Is there anyone who has ever built a cheap small fixed saw, for next to
nothing?
I am thinking the use of a small blade (5 inches) directly mounted on a
small surplus motor from sewing machines or washing machine or whatever.
I think it could be fixed mounted to a rigid frame, and the table
moved upwards to meet the saw.
I know it's impractical, and it's going against the grain of 'bigger is
better' sentiment, but hey, start small.
I'm more interested in the tool than in the woodworking itself, so that
explains why I am bothering to do this at all.
Hasan
Sure, and they used to sell the plans or give them away. They used
mostly plywood and seems like they were out of St Louis and called
Higgins or something like that.But is is sorta like cutting firwood.
An ax works, a double bit works even better and a cross cut saw is
faster, two man even faster and then BEGHOLD- the CHAINSAW!
I question why one of these super sharp super fast cutting saws hand
saws There has been an awfully lot of wood cut with a handsaw. Why
would they not be better for than using a washing machine blade &
motor?
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:02:37 GMT, Hasdrubal Hamilcar
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>Is there anyone who has ever built a cheap small fixed saw, for next to
>nothing?
>
>I am thinking the use of a small blade (5 inches) directly mounted on a
>small surplus motor from sewing machines or washing machine or whatever.
> I think it could be fixed mounted to a rigid frame, and the table
>moved upwards to meet the saw.
>
>I know it's impractical, and it's going against the grain of 'bigger is
>better' sentiment, but hey, start small.
>
>I'm more interested in the tool than in the woodworking itself, so that
>explains why I am bothering to do this at all.
>
>Hasan
>Is there anyone who has ever built a cheap small fixed saw, for next to
>nothing?
>
>I am thinking the use of a small blade (5 inches) directly mounted on a
>small surplus motor from sewing machines or washing machine or whatever.
A sewing machine motor would not have enough power. If you really want to do
something this dangerous, make your table saw from a garage sale circular saw.
Most ot the work is already done for you.
Roger Poplin dba [email protected]
Hasdrubal Hamilcar wrote:
>
> Is there anyone who has ever built a cheap small fixed saw, for next to
> nothing?
>
> I am thinking the use of a small blade (5 inches) directly mounted on a
> small surplus motor from sewing machines or washing machine or whatever.
Washing machine motors use thermal overload protection. They'll stop
-- and start up again -- with no warning.
> I think it could be fixed mounted to a rigid frame, and the table
> moved upwards to meet the saw.
>
> I know it's impractical, and it's going against the grain of 'bigger is
> better' sentiment, but hey, start small.
>
> I'm more interested in the tool than in the woodworking itself, so that
> explains why I am bothering to do this at all.
>
> Hasan
Look up "walking beam saw" for an alternative and maybe more practical DIY
approach.
Hasdrubal Hamilcar wrote:
>
> I was hoping to compensate for the lack of power and all, by making it
> numerically controlled and automatatic. It's just an untested idea
^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is the key word.
> right now.
>
> thanks to all,
> Hasan
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Hasdrubal Hamilcar wrote:
>
> T. wrote:
>
> >
> > A little homework should give you examples.
> >
>
> I searched google for 2 days, without finding anything much beyond
> bolting a circular saw to a table.
>
> I found a link to Gilliom manufacturing, and i can't wait to call them
> on Tuesday, ... but in the meanwhile I was getting impatient with all
> the waiting (you know when you just *have* to know fast) and I posted to
> the net.
>
> I wanted to know what types of motors are used, what torque is required
> at what speed, stuff like that. I wanted to build it using surplus
> motors and cobbled together parts, with the blade being the only brand
> new store bought item. It's more fun to do things yourself, better than
> buying something at prices far more than its value to you might be.
>
> Hasan
Considered restoring an older machine?
Hasdrubal Hamilcar wrote:
>
>
> T. wrote:
>
>>
>> A little homework should give you examples.
>
>
> I searched google for 2 days, without finding anything much beyond
> bolting a circular saw to a table.
>
> I found a link to Gilliom manufacturing, and i can't wait to call them
> on Tuesday, ... but in the meanwhile I was getting impatient with all
> the waiting (you know when you just *have* to know fast) and I posted to
> the net.
