Hi all,
I've run TurboCad Pro version 7 for many years now and get along
very well with it. I recall versions 8 thru 10 were a little
buggy and provided not a lot of great added features so I
bypassed those. Now I'm retired I no longer need the full power
of the Pro version and so have been considering upgrading to the
less expensive Deluxe version.
Then, conincidentally, today I received an ad for an upgrade
to V12 for $49.50 and I'm very seriously considering going for it
at that price. Previously it was $149 for the upgrade version.
My questions: Is there any experience here with version 12? It
is buggy, ease of install, that sort of thing. Oh, and is the CD
standalone or does it depend on keeping the old version around to
install the new? I hate those kinds of updates though I
understand why they do it. Guess I'm mostly interested in buggy
and ease of installation.
Just thought I'd see if there was any real world experience
around before I plop down my money.
TIA,
Pop
--
--
If today's the first day of
the rest of my life;
what was yesterday?
What, exactly, is the problem(s) that made you get a refund? No, I don't
think 12 is worth using but some do. I went back to 11 early on. You might
want to look at EBay for 11. Yes, it's legal to buy it this way (legal for
any software but IMSI admits it, some don't).
"Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> My thanks to all those who responded. After futzing with the
> trial version for a bit, I plunked down my money yesterday and
> downloaded the software.
>
> What a disappointment!
>
I'm not surprised at what you found. It would appear that V12 is a dog. So
was 10. 11 though, is a good one. Deluxe version 11 is available in many
places for less than $50.00. V7 was quite good though they have come out
with new features since then that I wouldn't want to do without. Turbocad
has been sold to a company that seems to be looking at selling cad software
rather than anything that will sell. Might well pick up and be what it
should be.
"Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Well, there were several issues and annoyances, really, once I
> started to put it to real work. I never figured out exactly what
> the sources of the problems were, I only knew they were new and
> unacceptable due to the number of them.
>
> -- Dimensioning and sometimes dragging littered the screen with
> interim line draws of whatever you were working on until the area
> was visibly useless until I did an F5 Redraw. That one I found
> others commenting on at one of the forums, such as those things
> are. I have to say, they're in a steep downward spiral in my
> opinion.
>
> -- Hatching was hit or miss.
> -- Switching from one tool to another was hit or miss; might or
> might not switch on the first click.
> -- I couldn't get some settings to "stick" when set in the
> Options menues.
> -- Unpredictable start up times, apparently depending on what
> else had been going on in memory.
> -- Somehow, they man aged to make the screen a lot harder to see
> the tools compared to my old 7. Same size, just a lot harder to
> see.
> Everything I had problems with worked fine in version 7.1 Pro.
> There are some nice additions and useful features, but ... it
> just didn't work out. Very annoying to use.
> I will say it never crashed or mucked anything up, but it was
> certainly a large annoyance for something I paid for. Bad guess
> on my part.
> Oh, and no backward compatability was a big issue too. A LOT
> of people are still using versions 5 and 7.
>
> There were a few other things but that's a short list of it. I
> tried the uninstall/clean/reinstall with no success.
>
> I'm more likely just stick with 7.1 Pro rather than throw anymore
> money after it. I simply got sucked in by the $49 price; it
> seemed like a deal, but then you get what you pay for. Version
> 7.1, the Pro version, does everything and more than I really need
> at this stage of my life so I'll stick with it.
>
> IF nothing else, this was a good lesson in getting what you pay
> for. Now let's see if they really do the promised refund.
>
> Pop`
>
>
>
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > What, exactly, is the problem(s) that made you get a refund?
> > No, I don't
> > think 12 is worth using but some do. I went back to 11 early
> > on. You might
> > want to look at EBay for 11. Yes, it's legal to buy it this way
> > (legal for
> > any software but IMSI admits it, some don't).
> >
> > "Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:qabug.4660$T87.1386@trndny05...
> >> My thanks to all those who responded. After futzing with the
> >> trial version for a bit, I plunked down my money yesterday and
> >> downloaded the software.
> >>
> >> What a disappointment!
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Sorry about extending this thread, folks, but; just a little
more, OK?<g>:
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I'm not surprised at what you found. It would appear that V12
> is a dog. So
> was 10. 11 though, is a good one.
Your opinion seems to be the concensus in quite a few places and
I suspect it's reasonably accurate. Just for the record.
Deluxe version 11 is available in many
> places for less than $50.00 V7 was quite good though they have
> come out
> with new features since then that I wouldn't want to do
> without.
Yeah, I did get to play around with some of them and did enjoy
the time savings and ease of use for some of them. It's too bad
I discoverd them; I could have gone along ignorantly happy
without them had I never known they existed<g>.
I won't buy from Ebay though unless I can find it at a store I
trust. With something like this I want to be certain of being
able to get a refund if it's not what it purports to be. 50 here
and 50 there adds up pretty quickly if one isn't careful and
since I'm waiting to see if the V12 refund works ... <g>, ain't
gonna rush into it.
