cubbie construction

[email protected] (Dan Cullimore) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I would cut dados across the horizontal shelves and fitting shorter
> vertical dividers in the dados. This would make a stronger unit.
> Might be faster, too. Put a back panel on it (to keep it from
> racking) fitted in a rabbeted edge (to keep things neat). Remember to
> subtract the thickness of the back from the width of the center shelf
> and dividers, and add the combined depths of the dados to their length
> and heigths (respectively).

I don't believe this would be stronger. The unit would be apt to fold
at the shelves, making the square cubbies into parallelograms on the
way to failure. Having continuous vertical members is stronger. Your
design rotated 90 degrees would work better, as another poster
mentioned. This way the shelves would be short and nest in dados cut
into the vertical members.

>
> And yes, the dados or slots should be the same size as the board.

Actually, if you want to make a truely strong unit, the slots in the
shelves (not the vertical members) should be about 1/8" narrower than
the board. First you plough a 1/16" deep dado, the width of the board,
on both sides of each interior vertical board (inside only on end
boards), all the way across where they will intersect the shelves.
Then cut your half-width slots centered in these dados. When the
boards are joined, the dados in the vertical members will support the
slotted portions of the shelves, so you won't end up with any
unsupported structure. Technically, this does have the disadvantage of
weakening the beam strength of the vertical members, but that
shouldn't be much of a problem given how shelves are loaded.

For aesthetic reasons, the full-width dados could instead be stopped
dados, so that you don't see them from the front. This would require
widening that portion of the slot in the shelves.

>
> Keep us posted, hero.

Ditto.


-Mike

Brad Bruce <[email protected]> wrote in
news:sl50d.115$AK4.48@trndny07:

> sr_wood wrote:
>> I'm making a particle board cubbie storage unit for my wifes
>> classroom.
>> Would a dado blade work
>> better? do you make
>> the slots the same size as the particle board? (23/32)
>>
<lots of seemingly random snippage>
>
> Sounds like your design is good. I'd use a router, taking 2 or 3 passes
> to cut all the way through. If you run the slot just far enough past
> half-way for the widest part of the bit to be at the half-way point
> you'll have a good fit. (The rounded portion will be hidden by the
> interlocking piece)
>

Anything for the kids! Good attitude.

Here's my take on the situation: It's easier to set a stacked dado cutter
once to the exact thickness of the particle board (+ half a scoche (sp?)),
than it is to take multiple router passes, resetting the stop or guide for
each cut. This assumes, of course, the availability of a stacked dado
cutter of sufficient size, on a tablesaw of sufficient power and stability.

I would be tempted, if I did not already have such a beast, to build a
crosscut style sled, with which to manage the longish boards, and locate
the dadoes precisely, and to finish this task with the same number of
original equipment fingers and thumbs as when I started.

Having married into a family of teachers, I am sympathetic with your cause,
and applaud your support!

Patriarch

[email protected] (sr_wood) wrote in news:e5e56ca6.0409091419.5da89676
@posting.google.com:

> I'm making a particle board cubbie storage unit for my wifes
> classroom. I've decided that the best way to design the unit is to
> make the shelves interlocking, but can't think of a great way of
> making the slots. The storage unit will have 15 total cubies all 12" x
> 12" x 12" (5x3). My first thought was to cut 4 slots on the 2
> horizontal shelves half way through and then make 2 slots on each of
> the 5 vertical deviders half way through on the table saw. But I'm not
> sure how to finish off the cut or if it is a safe way to get the job
> done.
> Has anyone done this kind of thing before? Would a dado blade work
> better? A jig saw? A router? This may be a no brainer, but do you make
> the slots the same size as the particle board? (23/32)
>
> I would be very grateful for any ones help, and you would make a hero
> out of me with my wife.
>
> Thank you,
> Don
>

More than 20 years ago I made some cubbies that still are in use today.
From what I remember the plywood was called texture 10-11 or something
like that (DAGS came up empty AFAICT). It's plywood with grooves about
every 5 inches, into which 1/4" ply fitted nicely. Make 2 uprights of the
10-11 plywood, and a bunch of shelves and top and back from 1/4" and you
have simple cubbies that will last from toddler till the next generation,
easily.

