While, I know aspen is not a common wood for everyone the latest
reports on stands of aspens dying should be troubling to us all that
cherish wood.
The scientists are not sure what's causing the stands to die off, but
they
are also not sure if this is a one time thing or not. Let's hope it's a
one time thing!
We are losing oaks here in the Pacific West, another variety of wood
dying off
is very disturbing.
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/08/11/321997-scientists-aspen-trees-in-west-dying
MJ Wallace
I cannot believe no one has thought to suggest that this tree calamity may
be the result of a new human to tree STD.
Seriously, think about it. Never before have there been so many tree
huggers on this planet. Statistically speaking, it was only a matter of
time before the hugging let to heavy petting, and on to more intimate
contact.
--Hedley
--Binge in Moderation
PS - My SUV is only two and a half tons. I'm of the opinion that I am doing
the world a favor by speeding up the process of ending our reliance on oil
as an energy source. I'm simply using it all up. If you guys in Europe
didn't pay the equivalent of 6$ a gallon, you'd be driving in comfort as
well - instead of in little motorized metal gerbil cages.
"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 19 Sep 2006 08:16:36 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>While, I know aspen is not a common wood for everyone the latest
SNIP
>>http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/08/11/321997-scientists-aspen-trees-in-west-dying
>>
>
> I witnessed something similar in Arizona maybe 15 years ago. I
SNIP
>
> Honk, honk, keep on driving and have a nice day :)
>
[email protected] wrote:
> While, I know aspen is not a common wood for everyone the latest
> reports on stands of aspens dying should be troubling to us all that
> cherish wood.
We too have trees dying, although the cause is known. Gypsy moth
caterpillars. A healthy tree can handle 2-3 years of defoliation, but
after that it'll die. We're now in year three and sure 'nuff, trees
are dying.
JP
Robert Haar wrote:
> On 2006/9/19 7:35 PM, "Lee" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Live in central Wisconsin. More dead oak than alive.
>
> and in S.E. Michigan, most of the ash trees are dead or dying.
What I've read, that's primarily owing to a new borer--I forget now how
it got here.
And in TN/VA and up the Appalachian, as somebody else noted, there's
the gypsy moth that's the prime problem for the oaks.
Up in the higher elevations of the Smokey Mtn's, the Fraser firs are
being decimated from the balsam woolly aphid.
All of the above are imported pests from various sources as if there
weren't enough native. :(
Fly-by-Night CC wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Live in central Wisconsin. More dead oak than alive.
> > >
> > > and in S.E. Michigan, most of the ash trees are dead or dying.
> >
> > What I've read, that's primarily owing to a new borer--I forget now how
> > it got here.
> >
> > And in TN/VA and up the Appalachian, as somebody else noted, there's
> > the gypsy moth that's the prime problem for the oaks.
> >
> > Up in the higher elevations of the Smokey Mtn's, the Fraser firs are
> > being decimated from the balsam woolly aphid.
> >
> > All of the above are imported pests from various sources as if there
> > weren't enough native. :(
>
> Perhaps it could be in part be due to warming - at least in the future,
> that could certainly play a role in these types of insect infestations.
...
How does warming relate to the importation of exotic pests, pray tell?
Most of the large-scale loss of trees going back to the American
Chestnut and American Elm as well as the above listed present-day
occurrences are primarily the result of the arrival of hitherfore
unknown pests or diseases for which there were/are no native controls
or resistance. My hypothesis is that a similar situation will be
discovered here.
Michael Daly wrote:
> dpb wrote:
>
> > How does warming relate to the importation of exotic pests, pray tell?
>
> Warming can allow _migration_ of pests. That's already happening in some parts
> of the world. Not just pests, of course, but all manner of critters. Also,
> some imported pests will survive in a warmer clime today compared to a cooler past.
Yes, but then the converse is also true. My reading is that such is
typically a much less prevelant mode of introduction of an exotic
species from (say) the Orient to NA than them hitching a ride on
products being imported or simply brought in as an experiment (either
initially controlled and accidentally released or actually introduced)
or by individual travelers.
> > My hypothesis is that a similar situation will be
> > discovered here.
>
> Absent relevant facts, an equally plausible hypothesis.
Yep, plus I had intended to note that the Rockies (particularly the
more southern ranges) have been under drought conditions for several
years so it is quite possible it is simply a result of that and when
we/they get a few years of near or above normal snowpack the "problem"
will fix itself.