Turbocad
> has been sold to a company that seems to be looking at selling
> cad software
> rather than anything that will sell. Might well pick up and be
> what it
> should be.
Yeah, the STS (Sold To Syndrome) is prevalent in a lot of places
these days. It's spoiling a lot of perfectly good applications
on top of raising their prices. Symantec comes to mind for one,
and there are quite a few others. If they can't beat the
competition they just buy it, depending only on their superior
marketing and distribution systems to make the money for them.
But the record over the last year or so has been pretty dismal -
they break things even when all they mean to do is add their own
names and update copyrights for crying out loud<g>!
Seems like almost no one is willing to put in a good honest
day's work for an honest day's pay anymore, and the ones that are
get pushed out the door.
Pop`
>
> "Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:pDOug.4054$D7.2171@trndny03...
>> Well, there were several issues and annoyances, really, once I
>> started to put it to real work. I never figured out exactly
>> what
>> the sources of the problems were, I only knew they were new
>> and
>> unacceptable due to the number of them.
<snip>
Pop wrote:
< TurboCad>
> Question: Does it call home do you know? I don't mean auto
> update checks; I mean more like data-sending activity at odd
> times. I've been watching this trial version and it's not
> calling home, but that doesn't mean much since it's "trial"
> software. I don't like Call Homes when I have no way of checking
> to see what's being transmitted and to whom.
>
> Thanks, & TIA
>
> Pop`
a good firewall will tell you when any software is phoning home. there
are several good free firewalls out there.
Hello Pop,
From your response to my posting about CAD (for which I am truly
grateful!), I would bet that you are years ahead of me in CAD experience
and skill, but I'll do the best I can with your question...
I am using TurboCAD v12 Pro and it works great - very, very happy with
it. I can't speak to the Deluxe version, but you might consider
downloading it and running it for a few weeks before you buy.
You can get the full working copy here for a trial period.
http://www.turbocad.com/free_downloads.asp
I didn't install over an old copy, but my install was easy and painless.
Sorry if that wasn't golden information for you, but you are on my
shortlist of TurboCAD experts that I plan on pestering....
Regards,
JBD in Denver
Pop wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've run TurboCad Pro version 7 for many years now and get along
> very well with it. I recall versions 8 thru 10 were a little
> buggy and provided not a lot of great added features so I
> bypassed those. Now I'm retired I no longer need the full power
> of the Pro version and so have been considering upgrading to the
> less expensive Deluxe version.
> Then, conincidentally, today I received an ad for an upgrade
> to V12 for $49.50 and I'm very seriously considering going for it
> at that price. Previously it was $149 for the upgrade version.
>
> My questions: Is there any experience here with version 12? It
> is buggy, ease of install, that sort of thing. Oh, and is the CD
> standalone or does it depend on keeping the old version around to
> install the new? I hate those kinds of updates though I
> understand why they do it. Guess I'm mostly interested in buggy
> and ease of installation.
>
> Just thought I'd see if there was any real world experience
> around before I plop down my money.
>
> TIA,
>
> Pop
>
>
CW,
I'm very new to CAD, so I'm sure that there are many things that escape
me using Pro V12... It's the only thing I've used (not counting dabbling
w/ DesignCAD on an XT in the mid 80s).
Your post scares me - what problems should I be looking for in V12? Does
it crash, is it too hard to use, measurements are bad?? Not looking for
a full review - just what could hurt me in the long run - in design and
learning the program.
Thanks
jbd in Denver
"Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:qabug.4660$T87.1386@trndny05...
> My thanks to all those who responded. After futzing with the trial
> version for a bit, I plunked down my money yesterday and downloaded the
> software.
>
> What a disappointment!
>
You might want to take a look at Intellicad from here,
http://www.autodsys.com/
Looks like and works a lot like AutoCAD and LT. I have been using CAD
software since 1986 and this is pretty intuitive and cheap. Plus you get a
decent free trial.
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:59:45 GMT, "Pop" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>I've run TurboCad Pro version 7 for many years now and get along
>very well with it. I recall versions 8 thru 10 were a little
>buggy and provided not a lot of great added features so I
>bypassed those. Now I'm retired I no longer need the full power
>of the Pro version and so have been considering upgrading to the
>less expensive Deluxe version.
> Then, conincidentally, today I received an ad for an upgrade
>to V12 for $49.50 and I'm very seriously considering going for it
>at that price. Previously it was $149 for the upgrade version.
>
>My questions: Is there any experience here with version 12? It
>is buggy, ease of install, that sort of thing. Oh, and is the CD
>standalone or does it depend on keeping the old version around to
>install the new? I hate those kinds of updates though I
>understand why they do it. Guess I'm mostly interested in buggy
>and ease of installation.
>
>Just thought I'd see if there was any real world experience
>around before I plop down my money.
>
I upgraded to version 12 from version 11. Haven't used it enough yet to
comment on bugs and the like. But ... as far as installation; I don't know
if you need the old version installed or not for it to install the upgrade
(I don't think so, based upon the install messages, but can't confirm).
