On 2/16/2012 7:40 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> This morning's spam from Woodworking magazine announces the Woodpeckers
> bevel gauge... the 7" is $70 and the 12" is $100. No batteries but the
> locking handle is in the end of the body. Looks like it's a one time run
> of these things and you have to order pre-production by 3/5.
> http://www.woodpeck.com/bevelgauge.html?et_mid=539067&rid=3341059 This
> locking gizmo seems more useful than knowing the
> angle in 1/10s of degrees via a display... but that's just me thinking
> about how I used these things.
"It is a mistake to think
that a particular tool
is only good or bad
or useful or not
No tool is ever useful
at all times
So, if you have to ask
why you would want it
you probably don't ...
Maybe some day you will
and maybe you won't"
ANON .. :)
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Jack wrote:
>
> I bought one of those Wixy magnetic angle things and they have an
> accuracy of .1 degrees. When I got it, I naturally checked my table
> saw, jointer and band saw. All 3 were within .1 degrees of perfect. I had
> no idea if the gauge or my fences was off, given they have a .1
> degree of accuracy. I then noted that if a breathed hard on a fence
> it would change .1 degree, meaning .1 degree is more accurate than
> anyone needs for wood work.
>
> The only draw back I see is it must use batteries for a digital
> readout. That means when you go to use it, the batteries will be
> dead. My Wixy came with an extra battery, or was it my digital
> caliber? and I already replaced the battery once. Must have been the
> caliber, as I only used Wixy thing once. Also, every single
> electronic gimmick uses a different battery. Must be 200 million
> different styles of watch batteries, one for each different device.
>
> On that subject, I bought a solar powered, credit card sized
> calculator in the 70's. It is my shop calculator and it has a
> battery because it works in no light. I never changed the battery, I
> don't think you can, but damn the thing works for going on 40 years.
>
Cannot tell you how much I agree! I too have an ancient solar powered
calculator with a backup battery, and it has been working for decades. Some
ideas just seem so logical, but I guess they must not be...
--
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On Feb 15, 11:55=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=3D1,42936,50298&p=3D69055
>
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> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
If it works as advertised, and there is no reason to think it won't,
that will be one helluva handy go-to tool. Pocket size to boot.
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:22:01 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5684906486789300626
BTW, for what purpose are blue tape strips on the cabinet? Decidedly,
the tape is covering some type of putty/plastic wood or similar type
of filler, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what you need
the tape for.
Swingman wrote:
>
> Hell, here lately I'm just trying to figure WTF makes some folks feel
> the need to be publicly negsative about a tool of which they have
> _absolutely_ no first hand knowledge?
Because it makes them feel like one of the elite.
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On Feb 15, 11:55=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=3D1,42936,50298&p=3D69055
>
> --www.eWoodShop.com
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
Sliding bevels are for copying or transferring angles.
Readout seems like a needless add on. At least you'll
still be able to use it as a sliding bevel when the battery
dies. General? Hope it's more accurate than the
stamped out General 1/128" vernier caliper I bought
years ago.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> I have a paperless tape TI calculator that I have probably had 25~30
> years, before my son was born, he will be 25 in August. When he was
> 2~3 years old he dumped countless "Coke's" on it and I have had to
> disassemble and clean at least 3 times., but not in the last 20 years.
> ;~)
>
> ANYWAY it runs on 4 AA batteries and I cannot remember changing the
> batteries over 3 times.
>
I've got a solar/battery powered TI30. I doubt I'll have to change the
battery any time soon, but there's no need if the solar panels can
provide enough power to run it.
Conversely, my TI graphing calculators don't have solar panels and need
the battery changed a little more frequently. It depends on how much
they're used, though. In the 10 years I had my clearance TI80, I've only
needed to replace the batteries twice. I think I'm to 3 battery changes
with my TI89, but it did get used to do some serious number crunching.
I've got a digital caliper, OTOH, that's telling me the batteries need
replaced already. I bet it's been on for a grand total of 5 minutes
since I replaced the batteries.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
Jack <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
> I have a battery powered volt meter that does ohms, volts and all that
> rot. My BIL gave it to me around 1975 and it takes one AA battery,
> maybe two. I never changed the battery, it has a white paper label
> with no name on it. Still works perfectly. I thought both these
> items, my calc and this thing were some sort of freaky thing, but
> seems there was a lot of this going around in the 70's. I don't think
> this happens any more, am I wrong?
>
The only thing you've got to keep an eye on is leaking batteries. An
analog meter doesn't need the battery to measure anything but
resistance, so naturally it'll last forever.
Modern batteries should be checked for leaks every so often (9Vs aren't
too bad about it, but AAs are horrible).
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
[...snip...]
>This morning's spam from Woodworking magazine announces the Woodpeckers
>bevel gauge... the 7" is $70 and the 12" is $100. No batteries but the
>locking handle is in the end of the body. Looks like it's a one time run of
>these things and you have to order pre-production by 3/5.
>http://www.woodpeck.com/bevelgauge.html?et_mid=539067&rid=3341059 This
>locking gizmo seems more useful than knowing the
>angle in 1/10s of degrees via a display... but that's just me thinking about
>how I used these things.
>
Like this one but for 2-3 times the money? I'll keep my Shinwa.
http://www.amazon.com/Sliding-T-Bevel-10-Blade/dp/B0037XWC4O
On 2/16/2012 7:40 AM, Bill wrote:
> On 2/16/2012 8:07 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/15/2012 5:52 PM, Larry W wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
>>>> http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>>
>>> Who wants to wait for the Bridge City version at 5 or 10 times the
>>> price?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It is already out. And 22 times the price.
>>
>> http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/featured/amp-v2-anglemaster-pro-v2-with-shoe-kit-final-payment.html
>>
>>
>
> It looks like they really tried hard with the parts they had on hand! : )
No kidding!
It tool is way way way overly complex to measure an angle accurately and
while it is expensive it seems under priced given it complexity and
their normally high prices.
If you have a need for their tools many are worth the investment. I
have 7 different BC tools, including a first in a series of one time
tools, the Squivel.
Jack wrote:
> My digital calibers, calculator and Wixy angle gauge all go off
> automatically. That didn't help my HF calibers though, that battery
> was replaced in less than a year. It has the L44 and it came with an
> extra battery, which I'm using now. It gets average use, maybe once
> or twice a week at most.
My HF digital calipers seemed like they were eating batteries just sitting
on the shelf in the case. I thought that maybe the ON button was getting
hit while closing the case or something, but they have a timeout function
after a couple of minutes of no use, so that wasn't it. Throw a new battery
at it and it was fine - until it sat around again. So one day I took a
smart pill and decided to simply pull that battery and inspect for such
things as corrosion. Nope - none to be seen. Put the same battery back in
and it's been going strong for 2 years now. Although... I do have to pull
it and reseat it from time to time.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:25:50 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/23/2012 8:00 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> Jack<[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>>> I have a battery powered volt meter that does ohms, volts and all that
>>> rot. My BIL gave it to me around 1975 and it takes one AA battery,
>>> maybe two. I never changed the battery, it has a white paper label
>>> with no name on it. Still works perfectly. I thought both these
>>> items, my calc and this thing were some sort of freaky thing, but
>>> seems there was a lot of this going around in the 70's. I don't think
>>> this happens any more, am I wrong?
>
>> The only thing you've got to keep an eye on is leaking batteries. An
>> analog meter doesn't need the battery to measure anything but
>> resistance, so naturally it'll last forever.
>
>I always thought batteries had a short shelf life whether used or not.
>Guess I was wrong. Another thing that lasted around 10 years or more
>was one of those little kids book that played a song when you opened it.
> This was the itsy bitsy spider book, and it was sitting in a bookcase
>for many years and when I opened the thing, it still worked. I'd guess
>10 years at least.
The little silver oxide button batteries have an incredible shelf
life. The alkaline ones not so good, and the lithium somewhere in
between.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>
Seems to me that if the blade is more accurate than the read-out just use
the blade... I've got no problem laying my sliding bevel up against the saw
plate on my CMS and TS, and against the miter gauges on the TS, BS, and
router table... and there are no batteries to go dead or crystals/lenses to
break!
