> Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
> iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
> just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
> the board
I just finished a project that used iron-on veneer edging. I bought one of
those trimmer tools but ended up not using it. Depending on the grain
direction of the iron-on veneer, it will either cut cleanly or tear off a
chunk. Sort of like Russian roulette. I ended up sanding and cutting with a
razor blade.
The veneer trimmer I used was sold by Freud but it's probably a generic item
also sold by other manufacturers. I think it'd work great for cutting
plastic edgebanding, but for wood, as least it my experience, it doesn't
work well at all.
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:39:12 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence Zarb"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
>iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
>just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
>the board
Here are 2 in the US.
http://shop.woodcraft.com/Woodcraft/product_family.asp?family%5Fid=1701&gift=False&mscssid=8E6561991AD0408ABDC4943054BF16A2
http://www.vandykes.com/product/02286821/
Maybe they ship to the UK. But there might be a better option in the UK.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
> iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
> just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
> the board
>
>
>
Many of these gizmos are available but very few work well IME when used
with natural veneer. You have to observe the run of the veneer grain to
ensure you trim along with it. If you attempt to trim against the grain
then it is prone to splinter which can be a real PITA.
I prefer a small electric trimmer myself or a well tuned low angle block
plane a la Lie Nielsen.
--
Paul Mc Cann
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Lawrence Zarb wrote:
>
> > Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
> > iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
> > just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
> > the board
> >
> >
> Just use a coarse sanding block, followed up by a fine one. Takes
> minutes only.
>
>
This would be the final step after trimming the veneer.
--
Paul Mc Cann
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> "Lawrence Zarb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
> > iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
> > just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
> > the board
>
> Flip it over so the veneer to be trimmed is on a firm base and use an
> xacto knife, razor blade, etc.
>
Having tried this also I can say it didn't work well for me.You run the
risk of cutting the veneer on the other surface
--
Paul Mc Cann
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Paul Mc Cann wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >
> >>Lawrence Zarb wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
> >>>iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
> >>>just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
> >>>the board
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Just use a coarse sanding block, followed up by a fine one. Takes
> >>minutes only.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > This would be the final step after trimming the veneer.
>
> You can easily take off 1/8" with coarse paper.
>
> snip.
>
>
>
Well I can't. 3mm is just enough to encourage one to go at it with
vigour, with unfortunate consequences as the veneer on the panel itself
is usually paper thin.
Besides there is usually more than 3mm to remove
--
Paul Mc Cann
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Paul Mc Cann wrote:
>=20
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >=20
> >>Paul Mc Cann wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Lawrence Zarb wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim ex=
cess
> >>>>>iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that=
you
> >>>>>just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush w=
ith
> >>>>>the board
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Just use a coarse sanding block, followed up by a fine one. Takes=20
> >>>>minutes only.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>This would be the final step after trimming the veneer.
> >>
> >>You can easily take off 1/8" with coarse paper.
> >>
> >>snip.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >=20
> > Well I can't. 3mm is just enough to encourage one to go at it with=20
> > vigour, with unfortunate consequences as the veneer on the panel itself=
=20
> > is usually paper thin.=20
> >=20
>=20
> What's that old saw about bad workmen and their tools? :-)
>=20
> > Besides there is usually more than 3mm to remove
>=20
> Stanley knife will rough that off,. Or as suggested elswehere a good chis=
el.
No to both. Fine for an experienced user which is what the o.p=20
apparently isn't , hence the question.
A stanley knife will only make a crigs of the job. Eventually the run of=20
the grain will catch one out with dire consequences. A sharp chisel and=20
an experienced pair of hnads might suffice for a small amount but not=20
for a run.
>=20
> If you want a good finish on anything it takes time and patience, not=20
> special tools.
>=20
>=20
Believe me I have lots of both. The operation under discussion is one I=20
have done many times. It is one of those things that sounds simple but=20
turns out to be infuriating. I wasted money on various items=20
incorporating craft/stanley knife blades. The best was an Austrian one=20
which is not freely available in the U.K., and even that really only=20
excels with plastic laminate. A good machine to carry out the operation=20
of applying the veneer with top and bottom, front and back trim costs=20
=A315k upwards and beleive me the major effort in this is the trimming,=20
not melting hot melt glue and applying it.
My preferred tool is an Hitachi trimmer, I'm no masochist.
--=20
Paul Mc Cann
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Paul Mc Cann <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> > > "Lawrence Zarb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
> > > > iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
> > > > just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
> > > > the board
> > >
> > > Flip it over so the veneer to be trimmed is on a firm base and use an
> > > xacto knife, razor blade, etc.
> > >
> > Having tried this also I can say it didn't work well for me.You run the
> > risk of cutting the veneer on the other surface
>
> How? You keep the blade flat against the edge. My favorite tool is a
> Steve Knight marking knife.
>
An xacto knife has a handle which would preclude holding the blade flat
to the surface in the scenario outlined above.
