting faster: they're speeding up the wrong part of the process. _By_far_
> the most time-consuming aspect of doing a proper paint job is the prep work:
> patching, washing, scraping, sanding, masking, etc. The actual application of
> the paint goes quickly by comparison.
If you have a large flat area (like priming drywall in a house or
painting all the ceilings one color), an 18 inch roller will really
speed up the painting process.
Robert Haar wrote:
> >
> > ARHA - a feature available only on Sears routers:
> >
> > Automatic
> > Random
> > Height
> > Adjust
>
> Don't forget that collet that either releases the bit while you are routing
> or seizes up you have rap the bit with a hammer to loosen it.
Oh yes, the Automatic Bit Release Feature.. Nothing like it.. Scared
the crap out of me enough to immediately stop working on the project
and buy a real router.
I didn't buy it, but I have had the frustrating experience of using one
of the new B&D jigsaws with the plastic wheel for locking down the
baseplate, which completely ruins the tool. A wing nut would be vastly
better.
I have a triangular detail sander that I dind less than useful. That
seems to be the consensus on these, unless it's a Fein.
5" rotary sander for $25 from Grizzly. The vibration murders your
hands, and as far as I can tell, there's no way to keep it from going
wobbly and wrecking the wood. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I
think I understand the concept of the sander, and this thing doesn't do
it. Maybe I got a lemon.
Prometheus wrote:
> On 18 Oct 2006 11:17:26 -0700, "boorite" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I didn't buy it, but I have had the frustrating experience of using one
> >of the new B&D jigsaws with the plastic wheel for locking down the
> >baseplate, which completely ruins the tool. A wing nut would be vastly
> >better.
>
> How could they "ruin" a B&D jigsaw? I've got one I bought a few years
> ago for a one-off job, and it is the most useless POS there ever was.
> Can't wreck something that is already broken beyond repair.
It makes the blade go up and down, which I suppose would make it able
to cut something, if the stupid footplate would stay put.
boorite wrote:
> Prometheus wrote:
> > On 18 Oct 2006 11:17:26 -0700, "boorite" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >I didn't buy it, but I have had the frustrating experience of using one
> > >of the new B&D jigsaws with the plastic wheel for locking down the
> > >baseplate, which completely ruins the tool. A wing nut would be vastly
> > >better.
> >
> > How could they "ruin" a B&D jigsaw? I've got one I bought a few years
> > ago for a one-off job, and it is the most useless POS there ever was.
> > Can't wreck something that is already broken beyond repair.
>
> It makes the blade go up and down, which I suppose would make it able
> to cut something, if the stupid footplate would stay put.
I used a B&D jigsaw until I replaced it with a Bosch. The B&D was a
definite POS. It had a thumbscrew that held the blade in and
reciprocated with it. If you put your finger on the footplate to try to
guide the cut and keep the saw from vibrating off the work, every once
in a while, as soon as you let your guard down, that GD thumbscrew
would smash you right in the finger nail. I hated that tool.
In comparison, the Bosch is like a fine surgical instrument. It cuts
smooth and true and is totally easy to control. Mine is an older model
and was made in Switzerland. I am not sure if they are still made there
and if the quality is still as good, but this is a great tool.
Chuck
George Max wrote:
> On 17 Oct 2006 13:52:16 -0700, "bf" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >R. Pierce Butler wrote:
> >>
> >> Anything B&D.
> >
> >99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
>
> Harbor Freight sold me a real nice furniture dolly. I don't know that
> it'd be possible to mess that up too much.
My rule of thumb when I used to shop there was to ask myself .. Is
there any possible way they could screw this up?
They surprised me by figuring out a way to screw up jigsaw blades,
pliers, screwdrivers, and other stuff.
Their pipe clamps are ok (not quite as smooth as ponies). I got a nice
heavy grinder stand from them, one good hammer, and a lot of $$$ worth
of useless crap. I know I have a net loss with them in terms of
"savings".. When you have to toss a lot of the stuff in the trash, it
really eats away at what you really save by going there.
Morris Dovey wrote:
> When I lived in upstate NY, there was an outfit that sold 88-cent hand
> tools. Thrifty me - I bought the 88-cent claw hammer that lost a claw
> to the first nail that I tried to pull (10d as I recall). I pulled the
> nail with a pair of pliars and a block of wood. Then when I tried to
> re-nail the piece, the handle broke about 3" from the head.
>
> I don't think I ever returned.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto
You sure expect a lot for your $0.88!
FoggyTown
Lots of complaints about POS tools from Harbor Freight. Why are they
surprised? HF sells cheap. Yout get what you pay for. Like that
lousy Craftsman contractors TS I bought (used). Used it for a while
then got so frustrated that I bought a Delta contractors saw. MUCH
better.
What bugs me is paying good money ($100) for a Porter Cable dovetail
joint router jig, and having it be mediocre. PC cheaped out on the
screws. They stripped out right away. I replaced them with generic
fasteners from my screw bin which have held up much better. The
hold-down bar is made of some new extra-soft steel which forces me to
really crank down on the hold-down screws to get my workpieces steady
(maybe the cause of the screw failure?). I cut myself on burrs on some
of the sheet metal because they weren't deburred properly.
Should bought the expensive jig. Then I would have had more flexibility
and higher quality. I know better than to buy cheap, but sometimes my
wallet does the talking instead of my brain.
George Max wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:13:52 GMT, B A R R Y <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >George Max wrote:
> >>
> >> Those two along with your Ryobi experience suggests that *all* detail
> >> sanders are crap.
> >
> >
> >Fein?
>
> Maybe it's good. But the other manufacturers are destroying this
> category of tool. I won't be taking a chance. after experiencing the
> B&D "Mouse" and what's been written here.
no maybe about the fein. it's a fabulous machine.
I've bought enough crappy tools that I don't just have one worst:
1: Those little corner-rounding planes that Woodcraft and others sell
- totally useless. Their only virtue is that they don't cost much.
2: Ryobi detail sander - it's great for making your hand numb, but
little else. Thankfully it was a gift so I didn't actually pay for it.
3: B&D belt sander - the internal drive belt mis-tracked off the end
of one pulley, and chewed through the side of the plastic case after
about 2 hours of use over the course of 2 years.
4: Freud FT1700 router - built in above table adjustment stripped,
spindle lock broke, then motor died after about a year.
Needless to say, I don't buy Ryobi, B&D or Freud power tools any more
(though I still buy Freud blades and bits).
Regards,
John.
Leon wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25 years.