John
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:44:37 -0800, Jim Weisgram
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[...snip...]
>>This morning's spam from Woodworking magazine announces the Woodpeckers
>>bevel gauge... the 7" is $70 and the 12" is $100. No batteries but the
>>locking handle is in the end of the body. Looks like it's a one time run of
>>these things and you have to order pre-production by 3/5.
>>http://www.woodpeck.com/bevelgauge.html?et_mid=539067&rid=3341059 This
>>locking gizmo seems more useful than knowing the
>>angle in 1/10s of degrees via a display... but that's just me thinking about
>>how I used these things.
>>
>Like this one but for 2-3 times the money? I'll keep my Shinwa.
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Sliding-T-Bevel-10-Blade/dp/B0037XWC4O
I have a little $5 plastic and stainless job (just like that) which I
used before the electronic bevel gauge came to me from LVT. Both have
their places, and I'm not going to ever consider a ripoff price like
Bridge City charges. Yuckin fuppies overcharging yuppies. <sigh>
OK, some of their products are well engineered, but...if we priced our
shop output at their prices, simple end tables would cost $23K.
--
The ultimate result of shielding men from folly
is to fill the world with fools.
-- Herbert Spencer
Swingman <[email protected]> writes:
> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
Amazon lists this for $29.95, BTW.
Also one reviewer says the handle is plastic.
Ok, what's a squivel. I can't find an image. I want to see what the
other half spends their hard earned dollars on.
8>)
On 2/16/2012 9:46 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/16/2012 7:40 AM, Bill wrote:
>> On 2/16/2012 8:07 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2012 5:52 PM, Larry W wrote:
>>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> www.eWoodShop.com
>>>>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>>>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
>>>>> http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>>>
>>>> Who wants to wait for the Bridge City version at 5 or 10 times the
>>>> price?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is already out. And 22 times the price.
>>>
>>> http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/featured/amp-v2-anglemaster-pro-v2-with-shoe-kit-final-payment.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It looks like they really tried hard with the parts they had on hand! : )
>
> No kidding!
> It tool is way way way overly complex to measure an angle accurately and
> while it is expensive it seems under priced given it complexity and
> their normally high prices.
>
> If you have a need for their tools many are worth the investment. I have
> 7 different BC tools, including a first in a series of one time tools,
> the Squivel.
On Feb 18, 1:06=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:38:31 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Feb 15, 11:55=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=3D1,42936,50298&p=3D6905=
5
>
> >> --www.eWoodShop.com
> >> Last update: 4/15/2010
> >> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>
> >Sliding bevels are for copying or transferring angles.
> >Readout seems like a needless add on. =A0At least you'll
> >still be able to use it as a sliding bevel when the battery
> >dies. =A0General? =A0Hope it's more accurate than the
> >stamped out General 1/128" vernier caliper I bought
> >years ago.
>
> You can take the digitally accurate angle and put it onto a miter saw
> for a precise cut. =A0It's tougher and takes longer with a sliding
> bevel. =A0You always nudge the slider with the miter blade while trying
> to get the angle right. =A0DAMHIKT
How well is your miter saw set up?
On Feb 15, 2:52=A0pm, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> >http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=3D1,42936,50298&p=3D69055
>
> Seems to me that if the blade is more accurate than the read-out just use
> the blade... =A0I've got no problem laying my sliding bevel up against th=
e saw
> plate on my CMS and TS, and against the miter gauges on the TS, BS, and
> router table... and there are no batteries to go dead or crystals/lenses =
to
> break!
>
> John
Always a legitimate question: what sortakinda batteries does this
thing consume and what does one have to pay for those?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:22:01 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>calculator of all time ... so much so that I built a holder for it out
>of scraps some years back:
>https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5684906486789300626
You've got too much time on your hands Karl.
On 2/15/2012 11:22 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
>
>
> On 2/15/2012 12:12 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Sorry to reply to my own post: What is given up in accuracy besides the
>> "arm" is loose enough to slide? Until I here more, it's going to say in
>> my "gimmick" category. : )
>
>
> Yea I looked at that yesterday, and the thing that hit me was the
> accuracy of +-.3 degrees, but a resolution of .05 degrees. Seems odd
> that the accuracy is so much further off than the resolution. What good
> is .05 resolution if you can only have .3 accuracy. If the accuracy were
> .1 I would understand.
>
> At that point I questioned it's legitimacy.
As always, that depends entirely upon your use of the "gimmick" (and
probably your imagination).
With a few of the things where I can envision its usefulness, like some
machine setup situations, the fact that you can't set the machine to a
greater accuracy than the accuracy of the instrument itself makes it a
moot point.
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"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 2/22/2012 1:49 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>
>> I have a paperless tape TI calculator that I have probably had 25~30
>> years, before my son was born, he will be 25 in August. When he was
>> 2~3 years old he dumped countless "Coke's" on it and I have had to
>> disassemble and clean at least 3 times., but not in the last 20 years.
>> ;~)
>>
>> ANYWAY it runs on 4 AA batteries and I cannot remember changing the
>> batteries over 3 times.
>>
>
> I've got a solar/battery powered TI30. I doubt I'll have to change the
> battery any time soon, but there's no need if the solar panels can
> provide enough power to run it.
>
> Conversely, my TI graphing calculators don't have solar panels and need
> the battery changed a little more frequently. It depends on how much
> they're used, though. In the 10 years I had my clearance TI80, I've only
> needed to replace the batteries twice. I think I'm to 3 battery changes
> with my TI89, but it did get used to do some serious number crunching.
>
> I've got a digital caliper, OTOH, that's telling me the batteries need
> replaced already. I bet it's been on for a grand total of 5 minutes
> since I replaced the batteries.
>
> Puckdropper
I have noticed on these digital measuring tools that temperature
shortens battery life AND not turning it off. ;!)
" My digital TiltBox", sliding it in its soft cover case and
accidentally turning it back on in the process. I have learned to pay
close attention to not pushing where the switches are located when
putting the tools back in their cases.
============================================================================
I have a Mititoyo digital caliper. If I use it daily as usual, the battery
will last about two years. If I let it sit for a couple weeks without using
it, the battery will go dead. BTW, I never turn it off.
On 2/17/2012 8:12 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:05:06 -0600, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hell, here lately I'm just trying to figure WTF makes some folks feel
>> the need to be publicly negative about a tool of which they have
>> _absolutely_ no first hand knowledge?
>
> A little volatile lately are we?<g>
You could say that ... but the asininity clearly preceded the volatility.
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On 2/15/2012 6:53 PM, Bill wrote:
> My curosity
> was about the added value of the digital guage. My dad, may he rest in
> peace, would likely have said "It looks like another gimmick!" : )
If it was also equipped with a laser, I would be inclined to agree.
But, it's not. :)
That said, for twenty bucks + shipping, I'll let you know in week or ten
days.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> Swingman wrote:
> > On 2/15/2012 11:22 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/15/2012 12:12 PM, Bill wrote:
> >
> >>> Sorry to reply to my own post: What is given up in accuracy besides the
> >>> "arm" is loose enough to slide? Until I here more, it's going to say in
> >>> my "gimmick" category. : )
> >>
> >>
> >> Yea I looked at that yesterday, and the thing that hit me was the
> >> accuracy of +-.3 degrees, but a resolution of .05 degrees. Seems odd
> >> that the accuracy is so much further off than the resolution. What good
> >> is .05 resolution if you can only have .3 accuracy. If the accuracy were
> >> .1 I would understand.
> >>
> >> At that point I questioned it's legitimacy.
> >
> > As always, that depends entirely upon your use of the "gimmick" (and
> > probably your imagination).
> >
> > With a few of the things where I can envision its usefulness, like some
> > machine setup situations, the fact that you can't set the machine to a
> > greater accuracy than the accuracy of the instrument itself makes it a
> > moot point.
> >
>
> I'm all in favor a sliding t-bevel. I have found "creative" uses for
> mine (like measuring the squareness of the inside of a box". My
> curosity was about the added value of the digital guage. My dad, may he
> rest in peace, would likely have said "It looks like another gimmick!"
