I've been suffering with dialup for what seems like forever and finally I
made the jump to Mediacom cable internet with this new computer. Sure its
pricey, but I think once you try it you won't go back to the dark ages of
phone line phandango. I tried to subscribe to DSL but the piddlin' phone
company in my town, Century Telephone, does't have it where I am. So youse
guys that post those humongous sized files with pittchurs to abpw or abpf,
I'll not belly ache about it. Besides you get 10 meg of webspace for each
of 6 email addresses that come with the service.
Larry
--
Lawrence L'Hote
Columbia, MO
http://home1.gte.net/llhote/
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:50:45 +0100, Gnube <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Here in the UK they got RADSL, and 5 miles is fine, but no more!
Sorry, brain fart, that's 5.5 Kilometres not miles - still not quite
got that metric down pat! ;O)
Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:37:15 GMT, bonomi@c-ns. (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Gnube <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:50:45 +0100, Gnube <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Here in the UK they got RADSL, and 5 miles is fine, but no more!
>>
>>Sorry, brain fart, that's 5.5 Kilometres not miles - still not quite
>>got that metric down pat! ;O)
>
>5.5km very close to 18,000 ft which is the limit for most DSL in the U.S.,
>w/o a 'repeater' -- which can extend the reach to circa 25,000 ft.
We don't do feet over here anymore, so the impact of what you're
telling me got a tad lost by now.
I'm guessing they're about the same lengths by now? Not sure if
"repeaters" get involved at all here. Probably not if it cost anything
at all knowing how tight BT (unchecked UK monopoly telco) are! Tight
is fine, (I guess) but when mixed with stoopid and arrogant as they do
it, then the result for the consumer is just horrendous!
Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}
Hi Larry,
No matter where you are or what you have...someone somewhere has it better
than you. You can't win.
Anyway, congrats on moving up to cable.
I've had roadrunner for a couple of years now and loving it. However, my
phone modem is nearby if needed.
Regards.
BigJoe
--
Be sure to check out Joe's and Betty's webpages...
http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/kb8qlrjoe/index.html
"Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:_bgUa.146758$H17.50605@sccrnsc02...
> I've been suffering with dialup for what seems like forever and finally I
> made the jump to Mediacom cable internet with this new computer. Sure its
> pricey, but I think once you try it you won't go back to the dark ages of
> phone line phandango. I tried to subscribe to DSL but the piddlin' phone
> company in my town, Century Telephone, does't have it where I am. So
youse
> guys that post those humongous sized files with pittchurs to abpw or abpf,
> I'll not belly ache about it. Besides you get 10 meg of webspace for each
> of 6 email addresses that come with the service.
>
> Larry
>
> --
> Lawrence L'Hote
> Columbia, MO
> http://home1.gte.net/llhote/
>
>
>
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:28:23 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
<[email protected]> wrote:
> It's not such a gloat when I'm on the marginal makeup. <G>
Welcome to MY world then! ;O) <sigh>
Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:44:09 -0500, "todd"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>That's interesting seeing as a DS3 tops out at 43Mbps/8=5.4MB/s.
>
>todd
>
Correct. My line speed back to the DSLAM is about 7, so on the DS3 I
don't get every bit of the ADSL line.
However, some of the tests are done with higher level optical
upstreams. To be perfectly honest, I can't tell the differece
between the different upstream connections, unless we're doing
scripted tests.
Barry
I'm guessing you work for the phone company, or you sell broadband??
I'd say something but I have a two year old. :)
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:13:46 GMT, "Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I've been suffering with dialup for what seems like forever and finally I
>>made the jump to Mediacom cable internet with this new computer.
>
>
> <WARNING!!!! MAJOR GLOAT FOLLOWS!>
>
> Think that's fast? I have an unrestricted DSL test line that clocks
> out in the 7 MB/s range at the side of my house. The upstream side
> of the DSLAM is fed with a DS3 with only TWO subscribers, myself, and
> one other, using it outside of 8-5 M-F.
>
> Did I mention the service is free? <G>
>
> Barry
"McQualude" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> C Wood spaketh...
>
> > You'd notice, after a while a couple of things:
> >
> > 1. Cable is way faster most of the time.
