After reading discussions in various forums, I have about decided that
the HVLP unit sold by HF, Rockler, and Woodcraft would be a good
investment to meet my modest and infrequent needs. But with that
decision progressing toward action, I saw a Wagner Fine Spray at
Lowes. Here is a link to Wagner's description of the unit:
http://www.wagnerspraytech.com/Wagne...ode=Fine_Spray
It is at the same $100 price-point as the HF/Rockler/Woodcraft unit,
but looks a little different cosmetically. It has a few slight
advantages over the other unit (20-ft hose instead of 15, two paint
cups, and a manual that looks to have been written or rewritten by
someone whose first language is English). Same country of origin, but
that's a pretty big country<g>. Anyone know if under the molded
plastic parts, this is the same unit? Anyone have any experience with
this unit?
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:39:27 -0400, alexy <[email protected]> wrote:
>Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>alexy wrote:
>>
>> > I haven't seen this Wagner HVLP in the HD I frequent--only their
>> > airless guns. What were the problems you experienced with this
>> > sprayer?
>>
>>Don't remember the model, might not have even been HVLP, it was a LONG
>>time ago.
>>
>>Wagner is never a consideration anymore.
>>
>Thanks, Lew. Sounds like your gripe is with Wagner in general, not
>this sprayer. I know nothing about their general reputation, although
>their marketing seems more aimed at painters than woodworkers/funiture
>makers/ cabinetmakers. I wonder if others have the same impression of
>Wagner.
I am not one to throw away tools, but the Wagner paint sprayer I
bought in the late 1980s was used once, put away for a couple years
(until the painful memory had faded). I then used it a second time and
a few minutes into the project I threw it in the trash. I believe it
was called a Power Painter or something like that. It definitely was
NOT an HVLP, it was a little airless POS, but had been advertised
extensively (and still is) showing easy painting of garage doors,
outside chairs, etc. Based on that item alone I will never trust or
buy another Wagner brand painting tool.
Dave Hall
Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
>alexy wrote:
>
> > I haven't seen this Wagner HVLP in the HD I frequent--only their
> > airless guns. What were the problems you experienced with this
> > sprayer?
>
>Don't remember the model, might not have even been HVLP, it was a LONG
>time ago.
>
>Wagner is never a consideration anymore.
>
Thanks, Lew. Sounds like your gripe is with Wagner in general, not
this sprayer. I know nothing about their general reputation, although
their marketing seems more aimed at painters than woodworkers/funiture
makers/ cabinetmakers. I wonder if others have the same impression of
Wagner.
>SFWIW, HF is advertising an HVLP unit for less than $15.
No compressor here, so it is a lot more than $15 for me<g>.
>
>Not a HF fan, but if it works only one time, you get $15 worth.
Yep. I'm not generally a fan of cheap tools either, but sometimes one
is all you need, and the price difference is better spent on wood or a
nice dinner!
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alexy wrote:
> I haven't seen this Wagner HVLP in the HD I frequent--only their
> airless guns. What were the problems you experienced with this
> sprayer?
Don't remember the model, might not have even been HVLP, it was a LONG
time ago.
Wagner is never a consideration anymore.
SFWIW, HF is advertising an HVLP unit for less than $15.
Not a HF fan, but if it works only one time, you get $15 worth.
Lew
alexy wrote:
> Thanks for the advice. My initial use will be for alkyd paint, if my
> airless is not doing the job. A fried who got an HVLP for a one-time
> kitchen cabinet job, but like me enjoys brushed on padded finishes on
> most projects, now is finding himself getting out the sprayer for more
> projects than he anticipated using it for.
The Wagner looks comparable to the other low-cost units.
I have NO experience spraying alkyd paint, so I can't comment on what
kind of job any of the units will do.
B A R R Y wrote:
> alexy wrote:
>> After reading discussions in various forums, I have about decided that
>> the HVLP unit sold by HF, Rockler, and Woodcraft would be a good
>> investment to meet my modest and infrequent needs. But with that
>> decision progressing toward action, I saw a Wagner Fine Spray at
>> Lowes. Here is a link to Wagner's description of the unit:
>> http://www.wagnerspraytech.com/Wagne...ode=Fine_Spray
>
> The link didn't work for me, but here's my general thoughts:
Try this one:
http://www.wagner-group.com/portal/wagner_finespray_spray,43209,747.html
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
I started out with this unit. It worked fine with General Finish's
waterborne poly. I
had orange peel when I used Hydrocote's water poly.