> : )
Convenience mostly. You can set one with a protractor but with the
digital readout you can do without one and get about the same accuracy
with less chance of making a mistake.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 2/15/2012 3:06 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> >>
> >> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>> On 2/15/2012 1:52 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Seems to me that if the blade is more accurate than the read-out just
> >>>> use the blade... I've got no problem laying my sliding bevel up against
> >>>> the saw plate on my CMS and TS, and against the miter gauges on the TS,
> >>>> BS, and router table... and there are no batteries to go dead or
> >>>> crystals/lenses to break!
> >>>
> >>> I was talking about uses that were more along the line of using it to
> >>> measure the angle of the corner of room (notoriously un-square),
> >>> dividing by two, and setting your miter saw to the results ...
> >>> anything that can get you into the ballpark quicker, at $20, will pay
> >>> for itself pretty quickly.
> >>
> >> I guess I'm so used to using a protractor and sliding bevel for
> >> measuring, and a shooting board for tweaking joints, that I don't even
> >> think about dealing with non-square corners as a problem... It goes
> >> along with the realization I had while working at Colonial Williamsburg
> >> that pretty much the whole man-made world was built without electricity.
> >> ;~)
> >
> >
> > Absolutely nothing wrong with that ... some of us just find it makes us
> > more competitive to use electricity when feeding the family with the
> > proceeds.
> >
> > :)
>
> Yup... There are absolutely times when electricity makes a lot of sense...
> and other times when meat powered tools make sense... Developing skill with
> both types of power lets you solve problems and get things done!
Then there's the matter of productivity. They built Notre Dame
Cathedral without electricity. It took 'em 180 years but they did do
it.
On 2/15/2012 1:52 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>
>
> Seems to me that if the blade is more accurate than the read-out just
> use the blade... I've got no problem laying my sliding bevel up against
> the saw plate on my CMS and TS, and against the miter gauges on the TS,
> BS, and router table... and there are no batteries to go dead or
> crystals/lenses to break!
I was talking about uses that were more along the line of using it to
measure the angle of the corner of room (notoriously un-square),
dividing by two, and setting your miter saw to the results ... anything
that can get you into the ballpark quicker, at $20, will pay for itself
pretty quickly.
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On 2/16/2012 7:40 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/15/2012 5:52 PM, Larry W wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> www.eWoodShop.com
>>>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
>>>> http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>>
>>> Who wants to wait for the Bridge City version at 5 or 10 times the
>>> price?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It is already out. And 22 times the price.
>>
>> http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/featured/amp-v2-anglemaster-pro-v2-with-shoe-kit-final-payment.html
>>
>
> This morning's spam from Woodworking magazine announces the Woodpeckers
> bevel gauge... the 7" is $70 and the 12" is $100. No batteries but the
> locking handle is in the end of the body. Looks like it's a one time run
> of these things and you have to order pre-production by 3/5.
> http://www.woodpeck.com/bevelgauge.html?et_mid=539067&rid=3341059 This
> locking gizmo seems more useful than knowing the
> angle in 1/10s of degrees via a display... but that's just me thinking
> about how I used these things.
Yeah it is an intended limited run but that is not a certainty. They
have repeated the run on the "one time" 50" rule 2 times now. Basically
there have been 3 deadlines to order. But to be safe you better order
now if you want one.
>
> Red aluminum and stainless are pretty ugly, in my eyes, compared to the
> blued steel and rosewood of my most used bevel gauge. I cannot envision
> a nice patina developing on aluminum and stainless... However, that
> locking lever is cool... and having a bespoke tool is a neat idea. ;~)
>
> John
>
>
>
>
On 2/15/2012 12:12 PM, Bill wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>
>>
>> It can only be as accurate as the sensor at the sliding "arm" (sorry, I
>> don't know the appropriate term). I momentarily considered this as a
>> substitute for a magnetic level+bevel, but what I said above makes me
>> hesitate. Perhaps someone can vouch for the technology being used? The
>> issue is mainly academic for me, but it's not uninteresting.
>
> Sorry to reply to my own post: What is given up in accuracy besides the
> "arm" is loose enough to slide? Until I here more, it's going to say in
> my "gimmick" category. : )
Yea I looked at that yesterday, and the thing that hit me was the
accuracy of +-.3 degrees, but a resolution of .05 degrees. Seems odd
that the accuracy is so much further off than the resolution. What good
is .05 resolution if you can only have .3 accuracy. If the accuracy were
.1 I would understand.
At that point I questioned it's legitimacy.
I am interested but after having lost my job yesterday, I'll wait for
your opinions.
On 2/16/2012 9:11 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Ok, what's a squivel. I can't find an image. I want to see what the
> other half spends their hard earned dollars on.
> 8>)
>
Sorry "Squevel". Like that would help. LOL
http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/other-products/discontinued/ct-1-squevel.html
The information on this discontinued first of a series commemorative
tools is lacking these days but it is a tri-square with a small t-bevel
in the handle. It also has a "lucky" new penny embedded in the handle.
If I shake it I can hear it. I have never used the tool figuring it
might some day be worth something.
A better picture here,
http://toolboxblog.com/2009/02/19/bridge-city-tool-works-ct-1-squevel/
and here
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/bridge-city-first-commemorative-tool-ct-1
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/bridge-city-tool-ct-7-rosewood-block-plane-new-in
Mad sometime in 1993.
I hope you got that as a work of art.
It's original price while high, and very high back then, might be worth it.
But I wouldn't. You do seem to have the best tools Leon. Can I come over
and borrow some 8>)
On 2/16/2012 2:28 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/16/2012 9:11 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Ok, what's a squivel. I can't find an image. I want to see what the
>> other half spends their hard earned dollars on.
>> 8>)
>>
>
>
> Sorry "Squevel". Like that would help. LOL
>
> http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/other-products/discontinued/ct-1-squevel.html
>
>
>
> The information on this discontinued first of a series commemorative
> tools is lacking these days but it is a tri-square with a small t-bevel
> in the handle. It also has a "lucky" new penny embedded in the handle.
> If I shake it I can hear it. I have never used the tool figuring it
> might some day be worth something.
>
> A better picture here,
>
> http://toolboxblog.com/2009/02/19/bridge-city-tool-works-ct-1-squevel/
>
> and here
>
> http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/bridge-city-first-commemorative-tool-ct-1
>
>
> http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/bridge-city-tool-ct-7-rosewood-block-plane-new-in
>
>
> Mad sometime in 1993.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/15/2012 1:52 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>
>>
>> Seems to me that if the blade is more accurate than the read-out just
>> use the blade... I've got no problem laying my sliding bevel up against
>> the saw plate on my CMS and TS, and against the miter gauges on the TS,
>> BS, and router table... and there are no batteries to go dead or
>> crystals/lenses to break!
>
> I was talking about uses that were more along the line of using it to
> measure the angle of the corner of room (notoriously un-square), dividing
> by two, and setting your miter saw to the results ... anything that can
> get you into the ballpark quicker, at $20, will pay for itself pretty
> quickly.
I guess I'm so used to using a protractor and sliding bevel for measuring,
and a shooting board for tweaking joints, that I don't even think about
dealing with non-square corners as a problem... It goes along with the
realization I had while working at Colonial Williamsburg that pretty much
the whole man-made world was built without electricity. ;~)
John
On 2/22/2012 1:49 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>
>> I have a paperless tape TI calculator that I have probably had 25~30
>> years, before my son was born, he will be 25 in August. When he was
>> 2~3 years old he dumped countless "Coke's" on it and I have had to
>> disassemble and clean at least 3 times., but not in the last 20 years.
>> ;~)
>>
>> ANYWAY it runs on 4 AA batteries and I cannot remember changing the
>> batteries over 3 times.
>>
>
> I've got a solar/battery powered TI30. I doubt I'll have to change the
> battery any time soon, but there's no need if the solar panels can
> provide enough power to run it.
>
> Conversely, my TI graphing calculators don't have solar panels and need
> the battery changed a little more frequently. It depends on how much
> they're used, though. In the 10 years I had my clearance TI80, I've only
> needed to replace the batteries twice. I think I'm to 3 battery changes
> with my TI89, but it did get used to do some serious number crunching.