--
Best regards
Han
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[email protected] (sr_wood) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Wow!!!,
> I never expected such kind and supportive responses. I have a
> sliding miter saw on my Delta unisaw. I think I'll go for the dado
> method. Would a stop on the fence be a good idea, or should I free
> hand it?
> By the way I'm new to the group and I'm really impressed. A
> great bunch of folks here. I'm sure my wife and her 160 students will
> be extatic.
>

PLEASE don't try this cut free hand! Not a safe practice at all.

I'm not sure what you mean by "a sliding miter saw on my Delta unisaw."
What I envisioned is a sliding crosscut sled, through which the dado head
protrudes. This will likely be a one-time use sled, if you build it to use
both runners on the Unisaw, but you should be able to put it together with
a bit of that MDF, and the mythical straight tubafor, glue, and a dozen
wood screws.

A stop clamped to the back rail of the sled MAY be useful, but then, I'm
envisioning a design that may differ from what you're doing. If this were
in my shop, the Bies fence would be leaning against the wall for this
operation...

Have fun with this. Work safely. Start cautiously.

Patriarch

[email protected] (sr_wood) wrote in news:e5e56ca6.0409091419.5da89676
@posting.google.com:

> I'm making a particle board cubbie storage unit for my wifes
> classroom. I've decided that the best way to design the unit is to
> make the shelves interlocking, but can't think of a great way of
> making the slots. The storage unit will have 15 total cubies all 12" x
> 12" x 12" (5x3). My first thought was to cut 4 slots on the 2
> horizontal shelves half way through and then make 2 slots on each of
> the 5 vertical deviders half way through on the table saw. But I'm not
> sure how to finish off the cut or if it is a safe way to get the job
> done.
> Has anyone done this kind of thing before? Would a dado blade work
> better? A jig saw? A router? This may be a no brainer, but do you make
> the slots the same size as the particle board? (23/32)
>
> I would be very grateful for any ones help, and you would make a hero
> out of me with my wife.
>
> Thank you,
> Don

Lots of ways to do this. Personally I'd make a templat out of 1/4
masonite and then route the grooves. You should be able to lay out the
slots on the masonite and cute with a jigsaw. You can then route using a
collar and straight bit or a pattern bit or a trim bit.. just be sure
you know which you'll use when you figure the size of the slots in the
masonite. You could also make the template by screwing some straing
strips of wood onto the play and then routing out the slots themselves.

[email protected] (sr_wood) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Sorry,
> Not a sliding miter saw as I said earlier, but a sliding miter
> table as in an "Excalibur sliding miter table." By "free hand" I mean
> make the cut half way then pull back.(Using the sliding miter table)
> Or should a stop be used to limit the travel of the sliding miter
> table.
>

That makes a lot more sense. And yes, in that context, a stop would be a
really good thing. Up to you, of course.

On to glory!

Patriarch

[email protected] (sr_wood) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I'm making a particle board cubbie storage unit for my wifes
> classroom. I've decided that the best way to design the unit is to
> make the shelves interlocking, but can't think of a great way of
> making the slots. The storage unit will have 15 total cubies all 12" x
> 12" x 12" (5x3). My first thought was to cut 4 slots on the 2
> horizontal shelves half way through and then make 2 slots on each of
> the 5 vertical deviders half way through on the table saw. But I'm not
> sure how to finish off the cut or if it is a safe way to get the job
> done.
> Has anyone done this kind of thing before? Would a dado blade work
> better? A jig saw? A router? This may be a no brainer, but do you make
> the slots the same size as the particle board? (23/32)
>
> I would be very grateful for any ones help, and you would make a hero
> out of me with my wife.
>
> Thank you,
> Don

Don: first, some questions:

1) What equipment/tools do you have access to? (Cutting 6" deep slots
on the TS is not possible with a 10" blade. Part of it can be
done--in one pass with a dado blade and a big honkin' saw, or two
passes with a stopped cross-cut--with the boards flat on the table,
but you'll have some area at the center of the board which will have
to be hand-cut, chiseled or routed square.)