> I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to please
> you.
For the record, their paint roller syringe thingie was great. Then
again, that's not a sprayer is it.
brian
boorite wrote:
> I didn't buy it, but I have had the frustrating experience of using one
> of the new B&D jigsaws with the plastic wheel for locking down the
> baseplate, which completely ruins the tool. A wing nut would be vastly
> better.
Maybe it's just me, but I never had a single problem with the baseplate
of that tool. Granted I've only used it once, but I've used similar
models with similar baseplate design with no trouble at all.
The worst tools I have are from this iGo "furniture assembling kit"
that my mother bought me for some reason. It has a cordless screwdriver
and cordless drill. Both run on two AA batteries. Yup, two AA
batteries. Pretty cheesy to begin with and the bits that come with it
break too easily. Which is pretty impressive given that there's only AA
power in there.
However, I can't really fault the two items for being what they are.
They're still useful if I need to quickly drill through something soft
and I'm too impatient to wait for the battery to charge on my cordless
drill or too lazy to mess with a corded. And the screwdriver IS angled,
which is more useful than not having it. They just don't have much in
the way of power and are such light plastic I'm surprised they haven't
fallen apart or the motor burned out by now.
I'm sure I have a lot of tools that people would consider POS, but I'm
of the opinion that as long as I can do what I need with them, I don't
care if it's the hottest thing on the market that looks like a sneaker
(coughhitachicough) and will make you a sandwich. Not like I could have
afforded high end tools on a student's budget back then anyway. But if
I could have, there would have been a table saw in my dorm room first
thing.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
>> expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
>> Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
>> products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
>> demonstrate or teach the products to them.
>
>
> I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25
> years. I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going
> to please you.
>
I recently purchased the Wagner Paint Eater to take paint off of siding.
Worked GREAT.
"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
>
>>
> Agreed! I've got a Wagner sprayer sitting in the attic where it belongs
> until some noob buys it off me at a garage sale.
>
> Runner-up: Rotozip. Mostly I use it to grind my dog's nails down.
>
> Dave
I used my Rotozip over the weekend to cut out the sink hole in a formica
countertop. In woodworking it doesn't get much use, but I don't know what I
would do without it when I am rehabbing houses.
I bought a Wagner power roller many years ago. Pre-use setup and
post-use cleaning took way longer than any time it might have saved in
the rolling process. Plus, the infernal noise of the compressor running
almost constantly left me with ringing ears and a splitting headache.
I couldn't sell it at three garage sales.... but the insurance company
finally paid for it when Hurricane Katrina flooded my house!
Doug Miller wrote:
>> Plus, the infernal noise of the compressor running
>> almost constantly left me with ringing ears and a splitting headache.
>
> No ear protection?
Only used it once - would have definitely worn ear protection the second
time. As I recall, there was no mention of that in the instructions -
the compressor was only supposed to run intermittently. But the thing
didn't seal properly - that was another problem.
But, alas, taking the drudgery out of painting is a much more elusive
goal than building a better mousetrap.
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "Charlie M. 1958" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> But, alas, taking the drudgery out of painting is a much more elusive
>> goal than building a better mousetrap.
>
> I don't find painting to be drudgery at all -- I enjoy it. Painting is fun.
> It's the *prep* work that sucks. *That's* drudgery. That, and cleaning up
> afterward.
>
That's exactly what I meant, Doug. Guess I wasn't quite clear.
"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
>>
>>>
>> Agreed! I've got a Wagner sprayer sitting in the attic where it belongs
>> until some noob buys it off me at a garage sale.
>>
>> Runner-up: Rotozip. Mostly I use it to grind my dog's nails down.
>>
>> Dave
>
> I used my Rotozip over the weekend to cut out the sink hole in a formica
> countertop. In woodworking it doesn't get much use, but I don't know what
> I would do without it when I am rehabbing houses.
Used my rotary tool over the weekend as a laminate trimmer, installed a 1/4"
flush trim bit, worked great!
[email protected] wrote:
> Lots of complaints about POS tools from Harbor Freight. Why are they
> surprised? HF sells cheap. Yout get what you pay for. Like that
> lousy Craftsman contractors TS I bought (used). Used it for a while
> then got so frustrated that I bought a Delta contractors saw. MUCH
> better.
>
> What bugs me is paying good money ($100) for a Porter Cable dovetail
> joint router jig, and having it be mediocre. PC cheaped out on the
> screws. They stripped out right away. I replaced them with generic
> fasteners from my screw bin which have held up much better. The
> hold-down bar is made of some new extra-soft steel which forces me to
> really crank down on the hold-down screws to get my workpieces steady
> (maybe the cause of the screw failure?). I cut myself on burrs on some
> of the sheet metal because they weren't deburred properly.
>
> Should bought the expensive jig. Then I would have had more flexibility
> and higher quality. I know better than to buy cheap, but sometimes my
> wallet does the talking instead of my brain.
>
One man's trash....... I love my PC dovetail jig.
I wrote in this thread about my horrible Wagner power roller, and
somebody else thought it was great. I guess beauty is in the eye of the
beholder after all!
On 12 Oct 2006 10:58:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
My wife had their silly "power" roller when we met...
IMHO, it's as bad as the sprayer as far as taking more time to clean IT than
time it MIGHT save by using it..
My worst?
That would be my first Harbor Fright purchase.... A set of "clamping pliers"
(vise grip knockoffs)
The first time that I used them for anything that required any real clamping
force, the pressed threads in the handle unfolded and left the threaded bolt
wobbling and loose...
>Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
>expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
>Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
>products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
>demonstrate or teach the products to them.
>
>The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions
>to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum
>allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint
>strainer, all just like they said.
>
>First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
>it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the
>unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just
>ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide
>Shot".
>
>This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
>about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and
>got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more
>minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up
>again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and
>returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was
>wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be
>repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner,
>ever again!
>
>Chuck
Mac
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm
On 19 Oct 2006 09:37:10 -0700, "boorite" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Prometheus wrote:
>> On 18 Oct 2006 11:17:26 -0700, "boorite" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >I didn't buy it, but I have had the frustrating experience of using one
>> >of the new B&D jigsaws with the plastic wheel for locking down the
>> >baseplate, which completely ruins the tool. A wing nut would be vastly
>> >better.
>>
>> How could they "ruin" a B&D jigsaw? I've got one I bought a few years
>> ago for a one-off job, and it is the most useless POS there ever was.
>> Can't wreck something that is already broken beyond repair.
