Yes.
I am Norwegian. And I do a bit of woodworking, though I'm not to be
considered a professional.
However, it is rather pathetic to see how one small sentence, put on display
by this 'JP' fellow,
could trigger such an avalanche of all-but-objective trash. May you be
comfortable by presenting
yourselves so thoroughly. Happy woodworking.
Kjell
"Kazoo" <[email protected]> skrev i melding
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:31:54 -0400, Jay Pique wrote:
>
> > Anyone out there from Norway?
> >
> > Just curious.
> >
> > JP
>
> Probably, Isn't it Good ?
> that Norwegian wood ?
>
> --
> Jone's Law:
> The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone
> to blame it on.
>
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:09:41 -0400, "Ambrose"
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>That best place list is really strange. It's like Norway, Sweden, Australia,
>Canada, Netherlands. And Americas is eighth even with all the street gang
>violence out of control immigration and constant exporting of jobs.
Well, the funny thing is, Perth Western Australia was recently shown
as the most boring capital city or some such, because of the (and I
paraphrase) "lack of racial, social, economic and religious tension".
Serious.
> Ok, I love Canada despite the winters and Australia makes sense even
>though all my friends there complain about immigrants and government
>meddling and how most want to come to America or England
Well I wouldn't go _that_ far! <G>
(interesting rant sniped<G>)
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 17:04:45 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
>The only good thing about a lutefisk dinner is the swedish meatballs,
>mashed potatoes and lefse! served along with it.
What about the Norwegian hottie that serves it?
JP
"Ray L. Nutz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > ... Actually, now that I think about it,
> > > does anyone in Norway even have internet access?
> >
> > Last I heard, they did in Tromso.
>
> out of 4.5 million norwegians there are 2.5 million internet accounts.
> so I would say just about every family is hooked up.
>
> Jaap
No, there are only 5 Norwegians with internet access. The rub is that each
one of them has 500,000 internet accounts.
"Old Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4 Jul 2004 16:32:42 -0700, [email protected] (Trishia Rose)
> vaguely proposed a theory
> ......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
> >I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> >country as impoverished and unstable as Norway
>
> Which just came either 1st os second as the best place to live in the
> world.
That best place list is really strange. It's like Norway, Sweden, Australia,
Canada, Netherlands. And Americas is eighth even with all the street gang
violence out of control immigration and constant exporting of jobs.
Ok, I love Canada despite the winters and Australia makes sense even
though all my friends there complain about immigrants and government
meddling and how most want to come to America or England
I don't know about poverty in Norway but I have Norwegian friends from
when I was stationed in Europe and they all write complaining about dead end
jobs and frustrations about the bureaucratic difficulties of something as
simple as moving to a new flat, and I've even gotten overtures about getting
sponsors for a couple of them to move to the US. In the eighties my band
played a lot in Sweden and like Norway the weather just out right sucks,
think Northern Canada without the sunny days. I spent off an on maybe a
year in Sweden and there are like four weeks of real summer a year. I
remember having to wear a denim jacket when we played an outdoor concert for
some summer solstice event. I always like the people in any country I'm in,
but my main memory is that concert. Everyone was crazy drunk, and it was so
damn cold my fingers hurt, oh and someone ripped off our hotel rooms, but of
course that can happen anywhere. The Netherlands confuses me a bit. A friend
who served with in intelligence when I was stationed over there is a police
detective and writes that the crime in Amsterdam is pretty ugly, that the
vaunted free attitudes about sex have caused out of control problems of
underage girls in the sex trade, and that official meddling makes it
extremely difficult to deal with rapists and pedophiles. He says people
there are mystified that Kobe was even charged. Unless a girl is badly
beaten up rape is an awfully hard charge to bring. In spite of legal
prostitution there are still a very high rape numbers, which according to
him are along with child molestation numbers officially kept quiet. Also he
says that though pot is legal that there are really serious X and heroin
problems and that Meth is moving in the lower classes and that the official
stats on HIV etc are usually meddled with. I admit I don't remember being
very happy when my band played in the Netherlands, but that was incidental:
bad bookings and rip-off deals by club owners and attractive women who
looked clean but had the clap who didn't seem to care enough to get it
treated (I didn't get it but two of my bandmates did) but other than that,
The Netherlands seemed very little different from any of the cross channel
northern Euro countries, Just my opinion of course, but 4th best country to
live in the world? I guess those people at the UN who made the list really
like the reefer.
Ambrose
[email protected] (Trishia Rose) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Anyone out there from Norway?
> >
> > Just curious.
> >
> > JP
>
> I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
> time and resources to pursue such luxurious endeavors as woodworking?
> I understand it is quite natural and something of a psychological
> defense to divert oneself with some trivial game or other distraction
> during the final days before starvation, but woodworking seems rather
> an illogical conduit for this. Actually, now that I think about it,
> does anyone in Norway even have internet access? I would think with
> the state of things over there, there are a lot of other things they
> could spend their money on that would help them crawl closer towards
> third world status...
I don't know where you got your information from, but Norway is NOT
impoverished. Far from it, they are the wealthiest country in
Scandinavia, which is why they didn't join the EU.