2) What will be stored in the cubbies--heavy or light items? (Particle
board is notorious for bending under weight and one end of each cubbie
in your design will be unsupported. Unsupported PB is also more
likely to break if even a preschooler leans on it.)

I would cut dados across the horizontal shelves and fitting shorter
vertical dividers in the dados. This would make a stronger unit.
Might be faster, too. Put a back panel on it (to keep it from
racking) fitted in a rabbeted edge (to keep things neat). Remember to
subtract the thickness of the back from the width of the center shelf
and dividers, and add the combined depths of the dados to their length
and heigths (respectively).

And yes, the dados or slots should be the same size as the board.

Keep us posted, hero.

Dan

Wow!!!,
I never expected such kind and supportive responses. I have a
sliding miter saw on my Delta unisaw. I think I'll go for the dado
method. Would a stop on the fence be a good idea, or should I free
hand it?
By the way I'm new to the group and I'm really impressed. A
great bunch of folks here. I'm sure my wife and her 160 students will
be extatic.

Don


[email protected] (sr_wood) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I'm making a particle board cubbie storage unit for my wifes
> classroom. I've decided that the best way to design the unit is to
> make the shelves interlocking, but can't think of a great way of
> making the slots. The storage unit will have 15 total cubies all 12" x
> 12" x 12" (5x3). My first thought was to cut 4 slots on the 2
> horizontal shelves half way through and then make 2 slots on each of
> the 5 vertical deviders half way through on the table saw. But I'm not
> sure how to finish off the cut or if it is a safe way to get the job
> done.
> Has anyone done this kind of thing before? Would a dado blade work
> better? A jig saw? A router? This may be a no brainer, but do you make
> the slots the same size as the particle board? (23/32)
>
> I would be very grateful for any ones help, and you would make a hero
> out of me with my wife.
>
> Thank you,
> Don

Sorry,
Not a sliding miter saw as I said earlier, but a sliding miter
table as in an "Excalibur sliding miter table." By "free hand" I mean
make the cut half way then pull back.(Using the sliding miter table)
Or should a stop be used to limit the travel of the sliding miter
table.

> PLEASE don't try this cut free hand! Not a safe practice at all.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "a sliding miter saw on my Delta unisaw."
> What I envisioned is a sliding crosscut sled, through which the dado head
> protrudes. This will likely be a one-time use sled, if you build it to use
> both runners on the Unisaw, but you should be able to put it together with
> a bit of that MDF, and the mythical straight tubafor, glue, and a dozen
> wood screws.
>
> A stop clamped to the back rail of the sled MAY be useful, but then, I'm
> envisioning a design that may differ from what you're doing. If this were
> in my shop, the Bies fence would be leaning against the wall for this
> operation...
>
> Have fun with this. Work safely. Start cautiously.
>
> Patriarch

sr_wood wrote:
> I'm making a particle board cubbie storage unit for my wifes
> classroom. I've decided that the best way to design the unit is to
> make the shelves interlocking, but can't think of a great way of
> making the slots. The storage unit will have 15 total cubies all 12" x
> 12" x 12" (5x3). My first thought was to cut 4 slots on the 2
> horizontal shelves half way through and then make 2 slots on each of
> the 5 vertical deviders half way through on the table saw. But I'm not
> sure how to finish off the cut or if it is a safe way to get the job
> done.
> Has anyone done this kind of thing before? Would a dado blade work
> better? A jig saw? A router? This may be a no brainer, but do you make
> the slots the same size as the particle board? (23/32)
>
> I would be very grateful for any ones help, and you would make a hero
> out of me with my wife.
>
> Thank you,
> Don

Sounds like your design is good. I'd use a router, taking 2 or 3 passes
to cut all the way through. If you run the slot just far enough past
half-way for the widest part of the bit to be at the half-way point
you'll have a good fit. (The rounded portion will be hidden by the
interlocking piece)

Good luck and post some pics when you get it finished.

Brad