>
>It makes the blade go up and down, which I suppose would make it able
>to cut something, if the stupid footplate would stay put.
You would think that would be the case. But as I found with an
equivalently poor Crapsman jig saw, just making a blade go up and down does
not necessarily mean that the blade will actually *cut* wood. The Crapsman
I had appeared to more or less vibrate and scream the wood out of the kerf.
I'm not sure how such a simple process could be screwed up, but Sears's
manufacturer figured out a way to do it. Thing wouldn't even cut pine even
when equipped with good high quality blade.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
On 12 Oct 2006 10:58:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
All these posts and not one mentioning the 'good' old Ryobi Detail Sander.
On 12 Oct 2006 10:58:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
>expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
>Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
>products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
>demonstrate or teach the products to them.
Your way too hard on Wagner.. Some 30 years ago my brother bought one
(about 40$) and offered to paint my car with it. Being dumber then
than now, I agreed. The paint job actually looked good - from across
the street, in the dark, and if you squinted .
All spray painting is now done with an air compressor powered gun.
Pete
[email protected] wrote in news:1160678982.707495@smirk:
*snip*
>
> ARHA - a feature available only on Sears routers:
>
> Automatic
> Random
> Height
> Adjust
>
When looking for a plunge router, I told my Mom we were not going to
bother with Sears. I did not want the ARHA feature. (I got a Ridgid
with lifetime warranty on everything.)
Puckdropper
--
Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
When I lived in upstate NY, there was an outfit that sold 88-cent hand
tools. Thrifty me - I bought the 88-cent claw hammer that lost a claw
to the first nail that I tried to pull (10d as I recall). I pulled the
nail with a pair of pliars and a block of wood. Then when I tried to
re-nail the piece, the handle broke about 3" from the head.
I don't think I ever returned.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
> Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote in news:1q8ej2tfu96aivbv86fls3oiqk35beqhes@
> 4ax.com:
>
>> R. Pierce Butler said:
>>
>>> That was when we were all running around in loin cloths made from animal
>>> skins. :>
>>>
>>> Me? I remember when there were no animals.
>> God, is that you?
>>
>> Greg G.
>>
>
> I work as well as any other deity. Better than most in fact. (:>)
>
>
cthulhu, is that you?
--
BigEgg
Hack to size. Hammer to fit. Weld to join. Grind to shape. Paint to cover.
http://www.workshop-projects.com -
Plans and free books - *Now with forum*
In search for a biscuit cutter I went to HD and got a Freud. Plugged
it in and it started TWICE then no more. Exchanged for a second one
that started ONCE. Third try on same day wouldn't start! They ran
out of stock that day. One kid asked another how to pronounce the
name but the second didn't know either.
On 23 Oct 2006 05:59:18 -0700, "the_tool_man" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I've bought enough crappy tools that I don't just have one worst:
>
>1: Those little corner-rounding planes that Woodcraft and others sell
>- totally useless. Their only virtue is that they don't cost much.
>2: Ryobi detail sander - it's great for making your hand numb, but
>little else. Thankfully it was a gift so I didn't actually pay for it.
>3: B&D belt sander - the internal drive belt mis-tracked off the end
>of one pulley, and chewed through the side of the plastic case after
>about 2 hours of use over the course of 2 years.
>4: Freud FT1700 router - built in above table adjustment stripped,
>spindle lock broke, then motor died after about a year.
>
>Needless to say, I don't buy Ryobi, B&D or Freud power tools any more
>(though I still buy Freud blades and bits).
>
>Regards,
>John.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:08:27 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
>> expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
>> Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
>> products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
>> demonstrate or teach the products to them.
>
>
>I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25 years.
>I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to please
>you.
On the airless sprayers I agree, but I got a HVLP Wagner which for a
$100 was a bargain (spraying fencing was it first job).
Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:44:25 GMT, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
>bf wrote:
>
>> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>>
>>>Anything B&D.
>>
>>
>> 99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
>>
>
>Anybody remember WEN tools...
Were those the square looking aluminum body tools?
Locutus wrote:
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
>> Agreed! I've got a Wagner sprayer sitting in the attic where it belongs
>> until some noob buys it off me at a garage sale.
>>
>> Runner-up: Rotozip. Mostly I use it to grind my dog's nails down.
>>
>> Dave
>
> I used my Rotozip over the weekend to cut out the sink hole in a formica
> countertop. In woodworking it doesn't get much use, but I don't know what I
> would do without it when I am rehabbing houses.
>
>
It does have some uses, but I had to repair mine early on, and other
than cutting sheetrock (an unholy mess, unless you use the vacuum
attachment, which I picked up at Sears), I've not found much use for it.
My comments about it are purely from my personal POV. There must be
SOME use for it, or I'd expect it to have been pulled from the market.
Dave
[email protected] wrote:
> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
>
Agreed! I've got a Wagner sprayer sitting in the attic where it belongs
until some noob buys it off me at a garage sale.
Runner-up: Rotozip. Mostly I use it to grind my dog's nails down.
Dave
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:14:51 -0400, "gw" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer.
>
>Must be the new stuff. I have 2 Power Painters that work great. Painted 2
>houses and stained another one with them. Had to thin latex some, but not a
>whole lot. Did you thin with Floetrol?
>
>My worst purchase was a DeWalt jigsaw. To replace my old (back when they
>weren't crap) B&D jigsaw. Completely useless.
Years ago I bought a BIG top of the line Craftsman jigsaw that was absolute
crap. It vibrated so badly it was useless, and kept shearing off a tiny pin
inside that kept the head connected to the motor . It was HUGE but just like
using a $29 cheapie.
Then a couple years ago I decided to buy a Craftsman belt sander. It's useless
with course 50-80 grit paper because it won't track them once they contact to
wood and runs the paper into the housing chewing it up.
Never again...
Bought the Mastercrap Spinsaw, thought it might be handy cutting electrical box
holes in plywood that went back a day later.
>Start a cut, the blade jams in
>the wood, and the saw reciprocates up and down on the wood. Yes, I tried
>different blades. Solved it with a Bosch. Next in line would be the Delta 9"
>bandsaw.
>
My Bosch jigsaw is one of the best tools I've ever bought.
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:30:55 -0500, George Max <[email protected]> wrote:
>There's a mention in someone else's posting about a detail sander.
>And my own experience with the B&D detail sander.
>
>Those two along with your Ryobi experience suggests that *all* detail
>sanders are crap.
My detail sanders are arthritic, but definitely not crap. But they
came with the package.