However, you do have to do the on-line registration thing, or the copy will
self-expire after 30 days. I'm not too fond of on-line registration
requirements, but had forgotten that detail from the version 11 install.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
http://www.imsisoft.com/about_imsi.asp
"Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:0wavg.15$Zf.2@trndny07...
> >
> >>
> >> Yeah, the STS (Sold To Syndrome) is prevalent in a lot of
> >> places
> >> these days. It's spoiling a lot of perfectly good
> >> applications
> >> on top of raising their prices. Symantec comes to mind for
> >> one,
> >> and there are quite a few others. If they can't beat the
> >> competition they just buy it, depending only on their superior
> >> marketing and distribution systems to make the money for them.
> >> But the record over the last year or so has been pretty
> >> dismal -
> >> they break things even when all they mean to do is add their
> >> own
> >> names and update copyrights for crying out loud<g>!
> >> Seems like almost no one is willing to put in a good honest
> >> day's work for an honest day's pay anymore, and the ones that
> >> are
> >> get pushed out the door.
> >>
> >> Pop`
> > IMSI changed it's name to Broadcaster and went into the
> > internet on demand
> > streaming business. Turbocad was bought buy IMSI ex employees
> > backed by an
> > investment firm. Rather than someone buying the competion, this
> > was a case
> > of sell it or can it. Broadcaster doesn't do software.
> >
> >
>
> No kidding! I wasn't aware of that and I -thought- I looked, but
> ... .
>
> Any chance you can offer a link that might cover any of that off
> or be a better starting point than I'm gettin gon Google right
> now?
>
> Pop`
>
>
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:27:14 GMT, "Pop"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Mark & Juanita wrote:
> ... snip
> > > I upgraded to version 12 from version 11. Haven't
> > > used it enough yet to comment on bugs and the like. But
> > > ... as far as installation; I don't know if you need
> > > the old version installed or not for it to install the
> > > upgrade (I don't think so, based upon the install
> > > messages, but can't confirm). However, you do have to
> > > do the on-line registration thing, or the copy will
> > > self-expire after 30 days. I'm not too fond of on-line
> > > registration requirements, but had forgotten that
> > > detail from the version 11 install.
> >
> ... snip
> >
> > If I read correctly, the online registration is to force
> > you to go to them to get one of the install codes needed;
> > authorization or something. Apparently there are two
> > codes; a serial number and an auth code? Not sure.
> >
>
> Yes on both accounts. Serial number is in code you
> receive, authorization code is what you get when you do the
> on-line activation.
>
> > Question: Does it call home do you know? I don't mean
> > auto update checks; I mean more like data-sending
> > activity at odd times. I've been watching this trial
> > version and it's not calling home, but that doesn't mean
> > much since it's "trial" software. I don't like Call
> > Homes when I have no way of checking to see what's being
> > transmitted and to whom.
> >
>
> As far as I can tell, it does not phone home. It will
> check for updates if you let it, but I have it set to
> manually check.
>
> > Another person mentioned a patch/update for it. Would
> > you mind posting your rev level from Help About? I don't
> > see any patches available for it.
>
> I have version 12.1, build 49.1. I think it was an
> on-line update after I got the initial install disk
>
>
>
> +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
> If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
>
> +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
You've been very helpful; thank you.
Pop
They are not very consistent in their sales attempts. There are lots of
people that get called frequently. Me, they call occasionally, usually to
try to sell me a version that I already have. They never seem to know who
has what. For this reason, they don't know who is eligible for an upgrade.
They will sell an upgrade to anyone. All they have to do is say that they
have the previous version. They don't know (probably don't really care
either).
<Tom Veatch> wrote in message
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> "CW" <[email protected]> said:
> <snip>
>
> >...No, they do not spam you.
>
> It's true that I've never received spamming emails from them, but I've
> been tempted to try to get a restraining order to stop them from
> telephoning me again and again and again and ... whenever they
> release a new version.
>
> FWIW, I'd prefer the spam
>
>
>
"Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:0wavg.15$Zf.2@trndny07...
>
> Yeah, the STS (Sold To Syndrome) is prevalent in a lot of places
> these days. It's spoiling a lot of perfectly good applications
> on top of raising their prices. Symantec comes to mind for one,
> and there are quite a few others. If they can't beat the
> competition they just buy it, depending only on their superior
> marketing and distribution systems to make the money for them.
> But the record over the last year or so has been pretty dismal -
> they break things even when all they mean to do is add their own
> names and update copyrights for crying out loud<g>!
> Seems like almost no one is willing to put in a good honest
> day's work for an honest day's pay anymore, and the ones that are
> get pushed out the door.
>
> Pop`
IMSI changed it's name to Broadcaster and went into the internet on demand
streaming business. Turbocad was bought buy IMSI ex employees backed by an
investment firm. Rather than someone buying the competion, this was a case
of sell it or can it. Broadcaster doesn't do software.
Hi John,
Yes, I have the trial version now; figured I was being stupid not
trying it since it might show up any problems right away for me.
I'm pleased to say that so far it's behaving well and seems to
have a massive amount of improvements over version 7, some of
which are great timesavers.