If the secondary surface is going to be used to guide the blade three is
every chance of damaging it.
Been there etc. etc.
--
Paul Mc Cann
If there is not much left hanging over, then I use a block plane to trim it
off. If there is more, then I flip the board over with the veneer side down
and cut it off with a veneer saw, then block plane to touch up the last bit.
I've never tried the chisel way, so I can't compare. A good sharp veneer saw
is cheap to buy and a joy to use.
Bernie
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:51:02 -0700, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim
excess
> >> iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that
you
> >> just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
> >> the board
> >
> >I just finished a project that used iron-on veneer edging. I bought one
of
> >those trimmer tools but ended up not using it. Depending on the grain
> >direction of the iron-on veneer, it will either cut cleanly or tear off a
> >chunk. Sort of like Russian roulette. I ended up sanding and cutting with
a
> >razor blade.
> >
> >The veneer trimmer I used was sold by Freud but it's probably a generic
item
> >also sold by other manufacturers. I think it'd work great for cutting
> >plastic edgebanding, but for wood, as least it my experience, it doesn't
> >work well at all.
> >
>
>
>
> what works best for me is a nice sharp chisel.
"Lawrence Zarb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
> iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
> just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
> the board
Flip it over so the veneer to be trimmed is on a firm base and use an
xacto knife, razor blade, etc.
Paul Mc Cann <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > "Lawrence Zarb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > > Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
> > > iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
> > > just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
> > > the board
> >
> > Flip it over so the veneer to be trimmed is on a firm base and use an
> > xacto knife, razor blade, etc.
> >
> Having tried this also I can say it didn't work well for me.You run the
> risk of cutting the veneer on the other surface
How? You keep the blade flat against the edge. My favorite tool is a
Steve Knight marking knife.
Paul Mc Cann <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > Paul Mc Cann <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > [email protected] says...
> > > > "Lawrence Zarb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > > Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
> > > > > iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
> > > > > just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
> > > > > the board
> > > >
> > > > Flip it over so the veneer to be trimmed is on a firm base and use an
> > > > xacto knife, razor blade, etc.
> > > >
> > > Having tried this also I can say it didn't work well for me.You run the
> > > risk of cutting the veneer on the other surface
> >
> > How? You keep the blade flat against the edge. My favorite tool is a
> > Steve Knight marking knife.
> >
> An xacto knife has a handle which would preclude holding the blade flat
> to the surface in the scenario outlined above.
>
> If the secondary surface is going to be used to guide the blade three is
> every chance of damaging it.
>
> Been there etc. etc.
I've done it and it works. Don't try and cut it all at once. Take
several light scores to establish the line. I still prefer a marking
knife (which incidentally has a thicker handle than an exacto knife).
Lawrence Zarb wrote:
> Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
> iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
> just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
> the board
>
>
Just use a coarse sanding block, followed up by a fine one. Takes
minutes only.
Paul Mc Cann wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
>>Lawrence Zarb wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
>>>iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
>>>just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
>>>the board
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Just use a coarse sanding block, followed up by a fine one. Takes
>>minutes only.
>>
>>
>
> This would be the final step after trimming the veneer.
You can easily take off 1/8" with coarse paper.
The other thing is a router with appropriate cutter.
Paul Mc Cann wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
>>Paul Mc Cann wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Lawrence Zarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
>>>>>iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
>>>>>just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
>>>>>the board
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Just use a coarse sanding block, followed up by a fine one. Takes
>>>>minutes only.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>This would be the final step after trimming the veneer.
>>
>>You can easily take off 1/8" with coarse paper.
>>
>>snip.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well I can't. 3mm is just enough to encourage one to go at it with
> vigour, with unfortunate consequences as the veneer on the panel itself
> is usually paper thin.
>
What's that old saw about bad workmen and their tools? :-)
> Besides there is usually more than 3mm to remove
Stanley knife will rough that off,. Or as suggested elswehere a good chisel.
If you want a good finish on anything it takes time and patience, not
special tools.
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:02:22 +0100, Paul Mc Cann <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> "Lawrence Zarb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> > Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
>> > iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
>> > just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
>> > the board
>>
>> Flip it over so the veneer to be trimmed is on a firm base and use an
>> xacto knife, razor blade, etc.
>>
>Having tried this also I can say it didn't work well for me.You run the
>risk of cutting the veneer on the other surface
the advantage of using a chisel is that the blade has no flex. much
easier to control than an exacto knife.
>> >>>>>Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
>> >>>>>iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
>> >>>>>just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
>> >>>>>the board
I have one of the double sided virutex trimmers. it's a pain to keep
adjusted and really only works well for plastic edging. the wood grain
tears out too easily...
http://store.yahoo.com/toolsplus/virau-93.html
>> >>>>Just use a coarse sanding block, followed up by a fine one. Takes
>> >>>>minutes only.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>This would be the final step after trimming the veneer.