> > 2. DSL is more reliable
> > 3. When cable is slow, DSL will still be 90% of optimum
> > 4. In all cases, cable uploads to the net WAY faster.
> > 5. Cable drops more packets than DSL
>
> I guess it depends on where you live. I've had both and I've found cable
> to reliable, consistant and much faster than DSL. Again, it depends on
> where you live, but I don't know anyone who has dropped cable for DSL in
> this area, but many have gone the other way.
>
> Here would be my list Roadrunner vs. Earthlink
> 1. Cable is faster
> 2. Cable is more reliable
> 3. Cable is consistant in speed, DSL was up and down
> 4. Cable uploads faster
> 5. Both were good about not dropping packets
> 6. Cable is always on, DSL wasn't
> 7. Cable doesn't require additional software, DSL did and the software
> used a lot of memory
> 8. Customer support for cable exists (not great, but problems get fixed
> after a couple of calls, you have to get the right person)
>
> Earthlink had no customer support to speak of when I dropped them (twoish
> years ago) if the problem was too complicated they would hang up or pass
> you to another person who would want to start from scratch again, they
> would make appointments for technicians to come out and troubleshoot the
> line and the techs wouldn't show up, then I would have to reschedule (I
> think the linetechs worked for Covad or Bellsouth) Earthlink sucked in
> every way, I would never go back unless I had no other option
>
> --
> McQualude
OK, but considering Earthlink to be "normal" type DSL with the features you
mentioned above would be like saying that AOL is "Real Internet"! What you
are describing is an implementation problem with Earthlinks method of DSL.
A little research will show that this approach is NOT how DSL is handled by
the better providers. The problems you describe are Earthlink, not DSL in
general. On a national (USA anyway) scale, DSL is much more stable than
Cable. With any real DSL connection, you should have to use no software to
make connection. Any other used should be of the antivirus/firewall
variety, if any. And once again, ADSL is the most widely known type, but in
many ways, has the most limitations. Look for other forms and you will find
better quality, longer distances, better providers, and much better service.
Digger
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"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:58:25 GMT, McQualude <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >I think they generally wait until there is sufficient interest in the
> >neighborhood (do they have a waiting list) until they install the DSLAM
>
> Or you have a politician, state or local PUC member, or high profile
> reporter living in your neighborhood. When the CATV company announces
> internet service for your address, it also does wonders for DSL
> availability. <G>
>
> Barry
It's amazing how that works! Sorta like when your cable gets slow and you
call...you get the run around, but get ALL of your neighborhood to call a
few times, and suddenly the pipe gets bigger!
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:26:49 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Welcome to the wonderful world of broadband.... The part I appreciate the
>most is not having to wait to sign on and never having to sign off. At
>least with DSL I do not have to sign on when using a router.
>Something to also consider with DSL that may shoot you out of the saddle
>anyway is that even if you telephone company does offer DSL, you must be
>relative close to the main office. IIRC 3 miles away is beginning to
>stretch the limits and 5 miles is out of the question.
Here in the UK they got RADSL, and 5 miles is fine, but no more!
Having said that, DSL of any flavour requires a supplier who really
knows what they are doing - and to prove it mine doesn't! The service
is great when it's running as it should but when it don't, it can seem
worse than a dial up - those moments are getting less lately, but they
happen and boy do you notice it once you're used to always on and
mostly damn quick!
Of course it also reveals problems in other services you connect to
which you previously thought were solid and reliable! Can't have it
all you know! ;O)
First time I surfed with it, I damn near fell out of the chair as it
arrived so quick it caught me out and I jumped back or flinched in
total surprise! ;O) (boy did I feel foolish, but the grin lasted a
fair few weeks!)
Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}
In news:_bgUa.146758$H17.50605@sccrnsc02,
Lawrence L'Hote <[email protected]> typed:
> I've been suffering with dialup for what seems like forever and
> finally I made the jump to Mediacom cable internet with this new
> computer. Sure its pricey, but I think once you try it you won't go
> back to the dark ages of phone line phandango. I tried to subscribe
> to DSL but the piddlin' phone company in my town, Century Telephone,
> does't have it where I am. So youse guys that post those humongous
> sized files with pittchurs to abpw or abpf, I'll not belly ache about
> it. Besides you get 10 meg of webspace for each of 6 email addresses
> that come with the service.