I'm using my old version 7 dwgs to "test" it with and so far
the track record is 100% but those are mainly 2D works of
designs. Fairly complex, but not really a stress to TC. It
seems more stable and even faster in most respects.
I've only noticed one "funny" so far that a REstart fixed, but
that's somethig I want to see more experience on since it was
quite an annoyance. It only happened one time, so I'm continuing
to pound on it. Havent' done much 3D playing yet - I'm
particularly interested in extruding things and am hoping it'll
work well.
lol, no problem with you "pestering" me but if they turn into
very long communications, they should be taken off group or to a
related group/forum.
I'm always willing to help others. Oh, I'm not necessarily what
you'd consider a guru on TC either; I just have experience and
real world use of it, not in depth internal knowedge of the
workings. Been with TC since version 3 or 5; not sure which;
quite awhile ago.
Cheers,
Pop`
John Dykes wrote:
> Hello Pop,
>
> From your response to my posting about CAD (for which I am
> truly grateful!), I would bet that you are years ahead of
> me in CAD experience and skill, but I'll do the best I can
> with your question...
> I am using TurboCAD v12 Pro and it works great - very, very
> happy with it. I can't speak to the Deluxe version, but you
> might consider downloading it and running it for a few
> weeks before you buy.
> You can get the full working copy here for a trial period.
> http://www.turbocad.com/free_downloads.asp
>
> I didn't install over an old copy, but my install was easy
> and painless.
> Sorry if that wasn't golden information for you, but you
> are on my shortlist of TurboCAD experts that I plan on
> pestering....
> Regards,
>
> JBD in Denver
>
> Pop wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've run TurboCad Pro version 7 for many years now and
> > get along very well with it. I recall versions 8 thru 10
> > were a little buggy and provided not a lot of great added
> > features so I bypassed those. Now I'm retired I no
> > longer need the full power of the Pro version and so have
> > been considering upgrading to the less expensive Deluxe
> > version. Then, conincidentally, today I received an ad
> > for an upgrade to V12 for $49.50 and I'm very seriously
> > considering
> > going for it at that price. Previously it was $149 for
> > the upgrade version. My questions: Is there any experience
> > here with version
> > 12? It is buggy, ease of install, that sort of thing. Oh,
> > and is the CD standalone or does it depend on keeping
> > the old version around to install the new? I hate those
> > kinds of updates though I understand why they do it. Guess
> > I'm mostly interested in buggy and ease of
> > installation. Just thought I'd see if there was any real
> > world
> > experience around before I plop down my money.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Pop
Thank you, that's very useful. I do plan to go to the forums but
this is the kind of real world thing I hoped to come across; it
helps target the relevent forum posts from the chaffe quicker.
Forums are negative by nature as that's their purpose; here
there's more of a chance of a balanced set of opinions.
Regards,
Pop`
CW wrote:
> First thing I will say is that you really should go to
> their user forum. It is more active and more helpful than
> any cad user group I have seen. There are more than a few
> people that are not happy with V12. Some of use do not use
> it due to the problems. We have gone back to V11 which does
> work quite nicely. I really can't give you a list of what
> the problems are as I haven't used it much. I ran into a
> major bug early on that made me go back to version 11. That
> bug is in the dimension tools. I have (as do most serious
> users) several dimension styles set up, any of which I may
> use depending on the drawing. In order for the size of the
> dimensions to print correctly, there is a size scale
> setting in the dimension tools. The problem is that
> changing this setting has no effect. The size can be
> changed after the dimension is placed (very time consuming)
> but not before. The alternatives are to set up a new
> dimension style for each scale (redundant and a huge waste
> of time) or to dimension at 1:1 scale and then change each
> one when done. Both are a waste of time and can create
> errors. This is a feature that I can't do without thus
> rendering the software unusable for me. Depending on the
> way you draw and dimension, this may well not effect you.
> There are other problems that others on that forum could
> tell you about but the dimscale one is the killer for me.
> See the forum for further information. Yes, you have to
> register and log in. No, they do not spam you.
>
> "JBD in Denver" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
> > CW,
> >
> > I'm very new to CAD, so I'm sure that there are many
> > things that escape me using Pro V12... It's the only
> > thing I've used (not counting dabbling w/ DesignCAD on an
> > XT in the mid 80s).
> >
> > Your post scares me - what problems should I be looking
> > for in V12? Does it crash, is it too hard to use,
> > measurements are bad?? Not looking for a full review -
> > just what could hurt me in the long run - in design and
> > learning the program.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > jbd in Denver
I have V12 Pro. I don't use it. I went back to V11 until they fix it. One
patch out so far and it's still to broke to use. This version may be beyond
hope. Hit Ebay for V11. 8 was good. 9 had problems. 10 was hopeless. 11 is
quite good. 12 sucks. These guys are gaining a pretty bad track record but,
it is under new ownership as of recently so who knows what will happen.
"Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I've run TurboCad Pro version 7 for many years now and get along
> very well with it. I recall versions 8 thru 10 were a little
> buggy and provided not a lot of great added features so I
> bypassed those. Now I'm retired I no longer need the full power
> of the Pro version and so have been considering upgrading to the
> less expensive Deluxe version.
> Then, conincidentally, today I received an ad for an upgrade
> to V12 for $49.50 and I'm very seriously considering going for it
> at that price. Previously it was $149 for the upgrade version.
>
> My questions: Is there any experience here with version 12? It
> is buggy, ease of install, that sort of thing. Oh, and is the CD
> standalone or does it depend on keeping the old version around to
> install the new? I hate those kinds of updates though I
> understand why they do it. Guess I'm mostly interested in buggy
> and ease of installation.
>
> Just thought I'd see if there was any real world experience
> around before I plop down my money.
>
> TIA,
>
> Pop
>
>
> --
> --
> If today's the first day of
> the rest of my life;
> what was yesterday?
>
>
The comments are mixing up the Pro and Deluxe versions. They are not the
same, so don't expect Pro capability in the Deluxe version. I'm sorry for
you who are having so much trouble with Deluxe v12, or is it Pro v12.1?. I
am not having problems with it and, while I do not rely on solid modeling or
constraints for my drawings, I do handle quite a few lines and figures each
day. Nothing malfunctions significantly for me. I would like more
capability, but compared with AutoCAD at the AutoCAD prices, this version of
TurboCAD is a real bargain, and I throw it around pretty well.
As far as I know, IMSI is still making and marketing TurboCAD. This has
been true for quite a while now. I certainly hope those of you who are
having problems are calling the help facility up there at IMSI. Every time
I have had occasion to do so I've received all the assistance I needed to
correct the problem. I will admit that I am relatively new to TurboCAD, but
not to CAD. I started with TurboCAD back 3 years ago when I purchased it
for $70 at a Staples store.
In my estimation, it was pretty cheap for the ability to draw, modify, and
store my cabinetry, furniture, and toy drawings.
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:0wavg.15$Zf.2@trndny07...
>
>>
>> Yeah, the STS (Sold To Syndrome) is prevalent in a lot of
>> places
>> these days. It's spoiling a lot of perfectly good
>> applications
>> on top of raising their prices. Symantec comes to mind for
>> one,
>> and there are quite a few others. If they can't beat the
>> competition they just buy it, depending only on their superior
>> marketing and distribution systems to make the money for them.
>> But the record over the last year or so has been pretty
>> dismal -
>> they break things even when all they mean to do is add their
>> own
>> names and update copyrights for crying out loud<g>!
>> Seems like almost no one is willing to put in a good honest
>> day's work for an honest day's pay anymore, and the ones that
>> are
>> get pushed out the door.
>>
>> Pop`
> IMSI changed it's name to Broadcaster and went into the
> internet on demand
> streaming business. Turbocad was bought buy IMSI ex employees
> backed by an
> investment firm. Rather than someone buying the competion, this
> was a case
> of sell it or can it. Broadcaster doesn't do software.
>
>
No kidding! I wasn't aware of that and I -thought- I looked, but
... .
Any chance you can offer a link that might cover any of that off
or be a better starting point than I'm gettin gon Google right
now?
Pop`
You said you don't like it, but why not? What is there about it
that you found to be a problem/s? What are you running it on?
RAM? Etc?
I can't find an update to it; but then I've only downloaded the
trial version. Where is the update on their site so I can read
about it? Any hints? Their updates page shows nothing for
version 12 and it's been out for quite awhile now.
I've seen 8, 9, and 10 but this is my first look at 12, havng
decided to skip 11 altogether just for GPs since it was supposed
to hve been a good release version and 12 was simply built upon
11.
Specifics of any kind would be appreciated.
Pop`
CW wrote:
> I have V12 Pro. I don't use it. I went back to V11 until
> they fix it. One patch out so far and it's still to broke
> to use. This version may be beyond hope. Hit Ebay for V11.
> 8 was good. 9 had problems. 10 was hopeless. 11 is quite
> good. 12 sucks. These guys are gaining a pretty bad track
> record but, it is under new ownership as of recently so who
> knows what will happen. "Pop" <[email protected]>
> wrote in message news:lMatg.6458$wZ.5764@trndny01...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've run TurboCad Pro version 7 for many years now and
> > get along very well with it. I recall versions 8 thru 10
> > were a little buggy and provided not a lot of great added
> > features so I bypassed those. Now I'm retired I no
> > longer need the full power of the Pro version and so have
> > been considering upgrading to the less expensive Deluxe
> > version. Then, conincidentally, today I received an ad
> > for an upgrade
> > to V12 for $49.50 and I'm very seriously considering
> > going for it at that price. Previously it was $149 for
> > the upgrade version.
> >
> > My questions: Is there any experience here with version
> > 12? It is buggy, ease of install, that sort of thing.
> > Oh, and is the CD standalone or does it depend on keeping
> > the old version around to install the new? I hate those
> > kinds of updates though I understand why they do it.
