Bill <[email protected]> wrote in news:mtsbld01177
@news6.newsguy.com:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>> hairdad wrote:
>>>> What angle do you set your honing guide to fie chisels and plane
>>>> irons?
>>> I would not use a guide to hone. If your tools are already sharpened,
>>> then your decision is basically already made for you.
>> I would. Why would you not?
>
> I bought a (cheap) guide but never used it, preferring to develop my
> sense of "feel".
> So far, so good.
If you ever want to sharpen a skewed blade, you'll be glad you
developed that sense.
John
Bill <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I would say knowledge and practice, in that order. Sharpening isn't
> "rocket science", but one can't take too much for granted. Better
> luck on your next tool! To me it is remarkable how easy it is for my
> mind to "drift" while sharpening. I think paying attention is the
> hardest part.
Yeah, that's getting the "feel" that you mentioned earlier.
If you have that, you can sort of run on autopilot, your
body automatically maintaining the right position.
There are days when it works like that for me, at least
for a while. And then there are days when it seems like
nothing I do will keep the blade at the intended angle.
John
On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 10:52:30 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 07:41:08 -0700 (PDT), hairdad < wrote:
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> >What angle do you set your honing guide to fie chisels and plane irons?=
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>
What kind of chisel(s) are you wanting to sharpen? There are different re=
commendations for different chisels. I suppose you are referring to bench=
chisels.
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> chisels: http://www.fine-tools.com/veritas-chisels.html
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This is a good site. The initial opening page article speaks of bench chi=
sels. The tabs on the right side of the page reference other kinds of chi=
sels. The beveled edge on my paring chisels are different than on my benc=
h chisels, and they should be different. =20
*On the opening page of the link, the pic shows the use of a bench chisel, =
for (I suppose) fine trimming of a dovetail. I would use a paring chisel =
for that job and other similar precision/fine cuttings. Other examples, m=
ortises: a mortise chisel for the bulk, then a paring chisel to clean up, f=
ine tune, the edges; Dutchmans: a bench and/or mortise chisel for the bul=
k of the slot, then a paring chisel for fine tuning the edges. *Do not us=
e a mallet on a paring chisel. A paring chisel should be sharp enough to =
use hand pressure, only.
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> plane irons: http://www.leevalley.com/us/shopping/Instructions.aspx?p=3D=
56081
Sonny
On 9/23/2015 11:50 AM, Bill wrote:
> hairdad wrote:
>> If it was hollow ground it would be easy to freehand because you
>> only have two contact points. I tried free handing it, all I
>> accomplished was to round d it off. I k own practice. ð
>
> I would say knowledge and practice, in that order. Sharpening isn't
> "rocket science", but one can't take too much for granted. Better luck
> on your next tool! To me it is remarkable how easy it is for my mind to
> "drift" while sharpening. I think paying attention is the hardest part.
Yea, that figures. :-0
--
Jeff
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 07:41:08 -0700 (PDT), hairdad <[email protected]> wrote:
>What angle do you set your honing guide to fie chisels and plane irons?
chisels: http://www.fine-tools.com/veritas-chisels.html
plane irons: http://www.leevalley.com/us/shopping/Instructions.aspx?p=56081
On 9/22/2015 3:56 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>> hairdad wrote:
>>>>> What angle do you set your honing guide to fie chisels and plane
>>>>> irons?
>>>> I would not use a guide to hone. If your tools are already
>>>> sharpened, then your decision is basically already made for you.
>>> I would. Why would you not?
>>
>> I bought a (cheap) guide but never used it, preferring to develop my
>> sense of "feel".
>> So far, so good.
>
> That's not a horrible approach by any means. Many of us have developed that
> "sense" for the edge of what we are sharpening, so it clearly does work.
> Not to say that the guide will not work for those who just don't develop
> that feel.
>
I freehand most of the time. But a guide is necessary when I have to
remove a knick. At that point it's sometimes too much to free hand. The
guide provides a way of quickly reforming the new bevel.
--
Jeff
Bill wrote:
> hairdad wrote:
>> What angle do you set your honing guide to fie chisels and plane
>> irons?
>
> I would not use a guide to hone. If your tools are already sharpened,
> then your decision is basically already made for you.
I would. Why would you not?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> hairdad wrote:
>>> What angle do you set your honing guide to fie chisels and plane
>>> irons?
>> I would not use a guide to hone. If your tools are already sharpened,
>> then your decision is basically already made for you.
> I would. Why would you not?
I bought a (cheap) guide but never used it, preferring to develop my
sense of "feel".
So far, so good.
>
Bill wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>> hairdad wrote:
>>>> What angle do you set your honing guide to fie chisels and plane
>>>> irons?
>>> I would not use a guide to hone. If your tools are already
>>> sharpened, then your decision is basically already made for you.
>> I would. Why would you not?
>
> I bought a (cheap) guide but never used it, preferring to develop my
> sense of "feel".
> So far, so good.
That's not a horrible approach by any means. Many of us have developed that
"sense" for the edge of what we are sharpening, so it clearly does work.
Not to say that the guide will not work for those who just don't develop
that feel.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>> hairdad wrote:
>>>>> What angle do you set your honing guide to fie chisels and plane
>>>>> irons?
>>>> I would not use a guide to hone. If your tools are already
>>>> sharpened, then your decision is basically already made for you.
>>> I would. Why would you not?
>> I bought a (cheap) guide but never used it, preferring to develop my
>> sense of "feel".
>> So far, so good.
> That's not a horrible approach by any means. Many of us have developed that
> "sense" for the edge of what we are sharpening, so it clearly does work.
> Not to say that the guide will not work for those who just don't develop
> that feel.
>
Yes, they should just be made aware that they don't have to be dependent
on the guide. Putting on a new primary bevel may be something else
altogether.
hairdad wrote:
> If it was hollow ground it would be easy to freehand because you only have two contact points. I tried free handing it, all I accomplished was to round d it off. I k own practice. ð
I would say knowledge and practice, in that order. Sharpening isn't
"rocket science", but one can't take too much for granted. Better luck
on your next tool! To me it is remarkable how easy it is for my mind to
"drift" while sharpening. I think paying attention is the hardest part.
Bill wrote:
> To me it is remarkable how easy it is for my
> mind to "drift" while sharpening. I think paying attention is the
> hardest part.
Ohhhhhh Bill... Just wait - it gets worse as you get older...
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-Mike-
[email protected]