>
> Larry
I've been on cable for several years as well and have great performance (for
the most part). My d/l speeds are much faster than anyone I know on DSL for
the same price. I just did a speed test from
http://computingcentral.msn.com/internet/speedtest.asp and have clipped the
results and posted in ABPW. At 4pm on a Friday it's over 3400 kbps!!
"Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:KWkUa.148195$H17.51160@sccrnsc02...
FWIW I didn't expect my original post to generate so
> much 'yours-is-ok-but-mine-is-better/faster' thread.
>
Awhhh your kidding right... There is always one some one that has
something better.... Mine has a 6 hp router..
"Saudade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:GPiUa.3844$j%[email protected]...
> the same price. I just did a speed test from
> http://computingcentral.msn.com/internet/speedtest.asp and have clipped
the
> results and posted in ABPW. At 4pm on a Friday it's over 3400 kbps!!
The best I've been able to check is around 2000 kbps but right now(7:30 pm)
it's around 1500 kbps. FWIW I didn't expect my original post to generate so
much 'yours-is-ok-but-mine-is-better/faster' thread.
Larry
In article <[email protected]>,
Gnube <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:50:45 +0100, Gnube <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Here in the UK they got RADSL, and 5 miles is fine, but no more!
>
>Sorry, brain fart, that's 5.5 Kilometres not miles - still not quite
>got that metric down pat! ;O)
5.5km very close to 18,000 ft which is the limit for most DSL in the U.S.,
w/o a 'repeater' -- which can extend the reach to circa 25,000 ft.
C Wood spaketh...
> You'd notice, after a while a couple of things:
>
> 1. Cable is way faster most of the time.
> 2. DSL is more reliable
> 3. When cable is slow, DSL will still be 90% of optimum
> 4. In all cases, cable uploads to the net WAY faster.
> 5. Cable drops more packets than DSL
I guess it depends on where you live. I've had both and I've found cable
to reliable, consistant and much faster than DSL. Again, it depends on
where you live, but I don't know anyone who has dropped cable for DSL in
this area, but many have gone the other way.
Here would be my list Roadrunner vs. Earthlink
1. Cable is faster
2. Cable is more reliable
3. Cable is consistant in speed, DSL was up and down
4. Cable uploads faster
5. Both were good about not dropping packets
6. Cable is always on, DSL wasn't
7. Cable doesn't require additional software, DSL did and the software
used a lot of memory
8. Customer support for cable exists (not great, but problems get fixed
after a couple of calls, you have to get the right person)
Earthlink had no customer support to speak of when I dropped them (twoish
years ago) if the problem was too complicated they would hang up or pass
you to another person who would want to start from scratch again, they
would make appointments for technicians to come out and troubleshoot the
line and the techs wouldn't show up, then I would have to reschedule (I
think the linetechs worked for Covad or Bellsouth) Earthlink sucked in
every way, I would never go back unless I had no other option
--
McQualude
Saudade spaketh...
> I just did a speed test from
> http://computingcentral.msn.com/internet/speedtest.asp and have
> clipped the results and posted in ABPW. At 4pm on a Friday it's over
> 3400 kbps!!
smokin' I came in at 1111.1 kbps
this is interesting, test your speed to different countries
http://www.numion.com/YourSpeed/
--
McQualude
Digger spaketh...
> What you are describing is an implementation problem with
> Earthlinks method of DSL. A little research will show that this
> approach is NOT how DSL is handled by the better providers. The
> problems you describe are Earthlink, not DSL in general.
Not necessarily, I have lived in several states and one thing is
consistant, I've always had more phone problems than cable problems.
Earthlink buys the service from Bellsouth or Time Warner and resells it,
even still, that is no excuse for their poor customer service. Mindspring
was the best ISP out of many that I've tried, but the day they merged with
Earthlink everything went to hell in handbasket.
Well, I guess we're way off-topic, back to makin' shavin's!
--
McQualude
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:23:57 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>I can't get DSL either. In my case it is because we have fiber in the
>street and DSL is not currently compatible with fiber.