> > Guess I'm mostly interested in buggy and ease of
> > installation.
> >
> > Just thought I'd see if there was any real world
> > experience around before I plop down my money.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Pop
> >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > If today's the first day of
> > the rest of my life;
> > what was yesterday?
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:27:14 GMT, "Pop" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mark & Juanita wrote:
... snip
>> I upgraded to version 12 from version 11. Haven't used it
>> enough yet to comment on bugs and the like. But ... as far
>> as installation; I don't know if you need the old version
>> installed or not for it to install the upgrade (I don't
>> think so, based upon the install messages, but can't
>> confirm). However, you do have to do the on-line
>> registration thing, or the copy will self-expire after 30
>> days. I'm not too fond of on-line registration
>> requirements, but had forgotten that detail from the
>> version 11 install.
>
... snip
>
>If I read correctly, the online registration is to force you to
>go to them to get one of the install codes needed; authorization
>or something. Apparently there are two codes; a serial number
>and an auth code? Not sure.
>
Yes on both accounts. Serial number is in code you receive,
authorization code is what you get when you do the on-line activation.
>Question: Does it call home do you know? I don't mean auto
>update checks; I mean more like data-sending activity at odd
>times. I've been watching this trial version and it's not
>calling home, but that doesn't mean much since it's "trial"
>software. I don't like Call Homes when I have no way of checking
>to see what's being transmitted and to whom.
>
As far as I can tell, it does not phone home. It will check for updates
if you let it, but I have it set to manually check.
>Another person mentioned a patch/update for it. Would you mind
>posting your rev level from Help About? I don't see any patches
>available for it.
I have version 12.1, build 49.1. I think it was an on-line update after
I got the initial install disk
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
First thing I will say is that you really should go to their user forum. It
is more active and more helpful than any cad user group I have seen. There
are more than a few people that are not happy with V12. Some of use do not
use it due to the problems. We have gone back to V11 which does work quite
nicely. I really can't give you a list of what the problems are as I haven't
used it much. I ran into a major bug early on that made me go back to
version 11. That bug is in the dimension tools. I have (as do most serious
users) several dimension styles set up, any of which I may use depending on
the drawing. In order for the size of the dimensions to print correctly,
there is a size scale setting in the dimension tools. The problem is that
changing this setting has no effect. The size can be changed after the
dimension is placed (very time consuming) but not before. The alternatives
are to set up a new dimension style for each scale (redundant and a huge
waste of time) or to dimension at 1:1 scale and then change each one when
done. Both are a waste of time and can create errors. This is a feature that
I can't do without thus rendering the software unusable for me. Depending on
the way you draw and dimension, this may well not effect you. There are
other problems that others on that forum could tell you about but the
dimscale one is the killer for me. See the forum for further information.
Yes, you have to register and log in. No, they do not spam you.
"JBD in Denver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW,
>
> I'm very new to CAD, so I'm sure that there are many things that escape
> me using Pro V12... It's the only thing I've used (not counting dabbling
> w/ DesignCAD on an XT in the mid 80s).
>
> Your post scares me - what problems should I be looking for in V12? Does
> it crash, is it too hard to use, measurements are bad?? Not looking for
> a full review - just what could hurt me in the long run - in design and
> learning the program.
>
> Thanks
>
> jbd in Denver
"John Gonser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The comments are mixing up the Pro and Deluxe versions. They
> are not the same, so don't expect Pro capability in the Deluxe
> version. I'm sorry for you who are having so much trouble with
> Deluxe v12, or is it Pro v12.1?.
Good point, there was ample opportunity for mixup, but for the
vast majority of the discussion, it wasn't relevant. Nothing I
mentioned in particular was Pro-specific. Early in the
discussions I gave my reasons for moving from the 7.1 Pro version
to the 12 Deluxe version. Mostly that I didn't need or use the
Pro added functionality any longer and about a $400 diff in
price<g> as I recall.
IOW the comments didn't really get mixed up because there was
almost no Pro/Deluxe specific discussion.
I did find it interesting that a lot of what used to be
Pro-specific in 7.1 had been moved to the Deluxe version, but
that's sort of beside the point, other than alloweing me to opt
for the cheaper Deluxe version. Other than ACIS & constraints
and a few other niceties, the Pro version added very little I
could be interested in.
You mention of the 12.1 was interesting, too. When I read the
details of the 12.1 update early on, it sounded like it also
included a lot of things the the Deluxe version should have had
done too.
I wondered whether Deluxe was based on 12.1 early on and
thus needed no update, or if it simply wan't worth it to them to
put the relevant changes into the Deluxe version. If that's the
case, they just haven't bothered to update Delusxe 12, and it
sounds from your comments that it might be, then that might
explain why I was so unhappy with 12 Deluxe. I looked and looked
but there was no 12.1 available for Deluxe; only the Pro version.
I
> am not having problems with it and, while I do not rely on
> solid modeling or constraints for my drawings, I do handle
> quite a few lines and figures each day. Nothing malfunctions
> significantly for me.
