After much waivering for months between a Domino and a "real"
mortiser, I bit the bullet and bought a Powermatic 719T (not a
benchtop) mortiser. My personal reasons for choosing the PM include:
I like through mortises, and the PM is actually cheaper than a
properly loaded Domino.
Question... Both Lee Valley and Rockler offer sharpening devices for
hollow mortise chisels.
Has anyone used either one?
Both *look* the same, but have significantly different descriptions by
the respective sellers.
Comments?
Thanks!
Barry
"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Thanks!
>
> I've been researching different options (Domino, benchtop, full-size)
> for months. I've been looking for an "old-school" foot-operated,
> stand-up machine, and would probably still buy it if it I find it. but
> the PM has won my internal battles. <G>
>
> I missed out on a kick-ass, foot-operated machine at a machinery
> auction because they sold it before I got there!!
Yes the cone is great but as indicated by Tom, you absolutely want to polish
the 4 outer cutting surfaces on the chisel. It cuts faster and with about
70% less effort to plunge the bit and chisel. Do this immediately. I
remember the foot operated one in school. ;~) AAMOF I thought I should
have gotten one until I discovered polishing the chisel.
On Dec 12, 5:28 pm, tom <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I've used the cone-type, very sparingly, on my chisels, and it does
> allright. snip
It is a Rockler product.
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:48:11 -0800 (PST), Jeff <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>Could you post a link to your dream?
Swingman has one!
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:26:29 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote:
>if anyone here has comments about the two devices mentioned I'd like
>to read about them also....
I'm leaning towards the Rockler device, so I'll post results.
>
> Barry,
>
> If you have access to FWW check out June 2000 issue of Fine
> Woodworking.
> Caring for Mortising Chisels and Bits By Brian Graham.
>
> Brian is a member of my woodworking guild and has given a couple of
> demos on the process. The article is excellent.
>
> Ed- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ed,
I'm glad you mentioned Brian. He's helped me with my mortiser and
provided me with a copy of his article. Brian sold me a set of
conical sharpening stones for my chisels and prefers using those to
the sharpening devices sold by the other dealers.
I've used them with great results. Brian said that the other
sharpening tools are best used for reshaping the mouth of the chisel
after it has been sharpened numerous times with the stones.
Marc
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:58:13 -0800 (PST), tom <[email protected]>
wrote:
>It is a Rockler product.
Is that good or bad? <G>
I've never bought a Rockler product.
On Dec 12, 3:32 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> After much waivering for months between a Domino and a "real"
> mortiser, I bit the bullet and bought a Powermatic 719T (not a
> benchtop) mortiser. My personal reasons for choosing the PM include:
> I like through mortises, and the PM is actually cheaper than a
> properly loaded Domino.
>
> Question... Both Lee Valley and Rockler offer sharpening devices for
> hollow mortise chisels.
>
> Has anyone used either one?
>
> Both *look* the same, but have significantly different descriptions by
> the respective sellers.
>
> Comments?
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
I'm on the same slope as you, kinda. I got a horizontal boring
machine. I'm getting it set up with a square chisel attachment. a few
bits-n-pieces to go before I'm making square holes, one of which is
setting up to sharpen. the cone shaped diamond hone seems like a
reasonable approach, with as you pointed out, plenty of available
hardware. and no, I haven't tried either of the ones you mentioned,
but I have seen them both in the catalogs.
a somewhat different approach I read about somewhere else is making
sense to me right now: chuck the chisel up in the headstock of my
lathe and grind the bevel from the tool post. I should be able to do
it with stuff I already have on hand.
if anyone here has comments about the two devices mentioned I'd like
to read about them also....
"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> After much waivering for months between a Domino and a "real"
> mortiser, I bit the bullet and bought a Powermatic 719T (not a
> benchtop) mortiser. My personal reasons for choosing the PM include:
> I like through mortises, and the PM is actually cheaper than a
> properly loaded Domino.
>
> Question... Both Lee Valley and Rockler offer sharpening devices for
> hollow mortise chisels.
>
> Has anyone used either one?
>
> Both *look* the same, but have significantly different descriptions by
> the respective sellers.