Ted
"alexy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> After reading discussions in various forums, I have about decided that
> the HVLP unit sold by HF, Rockler, and Woodcraft would be a good
> investment to meet my modest and infrequent needs. But with that
> decision progressing toward action, I saw a Wagner Fine Spray at
> Lowes. Here is a link to Wagner's description of the unit:
> http://www.wagnerspraytech.com/Wagne...ode=Fine_Spray
>
> It is at the same $100 price-point as the HF/Rockler/Woodcraft unit,
> but looks a little different cosmetically. It has a few slight
> advantages over the other unit (20-ft hose instead of 15, two paint
> cups, and a manual that looks to have been written or rewritten by
> someone whose first language is English). Same country of origin, but
> that's a pretty big country<g>. Anyone know if under the molded
> plastic parts, this is the same unit? Anyone have any experience with
> this unit?
> --
> Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked
> infrequently.
B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>alexy wrote:
>> After reading discussions in various forums, I have about decided that
>> the HVLP unit sold by HF, Rockler, and Woodcraft would be a good
>> investment to meet my modest and infrequent needs. But with that
>> decision progressing toward action, I saw a Wagner Fine Spray at
>> Lowes. Here is a link to Wagner's description of the unit:
>> http://www.wagnerspraytech.com/Wagne...ode=Fine_Spray
>
>The link didn't work for me, but here's my general thoughts:
Sorry about the bad link. Here's one that should work:
http://www.wagner-group.com/portal/wagner_finespray_spray,43209,747.html
>I have the HF/Rockler/Woodcraft unit and a Fuji MM4 4 stage turbine setup.
>
>- The biggest pain about cheaper units is that they are usually
>"bleeder" units that will blow dust around and wrinkle wet finish with
>bleed air, if you're not paying attention.
>
>- The cheaper units will MAKE you learn to properly thin finishes and
>learn to use a viscosity cup. As the only adjustment on the tool is
>fluid quantity, you must get the viscosity right for good results. This
>is actually a good thing for a beginner.
>
>- The cheap units are incredibly easy to clean. This is also a good
>thing, because dirty guns kill results faster than a dust storm!
>
>- Practice, practice, practice! ALWAYS test your setup on plywood or
>cardboard, as described in all of the books I mentioned above.
>
>- Check out "Spray finishing" published by Taunton, as well as Jeff
>Jewett's and Bob Flexner's books, and JJ's homesteadfinishing.com web site.
>
>- In my experience, solvent based lacquers, are easiest to spray and
>thin. With proper health and fire precautions, they aren't scary or all
>that bad.
>
>- Shellac sprays better with some 100% isopropyl alchohol added to slow
>drying speed.
>
>- Keep in mind that until you get lots of experience, many finishes may
>still need at least a light rubbing out. It's often faster to simply
>quickly rub it out with pumice and rottenstone, rather than continue to
>respray.
>
>- Keep a small $0.29 notebook with the equipment and keep detailed notes
>of viscosity cup timings, finish mixing formulas, and weather info for
>specific products you use. You'll really appreciate this after you
>haven't sprayed for a while.
>
>- Stick with the same brand of thinners and other additives as the
>finish itself. This may or may not cost more, but will definitely
>ensure consistent results and 100% compatibility.
>
>
>
>Spraying is fun, so enjoy yourself!
Thanks for the advice. My initial use will be for alkyd paint, if my
airless is not doing the job. A fried who got an HVLP for a one-time
kitchen cabinet job, but like me enjoys brushed on padded finishes on
most projects, now is finding himself getting out the sprayer for more
projects than he anticipated using it for.