Markem
(sixoneeight) = 618
George Max wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:24 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> When I lived in upstate NY, there was an outfit that sold 88-cent hand
>> tools. Thrifty me - I bought the 88-cent claw hammer that lost a claw
>> to the first nail that I tried to pull (10d as I recall). I pulled the
>> nail with a pair of pliars and a block of wood. Then when I tried to
>> re-nail the piece, the handle broke about 3" from the head.
>>
>> I don't think I ever returned.
>
> How hard is it to make a hammer? One might think this is one of the
> most screw up proof tools. I stand corrected.
Probably a junk pot metal casting from china
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:JRsZg.5355$AR6.5341@trndny02...
> bf wrote:
>
>> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>>
>>>Anything B&D.
>>
>>
>> 99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
>>
>
> Anybody remember WEN tools...
Anyone hankering to get a vintage WEN tool?
http://albany.craigslist.org/tls/223843383.html
On 2006/10/12 2:49 PM, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Never tried any Wagner. I've borrowed a professional ($800) paint
> sprayer from a neighbor, and it works GREAT.
>
> My vote: A cheap Sears router (1/2 or 3/4 HP) from the early 90s.
> Height adjustment is done with a plastic ring that's clamped onto the
> base, and goes all the way around the motor. The motor itself is in a
> plastic housing, and has a spiral plastic thread that engages the
> height adjustment ring - or not, depending on the phase of the moon.
> And the height adjustment ring isn't tight, so it spins around by
> itself. All this gives rise to ...
>
> ARHA - a feature available only on Sears routers:
>
> Automatic
> Random
> Height
> Adjust
Don't forget that collet that either releases the bit while you are routing
or seizes up you have rap the bit with a hammer to loosen it.
On 2006/10/17 4:45 PM, "bf" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Robert Haar wrote:
>
>>>
>>> ARHA - a feature available only on Sears routers:
>>>
>>> Automatic
>>> Random
>>> Height
>>> Adjust
>>
>> Don't forget that collet that either releases the bit while you are routing
>> or seizes up you have rap the bit with a hammer to loosen it.
>
> Oh yes, the Automatic Bit Release Feature.. Nothing like it.. Scared
> the crap out of me enough to immediately stop working on the project
> and buy a real router.
>
Exactly! I was routing a dado on a router table. When the bit came loose, it
broke through the top of the work piece and scared me silly (although my
brother who also inhabits the wreck might say that condition is congenital).
Henry St.Pierre wrote:
> Nova <[email protected]> wrote in news:JRsZg.5355$AR6.5341@trndny02:
>>
>>Anybody remember WEN tools...
>>
>
>
> Can I offer you a WEN jig saw? Been on the shelf for at least 20 years (it
> never could cut a straight line).
> Hank
The WEN tool I remember is a 1/4 sheet sander. I think it had the same
motor as the old electric football games that vibrated up and down to
move the plastic player across the games playing surface. The sander
even had an adjustment on the front to set the amount of vibration.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
"Markem" <markem(sixoneeight)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:08:27 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
>>> expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
>>> Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
>>> products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
>>> demonstrate or teach the products to them.
>>
>>
>>I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25
>>years.
>>I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to
>>please
>>you.
>
> On the airless sprayers I agree, but I got a HVLP Wagner which for a
> $100 was a bargain (spraying fencing was it first job).
My experience was that the product works great the first time. After that
they never worked correctly.
[email protected] wrote:
> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer.
My vote is with "user error".
I bought a relatively inexpensive ($100), small (quart cup) Wagner
sprayer around 20 years ago, no problems ever. Mostly, I use it on
louvered doors but on cabinets too. I've used oil, latex, lacquer,
stain...sprays them all. Only problem is that it will spit globs if I
let the cup get too low but that is user error.
I also bought a bigger, more expensive one when I built my house to
paint the interior. I sprayed close to 80 gallons in three days, sold
the sprayer for almost what I paid. I sold it not because it didn't
work well - it did - but because I had no further use for it.
--
dadiOH
____________________________
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bf wrote:
> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>
>>Anything B&D.
>
>
> 99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
>
Anybody remember WEN tools...
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
[email protected] wrote:
> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
> expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
> Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
> products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
> demonstrate or teach the products to them.
>
> The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions
> to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum
> allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint
> strainer, all just like they said.
>
> First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
> it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the
> unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just
> ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide
> Shot".
>
> This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
> about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and
> got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more
> minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up
> again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and
> returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was
> wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be
> repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner,
> ever again!
>
> Chuck
Chuck
I bought a re-manufactured Wagner 9150 four years ago. Other than having to
replace the seals this year, it has run great. Don't know if it's
considered a homeowner's paint sprayer, but it is electric and spits out
paint at about 3000 PSI.
Next time look on-line for re-manufactured. The price was more than one of
the cheap-o units, but if you own a painted house with painted buildings
and a stained deck, you'll really appreciate it.
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer
In article <[email protected]>, Markem <markem
(sixoneeight)@hotmail.com> says...
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:08:27 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
> >> expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
> >> Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
> >> products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
> >> demonstrate or teach the products to them.
> >
> >
> >I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25 years.
> >I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to please
> >you.
>
> On the airless sprayers I agree, but I got a HVLP Wagner which for a
> $100 was a bargain (spraying fencing was it first job).
>
> Mark
> (sixoneeight) = 618
>
I just finished painting our house with a Wagner PaintCrew, and it seemed to
go pretty good.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
Craftsman 9" disk / 6" belt sander. The belt never did track quite
straight -- even the tiniest tweak to the tracking adjustment would send
the belt skidding off to one side or the other, and it took only a few
seconds for it to cut completely through the *plastic* dust-collection
port when it did. Plus it was noisy as hell.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "justme" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >
> > I just finished painting our house with a Wagner PaintCrew, and it seemed
> > to
> > go pretty good.
>
> Wait till next time. If you did not get it "factory clean" you may have
> different results.
>
>
>
I'm actually quite anal about getting and keeping things clean, so I'm hoping
for the best. Even if I have to junk it, it was cheaper than renting a
sprayer for the two days, and I don't plan on painting for as many years as
my wife will let me get away with.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer.
Must be the new stuff. I have 2 Power Painters that work great. Painted 2
houses and stained another one with them. Had to thin latex some, but not a
whole lot. Did you thin with Floetrol?
My worst purchase was a DeWalt jigsaw. To replace my old (back when they
weren't crap) B&D jigsaw. Completely useless. Start a cut, the blade jams in
the wood, and the saw reciprocates up and down on the wood. Yes, I tried
different blades. Solved it with a Bosch. Next in line would be the Delta 9"
bandsaw.