>
> Comments?
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
You can make through mortises with a plunge router and an edge guide. I
wouldn't let that be the clincher for getting the Domino over a "real"
mortiser.
To date, I have not found a need for a mortiser. I make all loose tenon and
mortises and use a plunge router with a jig for the mortises. My dream tool
is a multi-router for mortises. 'Sigh' :(
--
www.garagewoodworks.com
Ditto, LV cones and lapping the exterior.
BTW congrats on the big mortiser.. I lust for such a beast.
I have the LV cones.
They are pretty inexpensive and seem to work well.
That observation is hardly scientific an just as casual observation that
mortises have "gone smoothly"after what seemed to be an appropriate amount
of interior and exterior tuning.
-steve
"tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:aa0c6eb8-c793-4348-8eb5-92aca3f00c03@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 12, 3:32 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > After much waivering for months between a Domino and a "real"
> > mortiser, I bit the bullet and bought a Powermatic 719T (not a
> > benchtop) mortiser. My personal reasons for choosing the PM include:
> > I like through mortises, and the PM is actually cheaper than a
> > properly loaded Domino.
> >
> > Question... Both Lee Valley and Rockler offer sharpening devices for
> > hollow mortise chisels.
> >
> > Has anyone used either one?
> >
> > Both *look* the same, but have significantly different descriptions by
> > the respective sellers.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Barry
>
> I've used the cone-type, very sparingly, on my chisels, and it does
> allright. I also believe that a good polishing of the exterior is just
> as important for cutting quality and ease of withdrawal. Nice
> mortiser! Tom
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"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:13:30 -0500, "GarageWoodworks" <.@.> wrote:
>
>>You can make through mortises with a plunge router and an edge guide.
>
> I've been doing that for at least five years. <G>
Great!
>
>>To date, I have not found a need for a mortiser.
>
> Great! Thanks for that.
Sure. I just hope it's not to late to return that mortiser.
--
www.garagewoodworks.com
Bonehenge (B A R R Y) wrote:
>
> After much waivering for months between a Domino and a "real"
> mortiser, I bit the bullet and bought a Powermatic 719T (not a
> benchtop) mortiser. My personal reasons for choosing the PM include:
> I like through mortises, and the PM is actually cheaper than a
> properly loaded Domino.
When I was looking for a chisel and bit mortising machine it came
down to the PM 719A and the General International 75-075. Went
with the General becuase it had a tilting head and the fence could
be rotated to 30 degrees. I wish the General had the quick release
for the hold down/hold in.
> Question... Both Lee Valley and Rockler offer sharpening devices for
> hollow mortise chisels.
One of these "cone" sharpeners has a cylindrical "finger" on the end
of the cone to align it to the inside of the chisel - avoiding the
chance
of tilting and sharpening asymetricly. Not really a big deal but . .
.
> Has anyone used either one?
Yes - the LV cones (two, one for bigger chisels and one for smaller
ones) Work fine. It's the OUTSIDE of the chisel that can make
cutting - and extracting - the chisel harder. POLISH - don't grind
the outside faces.
> Both *look* the same, but have significantly different descriptions by
> the respective sellers.
>
> Comments?
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:28:05 -0800 (PST), tom <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>I've used the cone-type, very sparingly, on my chisels, and it does
>allright. I also believe that a good polishing of the exterior is just
>as important for cutting quality and ease of withdrawal.
I've heard that, but I appreciate the reminder.
I understand that an edge is an intersection of two planes, so
polishing the outside makes lots of sense. The cones seem like they'd
do the insides properly, and the Rockler versions get decent marks on
the Rockler website.
>Nice
>mortiser!
Thanks!
I've been researching different options (Domino, benchtop, full-size)
for months. I've been looking for an "old-school" foot-operated,
stand-up machine, and would probably still buy it if it I find it. but
the PM has won my internal battles. <G>
I missed out on a kick-ass, foot-operated machine at a machinery
auction because they sold it before I got there!!
