"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> 142 looks like a multi tool sort of thing for various screws or pins.
>
> Yes, but it's used by a particular profession.
Perhaps a clock makers multi tool.
>>
>> 146 shut off handle for a gas valve.
>
> Could be, have you seen one of these or are you guessing? I don't know
> the
> answer to this one.
Also possibly 146 is a fire place "flue shut" reminder. When the flue is
closed the "Shut reminder hangs down into the fire place reminding you to
open the flue before striking the match.
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:47:02 GMT, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Also I'm not sure if I'll ever know where #146 came from, it's that piece of
> metal that says "shut" on both sides. Maybe someone will remember seeing
> one years ago.
I'm thinking some sort of radiator or gas valve handle.
I've seen #147 at rural auctions numerous times, and it has always
been described as a tool to use on heavy chains to "un-kink" or
straighten stubborn chain links. The two pointy finger-like
extensions are supposedly placed over the holes in the adjacent kinked
chain links and the tool's flat surface (the base the tool is standing
on in your photo) is hit with a hammer, the blow forcing the links to
straighten. Never used one or saw one in action, but enough
auctioneers have described the item's use as above, that I tend to
believe them.
"Mark and Kim Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> R.H. wrote:
>
> >Just posted a few more photos, I don't know what number 145 is but the
> >guy who sold it to me said he found three of them in a machinist's
> >toolbox:
> >
> >http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
> >
> >Rob
> >
> #144 is a valve stem and core repair tool
Correct.
> #142 looks like an ignition repair tool.
This one isn't for repairing ignitions.
Rob
"WoodMangler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I don't know what number 145 is but the
> > guy who sold it to me said he found three of them in a machinist's
> > toolbox:
> >
> > http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Rob
>
> Ninja throwing spike?
> End of a fork?
> Stylized lizard foot?
> Lobotomizer?
> Hood ornament?
> Catch and release frog gigger?
> Jellyfish lure?
I might have to try your ninja throwing spike idea. I thought that there
might be an outside chance that it would be something recognizable to a
machinist, but now I'm guessing that it was custom made for something.
"Anthony VanCampen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:09:44 -0400, firstjois wrote:
>
> > WoodMangler wrote:
> >>> R.H. did say:
> >>>
> >>>> Just posted a few more photos, I don't know what number 145 is but
> >>>> the guy who sold it to me said he found three of them in a
> >>>> machinist's toolbox:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
> 142 looks like a multi tool sort of thing for various screws or pins.
Yes, but it's used by a particular profession.
>
> 143 maybe an andjustable length scribe.
The guy who sold it to me said he thought it was a medical tool (!), a tool
seller at the same flea market also thought it was a scribe, but I think
it's something else.
It has a patent date on it of "Oct. 26 - 09".
>
> 144 looks like a tire valve tool.
Correct.
>
> 145 book mark or paper clip??
Possibly, it's seems a little too sharp for these but maybe they never got
around to smoothing it.
>
> 146 shut off handle for a gas valve.
Could be, have you seen one of these or are you guessing? I don't know the
answer to this one.
Rob
WoodMangler wrote:
>> R.H. did say:
>>
>>> Just posted a few more photos, I don't know what number 145 is but
>>> the guy who sold it to me said he found three of them in a
>>> machinist's toolbox:
>>>
>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>> 'Fro pick?
Too bad there isn't a machinist's newsgroup@
Josie
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >> 142 looks like a multi tool sort of thing for various screws or pins.
> >
> > Yes, but it's used by a particular profession.
>
> Perhaps a clock makers multi tool.
>
>
> >>
> >> 146 shut off handle for a gas valve.
> >
> > Could be, have you seen one of these or are you guessing? I don't know
> > the
> > answer to this one.
>
>
> Also possibly 146 is a fire place "flue shut" reminder. When the flue is
> closed the "Shut reminder hangs down into the fire place reminding you to
> open the flue before striking the match.
Sounds reasonable.
"paperboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I've seen #147 at rural auctions numerous times, and it has always
> been described as a tool to use on heavy chains to "un-kink" or
> straighten stubborn chain links. The two pointy finger-like
> extensions are supposedly placed over the holes in the adjacent kinked
> chain links and the tool's flat surface (the base the tool is standing
> on in your photo) is hit with a hammer, the blow forcing the links to
> straighten. Never used one or saw one in action, but enough
> auctioneers have described the item's use as above, that I tend to
> believe them.
Thanks for the info, I've heard this one called a chain breaker and a
sprocket hammer, but wasn't exactly sure how it was used.