They find time for woodworking, because it is a tradition and because
the winters are freaking long and dark.
Only their disgusting moslum immigrants ("poor refugees") are keeping
them out of the civilised world.
"User 1.nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > > I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> > country as impoverished and unstable as Norway,
>
> I just returned from 10 days in the Norwegian fjiords....if that is poverty,
> how do I emigrate? (minimum wage is approx $20. USD)
Yes, but when one is taxed at 68% or more and the price of most
anything is incredibly high....
[email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Stein R <[email protected]> writes:
> >[email protected] (M?rten) wrote in
> >news:[email protected]:
>
> >> Yes, but when one is taxed at 68% or more and the price of most
> >> anything is incredibly high....
> >>
>
> [elided]
>
> > I have no clue where your 68% taxes come from, but it is pure
> >poppycock, probably based on a total misunderstanding of how our
> >tax system works.
>
> What do you expect from a swede? :-)
>
> scott
> >
> > Grin,
> > Stein
> >
A Swede who makes twice as much money as Stein and is taxed up the ass...
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:47:54 GMT, "Inger E Johansson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:09:24 GMT, "Inger E Johansson"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> But how much does that $20 buy?
Lessee... 100 crowns an hour. 6 hour day. 5 days a week. 12000 a
month. 8000 of that to rent, electricity, phone etc. leaves 130 a day
to live on. That's pretty thight in the capital (i speak from
experience; as full time student, I've lived on half that), but I'm
told rents plummet once you move out in the bush.
100 crowns buys you five cups of fancy coffee. Or a cheap pocket
radio. Or a paperback. Two soups de jour. Two thirds of a standard
cell phone card. A 5-pack of underwear. five loaves of good bread or
twenty cheap ones. Three to four tins of spaghetti a la capri. One
third of a preserved sheep's leg. Ten nationwide tabloid papers, or
four intellectual sleep pill papers.
Oh, but I forgot taxes. They'll take anything from 5 to 30 of those
crowns, depending on strange and eldritch laws which men were not
meant to figure out...
>> >Not a flat that's for sure.....
>>
>> A friend of mine is thinking of buying a flat in Oslo.
>>
>> Cheaper than England these days !
>
>No definitely not. A relative of mine had to move home to Sweden when he and
>his fiance broke up. A flat in Oslo cost much more than any of all my
>friends in England, outside London's best districts, every have seen when
>looking around for flats.
>
>I am sure that your friend either must have a lot of money or very good
>connections and I am also sure that he doesn't have the full picture of what
>it will cost him to get a flat with all it takes over a year or two. Most
>flats are owned by the person who lives in the flat. Your friend will not
>find it easy to find a rental flat if he doesn't have very good connection.
>The prices for a flat you buy aren't anything but very very expensive. Maybe
>your friend thinks of secondhand-rental of a flat or as most young ones
>moving to Oslo from abroad do - sharing a flat with 3-4 other persons.
Register as a student. Cheap rental flats. Or stay at a hostel while
you familiarize yourself with the city and search for a good offer.
Beware of rot. A lot of old apartments. Lots of woodwork, plasterwork,
antique piping and wiring. Prices don't fall as you move toward the
periphery, but square meters per apartment do. Never, ever move into a
one room, unless you plan to embark on the thorny way of the Urban
Hermit.
...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:31:54 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
> Anyone out there from Norway?
Couple of generations back, close enough?
mvh,
Dave Hinz
Trishia Rose wrote:
> I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
[...]
> the state of things over there, there are a lot of other things they
> could spend their money on that would help them crawl closer towards
> third world status...
No no no! You have to be more subtle when you troll, otherwise it just
seems... stupid.
/Fredrik
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:31:26 GMT, Ken Johnsen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Troll
Yes, it was. Favor please, Ken? Don't repost troll's messages, as
it allows the troll's trolling to get past filters that have been
set up to block just that.
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:35:45 GMT, Kazoo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Well I don't know if your replying to mine specifically, but I was quoting
> a rather harmless beatles song ... !,
Naah, there was a troll who wandered in and, like a child craving
attention, spouted a load of noise. Just a troll, nothing to worry
about.
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:45:23 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I was interested in knowing whether or not there were regular
> participants to rec.woodworking that were also habitants of Norway.
> Come fall I will also be posing the same inquiry to rec.skiing.alpine.
> My next significant trip will be to the Scandinavian peninsula and I
> was hoping to meet some (friendly) natives that might be able to give
> me the inside scoop on what to do and see while I'm there.
Drop me an email, I've been over there a couple of times, and my
folks are over there right now. Be happy to give suggestions.
Dave Hinz
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:32:24 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9 Jul 2004 15:51:24 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Drop me an email...
>
> Done. I didn't know spamcop was an email server!
Yeah, they block 98 or 99 percent of the spam that would get to my
inbox, and I've never had a real message end up in the "junk" bucket.
Oddly enough, first time I saw a "hotmail" account, I figured it was
porn spam...now I think about it, it probably was...
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:39:16 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10 Jul 2004 13:49:04 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, they block 98 or 99 percent of the spam that would get to my
>>inbox, and I've never had a real message end up in the "junk" bucket.