On Dec 12, 6:13 pm, "GarageWoodworks" <.@.> wrote:
> "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > After much waivering for months between a Domino and a "real"
> > mortiser, I bit the bullet and bought a Powermatic 719T (not a
> > benchtop) mortiser. My personal reasons for choosing the PM include:
> > I like through mortises, and the PM is actually cheaper than a
> > properly loaded Domino.
>
> > Question... Both Lee Valley and Rockler offer sharpening devices for
> > hollow mortise chisels.
>
> > Has anyone used either one?
>
> > Both *look* the same, but have significantly different descriptions by
> > the respective sellers.
>
> > Comments?
>
> > Thanks!
> > Barry
>
> You can make through mortises with a plunge router and an edge guide. I
> wouldn't let that be the clincher for getting the Domino over a "real"
> mortiser.
>
> To date, I have not found a need for a mortiser. I make all loose tenon and
> mortises and use a plunge router with a jig for the mortises. My dream tool
> is a multi-router for mortises. 'Sigh' :(
>
Could you post a link to your dream?
On Dec 12, 5:32 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> After much waivering for months between a Domino and a "real"
> mortiser, I bit the bullet and bought a Powermatic 719T (not a
> benchtop) mortiser. My personal reasons for choosing the PM include:
> I like through mortises, and the PM is actually cheaper than a
> properly loaded Domino.
>
> Question... Both Lee Valley and Rockler offer sharpening devices for
> hollow mortise chisels.
>
> Has anyone used either one?
>
> Both *look* the same, but have significantly different descriptions by
> the respective sellers.
>
> Comments?
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
Barry,
If you have access to FWW check out June 2000 issue of Fine
Woodworking.
Caring for Mortising Chisels and Bits By Brian Graham.
Brian is a member of my woodworking guild and has given a couple of
demos on the process. The article is excellent.
Ed
On Dec 12, 3:32 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> After much waivering for months between a Domino and a "real"
> mortiser, I bit the bullet and bought a Powermatic 719T (not a
> benchtop) mortiser. My personal reasons for choosing the PM include:
> I like through mortises, and the PM is actually cheaper than a
> properly loaded Domino.
>
> Question... Both Lee Valley and Rockler offer sharpening devices for
> hollow mortise chisels.
>
> Has anyone used either one?
>
> Both *look* the same, but have significantly different descriptions by
> the respective sellers.
>
> Comments?
>
> Thanks!
> Barry
I've used the cone-type, very sparingly, on my chisels, and it does
allright. I also believe that a good polishing of the exterior is just
as important for cutting quality and ease of withdrawal. Nice
mortiser! Tom
On Dec 12, 6:03 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:58:13 -0800 (PST), tom <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >It is a Rockler product.
>
> Is that good or bad? <G>
>
> I've never bought a Rockler product.
Why not? Don't you want to get on their mailing list(s)? (Insert
emoticon here) Can't say if it's bad, as it works okay, and I've not
tried LVs rendition. Tom
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:13:30 -0500, "GarageWoodworks" <.@.> wrote:
>To date, I have not found a need for a mortiser. I make all loose tenon and
>mortises and use a plunge router with a jig for the mortises. My dream tool
>is a multi-router for mortises. 'Sigh' :(
In fact, I used to have a dedicated mortiser and I ended up giving it
to a friend who uses it a lot more than I ever did. It was just one
more piece of unused equipment that cluttered up the shop. I can make
any mortise I want with a router, usually faster than I could with a
dedicated machine.
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:02:48 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote:
>
>If you have access to FWW check out June 2000 issue of Fine
>Woodworking.
>Caring for Mortising Chisels and Bits By Brian Graham.
I do! I will, and thanks!
tom wrote:
> On Dec 12, 6:03 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:58:13 -0800 (PST), tom <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is a Rockler product.
>> Is that good or bad? <G>
>>
>> I've never bought a Rockler product.
>
> Why not? Don't you want to get on their mailing list(s)? (Insert
> emoticon here) Can't say if it's bad, as it works okay, and I've not
> tried LVs rendition. Tom
I actually am on the Rockler mailing list. I try to group my
mail-order purchases to save on shipping, and Rockler often doesn't seem
to have as much as I need compared to Lee Valley or Highland Woodworking.
You made me nervous! <G>