----
I posted a some answers on Saturday:
http://pzphotosan26.blogspot.com/
Number 135 in this set is a puzzle called the Yot, I've probably got over a
couple hundred mechanical puzzles, this is one of the first that I bought
years ago and it's still one of my favorites. The objective is to remove
the coin, the neat thing about it is that you can solve it right in front of
someone and they can't see how it was done. If you like brain teasers I
highly recommend this one.
Another set of answers were just posted last night:
http://pzphotosan27.blogspot.com/
Rob
145 Fancy paper clip?
"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Just posted a few more photos, I don't know what number 145 is but the
> guy who sold it to me said he found three of them in a machinist's
> toolbox:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "R.H." <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:47:02 GMT, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Also I'm not sure if I'll ever know where #146 came from, it's that
> >piece of
> >> > metal that says "shut" on both sides. Maybe someone will remember
> >seeing
> >> > one years ago.
> >>
> >> I'm thinking some sort of radiator or gas valve handle.
> >>
> >
> >Could be, it would be nice to find one of these still in use to verify
what
> >it is, but I'd be surprised if I ever found one.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thinking way back, the small town (< 100) I grew up with had a small
> feed mill. There were dampers and valves throughout the mill which
> were activated by pulling on a rope (the valve/damper may have been
> 20' or more up). Perhaps #146 was attached to one of these ropes
> (and there was one that said "open" for the other end of the rope/chain).
>
> scott
Thanks, sounds like a good possibility.
Rob
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Looks like a green repair tool. Repairs ball marks made by golf balls
> landing on the green.
I'm sure it would work for that, but I don't think that's what it is.
Rob
"firstjois" <[email protected]> wrote in news:Mq2dnV1VGp8Gx_zcRVn-
[email protected]:
> Too bad there isn't a machinist's newsgroup@
rec.crafts.metalworking. The old-tools enthusiasm that's common amoung
woodworkers doesn't really seem to exist amoung hobbiest machinists,
tho (they tend to have more enthusiasm for old steam engines & such
like, rather than for the tools that built them).
John
>rec.crafts.metalworking. The old-tools enthusiasm that's common amoung
>woodworkers doesn't really seem to exist amoung hobbiest machinists,
>tho (they tend to have more enthusiasm for old steam engines & such
>like, rather than for the tools that built them).
>
>John
I've found a lot of enthusiasm for old machines, but there are fewer usable
ancient lathes etc. than woodworking machines, so less discussion. FWIW I've
found woodworkers know less about their tools.
GTO(John)
John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> wrote in message
> news:ROz8d.142$4b.103@trndny09...
> > On 5 Oct 2004 15:49:23 GMT, Bruce Barnett
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > "U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> writes:
> > >
> > >>> I've found a lot of enthusiasm for old machines, but there are fewer
> usable
> > >>> ancient lathes etc. than woodworking machines, so less discussion.
> FWIW I've
> > >>> found woodworkers know less about their tools.
> > >>>
> > >>> GTO(John)
> > >>
> > >> That's surprising--there isn't a whole heck of a lot of difference
> > >> between an ancient and modern lathe aside from the power source.
> > >
> > > Is that true for metal-turning lathes as well?
> > >
> >
> > Ya know . . . I always assumed that metal turning was "invented" during
> > the machine tooling explosion of the 19th Century, thus accounting for
> > the difference between metalworking lathes versus woodworking lathes.
> >
> > 19th Century machining made the Michaelson-Morley experiment possible,
> > which called into question the existance of Diethlerous (sp) ether,
> > which lead to Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity.
> >
> > I imagine the power source would have been much the same as on
> > comparable woodworking tools, but I've never seen a woodcut of an old
> > metalworking lathe.
>
> I cannot put an earlier date on metal lathes but I do recall that at the
> Geddy House foundary at Colonial Williamsburg, VA they have, or had, a metal
> lathe. Given CW's extensive historical crafts research that would have made
> them available in 1770...
>
> John
It depends on what you mean by 'metal lathe'. If you mean a lathe used to turn
metal, then they go back at least to the 15th century. However those looked just
like heavy duty wood lathes. Up to the end of the 19th century a lot of metal
turning was still done on lathes that looked like that, often turned by a foot
treadle.
If you mean a lathe that looks like what we think of as a metal lathe, with lead
screw, crossfeed tool holder, apron, change gears, etc., then you're talking
about something that evolved throughout most of the 19th century and continues
to evolve today.
--RC
On 5 Oct 2004 15:49:23 GMT, Bruce Barnett
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Is that true for metal-turning lathes as well?
No. but what's "ancient" ?