I trim with a blade and finish with fine sandpaper on a rubber pad.
>> > Besides there is usually more than 3mm to remove
>>
>> Stanley knife will rough that off,. Or as suggested elswehere a good chisel.
>
>No to both. Fine for an experienced user which is what the o.p
>apparently isn't , hence the question.
>
>A stanley knife will only make a crigs of the job.
> Eventually the run of
>the grain will catch one out with dire consequences.
agreed.
> A sharp chisel and
>an experienced pair of hnads might suffice for a small amount but not
>for a run.
thing is for me it's what works best. a thick, short, wide chisel as
sharp as you can get it. it takes a light touch, but the skill is
easily learned and the process is pretty quick once you get going.
>>
>> If you want a good finish on anything it takes time and patience, not
>> special tools.
>>
>>
>Believe me I have lots of both. The operation under discussion is one I
>have done many times. It is one of those things that sounds simple but
>turns out to be infuriating. I wasted money on various items
>incorporating craft/stanley knife blades. The best was an Austrian one
>which is not freely available in the U.K., and even that really only
>excels with plastic laminate.
I have bought prolly a half-dozen gizmos for trimming edging, ranging
from ones costing a few dollars to one costing about $100 (US).
here's the expensive one.
http://www.interwood.co.uk/vint899/it080005.htm
prolly cheaper east of the atlantic. it's a clever, well made tool
that works fine on plastic edging and tears out on wood edging.
here's the one that has worked best for me. it was also one of the
cheapest.
http://www.woodbutcher.net/images/normstools/edge-trimmer.htm
the chisel still works better, though.
> A good machine to carry out the operation
>of applying the veneer with top and bottom, front and back trim costs
>£15k upwards and beleive me the major effort in this is the trimming,
>not melting hot melt glue and applying it.
I have neither room nor funds nor desire for such a machine...
>
>My preferred tool is an Hitachi trimmer, I'm no masochist.
the glue just fouls the router bit. the chisel is faster....
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:51:02 -0700, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
>> iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
>> just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
>> the board
>
>I just finished a project that used iron-on veneer edging. I bought one of
>those trimmer tools but ended up not using it. Depending on the grain
>direction of the iron-on veneer, it will either cut cleanly or tear off a
>chunk. Sort of like Russian roulette. I ended up sanding and cutting with a
>razor blade.
>
>The veneer trimmer I used was sold by Freud but it's probably a generic item
>also sold by other manufacturers. I think it'd work great for cutting
>plastic edgebanding, but for wood, as least it my experience, it doesn't
>work well at all.
>
what works best for me is a nice sharp chisel.
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:57:26 +0100, Paul Mc Cann <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> Paul Mc Cann wrote:
>>
>> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> >
>> >>Paul Mc Cann wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Lawrence Zarb wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Does any one know where to buy a veneer trimmer, in order to trim excess
>> >>>>>iron on veneers from the edge od boards. Its a hand held device that you
>> >>>>>just run along the edge of the board and it trims both sides flush with
>> >>>>>the board
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Just use a coarse sanding block, followed up by a fine one. Takes
>> >>>>minutes only.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>This would be the final step after trimming the veneer.
>> >>
>> >>You can easily take off 1/8" with coarse paper.
>> >>
>> >>snip.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well I can't. 3mm is just enough to encourage one to go at it with
>> > vigour, with unfortunate consequences as the veneer on the panel itself
>> > is usually paper thin.
>> >
>>
>> What's that old saw about bad workmen and their tools? :-)
>>
>> > Besides there is usually more than 3mm to remove
>>
>> Stanley knife will rough that off,. Or as suggested elswehere a good chisel.
>
>No to both. Fine for an experienced user which is what the o.p
>apparently isn't , hence the question.
>
>A stanley knife will only make a crigs of the job. Eventually the run of
>the grain will catch one out with dire consequences. A sharp chisel and
>an experienced pair of hnads might suffice for a small amount but not
>for a run.
>>
>> If you want a good finish on anything it takes time and patience, not
>> special tools.
>>
>>
>Believe me I have lots of both. The operation under discussion is one I
>have done many times. It is one of those things that sounds simple but
>turns out to be infuriating. I wasted money on various items
>incorporating craft/stanley knife blades. The best was an Austrian one
>which is not freely available in the U.K., and even that really only
>excels with plastic laminate. A good machine to carry out the operation
>of applying the veneer with top and bottom, front and back trim costs
>£15k upwards and beleive me the major effort in this is the trimming,
>not melting hot melt glue and applying it.
>
>My preferred tool is an Hitachi trimmer, I'm no masochist.
I have had great sucess trimming veneer using an old re-sharpened clam
knife. I just used a file and left the "saw tooth" edge on the blade.
The key is to use any knife that has a curve toward the front edge.
That way a gradual cut is assured thru the veneer. I remove the small
amount of veneer left with a file and then sandpaper wrapped around a
block of wood.