[email protected] wrote in news:1160675925.993303.72840
@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
> expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
> Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
> products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
> demonstrate or teach the products to them.
>
> The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions
> to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum
> allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint
> strainer, all just like they said.
>
> First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
> it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the
> unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just
> ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide
> Shot".
>
> This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
> about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and
> got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more
> minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up
> again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and
> returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was
> wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be
> repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner,
> ever again!
>
> Chuck
>
Anything B&D.
Nova <[email protected]> wrote in news:JRsZg.5355$AR6.5341@trndny02:
> bf wrote:
>
>> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>>
>>>Anything B&D.
>>
>>
>> 99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
>>
>
> Anybody remember WEN tools...
>
Somebody, and it may have even been me, years ago, bought an electric WEN
chain saw. That POS was certainly in the running for the prize. Ugh!
Wouldn't cut anything right.
Patriarch
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:28:25 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>: Had a Wen soldering gun. Put together a fair number of Heathkits
>>: with
>>: it.
>>
>> Wen was that?
>>
>
> Actually, that was wen I was quite a bit younger than now.
>
>
>
That was when we were all running around in loin cloths made from animal
skins. :>
Me? I remember when there were no animals.
Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote in news:1q8ej2tfu96aivbv86fls3oiqk35beqhes@
4ax.com:
> R. Pierce Butler said:
>
>>That was when we were all running around in loin cloths made from animal
>>skins. :>
>>
>>Me? I remember when there were no animals.
>
> God, is that you?
>
> Greg G.
>
I work as well as any other deity. Better than most in fact. (:>)
"JimR" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Nova <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:JRsZg.5355$AR6.5341@trndny02:
>>
>>> bf wrote:
>>>
>>>> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Anything B&D.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Anybody remember WEN tools...
>>>
>>
>> Somebody, and it may have even been me, years ago, bought an electric
>> WEN chain saw. That POS was certainly in the running for the prize.
>> Ugh! Wouldn't cut anything right.
>>
>> Patriarch
>
> As I told my son --
>
> Me: Do you know what you get when you buy cheap tools?
>
> Son: No, what?
>
> Me: Cheap tools.
>
That's a lesson I've learned pretty well. My current chain saw is a
Stihl. It replaced a Homelite that only lasted 20 years or so.
Nova <[email protected]> wrote in news:JRsZg.5355$AR6.5341@trndny02:
> bf wrote:
>
>> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>>
>>>Anything B&D.
>>
>>
>> 99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
>>
>
> Anybody remember WEN tools...
>
Can I offer you a WEN jig saw? Been on the shelf for at least 20 years (it
never could cut a straight line).
Hank
bigegg <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>> Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:1q8ej2tfu96aivbv86fls3oiqk35beqhes@ 4ax.com:
>>
>>> R. Pierce Butler said:
>>>
>>>> That was when we were all running around in loin cloths made from
>>>> animal skins. :>
>>>>
>>>> Me? I remember when there were no animals.
>>> God, is that you?
>>>
>>> Greg G.
>>>
>>
>> I work as well as any other deity. Better than most in fact. (:>)
>>
>>
> cthulhu, is that you?
>
>
Prepare to be eaten. :>
http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=135
100% Correct when it comes to Latex, and really anyone who says otherwise
would have to prove it with a video...it sucks bigtime. Great for stain on
shingles and decks. I had a rather good experience painting latex with a
older Craftsman in the young 80's, but lent it out and just forgot about it.
So I decided to get the Wagner.....the tiny piston just got to hot to quick.
I still use the wagner for outside.......just NEVER AGAIN with Latex!
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
> expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
> Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
> products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
> demonstrate or teach the products to them.
>
> The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions
> to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum
> allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint
> strainer, all just like they said.
>
> First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
> it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the
> unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just
> ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide
> Shot".
>
> This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
> about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and
> got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more
> minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up
> again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and
> returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was
> wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be
> repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner,
> ever again!
>
> Chuck
>
"Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Nova <[email protected]> wrote in news:JRsZg.5355$AR6.5341@trndny02:
>
>> bf wrote:
>>
>>> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anything B&D.
>>>
>>>
>>> 99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
>>>
>>
>> Anybody remember WEN tools...
>>
>
> Somebody, and it may have even been me, years ago, bought an electric WEN
> chain saw. That POS was certainly in the running for the prize. Ugh!
> Wouldn't cut anything right.
>
> Patriarch
As I told my son --
Me: Do you know what you get when you buy cheap tools?
Son: No, what?
Me: Cheap tools.
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
> Craftsman 9" disk / 6" belt sander. The belt never did track quite
> straight -- even the tiniest tweak to the tracking adjustment would send
> the belt skidding off to one side or the other, and it took only a few
> seconds for it to cut completely through the *plastic* dust-collection
> port when it did. Plus it was noisy as hell.
I have the same machine. On the advise of Keeter I tried a couple of
wraps of electrical tape around the center of the idler drum to give it
sort of a crown. It still sucks but I can get it to track somewhat.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
"justme" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>
> I just finished painting our house with a Wagner PaintCrew, and it seemed
> to
> go pretty good.
Wait till next time. If you did not get it "factory clean" you may have
different results.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:24:20 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Markem" <markem(sixoneeight)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:08:27 GMT, "Leon"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
>>>> expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
>>>> Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
>>>> products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
>>>> demonstrate or teach the products to them.
>>>
>>>
>>>I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25
>>>years.
>>>I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to
>>>please
>>>you.
>>
>> On the airless sprayers I agree, but I got a HVLP Wagner which for a
>> $100 was a bargain (spraying fencing was it first job).
>
>
>My experience was that the product works great the first time. After that
>they never worked correctly.
Don't you love quality control via the customer.
Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618
dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
: If you want/need a decent but not terribly expensive spray unit, try
: the lower-range Grayco that HD sells (or at least did a couple years
: ago--haven't been back to see since it's 2-hr drive to get to one).
: Have done the entire barn and house w/ oil primer and latex topcoat w/
: no problems. Wasn't cheap, but not terribly expensive, either. About
: $200-250 iirc...
I bought the next one up, which was either $299 or $399. Terrific
tool -- painted a whole house interior faster than I would have thought
possible, and pretty easy cleanup IF you follow the directions to a T.