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> wrote:
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>=20
> $6 a gallon? Get real, due to the "light" composition of North Sea
> crude and the subsequent ease of distillation the UK and Norway have
> just about the cheapest petrol prices on the planet - maybe around 50
> cents per US gallon. The difference is the tax that is added meaning
> that recently its been nearer US$8.50 retail. =20
>=20
> But, when you live in Europe, you can drive proper cars rather than
> something resembling an HGV's that have been left out too long in the
> rain. Cars with properly engineered chassis dynamics that enable you
> to go round corners as well as in a straight line, cars that don't
> have any cup holders, nor aircon, nor airbags, cars that weigh
> around 0.7 tonnes and made of aluminium - yes aluminium is how it is
> spelt. Cars powered by puny 1.8 litre (call it 110 cubic inches)
> engines producing 120bhp - But with the car being so lightweight this
> 110 cubic inches gives acceleration of 0-60 in around 5 seconds and
> 130mph while also giving 45mpg in regular, more restrained use. Plus
> you can drive it to the shops, put in a full weeks worth of shopping
> in the boot, yes the boot, a trunk being something on the front of an
> elephant, yet commute every day in perfect comfort and then race it on
> the track on a weekend. =20
>=20
SNIP uninformed stereotypical rant about how Americans are sooo fat and =
wasteful.
>=20
> Have a nice day, the way the Americans are destroying the planet it
> could be your last.
>=20
Whatever it takes for you to be happy driving little disposable =
aluminium death traps, it's fine by me. I do wonder, though, why you =
don't go the rest of the way and just drive scooters? The power/weight =
ratio is even better for them and you may even be able to carry more in =
the boot. I've seen families of 4 on scooters in Malaysia and they =
seemed happy as clams.
Me? I prefer to have one vehicle in my three car garage that can carry =
the wood I need for projects and also be able to carry me, the missus, =
the kid, the dog, and all our luggage comfortably across country. It's =
also nice to be able to fit furniture, big-box electronics, and whatever =
I please in the cargo area. Hell, I 've taken 8 folks down to the =
Chicago lakefront for festivities several times. Try that in one of the =
little engineering marvels of which you're so fond.
I wasn't brought up in a minimalistic environment, so I can't relate to =
your passion about tiny cars, although the teenagers here seem to love =
them. I've lived in several European countries and I have to say the =
cars, the roads, the homes (flats?), and even the stores make me =
claustrophobic. It's sad you don't have the room to breathe that we =
have here, but don't insult us for it.
When then time comes (8.50$ gas is one of those times), I'll move from =
my 14mpg GAZHOG to a more fuel efficient vehicle. Until then, I do what =
I can afford and be comfortable with. The last thing on my mind is my =
contribution to greenhouse gasses and the THEORY of global warming. =
Wthat horse manure. Just because it's repeated enough does not make it =
true.
--Hedley
--Binge in Moderation
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On 2006/9/19 7:35 PM, "Lee" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Live in central Wisconsin. More dead oak than alive.
and in S.E. Michigan, most of the ash trees are dead or dying.
"Hedley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You've got some time on your hands, huh?
>
Total complacency. That's what will kill us all.
Tim #w
You've got some time on your hands, huh?
"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:59:28 GMT, "Hedley" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>The last thing on my mind is my contribution to greenhouse gasses and the
>>THEORY of global warming. Wthat horse manure. Just because it's repeated
>>enough does not make it true.
>
> Fast forward a few years, you're been walking with your family for
> weeks in the hope of finding a green land over the horizon. You're now
> sheltering in a rusting SUV in the middle of nowhere, the military
> have only a few weeks fuel and water reserves left and many of them
> are deserting and going back to try and look after their families.
>
> There is a dust storm outside and you have a dry throat, you've not
> had a cold coke or beer for months. You're trying to explain to your
> grandchildren why there is dust everywhere, no food and no water. You
> finally admit that It's because many years ago you, along with all the
> other fools ignored the signs. You and your government did jack shit
> about global warming, as they thought it wouldn't affect them and
> doing anything would hurt the economy.
>
> The sea levels have since risen and flooded every coastal city, across
> the continent soil blows away in the wind, grain harvests have failed
> every year for the past decade and new seed is in short supply. Wars
> have been fought worldwide for years over water, the wars over oil are
> now a distant memory. Everywhere is turning back to desert. Bodies are
> lying everywhere. The scenes of famine common in Africa for many years
> are on the doorstep of every single American. Disease is rampant,
> flies are everywhere and you know its only time before you and your
> family become the next victims.