That sounds good, and makes all kinds of sense. I don't
believe anyone was telling you to jump overboard, or at least I
don't recall that. It's a rather complex and powerful program
and is bound to have people using subets which makes how good it
is a subjective thing. It sounds like you're in good shape for
your purposes.
I would like more
> capability, but compared with AutoCAD at the AutoCAD prices,
> this version of TurboCAD is a real bargain, and I throw it
> around pretty well.
I have AutoCad experience, and a couple others also, and I think
you'd find it interesting how little difference there actually
is. The vast majority of the changes have been annoyance fixes
and collections of little things here and there that make
implementations a little easier and faster to do. Capability
wise however, there are actually few things AC can do that TC
can't do; they're just different.
Since you have Pro, you can prove a lot of that to yourself
simply by searching around and opening a few AC dwgs and watch to
see what the errors and limitations are. I think you'll be
pleasnatly surprised. Assuming of course that TC is still good
at doing that. It'll vary of course, based on the sets of
tools used and who uses them, but in genereal you'll find very
few AC files you can't open and manipulate just fine. In fact, I
do it often, or did up until a couple years ago, with version 7.1
Pro.
>
> As far as I know, IMSI is still making and marketing TurboCAD.
> This has been true for quite a while now. I certainly hope
> those of you who are having problems are calling the help
> facility up there at IMSI. Every time I have had occasion to
> do so I've received all the assistance I needed to correct the
> problem.
Actually, my track record with IMSI/INTUIT et al support isn't
very pretty. The most helpful thing I got from any of my
contacts was along the lines of "Yeah, that's an annoying thing,
but here's how to work around it" sort of response. In other
words, they knew about the bugs and only wanted to let me know
how to workaround. One place offered me some scripts, but ...
well, I didn't need them.
Their support areas still need a lot of help, IMO, especially on
the email side.
I will admit that I am relatively new to TurboCAD, but
> not to CAD. I started with TurboCAD back 3 years ago when I
> purchased it for $70 at a Staples store.
You are new then<g>. I've been with them since, I think it was,
version 3 and Generic CADD before that. Then came 5, 7, and
after that I'd pretty much quit watching. For me, 7 was
apparently the last reasonably consistantly stable version they
had. 8 9 and 10 I watched now and then and stayed away from. 11
looked good and I figured 12 should finally be a good number, but
in my case I was wrong. The went downhill from 11 to 12 by all
appearances. That's for MY purposes, not yours. It's always a
ymmv situation with something like TC apps.
>
> In my estimation, it was pretty cheap for the ability to draw,
> modify, and store my cabinetry, furniture, and toy drawings.
>
>
Generic CADD was the cheapest; free! It was amazing what it
could do and seemed to have a great future!
Regards,
Pop`
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:59:45 GMT, "Pop"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've run TurboCad Pro version 7 for many years now and
> > get along very well with it. I recall versions 8 thru 10
...
>
> I upgraded to version 12 from version 11. Haven't used it
> enough yet to comment on bugs and the like. But ... as far
> as installation; I don't know if you need the old version
> installed or not for it to install the upgrade (I don't
> think so, based upon the install messages, but can't
> confirm). However, you do have to do the on-line
> registration thing, or the copy will self-expire after 30
> days. I'm not too fond of on-line registration
> requirements, but had forgotten that detail from the
> version 11 install.
Thanks, appreciate the comeback. NBD over needing the prior
version other than the nuisance of keeping it around for future
installs should they be needed.
If I read correctly, the online registration is to force you to
go to them to get one of the install codes needed; authorization
or something. Apparently there are two codes; a serial number
and an auth code? Not sure.
Question: Does it call home do you know? I don't mean auto
update checks; I mean more like data-sending activity at odd
times. I've been watching this trial version and it's not
calling home, but that doesn't mean much since it's "trial"
software. I don't like Call Homes when I have no way of checking
to see what's being transmitted and to whom.
Another person mentioned a patch/update for it. Would you mind
posting your rev level from Help About? I don't see any patches
available for it.
Thanks, & TIA
Pop`
I have TurboCAD v12 Deluxe, upgraded from v11 this year. I use it every day
and have found that there is little that I need to draw that can't be done
with it. Of course the Deluxe version won't do the solid modeling that the
Pro version does. But I get along quite well without it. My 3D stuff looks
decent without the texturing and solid modeling.
Installation is easy. No additional disk or prior program needed. I made a
CD from my installation once it was done, just to keep it around if I need
to re-install for some reason. The program isn't any more buggy that most
others I've seen. In fact, the 3D and 2D Boolean operations are cleaner
than before.
John
"Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:lMatg.6458$wZ.5764@trndny01...
> Hi all,
>
> I've run TurboCad Pro version 7 for many years now and get along very well
> with it. I recall versions 8 thru 10 were a little buggy and provided not
> a lot of great added features so I bypassed those. Now I'm retired I no
> longer need the full power of the Pro version and so have been considering
> upgrading to the less expensive Deluxe version.
> Then, conincidentally, today I received an ad for an upgrade to V12 for
> $49.50 and I'm very seriously considering going for it at that price.