-- Andy Barss
"Bruce Barnett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] writes:
>
>> The paint can said it may be thinned to a certain ratio for spray
>> application, which I did. I followed Wagner's (very feeble) directions
>> to the tee.
>
> You know - I had that same problem when I bought a Wagner 25 years
> ago. The only way it worked without jamming was if the paint was so
> thin you could see through it.
>
> And I always thought it was me. 25 years later and they still don't work?
> Shouldn't there be a "Wagnersucks.com" web site after all these years?
With airless, you need to match the filter and the nozzle to the paint,
otherwise you're going to blow a hole in the filter after which the nozzle
is going to clog.
Not just Wagner--any airless.
>
> --
> Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail to this account incurs a fee of
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"Whatmeworry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:8ysYg.4151$gM1.603@fed1read12...
> George Max wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:24 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I lived in upstate NY, there was an outfit that sold 88-cent hand
>>> tools. Thrifty me - I bought the 88-cent claw hammer that lost a claw
>>> to the first nail that I tried to pull (10d as I recall). I pulled the
>>> nail with a pair of pliars and a block of wood. Then when I tried to
>>> re-nail the piece, the handle broke about 3" from the head.
>>>
>>> I don't think I ever returned.
>>
>> How hard is it to make a hammer? One might think this is one of the
>> most screw up proof tools. I stand corrected.
>
> Probably a junk pot metal casting from china
This is why the Army pays 600 bucks for hammer. Not because it's 600 bucks
worth of tool but because it takes 600 bucks worth of tests to make sure
that they haven't been ripped off by the lowest bidder.
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
: Had a Wen soldering gun. Put together a fair number of Heathkits with
: it.
Wen was that?
-- Andy Barss
"Chuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> boorite wrote:
>> Prometheus wrote:
>> > On 18 Oct 2006 11:17:26 -0700, "boorite" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >I didn't buy it, but I have had the frustrating experience of using
>> > >one
>> > >of the new B&D jigsaws with the plastic wheel for locking down the
>> > >baseplate, which completely ruins the tool. A wing nut would be vastly
>> > >better.
>> >
>> > How could they "ruin" a B&D jigsaw? I've got one I bought a few years
>> > ago for a one-off job, and it is the most useless POS there ever was.
>> > Can't wreck something that is already broken beyond repair.
>>
>> It makes the blade go up and down, which I suppose would make it able
>> to cut something, if the stupid footplate would stay put.
>
> I used a B&D jigsaw until I replaced it with a Bosch. The B&D was a
> definite POS. It had a thumbscrew that held the blade in and
> reciprocated with it. If you put your finger on the footplate to try to
> guide the cut and keep the saw from vibrating off the work, every once
> in a while, as soon as you let your guard down, that GD thumbscrew
> would smash you right in the finger nail. I hated that tool.
>
> In comparison, the Bosch is like a fine surgical instrument. It cuts
> smooth and true and is totally easy to control. Mine is an older model
> and was made in Switzerland. I am not sure if they are still made there
> and if the quality is still as good, but this is a great tool.
My old one (1979 or so vintage) died the death the other day (or at least
broke a part that Bosch USA doesn't seem to have--I have a British friend
who on his next trip is going to try to get it from Bosch UK) and I replaced
it with a new one. The new one seems better in every regard--cutting
quality is the same (couldn't get much better), it has more power, better
blade control, improved ergonomics, and the best blade-change I have ever
seen on a jigsaw.
"brianlanning" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25
>> years.
>> I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to
>> please
>> you.
>
> For the record, their paint roller syringe thingie was great. Then
> again, that's not a sprayer is it.
If you're talking about the Paintmate Plus
<http://www.wagnerspraytech.com/Wagner/product.do?productCode=Power_Roller_PaintMate>
mine kept losing the roller until I put a rubber band around the white
plastic finger clip that purportedly holds it in place. It's been fine
since. Their corner and edge painter that works on the same principle is
also handy.
I also had an old Wagner airless sprayer with a two gallon bucket hopper on
top. I sprayed several homes both interior and exterior and made thousands
of dollars with it. We used it in our business for 12 years with no repairs.
cm
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
> expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
> Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
> products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
> demonstrate or teach the products to them.
>
> The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions
> to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum
> allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint
> strainer, all just like they said.
>
> First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
> it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the
> unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just
> ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide
> Shot".
>
> This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
> about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and
> got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more
> minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up
> again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and
> returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was
> wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be
> repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner,
> ever again!
>
> Chuck
>
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:15:46 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>Your way too hard on Wagner.. Some 30 years ago my brother bought one
>(about 40$) and offered to paint my car with it. Being dumber then
>than now, I agreed. The paint job actually looked good - from across
>the street, in the dark, and if you squinted .
Hey, the Jackal used one to paint his white Alfa-Romeo blue (in The
Day of the Jackal). He eluded capture for several days. It must be
good.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997
email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:34:45 -0700, "Teamcasa" <[email protected]> wrote:
>A metal bender from Harbor Freight - First and last time I'll shop at that
>junk shop.
>After getting the bender home, after assembling, it broke the first time I
>pulled on it. Returned it, second one snaped in the same place. Returned
>it, third one, same snap. Tossed it.
>
Well at least you didn't go blind...:)
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:28:25 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>: Had a Wen soldering gun. Put together a fair number of Heathkits with
>: it.
>
> Wen was that?
>
Actually, that was wen I was quite a bit younger than now.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
We use a Wagner Control Spray to paint doors and have had very good results.
We have sprayed over 25 doors to date.
cm
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
> expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
> Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
> products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
> demonstrate or teach the products to them.
>
> The Owner's Manuals are disgustingly bad but I followed the directions
> to the best of my ability. I thinned the (latex) paint to the maximum
> allowed by the manufacturer. I strained the paint through a paint
> strainer, all just like they said.
>
> First of all "The Paint Crew" couldn't pump the paint at all. Even when
> it was thinned per manufacturer's specs. I continued to thin until the
> unit could actually pump but by that time, it was so thin that it just
> ran right off the work piece. Brought that one back. Got the "Wide
> Shot".
>
> This one actually worked with the thinned and strained paint - for
> about ten minutes until the first clog. Cleaned out the pickup tube and
> got 5 more minutes till the next clog. Cleaned again, got 2 more
> minutes. Thoroughly cleaned entire gun of all paint and started up
> again. Got 5 more minutes before it clogged again. Gave up, and
> returned this POS to the store. They didn't even bother to ask what was
> wrong, they just gave me the refund. I am sure these units will be
> repackaged and back on a shelf near you within a month. Never Wagner,
> ever again!