>
> At the start of the 21st century 4000 people a day were dying due to
> the lack of fresh water and good sanitation, more than died in the
> terrorist attacks on September 11th 2001, but conveniently those 4000
> deaths a day were conveniently out of sight overseas and never on the
> nightly news. Now the deaths are 1000 times that and increasing.
> 4,000,000 a day dying worldwide and increasing every day, but nothing
> can be done, the coin has flipped and although the cockroaches may
> ultimately survive there seems little hope for humans.
>
> As your life and that of your grandchildren ebbs away you reflect back
> to the time many years ago when you drove your gas guzzling SUV down
> to the shore of Lake Michigan where there was always a refreshing
> breeze. It's not rained or snowed on the shores of Lake Michigan for
> years, now that lake bed is a vast desert, all the water has gone,
> over 1000 cubic miles of fresh water used to try and support the grain
> harvest and quench mouths. It's unbearably hot by day, bitingly cold
> by night. If only you had the sense, the balls and the common decency
> as a human being to do something about it back then. If you had then
> things could have been different. But instead you followed the
> ignorant crowd, the herd of those that couldn't be bothered at all
> about what happened many years down the line.
>
> Think about the legacy you are leaving for future generations. If all
> you leave are footprints, offspring and good memories that last
> forever then be proud, any other legacy will not be appreciated by
> future generations - if there are any future generations that is.
>
>
> --
dpb wrote:
> How does warming relate to the importation of exotic pests, pray tell?
Warming can allow _migration_ of pests. That's already happening in some parts
of the world. Not just pests, of course, but all manner of critters. Also,
some imported pests will survive in a warmer clime today compared to a cooler past.
> My hypothesis is that a similar situation will be
> discovered here.
Absent relevant facts, an equally plausible hypothesis.
Mike
On 19 Sep 2006 08:16:36 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>While, I know aspen is not a common wood for everyone the latest
>reports on stands of aspens dying should be troubling to us all that
>cherish wood.
>
>The scientists are not sure what's causing the stands to die off, but
>they
>are also not sure if this is a one time thing or not. Let's hope it's a
>one time thing!
>
>We are losing oaks here in the Pacific West, another variety of wood
>dying off
>is very disturbing.
>
>http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/08/11/321997-scientists-aspen-trees-in-west-dying
>
I witnessed something similar in Arizona maybe 15 years ago. I
thought I was being too observant but there were a *lot* of dead
trees.
I know it won't apply to anyone in here but if the lard assed yanks
used their legs (things on the bottom of the torso for those that have
forgotten) rather than a 4 ton SUV and wore less clothing at home/in
the office rather than turning up the aircon then maybe, just maybe
the trees might start growing again. As it is, and with the blinkered
"lets have carbon trading as its never uncle sams fault" the whole
planet is royally f*cked.
It's probably way too late as when you already have evidence of
massive releases of methane from formerly permafrosted ancient
marshland in Siberia, followed by a similar state of affairs when
tropical rainforests leaf litter decomposition overtakes the ability
of large trees to use it. Meltwater from Greenland and Antarctica will
rapidly raise sea levels making Katrina seem like a storm in a teacup
the lost ice sheets will alter the albedo of the earth's surface and
make it even hotter. Crops will massively fail worldwide for years on
end, wars will be fought over water and the human race could die out
faster than the dinosaurs.
Honk, honk, keep on driving and have a nice day :)
--
The liberal KOOKS blame everything on Bush. Why not blame this on Bush too?
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > > Live in central Wisconsin. More dead oak than alive.
>> >
>> > and in S.E. Michigan, most of the ash trees are dead or dying.
>>
>> What I've read, that's primarily owing to a new borer--I forget now how
>> it got here.
>>
>> And in TN/VA and up the Appalachian, as somebody else noted, there's
>> the gypsy moth that's the prime problem for the oaks.
>>
>> Up in the higher elevations of the Smokey Mtn's, the Fraser firs are
>> being decimated from the balsam woolly aphid.
>>
>> All of the above are imported pests from various sources as if there
>> weren't enough native. :(
>
> Perhaps it could be in part be due to warming - at least in the future,
> that could certainly play a role in these types of insect infestations.