>
> I wanted to know what types of motors are used, what torque is required
> at what speed, stuff like that. I wanted to build it using surplus
> motors and cobbled together parts, with the blade being the only brand
> new store bought item. It's more fun to do things yourself, better than
> buying something at prices far more than its value to you might be.
>
>
>
> Hasan
>
Hasan,
There is no easy answer to your question. What motors are available to
you? Do have access to spindles, shafts, bearings or a lathe to modify
them? Why do you need a saw? The requirements for your saw should be
driven by the need. Yeah, it's more fun to build things yourself, but
some sort of an idea as to what you want to build and why is a good
first step. If you search the net you may be able to find the original
specs for the AMT table saw. Initiative may also help you in your quest.
Hank
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I made a cheap table saw like that: used an extra circular saw with a nice
big base, fitted that base to a 3/4 " plywood top in a table and there it
was. It hang below the table and could adjust depth and angle. I marked
center of blade on the table and then inset a yard stick to be able to
measure the cut.
Just find you a nice used circular saw at a pawn shop and go for it.
>
>
> Is there anyone who has ever built a cheap small fixed saw, for next to
> nothing?
>
> I am thinking the use of a small blade (5 inches) directly mounted on a
> small surplus motor from sewing machines or washing machine or whatever.
> I think it could be fixed mounted to a rigid frame, and the table
> moved upwards to meet the saw.
>
> I know it's impractical, and it's going against the grain of 'bigger is
> better' sentiment, but hey, start small.
>
> I'm more interested in the tool than in the woodworking itself, so that
> explains why I am bothering to do this at all.
>
> Hasan
>
find an old chevete - jack up, remove rear wheels, install saw blade.
I knew a guy who used that set up to cut firewood.
"Hasdrubal Hamilcar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:16%[email protected]...
>
>
> Is there anyone who has ever built a cheap small fixed saw, for next to
> nothing?
>
> I am thinking the use of a small blade (5 inches) directly mounted on a
> small surplus motor from sewing machines or washing machine or whatever.
> I think it could be fixed mounted to a rigid frame, and the table
> moved upwards to meet the saw.
>
> I know it's impractical, and it's going against the grain of 'bigger is
> better' sentiment, but hey, start small.
>
> I'm more interested in the tool than in the woodworking itself, so that
> explains why I am bothering to do this at all.
>
> Hasan
>
Sat, Oct 11, 2003, 10:02pm (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Hasdrubal=A0Hamilcar)
Is there anyone who has ever built a cheap small fixed saw, for next to
nothing? <snip>
Of coure not, no one has ever done anything like that in the entire
world.
But, are you asking if someone here has done that? I haven't. Are
there plans to do it? Yep, somewhere. What?
Of course, if you want to look, I think
it was FWW-41 (Jul/Aug 83) that has an article on making a wooden,
sliding top, cabinet saw. If you don't want anything that big,
somewhere I've seen a piece on making a small, modeler, saw. Fairly
sure enough details are on the web for that one, or one like it.
Several ways to do it, including the circular saw. One way, and
yes, it has been done, is fixed motor, and hinged top, to provide depth
control.
A little homework should give you examples.
JOAT
There must be a hundred silver dollars in here. I can't handle that sort
o' money, you've gotta be in the league of lawyers to steal that much.
- J. H. "Flannelfoot" Boggis
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
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Well JOAT I built my very first table saw,
Yep plans were in Popular Mechanics Circulation approx 1957,
Used an old motor, a polishing head and some scrap wood.
That sucker worked to, I guess I was about 14 years old at the time.
George
"T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Sat, Oct 11, 2003, 10:02pm (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Hasdrubal Hamilcar)
Is there anyone who has ever built a cheap small fixed saw, for next to
nothing? <snip>
Of coure not, no one has ever done anything like that in the entire
world.
But, are you asking if someone here has done that? I haven't. Are
there plans to do it? Yep, somewhere. What?
Of course, if you want to look, I think
it was FWW-41 (Jul/Aug 83) that has an article on making a wooden,
sliding top, cabinet saw. If you don't want anything that big,
somewhere I've seen a piece on making a small, modeler, saw. Fairly
sure enough details are on the web for that one, or one like it.