>
> I've got a digital caliper, OTOH, that's telling me the batteries need
> replaced already. I bet it's been on for a grand total of 5 minutes
> since I replaced the batteries.
>
> Puckdropper
I have noticed on these digital measuring tools that temperature
shortens battery life AND not turning it off. ;!)
" My digital TiltBox", sliding it in its soft cover case and
accidentally turning it back on in the process. I have learned to pay
close attention to not pushing where the switches are located when
putting the tools back in their cases.
On 2/22/2012 9:45 AM, Jack wrote:
> I think they all should use solar cells
> like my $10, 35 year old calculator that runs easily off the shop lights.
My old Aurora D19, which I've had for about 25 years, still works as
long as I bring it can get sunlight. Still my favorite desktop
calculator of all time ... so much so that I built a holder for it out
of scraps some years back:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5684906486789300626
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Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 2/24/2012 6:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Then there's the matter of productivity. They built Notre Dame
>>> Cathedral without electricity. It took 'em 180 years but they did
>>> do it.
>>
>> Preach it Clarke!
>>
>
> Not to mention the National Cathedral in DC, that took almost 100
> years to build and complete and was pretty much only recently
> completed in the last 10 or so years and there was plenty of
> electricity to go around. ;~)
And then a little earthquake caused tremendous (in dollar terms) damage.
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On 2/24/2012 6:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>>
>> Then there's the matter of productivity. They built Notre Dame
>> Cathedral without electricity. It took 'em 180 years but they did do
>> it.
>
> Preach it Clarke!
>
Not to mention the National Cathedral in DC, that took almost 100 years
to build and complete and was pretty much only recently completed in the
last 10 or so years and there was plenty of electricity to go around. ;~)
On 2/22/2012 10:15 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Jack wrote:
>
>>
>> I bought one of those Wixy magnetic angle things and they have an
>> accuracy of .1 degrees. When I got it, I naturally checked my table
>> saw, jointer and band saw. All 3 were within .1 degrees of perfect. I had
>> no idea if the gauge or my fences was off, given they have a .1
>> degree of accuracy. I then noted that if a breathed hard on a fence
>> it would change .1 degree, meaning .1 degree is more accurate than
>> anyone needs for wood work.
>>
>> The only draw back I see is it must use batteries for a digital
>> readout. That means when you go to use it, the batteries will be
>> dead. My Wixy came with an extra battery, or was it my digital
>> caliber? and I already replaced the battery once. Must have been the
>> caliber, as I only used Wixy thing once. Also, every single
>> electronic gimmick uses a different battery. Must be 200 million
>> different styles of watch batteries, one for each different device.
>>
>> On that subject, I bought a solar powered, credit card sized
>> calculator in the 70's. It is my shop calculator and it has a
>> battery because it works in no light. I never changed the battery, I
>> don't think you can, but damn the thing works for going on 40 years.
>>
>
> Cannot tell you how much I agree! I too have an ancient solar powered
> calculator with a backup battery, and it has been working for decades. Some
> ideas just seem so logical, but I guess they must not be...
>
I have a paperless tape TI calculator that I have probably had 25~30
years, before my son was born, he will be 25 in August. When he was
2~3 years old he dumped countless "Coke's" on it and I have had to
disassemble and clean at least 3 times., but not in the last 20 years. ;~)
ANYWAY it runs on 4 AA batteries and I cannot remember changing the
batteries over 3 times.
J. Clarke wrote:
>
> Then there's the matter of productivity. They built Notre Dame
> Cathedral without electricity. It took 'em 180 years but they did do
> it.
Preach it Clarke!
--
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On Feb 15, 12:01=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 15, 11:55=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=3D1,42936,50298&p=3D69055
>
> > --www.eWoodShop.com
> > Last update: 4/15/2010
> > KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>
> If it works as advertised, and there is no reason to think it won't,
> that will be one helluva handy go-to tool. Pocket size to boot.
As per discussion elsewhere in this thread, it could be construed as a
bit gimmicky, but having said that, many things with digital read-out
are gimmicky. Like the days of yore, FM Radio tuners with digital read-
outs were "so much more accurate" than their sliding dial
counterparts!! The read-out had absolutely nothing to do with the
tuning itself, as is the case with so many measuring tools. I bought a
measuring tape with a digital read-out (in a fit of spontaneity) a
Starrett no less, and found myself reading the tape instead of the
digital read-out. I tossed the damned thing when I wanted to replace
the battery and discovered it was a proprietary $20.00 POS. (They, of
course, changed to another battery shortly thereafter.) IMHO,
'digital' doesn't automatically mean 'better'.
But I digress.
(back to the fishing lure analogy... who/what are those lures designed
to catch?)
On 2/22/2012 8:57 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:22:01 -0600, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5684906486789300626
>
> BTW, for what purpose are blue tape strips on the cabinet? Decidedly,
> the tape is covering some type of putty/plastic wood or similar type
> of filler, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what you need
> the tape for.
ASCII, and you shall receive. :)
Multi-purpose, time saving, methodology:
Tape is applied, beforehand, to the exact locations on the cabinet parts
were finishing nails are to be shot.
This helps to accurately locate the intended nailing spots, and thus
minimizes the ever present chance of a blowout on visible parts of the
cabinet, which would then have to be repaired.
After the finishing nail is shot, wood filler is applied to the nail
hole, _on top of the tape_ , making for a precise filling of the nail
hole only, with no overspill.
After removal of the tape, this makes for much less cleanup and sanding
needed, particularly handy if the nail hole is on a veneer that may be
thin to start with.
And, strangely enough, actually has somewhat of the effect of making the
precisely filled nail hole less visible after staining and finishing.
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On Feb 17, 9:05=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/17/2012 6:38 PM, Father Haskell wrote:
>
> > Sliding bevels are for copying or transferring angles.
>
> Wow ... thanks for sharing that.
>
> > Readout seems like a needless add on.
>
> Yep, for those stuck in a rut with no imagination, it most probably is.
>
> > At least you'll still be able to use it as a sliding bevel
>
> =A0> when the battery dies.
>
> So, when the battery dies, _you_ are that guy who buys a new tool
> instead of a battery?
>
> Well, that's a mystery solved. :)
>
> General?
>
> You don't sound all that confident ... just learned to read, or have no
> idea which "General" it is?
>
> > =A0Hope it's more accurate than the
> > stamped out General 1/128" vernier caliper I bought
> > years ago.
>
> Yeah, I hope so too ... I'd hate to be that easily fooled.
>
> Hell, here lately I'm just trying to figure WTF makes some folks feel
> the need to be publicly negative about a tool of which they have
> _absolutely_ no first hand knowledge?
http://www.craftsmanspace.com/knowledge/vernier-bevel-protractor.html
At 5 minutes of an arc resolution, more precision than I'll
ever need. True also for the General, but the vernier reads
even if the battery croaks. How well does an electronic
protractor hold up to a dusty environment, like a wood shop?
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:38:31 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Feb 15, 11:55 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>
>> --www.eWoodShop.com
>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>
>Sliding bevels are for copying or transferring angles.
>Readout seems like a needless add on. At least you'll
>still be able to use it as a sliding bevel when the battery
>dies. General? Hope it's more accurate than the
>stamped out General 1/128" vernier caliper I bought
>years ago.
You can take the digitally accurate angle and put it onto a miter saw
for a precise cut. It's tougher and takes longer with a sliding
bevel. You always nudge the slider with the miter blade while trying
to get the angle right. DAMHIKT
--
The ultimate result of shielding men from folly
is to fill the world with fools.
-- Herbert Spencer
On 2/16/2012 8:17 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> I only wish my son gets bitten by the working wood bug, but I don't
> think he has it. Computers are his thing. He has a disorder that makes
> his hands shake so bad that watching him try to hold a screw driver is
> nerve racking.
> He wanted to do some soldering for his computer... he could not get the
> solder to the joint, nor the tip of the iron to stay on the joint.