Yes it is. That fiber dosen't feed directly to your home or business
unless you buy an optical connection, which is currently way big
bucks. The fiber feeds a "subscriber multiplexer" that then feeds the
copper wire to your home. The DSL can easily be inserted into the
line at the remote hut where your phone service is converted to
copper.
What's really going on is your phone company hasn't yet installed a
DSLAM device in the hut to provide DSL in your area. In fact, the
DSLAM is often fed with fiber on the upstream side!
Barry
My cable modem slows down from time to time, but the cable company has
plenty of bandwidth in reserve and frees some up to get things back up to
speed in these situations.
"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've had cable broadband for about four years now. I agree with what you
> say for the most part. I will tell you that the throughput has been
> slowing down significantly as more people have been getting the service.
> I wish I had DSL since it's not supposed to be vulnerable to this type
> of slowdown. Outages have been nil in the last two years, but were
> pretty bad the first few months I had the service.
>
> I still try to edit my pics to a file size of around 50k for narrow band
> users. I have some of the train cars I made last weekend but don't have
> the software on the new computer to hack em down in size. Maybe this
> weekend.
>
> Lawrence L'Hote wrote:
> > I've been suffering with dialup for what seems like forever and finally
I
> > made the jump to Mediacom cable internet with this new computer. Sure
its
> > pricey, but I think once you try it you won't go back to the dark ages
of
> > phone line phandango. I tried to subscribe to DSL but the piddlin'
phone
> > company in my town, Century Telephone, does't have it where I am. So
youse
> > guys that post those humongous sized files with pittchurs to abpw or
abpf,
> > I'll not belly ache about it. Besides you get 10 meg of webspace for
each
> > of 6 email addresses that come with the service.
> >
> > Larry
> >
>
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:25:01 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r . <Keep it
in the [email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:13:46 GMT, "Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I've been suffering with dialup for what seems like forever and finally I
>>made the jump to Mediacom cable internet with this new computer.
>
><WARNING!!!! MAJOR GLOAT FOLLOWS!>
>
>Think that's fast? I have an unrestricted DSL test line that clocks
>out in the 7 MB/s range at the side of my house. The upstream side
>of the DSLAM is fed with a DS3 with only TWO subscribers, myself, and
>one other, using it outside of 8-5 M-F.
>
>Did I mention the service is free? <G>
>
>Barry
That's hot, but in theory you could max it out and get about one more
MB out of it, as top end could be 8Mb or so (being very rough here and
ignoring overheads and suchlike etc.!) Be worth a tinker in your
situation - http://www.dslreports.com/ & http://www.adslguide.org.uk/
(message board for latter one, just ask in the tech areas) I bet
someone would help with tweaking for that, just for the sheer hell of
knowing how it went!)
Sure makes me a tad envious, as I got the half meg service and don't
think I'll be able to get 1Mb due to distance from exchange and poor
local copper & and incompetent local/national suppliers/ISP. I'm happy
enough with it I guess, but yours must be a magnificent thing to
behold when it's in full flight! ;O)
Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <Keep it in the [email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:13:46 GMT, "Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I've been suffering with dialup for what seems like forever and finally I
> >made the jump to Mediacom cable internet with this new computer.
>
> <WARNING!!!! MAJOR GLOAT FOLLOWS!>
>
> Think that's fast? I have an unrestricted DSL test line that clocks
> out in the 7 MB/s range at the side of my house. The upstream side
> of the DSLAM is fed with a DS3 with only TWO subscribers, myself, and
> one other, using it outside of 8-5 M-F.
>
> Did I mention the service is free? <G>
>
> Barry
That's interesting seeing as a DS3 tops out at 43Mbps/8=5.4MB/s.
todd
"Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:KWkUa.148195$H17.51160@sccrnsc02...
>
> "Saudade" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:GPiUa.3844$j%[email protected]...
> > the same price. I just did a speed test from
> > http://computingcentral.msn.com/internet/speedtest.asp and have clipped
> the
> > results and posted in ABPW. At 4pm on a Friday it's over 3400 kbps!!
curios, the msn.com/internet gives a 'reading' considerably lower than the
one at
http://www.2wire.com/meter/bmresult.html?kbps=1663.3
1300 kbps vs. 2020 kbps
Larry
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:13:46 GMT, "Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I've been suffering with dialup for what seems like forever and finally I
>made the jump to Mediacom cable internet with this new computer.