>>Oddly enough, first time I saw a "hotmail" account, I figured it was
>>porn spam...now I think about it, it probably was...
>
> That's a real issue with Hotmail accounts. If what you say is true -
> and it's free - I'm definitely going to go with spamcop.
Well, it's not free, it's like 30 bucks a year. For me, 8 cents a day
or whatever it works out to...
> This what I
> love about usenet - the transfer of information. The internet is an
> amazing vehicle for the transfer of information. It has so rapidly
> increased my rate of learning that it's become invaluable to me.
Yay internet!
> Save for a couple of decks and doorways, I'd never done any real
> woodworking at all up until very recently. Six months ago I walked
> into a cabinetmakers shop and asked for a job. He said yes, and from
> that time forward I've been a professional (read "minimally paid")
> woodworker. During this short period of time, I feel that I've more
> than quadrupled my rate of learning simply by spending enjoyable time
> on the internet.
Well, it doesn't hurt to get real experience either, even if the guy
you're working for doesn't do things the most careful way. If he's
accomodating, no reason you can't try out new techniques to do things
a bit better, while getting things done for the boss.
> "Seemingly learning only through experience" should probably have been
> tattooed on my forehead. While I've always been capable of learning,
> I've never actually thrilled to the pursuit of knowledge. It's
> probably due to a combination of things, not the least of which is my
> true desire to become a woodworker, but I now believe that the pursuit
> and acquisition of knowledge *is* the meaning of life. There are
> varying levels of uptake, but we are all constantly exposed to new
> stimuli, which dictates how we perceive reality. Our perception then
> provides the roadmap for how we live our lives. Perception is reality
> - to ourselves.
You've been thinking ;)
> If this is - and I believe it to be - true, then I'm a huge proponent
> of proponent of more stimuli - more learning - MORE experience.
> Change your life! It'll make your smarter. By being smarter you're
> more capable of making good, well informed decisions. Success yields
> happiness.
Yup.
> ....oops! I'm late for a date with my mate. Sorry for the ramble.
It's OK, by all means. Much more on-topic than lots of the stuff
around here sometimes.
Dave
P.S. I'll let you know what the guys in Norway have to say, the one
I'm thinking of is near Hamar, about an hour or two north of Oslo.
Fredrik Nikala wrote:
> Soup, salad, kåldolme, all of above?
And here I must blame my bad English, for remembering the wrong vegetable.
What you do with a swede is "rotmos".
80% potatoes, 10% each of carrot and above mentioned swede.
Hack and boil the swede and carrots for about ten to fifteen minutes,
then add the potatoes.
Boil until soft.
Remove water, add salt and pepper.
Mash. Add butter and milk at your leisure.
>
> Or a cup of coffee. You may always get a cup of coffee from av Swede.
>
> Mmm... Coffee. Black as a moonless night, in winter, when no snow...
This still stands.
/Fredrik
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:16:08 +0200, "Kjell Bæverfjord"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Yes.
>I am Norwegian. And I do a bit of woodworking, though I'm not to be
>considered a professional.
I was interested in knowing whether or not there were regular
participants to rec.woodworking that were also habitants of Norway.
Come fall I will also be posing the same inquiry to rec.skiing.alpine.
My next significant trip will be to the Scandinavian peninsula and I
was hoping to meet some (friendly) natives that might be able to give
me the inside scoop on what to do and see while I'm there.
Happy woodworking.
JP
>However, I would be more than willing to buy you a beer and introduce you
> to a bunch of hot Norwegian babes if you ever come visit.
>Kjell
>
>
>"Kazoo" <[email protected]> skrev i melding
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:31:54 -0400, Jay Pique wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone out there from Norway?
>> >
>> > Just curious.
>> >
>> > JP
>>
>> Probably, Isn't it Good ?
>> that Norwegian wood ?
>>
>> --
>> Jone's Law:
>> The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone
>> to blame it on.
>>
>
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:23:14 +0200, Njygaard <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:
>On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:47:39 -0400, "II+0***" <127.00.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ray L. Nutz" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>No, there are only 5 Norwegians with internet access. The rub is that each
>>one of them has 500,000 internet accounts.
>
>Ayyy! He's onto us! Release the wolves! Send out the Navy! He Must Be
>SILENCED!
I know about it, too, but I can be bought instantly! My silence will
cost you mere pennies in comparison: one Stefan Ronnqvist Viking axe
(sorry, it's Svedish). Got my address?
Once I receive it (and if Ray is close enough to me) I'll ask
him for his silence as well...as I show him the axe.
Deal?
-----
= Dain Bramaged...but having lots of fun! =
http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Anyone out there from Norway?
>
> Just curious.
>
My father was from Norway and a woodworker. That's as close as I can come
Ken
"AArDvarK" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<KOcGc.12896$z81.3659@fed1read01>...
> Crap what a sickeningly disrespectful reply! Troll-ette!
>
> NORWAY! AWESOME COUNTRY of a peaceful people!
>
> Alex
They did the best damn opening and closing shows of any Winter
Olympics that I've ever seen. It was within the last 10 years..
awesome show. I'm so wanting to see it in person. robbielynn
[email protected] (Trishia Rose) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Anyone out there from Norway?