Well my son so far has not gotten the bug, fortunately he has no
physical challenges. He does like for me to build for him however. I
have ofter referred to him as "my retirement plan" although I was
thinking a bit differently than selling him furniture. ;~) He is a
busy guy, by Wednesday of this week he had already put in 40 hours, busy
season. He put in several days last week that were 18 hour days. Busy
season for a CPA working for a "big 4" public accounting firm. Perhaps
when he gets more time and settles down a bit he will be more interested.
> My tools will be sold at some garage sale or ebay... Too bad, I do have
> a few really nice tools. Lie Nielsen planes, Veritas Planes, I have
> about a 1/2 dozen baileys and sweet hearts. I started collecting wooden
> planes, molding planes..etc I can't put my finger on my most prized
> tool, but it isn't my power collection which right now only lacks a lathe.
> My work bench will probably stay with him. It's a solid workbench.
I have told my son the same, he will inherit enough tools to start to
take over a furniture making business.
>
> I have some really nice Disston saws before they turned to crap. Some
> real beauties with awesome handles.
Certainly keepers
On 2/17/2012 6:38 PM, Father Haskell wrote:
> Sliding bevels are for copying or transferring angles.
Wow ... thanks for sharing that.
> Readout seems like a needless add on.
Yep, for those stuck in a rut with no imagination, it most probably is.
> At least you'll still be able to use it as a sliding bevel
> when the battery dies.
So, when the battery dies, _you_ are that guy who buys a new tool
instead of a battery?
Well, that's a mystery solved. :)
General?
You don't sound all that confident ... just learned to read, or have no
idea which "General" it is?
> Hope it's more accurate than the
> stamped out General 1/128" vernier caliper I bought
> years ago.
Yeah, I hope so too ... I'd hate to be that easily fooled.
Hell, here lately I'm just trying to figure WTF makes some folks feel
the need to be publicly negative about a tool of which they have
_absolutely_ no first hand knowledge?
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:15:04 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Jack wrote:
>
>>
>> I bought one of those Wixy magnetic angle things and they have an
>> accuracy of .1 degrees. When I got it, I naturally checked my table
>> saw, jointer and band saw. All 3 were within .1 degrees of perfect. I had
>> no idea if the gauge or my fences was off, given they have a .1
>> degree of accuracy. I then noted that if a breathed hard on a fence
>> it would change .1 degree, meaning .1 degree is more accurate than
>> anyone needs for wood work.
>>
>> The only draw back I see is it must use batteries for a digital
>> readout. That means when you go to use it, the batteries will be
>> dead. My Wixy came with an extra battery, or was it my digital
>> caliber? and I already replaced the battery once. Must have been the
>> caliber, as I only used Wixy thing once. Also, every single
>> electronic gimmick uses a different battery. Must be 200 million
>> different styles of watch batteries, one for each different device.
>>
>> On that subject, I bought a solar powered, credit card sized
>> calculator in the 70's. It is my shop calculator and it has a
>> battery because it works in no light. I never changed the battery, I
>> don't think you can, but damn the thing works for going on 40 years.
>>
>
>Cannot tell you how much I agree! I too have an ancient solar powered
>calculator with a backup battery, and it has been working for decades. Some
>ideas just seem so logical, but I guess they must not be...
My wife has a calculator that was given to her before we married -
and that's 31 years ago, It is NOT solar, and is still working. It's a
Canon Palmtronic. Just checked and it says "uses 2 penlight batteries
1.5 volt" They must have been REAL GOOD batteries, because she has
never changed them, and nor have I. (she wouldn't know how, and I know
this is the first time it's been removed from it's case by me)
On 2/22/2012 9:27 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 8:57 PM, Dave wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:22:01 -0600, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5684906486789300626
>>>
>>
>> BTW, for what purpose are blue tape strips on the cabinet? Decidedly,
>> the tape is covering some type of putty/plastic wood or similar type
>> of filler, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what you need
>> the tape for.
>
> ASCII, and you shall receive. :)
>
> Multi-purpose, time saving, methodology:
>
> Tape is applied, beforehand, to the exact locations on the cabinet parts
> were finishing nails are to be shot.
>
> This helps to accurately locate the intended nailing spots, and thus
> minimizes the ever present chance of a blowout on visible parts of the
> cabinet, which would then have to be repaired.
>
> After the finishing nail is shot, wood filler is applied to the nail
> hole, _on top of the tape_ , making for a precise filling of the nail
> hole only, with no overspill.
>
> After removal of the tape, this makes for much less cleanup and sanding
> needed, particularly handy if the nail hole is on a veneer that may be
> thin to start with.
>
> And, strangely enough, actually has somewhat of the effect of making the
> precisely filled nail hole less visible after staining and finishing.
>
Really not strange at all!. :!)
The tape keeps the putty "out" of the surrounding wood grain. When the
putty gets in the surrounding wood grain it is quite visible regardless
of how well you sand. Well unless you sand down to the bottom of the
wood grain.
On 2/15/2012 5:52 PM, Larry W wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>
>> --
>> www.eWoodShop.com
>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
>> http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>
> Who wants to wait for the Bridge City version at 5 or 10 times the price?
>
>
It is already out. And 22 times the price.
http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/featured/amp-v2-anglemaster-pro-v2-with-shoe-kit-final-payment.html
NOW you tell me. I just bought one from Rockler at full price plus shipping.
I should check out the other wood places first. However it works fine and
very accurate. All my squares checked out the same and the 45 degree
settings also. Uses a #2032 button battery. Lined up my table saw blade at
90 degrees. Joints fit better now. WW
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>
> --
> www.eWoodShop.com
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
> http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
Swingman wrote:
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>
It can only be as accurate as the sensor at the sliding "arm" (sorry, I
don't know the appropriate term). I momentarily considered this as a
substitute for a magnetic level+bevel, but what I said above makes me
hesitate. Perhaps someone can vouch for the technology being used? The
issue is mainly academic for me, but it's not uninteresting.
Bill wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>>
>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>
>
> It can only be as accurate as the sensor at the sliding "arm" (sorry, I
> don't know the appropriate term). I momentarily considered this as a
> substitute for a magnetic level+bevel, but what I said above makes me
> hesitate. Perhaps someone can vouch for the technology being used? The
> issue is mainly academic for me, but it's not uninteresting.
Sorry to reply to my own post: What is given up in accuracy besides the
"arm" is loose enough to slide? Until I here more, it's going to say
in my "gimmick" category. : )
On 2/15/2012 10:55 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
Hey, you're supposed to wait until I get mine ordered and delivered before you
go telling everybody else and their mother about stuff like this.
--
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sparse, will expand to fill all available lanes.
To reply, eat the taco.
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On 2/15/2012 11:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/15/2012 11:39 AM, Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 2/15/2012 10:55 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>
>> Hey, you're supposed to wait until I get mine ordered and delivered
>> before you go telling everybody else and their mother about stuff like
>> this.
>
> I can see occasions where it would be real handy, like when setting a miter saw
> for non-square corners, among other things, but, even though I really don't
> have that much need, the _price_ is what makes it attractive.
>
> AAMOF, the thing I like the best is the knob doesn't get in the way of laying
> it flat for measuring ... just that feature in combination with the digital
> read-out in a t-bevel is worth the twenty bucks when you absolutely need it.
>
> <for those who just can't help themselves repeating the obvious, yes, I am well
> that non-digital versions have that same feature for less cost>
It's pretty common for me to need to set my (regular ol') sliding bevel to some
oddball angle, and for years I've been using various protractors or angle
gauges to do it. I recently bought this little gem:
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=64278&cat=1,43513 to do it
instead, and while it works OK, it's still pretty cumbersome for that purpose
and I think that digital sliding bevel will be just the ticket for me. I put
one on order; we shall see how it works out.
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To reply, eat the taco.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>
>--
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>Last update: 4/15/2010
>KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
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Who wants to wait for the Bridge City version at 5 or 10 times the price?
--
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Swingman wrote:
> On 2/15/2012 11:22 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2/15/2012 12:12 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>>> Sorry to reply to my own post: What is given up in accuracy besides the
>>> "arm" is loose enough to slide? Until I here more, it's going to say in
>>> my "gimmick" category. : )
>>
>>
>> Yea I looked at that yesterday, and the thing that hit me was the
>> accuracy of +-.3 degrees, but a resolution of .05 degrees. Seems odd
>> that the accuracy is so much further off than the resolution. What good
>> is .05 resolution if you can only have .3 accuracy. If the accuracy were
>> .1 I would understand.