> Previously it was $149 for the upgrade version.
>
> My questions: Is there any experience here with version 12? It is buggy,
> ease of install, that sort of thing. Oh, and is the CD standalone or does
> it depend on keeping the old version around to install the new? I hate
> those kinds of updates though I understand why they do it. Guess I'm
> mostly interested in buggy and ease of installation.
>
> Just thought I'd see if there was any real world experience around before
> I plop down my money.
>
> TIA,
>
> Pop
>
>
> --
> --
> If today's the first day of
> the rest of my life;
> what was yesterday?
>
"CW" <[email protected]> said:
<snip>
>...No, they do not spam you.
It's true that I've never received spamming emails from them, but I've
been tempted to try to get a restraining order to stop them from
telephoning me again and again and again and ... whenever they
release a new version.
FWIW, I'd prefer the spam
Well, there were several issues and annoyances, really, once I
started to put it to real work. I never figured out exactly what
the sources of the problems were, I only knew they were new and
unacceptable due to the number of them.
-- Dimensioning and sometimes dragging littered the screen with
interim line draws of whatever you were working on until the area
was visibly useless until I did an F5 Redraw. That one I found
others commenting on at one of the forums, such as those things
are. I have to say, they're in a steep downward spiral in my
opinion.
-- Hatching was hit or miss.
-- Switching from one tool to another was hit or miss; might or
might not switch on the first click.
-- I couldn't get some settings to "stick" when set in the
Options menues.
-- Unpredictable start up times, apparently depending on what
else had been going on in memory.
-- Somehow, they man aged to make the screen a lot harder to see
the tools compared to my old 7. Same size, just a lot harder to
see.
Everything I had problems with worked fine in version 7.1 Pro.
There are some nice additions and useful features, but ... it
just didn't work out. Very annoying to use.
I will say it never crashed or mucked anything up, but it was
certainly a large annoyance for something I paid for. Bad guess
on my part.
Oh, and no backward compatability was a big issue too. A LOT
of people are still using versions 5 and 7.
There were a few other things but that's a short list of it. I
tried the uninstall/clean/reinstall with no success.
I'm more likely just stick with 7.1 Pro rather than throw anymore
money after it. I simply got sucked in by the $49 price; it
seemed like a deal, but then you get what you pay for. Version
7.1, the Pro version, does everything and more than I really need
at this stage of my life so I'll stick with it.
IF nothing else, this was a good lesson in getting what you pay
for. Now let's see if they really do the promised refund.
Pop`
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What, exactly, is the problem(s) that made you get a refund?
> No, I don't
> think 12 is worth using but some do. I went back to 11 early
> on. You might
> want to look at EBay for 11. Yes, it's legal to buy it this way
> (legal for
> any software but IMSI admits it, some don't).
>
> "Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:qabug.4660$T87.1386@trndny05...
>> My thanks to all those who responded. After futzing with the
>> trial version for a bit, I plunked down my money yesterday and
>> downloaded the software.
>>
>> What a disappointment!
>>
>
>
My thanks to all those who responded. After futzing with the
trial version for a bit, I plunked down my money yesterday and
downloaded the software.
What a disappointment!
Just a few minutes ago, while I was asking for my refund, all ran
successfully and when I got to the final page, the text, just
below where it said "Refund Initiated", says:
"
(We'll put a whole bunch of stuff here with instructions on what
an eLOD is and how to complete it, but no one has given me the
text for it.
"
Now, THAT's a great bit of professionalism, ain't it? Gee
gawrsh, monkee, if somebody don't do it fer me, I shur can't dew
it!!
Jeez, I couldn't believe it! How pathetic. Oh, and that missing
information was on the preceding page!
I think I'll follow up my refund request with a phone call!
LOL,
Pop`
JBD in Denver wrote:
> CW,
>
> I'm very new to CAD, so I'm sure that there are many things
> that escape me using Pro V12... It's the only thing I've
> used (not counting dabbling w/ DesignCAD on an XT in the
> mid 80s).
> Your post scares me - what problems should I be looking for
> in V12? Does it crash, is it too hard to use, measurements
> are bad?? Not looking for a full review - just what could
> hurt me in the long run - in design and learning the
> program.
> Thanks
>
> jbd in Denver
AS an admitted newbie, you most likely have little to worry
about. The basics are likely to work pretty well - and IMO
you're not likely to see many problems for some time to come at
your level of expertise.
I went ahead and downloaded the trial version and have played
with it on drawings created in version 7 with zero problems so
far. The only thing that's showed up to date has been a Pro
version use of lighting/light sources that Deluxe doesn't do, and
which are totally unimportant to me. Haven't played much with
the 3D stuff yet, but it's handling every drawing from 7 that
I've opened so far. And, I see a lot of fixes and improvements
along the way that I like. I'll likely pay for it tomorrow
unless something bad shows up in the meantime. Oh, haven't tried
the new (to me) extrude functions yet either; hope to this
afternoon.
HTH
Pop`