> As I recall, the insect and small bug populations are the quickest
> inhabitants to adapt or die off due to changing environmental shifts.
>
> How many fractions of a degree of warming on a mountainside allows the
> lower elevation bugs to climb higher for more food supply? How many
> fractions of a degree brings more or less moisture which perhaps
> supports larger survival rates for these bugs?
> --
> Owen Lowe
> The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:42:04 GMT, "Hedley" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>PS - My SUV is only two and a half tons. I'm of the opinion that I am doing
>the world a favor by speeding up the process of ending our reliance on oil
>as an energy source. I'm simply using it all up. If you guys in Europe
>didn't pay the equivalent of 6$ a gallon, you'd be driving in comfort as
>well - instead of in little motorized metal gerbil cages.
$6 a gallon? Get real, due to the "light" composition of North Sea
crude and the subsequent ease of distillation the UK and Norway have
just about the cheapest petrol prices on the planet - maybe around 50
cents per US gallon. The difference is the tax that is added meaning
that recently its been nearer US$8.50 retail.
But, when you live in Europe, you can drive proper cars rather than
something resembling an HGV's that have been left out too long in the
rain. Cars with properly engineered chassis dynamics that enable you
to go round corners as well as in a straight line, cars that don't
have any cup holders, nor aircon, nor airbags, cars that weigh
around 0.7 tonnes and made of aluminium - yes aluminium is how it is
spelt. Cars powered by puny 1.8 litre (call it 110 cubic inches)
engines producing 120bhp - But with the car being so lightweight this
110 cubic inches gives acceleration of 0-60 in around 5 seconds and
130mph while also giving 45mpg in regular, more restrained use. Plus
you can drive it to the shops, put in a full weeks worth of shopping
in the boot, yes the boot, a trunk being something on the front of an
elephant, yet commute every day in perfect comfort and then race it on
the track on a weekend.
Quite simply an SUV is an overgrown planet destroying turd in
disguise. The civilised world knows what an utter abortion they are
both for other road users, and the future of human life on the planet.
As usual the majority of Americans sadly haven't got a clue. But
there are also a few brain dead Europeans who think an SUV is a
"status symbol" rather than what it really is - an indication of
inherent gross stupidity.
So from the part of the world that does give a toss, thanks for
f*cking up the planet for ever, just so you can drag your lard ass
down the burger joint to eat your hormone infested, antibiotic laden
"pure" beef......with fries of course :)
Have a nice day, the way the Americans are destroying the planet it
could be your last.
--
No, I think apathy will do us in.
"Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Hedley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> You've got some time on your hands, huh?
>>
> Total complacency. That's what will kill us all.
>
> Tim #w
>
>
>
I believe that to be true. While we only pay a fraction of our cost in
taxes, the EU folks pay a multiple around 2-3 times their "wholesale" price.
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Hedley" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you guys in Europe
>> didn't pay the equivalent of 6$ a gallon, you'd be driving in comfort as
>> well - instead of in little motorized metal gerbil cages.
>
> I read an Oregonian news article in the last 6 months or so which
> indicated Europeans are paying very similar prices for gas as we in the
> US do - the difference adds up from taxation.
> --
> Owen Lowe
> The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
In article <[email protected]>,
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Live in central Wisconsin. More dead oak than alive.
> >
> > and in S.E. Michigan, most of the ash trees are dead or dying.
>
> What I've read, that's primarily owing to a new borer--I forget now how
> it got here.
>
> And in TN/VA and up the Appalachian, as somebody else noted, there's
> the gypsy moth that's the prime problem for the oaks.
>
> Up in the higher elevations of the Smokey Mtn's, the Fraser firs are
> being decimated from the balsam woolly aphid.
>
> All of the above are imported pests from various sources as if there
> weren't enough native. :(
Perhaps it could be in part be due to warming - at least in the future,
that could certainly play a role in these types of insect infestations.
As I recall, the insect and small bug populations are the quickest
inhabitants to adapt or die off due to changing environmental shifts.
How many fractions of a degree of warming on a mountainside allows the
lower elevation bugs to climb higher for more food supply? How many
fractions of a degree brings more or less moisture which perhaps
supports larger survival rates for these bugs?
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
In article <[email protected]>,
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yep, plus I had intended to note that the Rockies (particularly the
> more southern ranges) have been under drought conditions for several
> years so it is quite possible it is simply a result of that and when
> we/they get a few years of near or above normal snowpack the "problem"
> will fix itself.