> >
> > Just curious.
> >
> > JP
>
> I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
> time and resources to pursue such luxurious endeavors as woodworking?
> I understand it is quite natural and something of a psychological
> defense to divert oneself with some trivial game or other distraction
> during the final days before starvation, but woodworking seems rather
> an illogical conduit for this. Actually, now that I think about it,
> does anyone in Norway even have internet access? I would think with
> the state of things over there, there are a lot of other things they
> could spend their money on that would help them crawl closer towards
> third world status...
Norway quite stable and wealthy. They have not been overun by Muslims
or asylum spongers like the rest of Europe. The Norweigians are
actually pretty smart and they put asylum spongers in camps in
northern Norway and give them cold fish for each meal. This
discourages asylum seeker rapists from going to Norway. I think you
have confused Norway with France.
Also Norway has lots of wood, like you head, and the Norwegians,
Danes, Swedes and Finns make some incredible furniture.
[email protected] (Fred the Red Shirt) writes:
>Yes but they cannot afford sandpaper so they use dried lutefish instead.
Can you dry it? I thought the slime was a permanent feature.
>
>Beats eating the stuff.
Drown it in enough melted butter so you don't taste it. Wrap it in
a bit of lefse.
The only good thing about a lutefisk dinner is the swedish meatballs,
mashed potatoes and lefse! served along with it.
scott
Stein R <[email protected]> writes:
>[email protected] (M?rten) wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>> Yes, but when one is taxed at 68% or more and the price of most
>> anything is incredibly high....
>>
[elided]
> I have no clue where your 68% taxes come from, but it is pure
>poppycock, probably based on a total misunderstanding of how our
>tax system works.
What do you expect from a swede? :-)
scott
>
> Grin,
> Stein
>
On 4 Jul 2004, Trishia Rose wrote:
> Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Anyone out there from Norway?
> >
>
> I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
> time and resources to pursue such luxurious endeavors as woodworking?
> ....
> Actually, now that I think about it,
> does anyone in Norway even have internet access? I would think with
> the state of things over there, there are a lot of other things they
> could spend their money on that would help them crawl closer towards
> third world status...
>
Not only that, but there are no trees in Norway, so wood has to be
imported from tree-rich countries in North Africa and the Middle East :-)
:-)
"The trouble with irony is that if it used TOO well, people will
take it seriously!"
(USENET readers are advised to buy an "irony meter"!)
<irony(OFF)>
Some words to look for are "treskjaering" and "rosemaling"
Example:
"http://www.treskjerartunet.no/"
But my favourite Norwegian woodwork:
"http://www.treski.no/"
--
David Dermott , Wolfville Ridge, Nova Scotia, Canada
email: [email protected]
WWW pages: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/dermott/
[email protected] (Trishia Rose) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> Anyone out there from Norway?
>>
>> Just curious.
>>
>> JP
>
> I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
> time and resources to pursue such luxurious endeavors as woodworking?
I am from Norway. What is "wood" ? Is that some special kind of rock ?
We have rocks, and we carve them rocks. With dried herrings. Heck of a
job it is, too - that fish really must be *dry* before you can carve
rock with it.
> I understand it is quite natural and something of a psychological
> defense to divert oneself with some trivial game or other distraction
> during the final days before starvation, but woodworking seems rather
> an illogical conduit for this.
Starvation ? Nah, not as long as we have all them rocks to eat. Try
a fistful of gravel the next time you feel hungry - you won't feel so
hungry after swallowing three or four kilos of gravel.
> Actually, now that I think about it, does anyone in Norway even have
> internet access?
We just carve our messages on rocks and throw them at the tourists.
They get the message :-)
> I would think with the state of things over there, there are a lot
> of other things they could spend their money on that would help
> them crawl closer towards third world status...
Yah ! Like fixing the poor skiing conditions in the lowland this
time of year. It is hard to pull my sled of rocks across the fields
when there is no snow. Big problem.
Grin,
Stein (which just happens to mean "stone/rock" in english ..)
[email protected] (M?rten) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "User 1.nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> > > I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
>> > country as impoverished and unstable as Norway,
>>
>> I just returned from 10 days in the Norwegian fjiords....if that is
>> poverty, how do I emigrate? (minimum wage is approx $20. USD)
>
> Yes, but when one is taxed at 68% or more and the price of most
> anything is incredibly high....
>
Bollocks. 68% in direct taxes on a minimum wage ? I made 662 000
norwegian kroner last year (a tad over 92 000 US dollars at an
exchange rate of about 7 NOK = 1 USD), and I paid 173 000 kroner
(24 000 USD) in taxes (56 000 NOK in regular national taxes, 77
000 NOK in local taxes and 40 000 NOK in national "top taxes", aka
"fleece the people with above average income").
Paying 24 000 USD on an income of 92 000 USD is about 26% direct
taxes.
In addition I paid a mandatory 7.6% of my gross income, which came
out to 51 000 NOK (USD 7 300), into the fund for public health insur-
ance + old age pensions.