Given a quick look, I (and most others with an interest) can quite
easily date a lather from about 1890 onwards, just by looking. There
were a whole range of innovations, both in features to be used, and in
techniques for how lathes were made.
If you have any interest in the history of engineering or machine
tools, find a copy of LTC Rolt's classic "Tools for the Job".
--
Smert' spamionam
"U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> wrote in message
news:ROz8d.142$4b.103@trndny09...
> On 5 Oct 2004 15:49:23 GMT, Bruce Barnett
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> writes:
> >
> >>> I've found a lot of enthusiasm for old machines, but there are fewer
usable
> >>> ancient lathes etc. than woodworking machines, so less discussion.
FWIW I've
> >>> found woodworkers know less about their tools.
> >>>
> >>> GTO(John)
> >>
> >> That's surprising--there isn't a whole heck of a lot of difference
> >> between an ancient and modern lathe aside from the power source.
> >
> > Is that true for metal-turning lathes as well?
> >
>
> Ya know . . . I always assumed that metal turning was "invented" during
> the machine tooling explosion of the 19th Century, thus accounting for
> the difference between metalworking lathes versus woodworking lathes.
>
> 19th Century machining made the Michaelson-Morley experiment possible,
> which called into question the existance of Diethlerous (sp) ether,
> which lead to Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity.
>
> I imagine the power source would have been much the same as on
> comparable woodworking tools, but I've never seen a woodcut of an old
> metalworking lathe.
I cannot put an earlier date on metal lathes but I do recall that at the
Geddy House foundary at Colonial Williamsburg, VA they have, or had, a metal
lathe. Given CW's extensive historical crafts research that would have made
them available in 1770...
John
On 5 Oct 2004 15:49:23 GMT, Bruce Barnett
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> writes:
>
>>> I've found a lot of enthusiasm for old machines, but there are fewer usable
>>> ancient lathes etc. than woodworking machines, so less discussion. FWIW I've
>>> found woodworkers know less about their tools.
>>>
>>> GTO(John)
>>
>> That's surprising--there isn't a whole heck of a lot of difference
>> between an ancient and modern lathe aside from the power source.
>
> Is that true for metal-turning lathes as well?
>
Ya know . . . I always assumed that metal turning was "invented" during
the machine tooling explosion of the 19th Century, thus accounting for
the difference between metalworking lathes versus woodworking lathes.
19th Century machining made the Michaelson-Morley experiment possible,
which called into question the existance of Diethlerous (sp) ether,
which lead to Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity.
I imagine the power source would have been much the same as on
comparable woodworking tools, but I've never seen a woodcut of an old
metalworking lathe.
On 04 Oct 2004 22:35:31 GMT, GTO69RA4 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>rec.crafts.metalworking. The old-tools enthusiasm that's common amoung
>>woodworkers doesn't really seem to exist amoung hobbiest machinists,
>>tho (they tend to have more enthusiasm for old steam engines & such
>>like, rather than for the tools that built them).
>>
>>John
>
> I've found a lot of enthusiasm for old machines, but there are fewer usable
> ancient lathes etc. than woodworking machines, so less discussion. FWIW I've
> found woodworkers know less about their tools.
>
> GTO(John)
That's surprising--there isn't a whole heck of a lot of difference
between an ancient and modern lathe aside from the power source.
"U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> writes:
>> I've found a lot of enthusiasm for old machines, but there are fewer usable
>> ancient lathes etc. than woodworking machines, so less discussion. FWIW I've
>> found woodworkers know less about their tools.
>>
>> GTO(John)
>
> That's surprising--there isn't a whole heck of a lot of difference
> between an ancient and modern lathe aside from the power source.
Is that true for metal-turning lathes as well?
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"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Jack Hudson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I was a machinist but I've never seen one!
>
>
> I think it was probably custom made, it's a little sharp on the edges, not
> for cutting but from not being sanded (don't know the proper machinist term
> for that) and the points are fairly sharp. It's just less than 1/16" thick
> and a magnet will stick to it but not very well. I bought it at the flea
> market from a guy who sells nothing but tools, it was in a box with a lot of
> calipers and micrometers. Don't know if I'll ever find the answer to this
> one.
>
> <snip>
> Rob
I've found things in boxes of machinist tools that I thought were
maybe learning/skill developing projects--something a student would
have made to study a particular technique, or something made for a
particular, one-of-a-kind operation.
Dan
"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Looks like a green repair tool. Repairs ball marks made by golf balls
>> landing on the green.
>
>
> I'm sure it would work for that, but I don't think that's what it is.