>
> Chuck
>
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:44:25 GMT, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
>bf wrote:
>
>> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>>
>>>Anything B&D.
>>
>>
>> 99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
>>
>
>Anybody remember WEN tools...
Had a Wen soldering gun. Put together a fair number of Heathkits with
it.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
In article <[email protected]>, "Charlie M. 1958" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>But, alas, taking the drudgery out of painting is a much more elusive
>goal than building a better mousetrap.
I don't find painting to be drudgery at all -- I enjoy it. Painting is fun.
It's the *prep* work that sucks. *That's* drudgery. That, and cleaning up
afterward.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:25:46 GMT, "JimR" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Nova <[email protected]> wrote in news:JRsZg.5355$AR6.5341@trndny02:
>>
>>> bf wrote:
>>>
>>>> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Anything B&D.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Anybody remember WEN tools...
>>>
>>
>> Somebody, and it may have even been me, years ago, bought an electric WEN
>> chain saw. That POS was certainly in the running for the prize. Ugh!
>> Wouldn't cut anything right.
>>
>> Patriarch
>
I don't have a major need for a chainsaw, just a little trimming now
and then. A few years ago I came across a WEN electric chainsaw at a
garage sale for $5 so I bought it. For me it does everything I need a
chainsaw for. The big problem was finding a chain for it as the old
one was dull and had been badly sharpened more than once. Nobody had
the chain or even the specs for the chain. Finally (after I had really
stopped trying to find a chain) I found one hanging on a wall at an
older hardware store. It was in an old dirty package and was on
clearance at 75% off. The guy was amazed that I bought it and said it
had been on that clearance rack for a couple of years. He went in the
back to see if they had any more, but it was the only one. Anyway, as
I have never used any other electric chainsaw I don't have any
comparison, but this little WEN (with its new chain) does what I need
(even though that ain't saying much).
Dave Hall
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:16:12 GMT, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>
>Craftsman 9" disk / 6" belt sander. The belt never did track quite
>straight -- even the tiniest tweak to the tracking adjustment would send
>the belt skidding off to one side or the other, and it took only a few
>seconds for it to cut completely through the *plastic* dust-collection
>port when it did. Plus it was noisy as hell.
LOL!
I had the same nasty tool. it was complete crap.
I think the only tool I ever bought from Sears that I wasn't disappointed with
was my first Radial Arm Saw. That was a nice tool. Well except for that nasty
planning accessory that nearly broke my fingers.
I loved the 10 inch sanding disk though.
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:24 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>When I lived in upstate NY, there was an outfit that sold 88-cent hand
>tools. Thrifty me - I bought the 88-cent claw hammer that lost a claw
>to the first nail that I tried to pull (10d as I recall). I pulled the
>nail with a pair of pliars and a block of wood. Then when I tried to
>re-nail the piece, the handle broke about 3" from the head.
>
>I don't think I ever returned.
How hard is it to make a hammer? One might think this is one of the
most screw up proof tools. I stand corrected.
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:13:52 GMT, B A R R Y <[email protected]>
wrote:
>George Max wrote:
>>
>> Those two along with your Ryobi experience suggests that *all* detail
>> sanders are crap.
>
>
>Fein?
Maybe it's good. But the other manufacturers are destroying this
category of tool. I won't be taking a chance. after experiencing the
B&D "Mouse" and what's been written here.
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:45:40 GMT, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:JRsZg.5355$AR6.5341@trndny02...
>> bf wrote:
>>
>>> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anything B&D.
>>>
>>>
>>> 99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
>>>
>>
>> Anybody remember WEN tools...
>
>Anyone hankering to get a vintage WEN tool?
>
>http://albany.craigslist.org/tls/223843383.html
>
There was a line of absolute crap tools about 25 years ago that were big, blocky
looking and all silver, I guess brushed aluminum.
I had the jigsaw as one of my first tools and it was unusable.
On 18 Oct 2006 11:17:26 -0700, "boorite" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I didn't buy it, but I have had the frustrating experience of using one
>of the new B&D jigsaws with the plastic wheel for locking down the
>baseplate, which completely ruins the tool. A wing nut would be vastly
>better.
How could they "ruin" a B&D jigsaw? I've got one I bought a few years
ago for a one-off job, and it is the most useless POS there ever was.
Can't wreck something that is already broken beyond repair.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer.
You haven't lived then. My Wagner actually works, and isn't bad for the
price.
My PC444 on the other hand... If it was $10 I would say fine, but not for
$100.
Mine works just fine too. Did a great job on the two test joints I made
after buying it several years ago. Haven't used it since. Other than
decoration, can't see why I'd ever want to use a dovetail.
"Charlie M. 1958" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> One man's trash....... I love my PC dovetail jig.
>
> I wrote in this thread about my horrible Wagner power roller, and
> somebody else thought it was great. I guess beauty is in the eye of the
> beholder after all!
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:35:10 -0500, "Charlie M. 1958" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I bought a Wagner power roller many years ago. Pre-use setup and
>post-use cleaning took way longer than any time it might have saved in
>the rolling process. Plus, the infernal noise of the compressor running
>almost constantly left me with ringing ears and a splitting headache.
My experience with them is just the opposite. A former neighbor had one of these things many years
ago. His retirement scheme in the late 80's during the turndown was to buy up cosmetically
challenged homes, fix them up, and then rent them to make the loan payment. I helped him paint 5 or
6 houses with this tool, and it performed flawlessly (except for one unforgettable burst hose caused
by a nicked hose).
The Power Roller is a great tool. It will really let you put on the paint - a gallon in 15 minutes
if you work hard at it. Virtually no dripping once you get the hang of it.
The efficiency trick is to paint all rooms and ceilings the same color - off white. It takes the
better part of an hour to do a good cleanup job. Not a tool I would reach for to paint one room,
but to paint an empty house all the same color? You bet. It would be my first choice.
Regards,
Roy
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:16:12 GMT, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>
>Craftsman 9" disk / 6" belt sander. The belt never did track quite
>straight -- even the tiniest tweak to the tracking adjustment would send
>the belt skidding off to one side or the other, and it took only a few
>seconds for it to cut completely through the *plastic* dust-collection
>port when it did. Plus it was noisy as hell.
Kind of funny... my brother has that same machine and it's been nothing but
trouble, but I bought the same machine at Harbor Fright on sale for 1/2 the cost
of his Crapman WITH a stand and it's been a great work horse for almost 5 years
now...
You just never know what you're going to get, I guess..