If you want to call that taxes, feel free to add 7.6% to the 26%
I paid in direct taxes, for a total of 33.6% in *direct* payments
to the government, but at the same time add your costs for health
insurance, old age savings.
For that I get services that I feel is well worth the cost. YMMV.
48 weeks of paid maternity leave for my wife, totally free health
care for my kids until age 18 (adults pay a small co-payment for
health costs they amass, up to a max amount per year), not having
to save money to put my kids through college - we pay for the edu-
cation of our kids as part of our general taxes - no local property
tax to finance local schools, okay public transit, and all the other
stuff you expect national or local government to provide.
You can do a bit of number magic to make the taxes appear to be
higher - you can e.g. add in sales tax. There is a 12% or 24% sales
tax on most stuff I might buy with the 66.4% of my income I can
spend as I damned well like, which is also a form of taxation, but
for all practical purposes that is already included in your claim
"the price of anything is incredibly high", since our prices are
given *including* sales tax - they don't add the sales tax at the
cash register.
Still - let us add that in. Let us assume I don't save anything and
don't spend anything outside Norway - both untrue assumptions. Further,
let us assume 24% sales tax on everything I buy.
Gross income: 92 000 USD
Direct Taxes: 24 000 USD
Health/old age: 7 300 USD
Left to spend: 60 700 USD
24% of 60 700 USD is 14 500 USD. Let's add that to the rest and
see how high we can make my taxes be if we every odd and end at the
wall to see if it will stay there -
24 000 + 7 300 + 14 500 = 45 800 USD
Original income: 92 000 USD. Nope - I am still under 50% taxes, to
be precise 45800/92000 = 49.8% taxes, even if you make worst case
assumptions about how I will spend my money and be hit by the sales
taxes, and if you add health insurance and old age pensions.
If you deduct health and old age, but keep direct taxes (24 000 USD)
*plus* sales taxes (max 14 500 USD), then my total tax burden is
38 500 USD, or 41.8% of my gross income. And all my taxes and health
insurance still leaves me with about 60 000 USD a year to spend as I
like.
I have no clue where your 68% taxes come from, but it is pure
poppycock, probably based on a total misunderstanding of how our
tax system works.
Grin,
Stein
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:09:24 GMT, "Inger E Johansson"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> But how much does that $20 buy?
> >
> >Not a flat that's for sure.....
>
> A friend of mine is thinking of buying a flat in Oslo.
>
> Cheaper than England these days !
No definitely not. A relative of mine had to move home to Sweden when he and
his fiance broke up. A flat in Oslo cost much more than any of all my
friends in England, outside London's best districts, every have seen when
looking around for flats.
I am sure that your friend either must have a lot of money or very good
connections and I am also sure that he doesn't have the full picture of what
it will cost him to get a flat with all it takes over a year or two. Most
flats are owned by the person who lives in the flat. Your friend will not
find it easy to find a rental flat if he doesn't have very good connection.
The prices for a flat you buy aren't anything but very very expensive. Maybe
your friend thinks of secondhand-rental of a flat or as most young ones
moving to Oslo from abroad do - sharing a flat with 3-4 other persons.
Inger E
>
In article <KOcGc.12896$z81.3659@fed1read01>, [email protected] says...
>
>
>
>NORWAY! AWESOME COUNTRY of a peaceful people!
You say that now, but just wait until the warrior-laden longships sail
into YOUR harbor!
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Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Anyone out there from Norway?
>
> Just curious.
>
> JP
I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
time and resources to pursue such luxurious endeavors as woodworking?
I understand it is quite natural and something of a psychological
defense to divert oneself with some trivial game or other distraction
during the final days before starvation, but woodworking seems rather
an illogical conduit for this. Actually, now that I think about it,
does anyone in Norway even have internet access? I would think with
the state of things over there, there are a lot of other things they
could spend their money on that would help them crawl closer towards
third world status...
On 12 Jul 2004 14:06:40 -0700, [email protected] (FransHals)
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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Careful. We (Oz) use the "desert and raw rabbit" approach, and are
being bagged by the world's well-meaners. ,g.
>Norway quite stable and wealthy. They have not been overun by Muslims
>or asylum spongers like the rest of Europe. The Norweigians are
>actually pretty smart and they put asylum spongers in camps in
>northern Norway and give them cold fish for each meal. This
>discourages asylum seeker rapists from going to Norway. I think you
>have confused Norway with France.
>
>Also Norway has lots of wood, like you head, and the Norwegians,
>Danes, Swedes and Finns make some incredible furniture.
Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Anyone out there from Norway?
>
> Just curious.
>
> JP
See a lot of woodworking at Nordic fest in Decorah IA this month.
They always have guest woodworkers from norway.
http://www.nordicfest.com/home.asp
Scott
On 4 Jul 2004 16:32:42 -0700, [email protected] (Trishia Rose)
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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>I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
>country as impoverished and unstable as Norway
Which just came either 1st os second as the best place to live in the
world.
Jay Pique <[email protected]> writes:
>On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 17:04:45 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
>wrote:
>
>>The only good thing about a lutefisk dinner is the swedish meatballs,
>>mashed potatoes and lefse! served along with it.