>>
>> At that point I questioned it's legitimacy.
>
> As always, that depends entirely upon your use of the "gimmick" (and
> probably your imagination).
>
> With a few of the things where I can envision its usefulness, like some
> machine setup situations, the fact that you can't set the machine to a
> greater accuracy than the accuracy of the instrument itself makes it a
> moot point.
>
I'm all in favor a sliding t-bevel. I have found "creative" uses for
mine (like measuring the squareness of the inside of a box". My
curosity was about the added value of the digital guage. My dad, may he
rest in peace, would likely have said "It looks like another gimmick!"
: )
On 2/15/12 3:12 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/15/2012 3:06 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 2/15/2012 1:52 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seems to me that if the blade is more accurate than the read-out just
>>>> use the blade... I've got no problem laying my sliding bevel up against
>>>> the saw plate on my CMS and TS, and against the miter gauges on the TS,
>>>> BS, and router table... and there are no batteries to go dead or
>>>> crystals/lenses to break!
>>>
>>> I was talking about uses that were more along the line of using it to
>>> measure the angle of the corner of room (notoriously un-square),
>>> dividing by two, and setting your miter saw to the results ...
>>> anything that can get you into the ballpark quicker, at $20, will pay
>>> for itself pretty quickly.
>>
>> I guess I'm so used to using a protractor and sliding bevel for
>> measuring, and a shooting board for tweaking joints, that I don't even
>> think about dealing with non-square corners as a problem... It goes
>> along with the realization I had while working at Colonial Williamsburg
>> that pretty much the whole man-made world was built without electricity.
>> ;~)
>
>
> Absolutely nothing wrong with that ... some of us just find it makes us
> more competitive to use electricity when feeding the family with the
> proceeds.
>
> :)
>
Yeah, if someone wants to take his horse & buggy to work, that's fine
with me.
Good luck with that.
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On 2/16/2012 8:07 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/15/2012 5:52 PM, Larry W wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.eWoodShop.com
>>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
>>> http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>
>> Who wants to wait for the Bridge City version at 5 or 10 times the price?
>>
>>
>
> It is already out. And 22 times the price.
>
> http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/featured/amp-v2-anglemaster-pro-v2-with-shoe-kit-final-payment.html
>
It looks like they really tried hard with the parts they had on hand! : )
In article <[email protected]>,
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 2/15/2012 5:52 PM, Larry W wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.eWoodShop.com
>>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
>>> http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>
>> Who wants to wait for the Bridge City version at 5 or 10 times the price?
>>
>>
>
>It is already out. And 22 times the price.
>
>http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/featured/amp-v2-anglemaster-pro-v2-with-shoe-kit-final-payment.html
Will, I suppose it's nice that we have an American company who can compete
with Fein on pricing.
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In article <[email protected]>,
John Grossbohlin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/15/2012 5:52 PM, Larry W wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> www.eWoodShop.com
>>>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
>>>> http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>>
>>> Who wants to wait for the Bridge City version at 5 or 10 times the price?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It is already out. And 22 times the price.
>>
>>
>http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/featured/amp-v2-anglemaster-pro-v2-with-shoe-kit-final-payment.html
>
>This morning's spam from Woodworking magazine announces the Woodpeckers
>bevel gauge... the 7" is $70 and the 12" is $100. No batteries but the
>locking handle is in the end of the body. Looks like it's a one time run of
>these things and you have to order pre-production by 3/5.
>http://www.woodpeck.com/bevelgauge.html?et_mid=539067&rid=3341059 This
>locking gizmo seems more useful than knowing the
>angle in 1/10s of degrees via a display... but that's just me thinking about
>how I used these things.
>
>Red aluminum and stainless are pretty ugly, in my eyes, compared to the
>blued steel and rosewood of my most used bevel gauge. I cannot envision a
>nice patina developing on aluminum and stainless... However, that locking
>lever is cool... and having a bespoke tool is a neat idea. ;~)
>
>John
>
>
>
>
Google "Stanley bevel 18" You shouldn't have much trouble finding one
for $20 or so.
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On 2/17/2012 8:05 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/17/2012 6:38 PM, Father Haskell wrote:
>
>> Sliding bevels are for copying or transferring angles.
>
> Wow ... thanks for sharing that.
>
>> Readout seems like a needless add on.
>
> Yep, for those stuck in a rut with no imagination, it most probably is.
>
>> At least you'll still be able to use it as a sliding bevel
> > when the battery dies.
>
> So, when the battery dies, _you_ are that guy who buys a new tool instead of a
> battery?
>
> Well, that's a mystery solved. :)
>
> General?
>
> You don't sound all that confident ... just learned to read, or have no idea
> which "General" it is?
>
>> Hope it's more accurate than the
>> stamped out General 1/128" vernier caliper I bought
>> years ago.
>
> Yeah, I hope so too ... I'd hate to be that easily fooled.
>
> Hell, here lately I'm just trying to figure WTF makes some folks feel the need
> to be publicly negative about a tool of which they have _absolutely_ no first
> hand knowledge?
What Swing said.
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Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> Hell, here lately I'm just trying to figure WTF makes some folks feel
>> the need to be publicly negsative about a tool of which they have
>> _absolutely_ no first hand knowledge?
>
> Because it makes them feel like one of the elite.
>
There seems to be plenty of "publicly positive" information that is
shared by people who probably have _absolutely_ no first hand knowledge.
Lots of spreaders evidently spend a lot of money to spread their
"information". From most of what I have seen, no one here is getting
paid for his or her opinions. I don't know WTF they do it? Are you
trying to get your $19.95 back? : ) <just kidding!!!>
Bill wrote:
> On 2/18/2012 12:24 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> RE: Subject
>>
>> A solution looking for a problem to solve.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>
6 distinct gems (from the mineral Festool) are to be inlayed on the
outside of a wooden bracelet. Two such bracelets are the same if the
relative orientation of the gems is the same (for instance if the
bracelet is rotated or flipped upside down). How many ways can the gems
be inlayed (i.e. how many such bracelets are there)?
With a compass, or with a digital sliding T-bevel, it will be easy to
mark where the gems should be located! Of course, depending on
technique, error could be cumulative.
The problems seems more difficult using 7 distinct gems (score +1 for
the sliding T-bevel)!
Bill
On 2/21/2012 10:16 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/15/2012 2:24 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> Always a legitimate question: what sortakinda batteries does this
>> thing consume and what does one have to pay for those?
>
> It uses the ubiquitous ''CR2032'' battery. I keep a blister pack of a
> dozen of that particular battery in the shop has almost every tool that
> has a digital readout uses it.
I only have two digital readouts in the shop, one uses an L44 and one,
the Wixy uses the cr2032 thing. I think they all should use solar
cells like my $10, 35 year old calculator that runs easily off the shop
lights.
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On 2/15/2012 12:22 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Yea I looked at that yesterday, and the thing that hit me was the
> accuracy of +-.3 degrees, but a resolution of .05 degrees. Seems odd
> that the accuracy is so much further off than the resolution. What good
> is .05 resolution if you can only have .3 accuracy. If the accuracy were
> .1 I would understand.
I bought one of those Wixy magnetic angle things and they have an
accuracy of .1 degrees. When I got it, I naturally checked my table
saw, jointer and band saw. All 3 were within .1 degrees of perfect. I
had no idea if the gauge or my fences was off, given they have a .1
degree of accuracy. I then noted that if a breathed hard on a fence it
would change .1 degree, meaning .1 degree is more accurate than anyone
needs for wood work.
> At that point I questioned it's legitimacy.
I think it would be useful, and more accurate than my current angle
bevel that I use infrequently. The price is good at 20 bucks and on
Amazon, the same gauge is 30 bucks.
The only draw back I see is it must use batteries for a digital readout.
That means when you go to use it, the batteries will be dead. My Wixy
came with an extra battery, or was it my digital caliber? and I already
replaced the battery once. Must have been the caliber, as I only used
Wixy thing once. Also, every single electronic gimmick uses a different
battery. Must be 200 million different styles of watch batteries, one
for each different device.