The book mark or paper clip worked for me until I noticed that it appears to
be too thick to bend easily as might be required for a book mark. Looks to
be stainless steel also. I'm sticking with ball mark repair tool ..LOL
"R.H." <[email protected]> writes:
> Also I'm not sure if I'll ever know where #146 came from, it's that piece of
> metal that says "shut" on both sides. Maybe someone will remember seeing
> one years ago.
It might go on the end of a chain, that controls a damper/whatever...
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"R.H." <[email protected]> writes:
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>"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:47:02 GMT, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Also I'm not sure if I'll ever know where #146 came from, it's that
>piece of
>> > metal that says "shut" on both sides. Maybe someone will remember
>seeing
>> > one years ago.
>>
>> I'm thinking some sort of radiator or gas valve handle.
>>
>
>Could be, it would be nice to find one of these still in use to verify what
>it is, but I'd be surprised if I ever found one.
>
>
>
Thinking way back, the small town (< 100) I grew up with had a small
feed mill. There were dampers and valves throughout the mill which
were activated by pulling on a rope (the valve/damper may have been
20' or more up). Perhaps #146 was attached to one of these ropes
(and there was one that said "open" for the other end of the rope/chain).
scott
"Bruce Barnett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "R.H." <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > Also I'm not sure if I'll ever know where #146 came from, it's that
piece of
> > metal that says "shut" on both sides. Maybe someone will remember
seeing
> > one years ago.
>
> It might go on the end of a chain, that controls a damper/whatever...
I was thinking along those lines when I bought it, but haven't found
confirmation of it.
"ks" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:U8h8d.9053$MV5.2401@clgrps13...
> 145 Fancy paper clip?
Could be, but it seems a little sharp for that.
Rob
Looks like a green repair tool. Repairs ball marks made by golf balls
landing on the green.
"R.H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just posted a few more photos, I don't know what number 145 is but the
> guy who sold it to me said he found three of them in a machinist's
> toolbox:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:09:44 -0400, firstjois wrote:
> WoodMangler wrote:
>>> R.H. did say:
>>>
>>>> Just posted a few more photos, I don't know what number 145 is but
>>>> the guy who sold it to me said he found three of them in a
>>>> machinist's toolbox:
>>>>
>>>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
142 looks like a multi tool sort of thing for various screws or pins.
143 maybe an andjustable length scribe.
144 looks like a tire valve tool.
145 book mark or paper clip??
146 shut off handle for a gas valve.
"Jack Hudson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was a machinist but I've never seen one!
I think it was probably custom made, it's a little sharp on the edges, not
for cutting but from not being sanded (don't know the proper machinist term
for that) and the points are fairly sharp. It's just less than 1/16" thick
and a magnet will stick to it but not very well. I bought it at the flea
market from a guy who sells nothing but tools, it was in a box with a lot of
calipers and micrometers. Don't know if I'll ever find the answer to this
one.
Also I'm not sure if I'll ever know where #146 came from, it's that piece of
metal that says "shut" on both sides. Maybe someone will remember seeing
one years ago.
Rob
I was a machinist but I've never seen one!
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"Mark and Kim Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> R.H. wrote:
>
> >Just posted a few more photos, I don't know what number 145 is but the
> >guy who sold it to me said he found three of them in a machinist's
> >toolbox:
> >
> >http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
> >
> >Rob
> >
> #144 is a valve stem and core repair tool
> #142 looks like an ignition repair tool.
>
"John McCoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "firstjois" <[email protected]> wrote in news:Mq2dnV1VGp8Gx_zcRVn-
> [email protected]:
>
> > Too bad there isn't a machinist's newsgroup@
>
> rec.crafts.metalworking. The old-tools enthusiasm that's common amoung
> woodworkers doesn't really seem to exist amoung hobbiest machinists,
> tho (they tend to have more enthusiasm for old steam engines & such
> like, rather than for the tools that built them).
>
> John
Thanks, maybe I'll post the question there.
Rob
>
> I've found things in boxes of machinist tools that I thought were
> maybe learning/skill developing projects--something a student would
> have made to study a particular technique, or something made for a
> particular, one-of-a-kind operation.
>
> Dan
You're probably right, it could be anything so I'd be surprised if I find
the solution.
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:47:02 GMT, R.H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Also I'm not sure if I'll ever know where #146 came from, it's that
piece of
> > metal that says "shut" on both sides. Maybe someone will remember
seeing
> > one years ago.
>
> I'm thinking some sort of radiator or gas valve handle.
>
Could be, it would be nice to find one of these still in use to verify what
it is, but I'd be surprised if I ever found one.