>
>What about the Norwegian hottie that serves it?
>
They're all in Norway. Hottie and Wisconsin don't seem to go
together.
scott
(alright, enough flames already).
User 1.nospam wrote:
>> > I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
>> country as impoverished and unstable as Norway,
>
> I just returned from 10 days in the Norwegian fjiords....if that is
> poverty,
> how do I emigrate? (minimum wage is approx $20. USD)
But how much does that $20 buy?
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Trishia: Either you're trying to be amusing and failing badly, or you
know absolutely nothing about Norway. Norway, for example, is one of
the richest countries in the entire world.
[email protected] (Trishia Rose) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Anyone out there from Norway?
> >
> > Just curious.
> >
> > JP
>
> I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
> time and resources to pursue such luxurious endeavors as woodworking?
> I understand it is quite natural and something of a psychological
> defense to divert oneself with some trivial game or other distraction
> during the final days before starvation, but woodworking seems rather
> an illogical conduit for this. Actually, now that I think about it,
> does anyone in Norway even have internet access? I would think with
> the state of things over there, there are a lot of other things they
> could spend their money on that would help them crawl closer towards
> third world status...
[email protected] (Trishia Rose) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Anyone out there from Norway?
> >
> > Just curious.
> >
> > JP
>
> I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
> time and resources to pursue such luxurious endeavors as woodworking?
Yes but they cannot afford sandpaper so they use dried lutefish instead.
Beats eating the stuff.
> ... Actually, now that I think about it,
> does anyone in Norway even have internet access?
Last I heard, they did in Tromso.
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[email protected] (FeAudrey) wrote:
>In article <KOcGc.12896$z81.3659@fed1read01>, [email protected] says...
>>
>>
>>
>>NORWAY! AWESOME COUNTRY of a peaceful people!
>
>
>You say that now, but just wait until the warrior-laden longships sail
>into YOUR harbor!
Haha. Those silly Vikings.
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:09:24 GMT, "Inger E Johansson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> But how much does that $20 buy?
>
>Not a flat that's for sure.....
A friend of mine is thinking of buying a flat in Oslo.
Cheaper than England these days !
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:49:33 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
>Stein R <[email protected]> writes:
>>[email protected] (M?rten) wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>
>>> Yes, but when one is taxed at 68% or more and the price of most
>>> anything is incredibly high....
>>>
>
> [elided]
>
>> I have no clue where your 68% taxes come from, but it is pure
>>poppycock, probably based on a total misunderstanding of how our
>>tax system works.
>
>What do you expect from a swede? :-)
I dunno. What do you expect from a swede?
...
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:47:39 -0400, "II+0***" <127.00.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>"Ray L. Nutz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > > ... Actually, now that I think about it,
>> > > does anyone in Norway even have internet access?
>> >
>> > Last I heard, they did in Tromso.
>>
>> out of 4.5 million norwegians there are 2.5 million internet accounts.
>> so I would say just about every family is hooked up.
>>
>> Jaap
>
>No, there are only 5 Norwegians with internet access. The rub is that each
>one of them has 500,000 internet accounts.
Ayyy! He's onto us! Release the wolves! Send out the Navy! He Must Be
SILENCED!
...
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:16:08 +0200, Kjell Bæverfjord wrote:
> Yes.
> I am Norwegian. And I do a bit of woodworking, though I'm not to be
> considered a professional.
> However, it is rather pathetic to see how one small sentence, put on display
> by this 'JP' fellow,
> could trigger such an avalanche of all-but-objective trash. May you be
> comfortable by presenting
> yourselves so thoroughly. Happy woodworking.
> Kjell
Well I don't know if your replying to mine specifically, but I was quoting
a rather harmless beatles song ... !, I for one could care less about
Norway's financial success, though I certainly wish them all the best.
Happy Woodworking Indeed Kjell !, Sorry I couldn't help the obvious
Beatles quote.
--
A child of five could understand this! Fetch me a child of five.
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:01:55 GMT, Stein R <[email protected]> vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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> I am from Norway. What is "wood" ? Is that some special kind of rock ?
I have to say this. The only connection I can see between wood and
rock is Wood Stock?
>We have rocks, and we carve them rocks. With dried herrings. Heck of a
>job it is, too - that fish really must be *dry* before you can carve
>rock with it.
I have a rock problem where I am. Could you describe the correct
herring drying techniques. At present I use very expensive steel
alloys, which become blunt very fast.
> Starvation ? Nah, not as long as we have all them rocks to eat. Try
>a fistful of gravel the next time you feel hungry - you won't feel so
>hungry after swallowing three or four kilos of gravel.
You're right! I tried it this afternoon. I do not feel at all hungry.
I have never felt less like eating in my life actually!
Mind you, I could go a dried herring.
>> I would think with the state of things over there, there are a lot
>> of other things they could spend their money on that would help
>> them crawl closer towards third world status...
>
> Yah ! Like fixing the poor skiing conditions in the lowland this
>time of year. It is hard to pull my sled of rocks across the fields
>when there is no snow. Big problem.
This sounds almost Yorkshire! "Blooody looxury" stuff! Sled! Sled?