On that subject, I bought a solar powered, credit card sized calculator
in the 70's. It is my shop calculator and it has a battery because it
works in no light. I never changed the battery, I don't think you can,
but damn the thing works for going on 40 years.
> I am interested but after having lost my job yesterday, I'll wait for
> your opinions.
That's my opinion and you only had to wait a few days:-)
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On 2/22/2012 9:45 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/21/2012 10:16 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 2/15/2012 2:24 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>> Always a legitimate question: what sortakinda batteries does this
>>> thing consume and what does one have to pay for those?
>>
>> It uses the ubiquitous ''CR2032'' battery. I keep a blister pack of a
>> dozen of that particular battery in the shop has almost every tool that
>> has a digital readout uses it.
>
> I only have two digital readouts in the shop, one uses an L44 and one, the Wixy
> uses the cr2032 thing. I think they all should use solar cells like my $10, 35
> year old calculator that runs easily off the shop lights.
I agree with that one! I have a calculator like that and it just keeps going
and going.
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Swingman wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 9:45 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>> I think they all should use solar cells
>> like my $10, 35 year old calculator that runs easily off the shop lights.
>
> My old Aurora D19, which I've had for about 25 years, still works as
> long as I bring it can get sunlight. Still my favorite desktop
> calculator of all time ... so much so that I built a holder for it out
> of scraps some years back:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5684906486789300626
>
Wow, snazzy! : )
Bill
On 2/22/2012 11:15 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Jack wrote:
>> On that subject, I bought a solar powered, credit card sized
>> calculator in the 70's. It is my shop calculator and it has a
>> battery because it works in no light. I never changed the battery, I
>> don't think you can, but damn the thing works for going on 40 years.
> Cannot tell you how much I agree! I too have an ancient solar powered
> calculator with a backup battery, and it has been working for decades. Some
> ideas just seem so logical, but I guess they must not be...
Mine was bought at Radio Shack for about $10 if I recall.
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On 2/22/2012 5:54 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> My wife has a calculator that was given to her before we married -
> and that's 31 years ago, It is NOT solar, and is still working. It's a
> Canon Palmtronic. Just checked and it says "uses 2 penlight batteries
> 1.5 volt" They must have been REAL GOOD batteries, because she has
> never changed them, and nor have I. (she wouldn't know how, and I know
> this is the first time it's been removed from it's case by me)
I have a battery powered volt meter that does ohms, volts and all that
rot. My BIL gave it to me around 1975 and it takes one AA battery,
maybe two. I never changed the battery, it has a white paper label with
no name on it. Still works perfectly. I thought both these items, my
calc and this thing were some sort of freaky thing, but seems there was
a lot of this going around in the 70's. I don't think this happens any
more, am I wrong?
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On 2/22/2012 11:22 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 9:45 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>> I think they all should use solar cells
>> like my $10, 35 year old calculator that runs easily off the shop lights.
>
> My old Aurora D19, which I've had for about 25 years, still works as
> long as I bring it can get sunlight. Still my favorite desktop
> calculator of all time ... so much so that I built a holder for it out
> of scraps some years back:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5684906486789300626
Mine lives on top of my TS Fence. It has a fake leather case, might be
real leather, who knows. It's small, and has about 4 tiny solar cells
that run it off my shop lights, no sun needed.
http://jbstein.com/Flick/Calc.jpg
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On 2/22/2012 7:52 PM, CW wrote:
> I have noticed on these digital measuring tools that temperature
> shortens battery life AND not turning it off. ;!)
> " My digital TiltBox", sliding it in its soft cover case and
> accidentally turning it back on in the process. I have learned to pay
> close attention to not pushing where the switches are located when
> putting the tools back in their cases.
> ============================================================================
>
> I have a Mititoyo digital caliper. If I use it daily as usual, the
> battery will last about two years. If I let it sit for a couple weeks
> without using it, the battery will go dead. BTW, I never turn it off.
My digital calibers, calculator and Wixy angle gauge all go off
automatically. That didn't help my HF calibers though, that battery
was replaced in less than a year. It has the L44 and it came with an
extra battery, which I'm using now. It gets average use, maybe once or
twice a week at most.
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On 2/23/2012 8:00 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Jack<[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>> I have a battery powered volt meter that does ohms, volts and all that
>> rot. My BIL gave it to me around 1975 and it takes one AA battery,
>> maybe two. I never changed the battery, it has a white paper label
>> with no name on it. Still works perfectly. I thought both these
>> items, my calc and this thing were some sort of freaky thing, but
>> seems there was a lot of this going around in the 70's. I don't think
>> this happens any more, am I wrong?
> The only thing you've got to keep an eye on is leaking batteries. An
> analog meter doesn't need the battery to measure anything but
> resistance, so naturally it'll last forever.
I always thought batteries had a short shelf life whether used or not.
Guess I was wrong. Another thing that lasted around 10 years or more
was one of those little kids book that played a song when you opened it.
This was the itsy bitsy spider book, and it was sitting in a bookcase
for many years and when I opened the thing, it still worked. I'd guess
10 years at least.
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"Larry W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> John Grossbohlin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
> Google "Stanley bevel 18" You shouldn't have much trouble finding one
> for $20 or so.
Interesting... I'll keep my eyes open while wandering the floor at my club's
woodworking show in Saratoga Springs at the end of March... It's coming up
quicker than I am getting ready for it!
John
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:54:07 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/22/2012 5:54 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> My wife has a calculator that was given to her before we married -
>> and that's 31 years ago, It is NOT solar, and is still working. It's a
>> Canon Palmtronic. Just checked and it says "uses 2 penlight batteries
>> 1.5 volt" They must have been REAL GOOD batteries, because she has
>> never changed them, and nor have I. (she wouldn't know how, and I know
>> this is the first time it's been removed from it's case by me)
>
>I have a battery powered volt meter that does ohms, volts and all that
>rot. My BIL gave it to me around 1975 and it takes one AA battery,
>maybe two. I never changed the battery, it has a white paper label with
>no name on it. Still works perfectly. I thought both these items, my
>calc and this thing were some sort of freaky thing, but seems there was
>a lot of this going around in the 70's. I don't think this happens any
>more, am I wrong?
"green" batteries don't last like the "dirty" ones made 40 some
years ago. Most multi-testers have 9 volt batteries in them. I've
changed a few in the last couple months that have been installed since
the early '80s. One leaked a bit but did no damage, and one had
actually outlasted the meter. Meter said "low battery" - put in a new
one - still said "low battery". Checked the battery - fine. Threw out
the tester.
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:50:29 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Feb 18, 1:06 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:38:31 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Feb 15, 11:55 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>
>> >> --www.eWoodShop.com
>> >> Last update: 4/15/2010
>> >> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>
>> >Sliding bevels are for copying or transferring angles.
>> >Readout seems like a needless add on. At least you'll
>> >still be able to use it as a sliding bevel when the battery
>> >dies. General? Hope it's more accurate than the
>> >stamped out General 1/128" vernier caliper I bought
>> >years ago.
>>
>> You can take the digitally accurate angle and put it onto a miter saw
>> for a precise cut. It's tougher and takes longer with a sliding
>> bevel. You always nudge the slider with the miter blade while trying
>> to get the angle right. DAMHIKT
>
>How well is your miter saw set up?
<blush> You just reminded me to take it apart, clean it, and lube it
up while it's sitting idle this winter. But a loose one will do it,
too.
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based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that
I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as
I have received and am still receiving.
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"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/15/2012 5:52 PM, Larry W wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.eWoodShop.com
>>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
>>> http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>
>> Who wants to wait for the Bridge City version at 5 or 10 times the price?
>>
>>
>
> It is already out. And 22 times the price.
>
> http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/featured/amp-v2-anglemaster-pro-v2-with-shoe-kit-final-payment.html
This morning's spam from Woodworking magazine announces the Woodpeckers
bevel gauge... the 7" is $70 and the 12" is $100. No batteries but the
locking handle is in the end of the body. Looks like it's a one time run of
these things and you have to order pre-production by 3/5.
http://www.woodpeck.com/bevelgauge.html?et_mid=539067&rid=3341059 This
locking gizmo seems more useful than knowing the
angle in 1/10s of degrees via a display... but that's just me thinking about
how I used these things.