--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.
alexy wrote:
> After reading discussions in various forums, I have about decided that
> the HVLP unit sold by HF, Rockler, and Woodcraft would be a good
> investment to meet my modest and infrequent needs. But with that
> decision progressing toward action, I saw a Wagner Fine Spray at
> Lowes. Here is a link to Wagner's description of the unit:
> http://www.wagnerspraytech.com/Wagne...ode=Fine_Spray
The link didn't work for me, but here's my general thoughts:
I have the HF/Rockler/Woodcraft unit and a Fuji MM4 4 stage turbine setup.
- The biggest pain about cheaper units is that they are usually
"bleeder" units that will blow dust around and wrinkle wet finish with
bleed air, if you're not paying attention.
- The cheaper units will MAKE you learn to properly thin finishes and
learn to use a viscosity cup. As the only adjustment on the tool is
fluid quantity, you must get the viscosity right for good results. This
is actually a good thing for a beginner.
- The cheap units are incredibly easy to clean. This is also a good
thing, because dirty guns kill results faster than a dust storm!
- Practice, practice, practice! ALWAYS test your setup on plywood or
cardboard, as described in all of the books I mentioned above.
- Check out "Spray finishing" published by Taunton, as well as Jeff
Jewett's and Bob Flexner's books, and JJ's homesteadfinishing.com web site.
- In my experience, solvent based lacquers, are easiest to spray and
thin. With proper health and fire precautions, they aren't scary or all
that bad.
- Shellac sprays better with some 100% isopropyl alchohol added to slow
drying speed.
- Keep in mind that until you get lots of experience, many finishes may
still need at least a light rubbing out. It's often faster to simply
quickly rub it out with pumice and rottenstone, rather than continue to
respray.
- Keep a small $0.29 notebook with the equipment and keep detailed notes
of viscosity cup timings, finish mixing formulas, and weather info for
specific products you use. You'll really appreciate this after you
haven't sprayed for a while.
- Stick with the same brand of thinners and other additives as the
finish itself. This may or may not cost more, but will definitely
ensure consistent results and 100% compatibility.
Spraying is fun, so enjoy yourself!
Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
>B A R R Y wrote:
>
> >
> > The Wagner looks comparable to the other low-cost units.
>
>Didn't know any better, bought a Wagner unit along with a heat gun in
>a package from Home Depot.
>
>At least the heat gun worked.
>
>Lew
I haven't seen this Wagner HVLP in the HD I frequent--only their
airless guns. What were the problems you experienced with this
sprayer? Inquiring minds want to know (before plunking down
hard-earned cash!)
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I bought one of their early power rollers. You used a viscosity cup to get the right thickness, put
the can of paint in the contraption, and it pumped the paint to a roller. Darn thing worked great.
I've used it to paint some 6-8 houses (not rooms, houses) with my neighbor over the years. Darn
thing will work you to death on the ceilings. 15 minutes per gallon applied, and darn near zero
splatter. A great machine for the money.
On the other hand, I have one of the sprayers also. If it was bigger it could be filled with cement
and used as a boat anchor. I've used it to help a buddy put two coats on his house. We should have
brushed it on.
Regards,
Roy
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:28:05 -0400, Dave Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:39:27 -0400, alexy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>alexy wrote:
>>>
>>> > I haven't seen this Wagner HVLP in the HD I frequent--only their
>>> > airless guns. What were the problems you experienced with this
>>> > sprayer?
>>>
>>>Don't remember the model, might not have even been HVLP, it was a LONG
>>>time ago.
>>>
>>>Wagner is never a consideration anymore.
>>>
>>Thanks, Lew. Sounds like your gripe is with Wagner in general, not
>>this sprayer. I know nothing about their general reputation, although
>>their marketing seems more aimed at painters than woodworkers/funiture
>>makers/ cabinetmakers. I wonder if others have the same impression of
>>Wagner.
>
>I am not one to throw away tools, but the Wagner paint sprayer I
>bought in the late 1980s was used once, put away for a couple years
>(until the painful memory had faded). I then used it a second time and
>a few minutes into the project I threw it in the trash. I believe it
>was called a Power Painter or something like that. It definitely was
>NOT an HVLP, it was a little airless POS, but had been advertised
>extensively (and still is) showing easy painting of garage doors,
>outside chairs, etc. Based on that item alone I will never trust or
>buy another Wagner brand painting tool.
>
>Dave Hall