Bludy luxury. In my day we _cursed_ the snow, because we _carried_ the
rocks!
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:31:26 GMT, "Ken Johnsen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Troll
It's a thread about Norway. What do you expect ?
"Ray L. Nutz" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Impoverised ?? they are about twice as wealthy as USA per capita and one of
>most technicaly advanced.
Methinks I ruffled a feather with my initial post, and that said
feather was skillfully crafted into a perfectly tied fly, floated
gently downstream on the Current of Believability, and right into the
waiting maw of the wily Nutzfish.
Of course I've been known to be wrong.
JP
*************************
Still wondering.....
>maybe we could learn a thing or two from them.
> before speaking read following info on Norway:
>http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/no.html here is what it
>says about economics:
>
> Economy - overview:
> The Norwegian economy is a prosperous bastion of welfare capitalism,
>featuring a combination of free market activity and government intervention.
>The government controls key areas, such as the vital petroleum sector
>(through large-scale state enterprises). The country is richly endowed with
>natural resources - petroleum, hydropower, fish, forests, and minerals - and
>is highly dependent on its oil production and international oil prices, with
>oil and gas accounting for one-third of exports. Only Saudi Arabia and
>Russia export more oil than Norway. Norway opted to stay out of the EU
>during a referendum in November 1994. The government has moved ahead with
>privatization. With arguably the highest quality of life worldwide,
>Norwegians still worry about that time in the next two decades when the oil
>and gas begin to run out. Accordingly, Norway has been saving its
>oil-boosted budget surpluses in a Government Petroleum Fund, which is
>invested abroad and now is valued at more than $43 billion. GDP growth was a
>lackluster 1% in 2002 and 0.5% in 2003 against the background of a faltering
>European economy.
>
>
>
>"Trishia Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:<[email protected]>...
>> > Anyone out there from Norway?
>> >
>> > Just curious.
>> >
>> > JP
>>
>> I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
>> country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
>> time and resources to pursue such luxurious endeavors as woodworking?
>> I understand it is quite natural and something of a psychological
>> defense to divert oneself with some trivial game or other distraction
>> during the final days before starvation, but woodworking seems rather
>> an illogical conduit for this. Actually, now that I think about it,
>> does anyone in Norway even have internet access? I would think with
>> the state of things over there, there are a lot of other things they
>> could spend their money on that would help them crawl closer towards
>> third world status...
>
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:11:58 -0700, "AArDvarK" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Jay you are PIQUING man...
<ahem> It's merely a moment of violent clarity in the proverbial sea
of uncertainty. Think nothing further.
JP
*****************
Clairvoyance upon demand.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
> User 1.nospam wrote:
>
> >> > I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> >> country as impoverished and unstable as Norway,
> >
> > I just returned from 10 days in the Norwegian fjiords....if that is
> > poverty,
> > how do I emigrate? (minimum wage is approx $20. USD)
>
> But how much does that $20 buy?
Not a flat that's for sure.....
Inger E
>
> --
> --John
> Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:28:15 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:31:26 GMT, "Ken Johnsen"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Troll
>
>It's a thread about Norway. What do you expect ?
Really can't lose there! Trolls of both kind are popular in Norway <G>
Proving again that...
Norway Rocks!
Mark
"Stein R" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Trishia Rose) wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> >> Anyone out there from Norway?
> >>
> >> Just curious.
> >>
> >> JP
> >
> > I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> > country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
> > time and resources to pursue such luxurious endeavors as woodworking?
>
> I am from Norway. What is "wood" ? Is that some special kind of rock ?
> We have rocks, and we carve them rocks. With dried herrings. Heck of a
> job it is, too - that fish really must be *dry* before you can carve
> rock with it.
>
> > I understand it is quite natural and something of a psychological
> > defense to divert oneself with some trivial game or other distraction
> > during the final days before starvation, but woodworking seems rather
> > an illogical conduit for this.
>
> Starvation ? Nah, not as long as we have all them rocks to eat. Try
> a fistful of gravel the next time you feel hungry - you won't feel so
> hungry after swallowing three or four kilos of gravel.
>
> > Actually, now that I think about it, does anyone in Norway even have
> > internet access?
>
> We just carve our messages on rocks and throw them at the tourists.
> They get the message :-)
>
>
> > I would think with the state of things over there, there are a lot
> > of other things they could spend their money on that would help
> > them crawl closer towards third world status...
>
> Yah ! Like fixing the poor skiing conditions in the lowland this
> time of year. It is hard to pull my sled of rocks across the fields
> when there is no snow. Big problem.
>
> Grin,
> Stein (which just happens to mean "stone/rock" in english ..)
>
>
On 4 Jul 2004 16:32:42 -0700, [email protected] (Trishia Rose)
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
Or should I say, she once had me...?
>I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
>country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
>time and resources to pursue such luxurious endeavors as woodworking?
>I understand it is quite natural and something of a psychological
>defense to divert oneself with some trivial game or other distraction
>during the final days before starvation, but woodworking seems rather
>an illogical conduit for this. Actually, now that I think about it,
>does anyone in Norway even have internet access? I would think with
>the state of things over there, there are a lot of other things they
>could spend their money on that would help them crawl closer towards
>third world status...