Several ways to do it, including the circular saw. One way, and
yes, it has been done, is fixed motor, and hinged top, to provide depth
control.
A little homework should give you examples.
JOAT
There must be a hundred silver dollars in here. I can't handle that sort
o' money, you've gotta be in the league of lawyers to steal that much.
- J. H. "Flannelfoot" Boggis
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 9 Oct 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
T. wrote:
>
> A little homework should give you examples.
>
I searched google for 2 days, without finding anything much beyond
bolting a circular saw to a table.
I found a link to Gilliom manufacturing, and i can't wait to call them
on Tuesday, ... but in the meanwhile I was getting impatient with all
the waiting (you know when you just *have* to know fast) and I posted to
the net.
I wanted to know what types of motors are used, what torque is required
at what speed, stuff like that. I wanted to build it using surplus
motors and cobbled together parts, with the blade being the only brand
new store bought item. It's more fun to do things yourself, better than
buying something at prices far more than its value to you might be.
Hasan
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:02:37 GMT, Hasdrubal Hamilcar
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am thinking the use of a small blade (5 inches) directly mounted on a
>small surplus motor from sewing machines or washing machine or whatever.
Really bad idea.
Get some time in using a real saw. Then re-think your design.
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Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A. wrote:
> Hasdrubal Hamilcar wrote:
>
>>Is there anyone who has ever built a cheap small fixed saw, for next to
>>nothing?
>>
>>I am thinking the use of a small blade (5 inches) directly mounted on a
>>small surplus motor from sewing machines or washing machine or whatever.
>
>
> Washing machine motors use thermal overload protection. They'll stop
> -- and start up again -- with no warning.
>
>
>>I'm more interested in the tool than in the woodworking itself, so that
>>explains why I am bothering to do this at all.
>>
>>Hasan
>
>
> Look up "walking beam saw" for an alternative and maybe more practical DIY
> approach.
Thanks, I was sort of hoping to use a small, cheap, fixed saw and use a
movable xy table or something (which could be easily built) with it. Or
perhaps use a 3.5" circular saw blade and make something for it to
track around the piece of wood on. So it's cutting depth could be
multipled by 2.
I was hoping to compensate for the lack of power and all, by making it
numerically controlled and automatatic. It's just an untested idea
right now.
thanks to all,
Hasan
Gerald Ross wrote:
>
> Hasdrubal Hamilcar wrote:
>
>
>>I was hoping to compensate for the lack of power and all, by making it
>>numerically controlled and automatatic. It's just an untested idea
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> This is the key word.
>
>
Do you have anything interesting to say with regards to automatic tools?
Please share.
Hasan
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A. wrote:
>>I wanted to know what types of motors are used, what torque is required
>>at what speed, stuff like that. I wanted to build it using surplus
>>motors and cobbled together parts, with the blade being the only brand
>>new store bought item. It's more fun to do things yourself, better than
>>buying something at prices far more than its value to you might be.
>>
>>Hasan
>
>
> Considered restoring an older machine?
No but that's a nice idea ... where could I find old broken equipment
from? Junkyards?
thanks,
Hasan
"Hasdrubal Hamilcar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Gerald Ross wrote:
>
> >
> > Hasdrubal Hamilcar wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I was hoping to compensate for the lack of power and all, by making it
> >>numerically controlled and automatatic. It's just an untested idea
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > This is the key word.
> >
> >
>
> Do you have anything interesting to say with regards to automatic tools?
> Please share.
>
> Hasan
>
I think you need to learn much much more about woodworking, and woodworking
machines, before you try to design a machine.
One description had your saw moving around, and from how I read it, making
cuts that were not necessarily in a straight line. Circular saws don't do
that. You concept of making up for power is not a rational one. You want
to use a cheap or free motor, but want to do CNC stuff. Cheap and CNC are
rarely said in the same sentence.
You will forgive me if I think all that is going on here is chain yanking,
because you are so uninformed, it has to be that. If you are for real,
better go hit the books, and learn a little. Right now, few will respond to
you, because you are sooo far off base, they don't know where to start.
--
Jim in NC