Mac
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:15:46 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On 12 Oct 2006 10:58:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
>>expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
>>Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
>>products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
>>demonstrate or teach the products to them.
>
>Your way too hard on Wagner.. Some 30 years ago my brother bought one
>(about 40$) and offered to paint my car with it. Being dumber then
>than now, I agreed. The paint job actually looked good - from across
>the street, in the dark, and if you squinted .
>
I have a Wagner, I inherited it a few years ago and it's never let me down. I've
never tried it, and never plan to try it. :)
Black & Decker detail sander. Bad bad bad. All about noise and
vibration and *nothing* about sanding. Total junk. POS
Porter Cable 555 biscuit joiner. The damn fence was a fight to get
parallel to the cutter. I didn't toss it, I sold it and recovered
about 80% of what I paid. Not completely a POS though.
The Rockler diamond coated cones for sharpening hollow mortise
chisels. The coating immediately removes itself from the cone upon
application to the chisel. POS.
Craftsman router bit sharpening system. A small stone to be mounted
to the router, a jig attached to the bottom of the router, align the
bit with the stone, turn on and move the bit over the stone. Junk. A
router bit destroying shark if you can get past the idea of spinning a
stone at 25,000 rpm. POS.
Craftsman jigsaw. POS All noise and vibration and very little actual
cutting of wood.
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:08:19 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Craftsman router. Not only did it have the random height feature, when you
>twised the body to raise or lower the bit there was play in the mechanism so
>it didn't necessarily go straight up and down.
>
> -- Mark
>
sweet.
I've still got one :(
But once I got it dialed in with a dovetail cutter for 1/2" dovetails
in 1/2 stock using the Craftsman dovetail jig, I've let it alone. It
waits for that job.
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:06:00 -0700, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 19 Oct 2006 09:37:10 -0700, "boorite" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Prometheus wrote:
>>> On 18 Oct 2006 11:17:26 -0700, "boorite" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I didn't buy it, but I have had the frustrating experience of using one
>>> >of the new B&D jigsaws with the plastic wheel for locking down the
>>> >baseplate, which completely ruins the tool. A wing nut would be vastly
>>> >better.
>>>
>>> How could they "ruin" a B&D jigsaw? I've got one I bought a few years
>>> ago for a one-off job, and it is the most useless POS there ever was.
>>> Can't wreck something that is already broken beyond repair.
>>
>>It makes the blade go up and down, which I suppose would make it able
>>to cut something, if the stupid footplate would stay put.
>
> You would think that would be the case. But as I found with an
>equivalently poor Crapsman jig saw, just making a blade go up and down does
>not necessarily mean that the blade will actually *cut* wood. The Crapsman
>I had appeared to more or less vibrate and scream the wood out of the kerf.
>I'm not sure how such a simple process could be screwed up, but Sears's
>manufacturer figured out a way to do it. Thing wouldn't even cut pine even
>when equipped with good high quality blade.
Probably made by Black and Decker, with the Craftsman name slapped on
the case. :)
Gotta love the way the blade tilts to 45 degrees the second it touches
wood. Never a non-mitered cut with a B&D.
On 17 Oct 2006 13:52:16 -0700, "bf" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>>
>> Anything B&D.
>
>99% of what's in Harbor Frieght.
Harbor Freight sold me a real nice furniture dolly. I don't know that
it'd be possible to mess that up too much.
In article <[email protected]>, "Charlie M. 1958" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I bought a Wagner power roller many years ago. Pre-use setup and
>post-use cleaning took way longer than any time it might have saved in
>the rolling process.
There's a problem in general with almost all gadgets that are intended to make
painting faster: they're speeding up the wrong part of the process. _By_far_
the most time-consuming aspect of doing a proper paint job is the prep work:
patching, washing, scraping, sanding, masking, etc. The actual application of
the paint goes quickly by comparison.
>Plus, the infernal noise of the compressor running
>almost constantly left me with ringing ears and a splitting headache.
No ear protection?
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:21:21 -0400, JKevorkian
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 12 Oct 2006 10:58:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>All these posts and not one mentioning the 'good' old Ryobi Detail Sander.
There's a mention in someone else's posting about a detail sander.
And my own experience with the B&D detail sander.
Those two along with your Ryobi experience suggests that *all* detail
sanders are crap.
I have to agree with you on that one. Mine fell apart about 1' into a cut
and even Hercules couldn't tighten the cheap screws enough to make it hold
its height. The POS didn't even last one project. I consider it the worst
Christmas gift ever.
But the most worthless I have is a Crapsman detail sander. The head vibrates
so much side to side that it will ruin your work instead of sanding it. Took
me 3 hours to fix a 1 minute use of it. I gonna feel bad for the person that
buys it in a garage sale.
Allen
> My vote: A cheap Sears router (1/2 or 3/4 HP) from the early 90s.
> Height adjustment is done with a plastic ring that's clamped onto the
> base, and goes all the way around the motor. The motor itself is in a
> plastic housing, and has a spiral plastic thread that engages the
> height adjustment ring - or not, depending on the phase of the moon.
> And the height adjustment ring isn't tight, so it spins around by
> itself. All this gives rise to ...
>
> ARHA - a feature available only on Sears routers:
>
> Automatic
> Random
> Height
> Adjust
>
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Here's my vote: ANY Wagner homeowner's paint sprayer. I bought the
> expensive one (The Paint Crew) first and then tried the $100 "Wide
> Shot". The sales help in the BORGs know nothing about any of these
> products, because, they tell me that Wagner has no reps and nobody to
> demonstrate or teach the products to them.
I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25 years.
I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to please
you.
[email protected] writes:
> The paint can said it may be thinned to a certain ratio for spray
> application, which I did. I followed Wagner's (very feeble) directions
> to the tee.
You know - I had that same problem when I bought a Wagner 25 years
ago. The only way it worked without jamming was if the paint was so
thin you could see through it.
And I always thought it was me. 25 years later and they still don't work?
Shouldn't there be a "Wagnersucks.com" web site after all these years?
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"brianlanning" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > I have foolishly bought 3 different Wagner products over the last 25
years.
> > I agree, If it has the name Wagner on it, it is probably not going to
please
> > you.
>
> For the record, their paint roller syringe thingie was great. Then
> again, that's not a sprayer is it.
I bought 2 of their power rollers. The first 20 years ago leaked all over
and I threw it out. The second (new design, 12 years ago worked OK for a
while but after storing for 5 years wouldn't even turn on.
Real waste of money
>