On 10 Jul 2004 13:49:04 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:32:24 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 9 Jul 2004 15:51:24 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Drop me an email...
>>
>> Done. I didn't know spamcop was an email server!
>
>Yeah, they block 98 or 99 percent of the spam that would get to my
>inbox, and I've never had a real message end up in the "junk" bucket.
>Oddly enough, first time I saw a "hotmail" account, I figured it was
>porn spam...now I think about it, it probably was...
That's a real issue with Hotmail accounts. If what you say is true -
and it's free - I'm definitely going to go with spamcop. This what I
love about usenet - the transfer of information. The internet is an
amazing vehicle for the transfer of information. It has so rapidly
increased my rate of learning that it's become invaluable to me.
Save for a couple of decks and doorways, I'd never done any real
woodworking at all up until very recently. Six months ago I walked
into a cabinetmakers shop and asked for a job. He said yes, and from
that time forward I've been a professional (read "minimally paid")
woodworker. During this short period of time, I feel that I've more
than quadrupled my rate of learning simply by spending enjoyable time
on the internet.
"Seemingly learning only through experience" should probably have been
tattooed on my forehead. While I've always been capable of learning,
I've never actually thrilled to the pursuit of knowledge. It's
probably due to a combination of things, not the least of which is my
true desire to become a woodworker, but I now believe that the pursuit
and acquisition of knowledge *is* the meaning of life. There are
varying levels of uptake, but we are all constantly exposed to new
stimuli, which dictates how we perceive reality. Our perception then
provides the roadmap for how we live our lives. Perception is reality
- to ourselves.
As we grow older we can't but help grow wiser. It's simply the fact
that we've experienced more of life upon which to base our decisions.
Some may not experience as much. Some may be less capable of learning
from their experinces. But all of us believe we're smarter now than
we were 5 or 10 or 20 years ago...times of intoxication
notwithstanding.
If this is - and I believe it to be - true, then I'm a huge proponent
of proponent of more stimuli - more learning - MORE experience.
Change your life! It'll make your smarter. By being smarter you're
more capable of making good, well informed decisions. Success yields
happiness.
Now don't go all "I know so and so who makes 800 grand a year and
hates his life" on me. I'm talking about real, balanced success in a
number of areas. Not just financial, but in the romantic and
emotional arenas as well. Not everything in moderation, but
everything to excess - but evenly balanced. And by being smarter
you're more capable of realizing this.
Dangling participles aside, why wouldn't you try to become smarter?
Why not take advantage of the opportunity to better prepare yourself
for life? If you are planning a hike in the woods, why not be aware
of your surroundings? It's a simple matter to google on [ learning to
hike in the woods ] and then surf a bit. Did you know that buying a
luxury silk sleeping bag liner may actually SAVE you money in the long
run?!
Usenet is the same thing - only better. You can use the knowledge you
have *already* attained to guide your selection of knowledge you'd
*like* to attain. You can specifically target your goal, and almost
real-time answers. We need a bigger, better usenet population. We
need more collective knowledge. We need more happiness!
....oops! I'm late for a date with my mate. Sorry for the ramble.
JP
*******************
Rymnes with aloned.
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 05:15:50 GMT, Kazoo <[email protected]>
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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I, once had a girl....<G>
>Probably, Isn't it Good ?
>that Norwegian wood ?
"AArDvarK" <[email protected]> writes:
> Crap what a sickeningly disrespectful reply! Troll-ette!
>
> NORWAY! AWESOME COUNTRY of a peaceful people!
But no lions or tigers.
> Alex
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:45:23 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:16:08 +0200, "Kjell Bæverfjord"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Yes.
>>I am Norwegian. And I do a bit of woodworking, though I'm not to be
>>considered a professional.
>
>I was interested in knowing whether or not there were regular
>participants to rec.woodworking that were also habitants of Norway.
>Come fall I will also be posing the same inquiry to rec.skiing.alpine.
why would anybody in a skiing group care if any of the rec.woodworking
regulars live in Norway?
<G>
>My next significant trip will be to the Scandinavian peninsula and I
>was hoping to meet some (friendly) natives that might be able to give
>me the inside scoop on what to do and see while I'm there.
>
>Happy woodworking.
>
>JP
enjoy your trip. Norway sounds like a nice place- especially in the
summer....
On 9 Jul 2004 15:51:24 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>Drop me an email...
Done. I didn't know spamcop was an email server!
JP
Troll
"Trishia Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Anyone out there from Norway?
> >
> > Just curious.
> >
> > JP
>
> I'm not from Norway, but reading your post made me think. In a
> country as impoverished and unstable as Norway, do people still find
> time and resources to pursue such luxurious endeavors as woodworking?
> I understand it is quite natural and something of a psychological
> defense to divert oneself with some trivial game or other distraction
> during the final days before starvation, but woodworking seems rather
> an illogical conduit for this. Actually, now that I think about it,
> does anyone in Norway even have internet access? I would think with
> the state of things over there, there are a lot of other things they
> could spend their money on that would help them crawl closer towards
> third world status...