<WARNING!!!! MAJOR GLOAT FOLLOWS!>
Think that's fast? I have an unrestricted DSL test line that clocks
out in the 7 MB/s range at the side of my house. The upstream side
of the DSLAM is fed with a DS3 with only TWO subscribers, myself, and
one other, using it outside of 8-5 M-F.
Did I mention the service is free? <G>
Barry
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:13:46 GMT, "Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I've been suffering with dialup for what seems like forever and finally I
>made the jump to Mediacom cable internet with this new computer. Sure its
>pricey, but I think once you try it you won't go back to the dark ages of
>phone line phandango. I tried to subscribe to DSL but the piddlin' phone
>company in my town, Century Telephone, does't have it where I am. So youse
>guys that post those humongous sized files with pittchurs to abpw or abpf,
>I'll not belly ache about it. Besides you get 10 meg of webspace for each
>of 6 email addresses that come with the service.
>
>Larry
Ya know, Lawrence, I posted my own epiphany regarding broadband
service on the Wreck a few weeks ago. Since then I've been monitoring
the outages and the high use times slow downs in the service and I've
decided to go back to my 56K connection.
I love it when it works but it doesn't work according to spec often
enough for me to stick with it.
I was on Comcast and I guess what I think about them is this:
Who has been the most reliable over the last year; your cable company,
or your phone company?
The answer for me is. my phone company.
I can't get DSL either. In my case it is because we have fiber in the
street and DSL is not currently compatible with fiber.
I'll wait for the technology to catch up with the technology.
Former Broadband Cable Subscriber.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:58:25 GMT, McQualude <[email protected]>
wrote:
>B a r r y B u r k e J r . spaketh...
>
>> What's really going on is your phone company hasn't yet installed a
>> DSLAM device in the hut to provide DSL in your area. In fact, the
>> DSLAM is often fed with fiber on the upstream side!
>
>I think they generally wait until there is sufficient interest in the
>neighborhood (do they have a waiting list) until they install the DSLAM
Or you have a politician, state or local PUC member, or high profile
reporter living in your neighborhood. When the CATV company announces
internet service for your address, it also does wonders for DSL
availability. <G>
Barry
Welcome to the wonderful world of broadband.... The part I appreciate the
most is not having to wait to sign on and never having to sign off. At
least with DSL I do not have to sign on when using a router.
Something to also consider with DSL that may shoot you out of the saddle
anyway is that even if you telephone company does offer DSL, you must be
relative close to the main office. IIRC 3 miles away is beginning to
stretch the limits and 5 miles is out of the question.
"Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:_bgUa.146758$H17.50605@sccrnsc02...
> I've been suffering with dialup for what seems like forever and finally I
> made the jump to Mediacom cable internet with this new computer. Sure its
> pricey, but I think once you try it you won't go back to the dark ages of
> phone line phandango. I tried to subscribe to DSL but the piddlin' phone
> company in my town, Century Telephone, does't have it where I am. So
youse
> guys that post those humongous sized files with pittchurs to abpw or abpf,
> I'll not belly ache about it. Besides you get 10 meg of webspace for each
> of 6 email addresses that come with the service.
>
> Larry
>
> --
> Lawrence L'Hote
> Columbia, MO
> http://home1.gte.net/llhote/
>
>
>
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
> Did I mention the service is free? <G>
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Envy at this end. 1000 ft from telco office and no DSL. Can get ISDN
but all local calls with originate where calls to everyone I know
won't be local. Cable company brought cable out here 13 years ago.
Analog. Upgrade schedual keeps slipping. Direct TV is pricy and I
dish has trouble seeing out of the forrest.
Some day.....
Wes
"Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've been suffering with dialup for what seems like forever and finally I
>made the jump to Mediacom cable internet with this new computer. Sure its
>pricey, but I think once you try it you won't go back to the dark ages of
>phone line phandango. I tried to subscribe to DSL but the piddlin' phone
>company in my town, Century Telephone, does't have it where I am. So youse
>guys that post those humongous sized files with pittchurs to abpw or abpf,
>I'll not belly ache about it. Besides you get 10 meg of webspace for each
>of 6 email addresses that come with the service.
>
>Larry
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