I seem to recall that one of the theorized outcomes for warming will be
a wetter northwest N. America and a drier southwest. If warming is truly
occurring then a few wetter years may relieve the problem temporarily,
only to resume when dry years follow.
BTW, the dryness of the southwest has been going on for upwards of 10
years. Lake Powell is practically a pond compared to a decade ago.
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
In article <[email protected]>,
"Hedley" <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you guys in Europe
> didn't pay the equivalent of 6$ a gallon, you'd be driving in comfort as
> well - instead of in little motorized metal gerbil cages.
I read an Oregonian news article in the last 6 months or so which
indicated Europeans are paying very similar prices for gas as we in the
US do - the difference adds up from taxation.
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
In article <[email protected]>,
"Tom" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The liberal KOOKS blame everything on Bush. Why not blame this on Bush too?
Tsk, tsk. A tad touchy, eh Tom?
So you, too, heard Bush was offering these bugs guest status and having
secret meetings with their bug queen, instructing them to infest our
forests! Ooooo, maybe he's double-crossing them and has developed a back
room "Apollo" project which has discovered a way to wean the US off our
"addiction" to foreign oil by fattening these bugs... invented engines
powered by renewable bug juice. Gotta love an inquisitive man of science!
Your loving liberal kook,
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:59:28 GMT, "Hedley" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The last thing on my mind is my contribution to greenhouse gasses and the
>THEORY of global warming. Wthat horse manure. Just because it's repeated
>enough does not make it true.
Fast forward a few years, you're been walking with your family for
weeks in the hope of finding a green land over the horizon. You're now
sheltering in a rusting SUV in the middle of nowhere, the military
have only a few weeks fuel and water reserves left and many of them
are deserting and going back to try and look after their families.
There is a dust storm outside and you have a dry throat, you've not
had a cold coke or beer for months. You're trying to explain to your
grandchildren why there is dust everywhere, no food and no water. You
finally admit that It's because many years ago you, along with all the
other fools ignored the signs. You and your government did jack shit
about global warming, as they thought it wouldn't affect them and
doing anything would hurt the economy.
The sea levels have since risen and flooded every coastal city, across
the continent soil blows away in the wind, grain harvests have failed
every year for the past decade and new seed is in short supply. Wars
have been fought worldwide for years over water, the wars over oil are
now a distant memory. Everywhere is turning back to desert. Bodies are
lying everywhere. The scenes of famine common in Africa for many years
are on the doorstep of every single American. Disease is rampant,
flies are everywhere and you know its only time before you and your
family become the next victims.
At the start of the 21st century 4000 people a day were dying due to
the lack of fresh water and good sanitation, more than died in the
terrorist attacks on September 11th 2001, but conveniently those 4000
deaths a day were conveniently out of sight overseas and never on the
nightly news. Now the deaths are 1000 times that and increasing.
4,000,000 a day dying worldwide and increasing every day, but nothing
can be done, the coin has flipped and although the cockroaches may
ultimately survive there seems little hope for humans.
As your life and that of your grandchildren ebbs away you reflect back
to the time many years ago when you drove your gas guzzling SUV down
to the shore of Lake Michigan where there was always a refreshing
breeze. It's not rained or snowed on the shores of Lake Michigan for
years, now that lake bed is a vast desert, all the water has gone,
over 1000 cubic miles of fresh water used to try and support the grain
harvest and quench mouths. It's unbearably hot by day, bitingly cold
by night. If only you had the sense, the balls and the common decency
as a human being to do something about it back then. If you had then
things could have been different. But instead you followed the
ignorant crowd, the herd of those that couldn't be bothered at all
about what happened many years down the line.
Think about the legacy you are leaving for future generations. If all
you leave are footprints, offspring and good memories that last
forever then be proud, any other legacy will not be appreciated by
future generations - if there are any future generations that is.
--
Live in central Wisconsin. More dead oak than alive.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> While, I know aspen is not a common wood for everyone the latest
> reports on stands of aspens dying should be troubling to us all that
> cherish wood.
>
> The scientists are not sure what's causing the stands to die off, but
> they
> are also not sure if this is a one time thing or not. Let's hope it's a
> one time thing!
>
> We are losing oaks here in the Pacific West, another variety of wood
> dying off
> is very disturbing.
>
> http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/08/11/321997-scientists-aspen-trees-in-west-dying
>
>
> MJ Wallace
>