Red aluminum and stainless are pretty ugly, in my eyes, compared to the
blued steel and rosewood of my most used bevel gauge. I cannot envision a
nice patina developing on aluminum and stainless... However, that locking
lever is cool... and having a bespoke tool is a neat idea. ;~)
John
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:07:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/15/2012 5:52 PM, Larry W wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.eWoodShop.com
>>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
>>> http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>>
>> Who wants to wait for the Bridge City version at 5 or 10 times the price?
>>
>
>It is already out. And 22 times the price.
How Festooly^H^H^H^Hive!
>http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/featured/amp-v2-anglemaster-pro-v2-with-shoe-kit-final-payment.html
Where's the applause coming from? Oh, I do believe it's coming from
the grave of Rube Goldberg himself!
--
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-- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:05:06 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hell, here lately I'm just trying to figure WTF makes some folks feel
>the need to be publicly negative about a tool of which they have
>_absolutely_ no first hand knowledge?
A little volatile lately are we? <g>
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:01:17 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Feb 15, 11:55 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>
>> --www.eWoodShop.com
>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
>
>If it works as advertised, and there is no reason to think it won't,
>that will be one helluva handy go-to tool. Pocket size to boot.
I'm sure they do. I bought one of these and it works great.
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,43513&p=64278
It saved me a lot of time in reproducing angles in a porch rail
replacement I did last year. We changed the height to meet regs so I
couldn't just copy the angles there.
(Hey, Swingy! Wanna trade? I like yours better.)
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-- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach
On 2/15/2012 11:39 AM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 2/15/2012 10:55 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>
>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>
> Hey, you're supposed to wait until I get mine ordered and delivered
> before you go telling everybody else and their mother about stuff like
> this.
I can see occasions where it would be real handy, like when setting a
miter saw for non-square corners, among other things, but, even though I
really don't have that much need, the _price_ is what makes it attractive.
AAMOF, the thing I like the best is the knob doesn't get in the way of
laying it flat for measuring ... just that feature in combination with
the digital read-out in a t-bevel is worth the twenty bucks when you
absolutely need it.
<for those who just can't help themselves repeating the obvious, yes, I
am well that non-digital versions have that same feature for less cost>
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On 2/15/2012 2:24 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> Always a legitimate question: what sortakinda batteries does this
> thing consume and what does one have to pay for those?
It uses the ubiquitous ''CR2032'' battery. I keep a blister pack of a
dozen of that particular battery in the shop has almost every tool that
has a digital readout uses it.
--
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Last update: 4/15/2010
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I only wish my son gets bitten by the working wood bug, but I don't
think he has it. Computers are his thing. He has a disorder that makes
his hands shake so bad that watching him try to hold a screw driver is
nerve racking.
He wanted to do some soldering for his computer... he could not get the
solder to the joint, nor the tip of the iron to stay on the joint.
My tools will be sold at some garage sale or ebay... Too bad, I do have
a few really nice tools. Lie Nielsen planes, Veritas Planes, I have
about a 1/2 dozen baileys and sweet hearts. I started collecting wooden
planes, molding planes..etc I can't put my finger on my most prized
tool, but it isn't my power collection which right now only lacks a lathe.
My work bench will probably stay with him. It's a solid workbench.
I have some really nice Disston saws before they turned to crap. Some
real beauties with awesome handles.
On 2/16/2012 8:12 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/16/2012 2:19 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> I hope you got that as a work of art.
>> It's original price while high, and very high back then, might be
>> worth it.
>
> I once saw it being offered about 10 years ago >$500. My son will
> probably make some money off if it some day.
>
>>
>> But I wouldn't. You do seem to have the best tools Leon. Can I come over
>> and borrow some 8>)
>
>
> Sure! Bring money for non refundable deposit. ;~)
On 2/16/2012 2:19 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> I hope you got that as a work of art.
> It's original price while high, and very high back then, might be worth it.
I once saw it being offered about 10 years ago >$500. My son will
probably make some money off if it some day.
>
> But I wouldn't. You do seem to have the best tools Leon. Can I come over
> and borrow some 8>)
Sure! Bring money for non refundable deposit. ;~)
On 2/15/2012 3:06 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/15/2012 1:52 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>
>>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>>
>>>
>>> Seems to me that if the blade is more accurate than the read-out just
>>> use the blade... I've got no problem laying my sliding bevel up against
>>> the saw plate on my CMS and TS, and against the miter gauges on the TS,
>>> BS, and router table... and there are no batteries to go dead or
>>> crystals/lenses to break!
>>
>> I was talking about uses that were more along the line of using it to
>> measure the angle of the corner of room (notoriously un-square),
>> dividing by two, and setting your miter saw to the results ...
>> anything that can get you into the ballpark quicker, at $20, will pay
>> for itself pretty quickly.
>
> I guess I'm so used to using a protractor and sliding bevel for
> measuring, and a shooting board for tweaking joints, that I don't even
> think about dealing with non-square corners as a problem... It goes
> along with the realization I had while working at Colonial Williamsburg
> that pretty much the whole man-made world was built without electricity.
> ;~)
Absolutely nothing wrong with that ... some of us just find it makes us
more competitive to use electricity when feeding the family with the
proceeds.
:)
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/15/2012 3:06 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 2/15/2012 1:52 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seems to me that if the blade is more accurate than the read-out just
>>>> use the blade... I've got no problem laying my sliding bevel up against
>>>> the saw plate on my CMS and TS, and against the miter gauges on the TS,
>>>> BS, and router table... and there are no batteries to go dead or
>>>> crystals/lenses to break!
>>>
>>> I was talking about uses that were more along the line of using it to
>>> measure the angle of the corner of room (notoriously un-square),
>>> dividing by two, and setting your miter saw to the results ...
>>> anything that can get you into the ballpark quicker, at $20, will pay
>>> for itself pretty quickly.
>>
>> I guess I'm so used to using a protractor and sliding bevel for
>> measuring, and a shooting board for tweaking joints, that I don't even
>> think about dealing with non-square corners as a problem... It goes
>> along with the realization I had while working at Colonial Williamsburg
>> that pretty much the whole man-made world was built without electricity.
>> ;~)
>
>
> Absolutely nothing wrong with that ... some of us just find it makes us
> more competitive to use electricity when feeding the family with the
> proceeds.
>
> :)
Yup... There are absolutely times when electricity makes a lot of sense...
and other times when meat powered tools make sense... Developing skill with
both types of power lets you solve problems and get things done!
Well, I guess then its not a bad deal for you.
I have kind of liked the idea of:
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=52403&cat=1,42936,50298&ap=2
but have used various protractors to set my angle.
And after just revisiting the page, at almost twice the price, I guess
20 is not so bad a risk.
On 2/15/2012 2:46 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 2/15/2012 11:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 2/15/2012 11:39 AM, Steve Turner wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2012 10:55 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,42936,50298&p=69055
>>>
>>> Hey, you're supposed to wait until I get mine ordered and delivered
>>> before you go telling everybody else and their mother about stuff like
>>> this.
>>
>> I can see occasions where it would be real handy, like when setting a
>> miter saw
>> for non-square corners, among other things, but, even though I really
>> don't
>> have that much need, the _price_ is what makes it attractive.
>>
>> AAMOF, the thing I like the best is the knob doesn't get in the way of
>> laying
>> it flat for measuring ... just that feature in combination with the
>> digital
>> read-out in a t-bevel is worth the twenty bucks when you absolutely
>> need it.
>>
>> <for those who just can't help themselves repeating the obvious, yes,
>> I am well
>> that non-digital versions have that same feature for less cost>
>
> It's pretty common for me to need to set my (regular ol') sliding bevel
> to some oddball angle, and for years I've been using various protractors
> or angle gauges to do it. I recently bought this little gem:
> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=64278&cat=1,43513 to do it
> instead, and while it works OK, it's still pretty cumbersome for that
> purpose and I think that digital sliding bevel will be just the ticket
> for me. I put one on order; we shall see how it works out.
>