My wife and I are in the process of a new home construction. We have
purchased a large stained glass window to hang above the stairs (6' x 8').
We are planning on having an outside tempered glass window in front of the
stained glass. Any tips on what I should have the window hangers do and not
do? Should I line the inide of the tempered glass with screen or chicken
wire to keep a rock from coming through or is the tempered glass sufficient?
Any tips would be appreciated.
Thanks
Jeff
I agree with Bill B's response a single or double safety glass on the
outside will be sufficient. I have a few (not as large as your stained
glass) windows including a front door glass and side lites I have made.
So far 20 + years no problems. I also agree to stay away from
plastics, they will scratch and yellow on you. My only concern is the
size of the stained glass window 6' X 8' is very large hopefully the
pane is reinforced enough to
keep it stiff. I usually solder in some reinforcing brass rods to keep
it from flexing on my large stained glass panels.
Jeff and Jennifer Cook wrote:
> My wife and I are in the process of a new home construction. We have
> purchased a large stained glass window to hang above the stairs (6' x
8').
> We are planning on having an outside tempered glass window in front
of the
> stained glass. Any tips on what I should have the window hangers do
and not
> do? Should I line the inide of the tempered glass with screen or
chicken
> wire to keep a rock from coming through or is the tempered glass
sufficient?
> Any tips would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Jeff
On 2005-02-17, Bill B <[email protected]> wrote:
> When I sell a stained glass window, or sidelights on the front door, I only
> recommend a normal piece of single strength glass in front of it. The odds
> of getting a rock or anything through a particular window are normally very
> slim. What really needs protecting is the stained glass from the elements.
> Most window cements are not terribly waterproof. And cleaning them, joints
> and all, is a real pain. If you are real worried about the location, a
> piece of tempered or double strength glass should provide all the protection
> you need. Avoid the plastics/polycarbonates, all I've seen yellow or sand
> blast real bad. Something above the stairs should just need environmental
> protection.
Ya know... I was reading an old "The Craftsman" from December 1902. One of
the articles was written by a "Glass Man". He claimed that the problem with
"Modern" (1900's) stained glass was cheapness on the part of the builder who
tried to use insufficient lead or other cost-cutting methods. He also complained
about customers who thought they knew more than he did about what was required
to support a stained glass window.
As way of proof he offered examples of stained glass from the 12th century that
were perfectly fine while current(1902) windows in New York City were falling
apart after a decade or two. The statement was made that outside glass was
not necessary at all.
Title of the article is "Rambling Thoughts of a Glass Man" and the author was
Otto Heinigke.
--
I can find no modern furniture that is as well designed and emotionally
satisfying as that made by the Arts and Crafts movement in the early years
of the last century.
When I sell a stained glass window, or sidelights on the front door, I only
recommend a normal piece of single strength glass in front of it. The odds
of getting a rock or anything through a particular window are normally very
slim. What really needs protecting is the stained glass from the elements.
Most window cements are not terribly waterproof. And cleaning them, joints
and all, is a real pain. If you are real worried about the location, a
piece of tempered or double strength glass should provide all the protection
you need. Avoid the plastics/polycarbonates, all I've seen yellow or sand
blast real bad. Something above the stairs should just need environmental
protection.
"Jeff and Jennifer Cook" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My wife and I are in the process of a new home construction. We have
> purchased a large stained glass window to hang above the stairs (6' x 8').
> We are planning on having an outside tempered glass window in front of the
> stained glass. Any tips on what I should have the window hangers do and
> not
> do? Should I line the inide of the tempered glass with screen or chicken
> wire to keep a rock from coming through or is the tempered glass
> sufficient?
> Any tips would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Jeff
>
>
igor wrote:
> Sounds like the house is on the infield at Daytona.
Or my grandpa's church. Damn kids.
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You might be better off having a local glass company make an insulated glass
unit .
3/16" or 1/4" tempered glass ( outside )
1/4" air space
stained glass
1/4" air space
3/16" or 1/4" tempered glass ( outside )
Then this can be glazed in the window custom frame
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:38:10 -0700, "Jeff and Jennifer Cook"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>My wife and I are in the process of a new home construction. We have
>>purchased a large stained glass window to hang above the stairs (6' x 8').
>>We are planning on having an outside tempered glass window in front of the
>>stained glass. Any tips on what I should have the window hangers do and
>>not
>>do? Should I line the inide of the tempered glass with screen or chicken
>>wire to keep a rock from coming through or is the tempered glass
>>sufficient?
>>Any tips would be appreciated.
>>Thanks
>>Jeff
>>
>
>
> forget the chicken wire. anything big enough to make it through the
> tempered is gonna go right through chicken wire.
>
> make sure the stained glass is covered by your insurance and stop
> worrying about it.
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:38:10 -0700, "Jeff and Jennifer Cook"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>We are planning on having an outside tempered glass window in front of the
>stained glass. Any tips
Post in rec.crafts.glass
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:38:10 -0700, "Jeff and Jennifer Cook"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My wife and I are in the process of a new home construction. We have
>purchased a large stained glass window to hang above the stairs (6' x 8').
>We are planning on having an outside tempered glass window in front of the
>stained glass. Any tips on what I should have the window hangers do and not
>do? Should I line the inide of the tempered glass with screen or chicken
>wire to keep a rock from coming through or is the tempered glass sufficient?
>Any tips would be appreciated.
>Thanks
>Jeff
>
Sounds like the house is on the infield at Daytona.
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:08:02 -0800, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:39:19 GMT, the inscrutable igor
><[email protected]> spake:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:37:45 -0500, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>What kind of stained glass image is this?... I mean.. that you're
>>>expecting rocks..
>>>
>>Excellent question.
>>
>>I'd like to make one of Moses receiving the 15 commandments (before he
>>dropped that one tablet of 5).
>
>God Bless Mel Brooks!
Thanks for returning the favor.
"Jeff and Jennifer Cook" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My wife and I are in the process of a new home construction. We have
> purchased a large stained glass window to hang above the stairs (6' x 8').
> We are planning on having an outside tempered glass window in front of the
> stained glass. Any tips on what I should have the window hangers do and
> not
> do? Should I line the inide of the tempered glass with screen or chicken
> wire to keep a rock from coming through or is the tempered glass
> sufficient?
> Any tips would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Jeff
talk to the people who are installing the s.g. panel. they will have the
best ideas of how to do this.
in general, you just install it in front of the existing window, which is a
normal window. the installers will have designed in rebar in the window that
will have to be sunk into the window frame which will support the glass
panel.
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "David Harper" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You might be better off having a local glass company make an insulated
>> glass
>> unit .
>>
>> 3/16" or 1/4" tempered glass ( outside )
>> 1/4" air space
>> stained glass
>> 1/4" air space
>> 3/16" or 1/4" tempered glass ( outside )
>>
>>
>> Then this can be glazed in the window custom frame
>
> I'm not certain about this, but you might have a problem with heat
> affecting the stained glass if it's installed in a sealed sandwich. Too
> much heat can soften the lead solder joints and cause the stained glass
> panel to sag.
>
well, no. there's lots of these units in front doors for example. solder
used in stained glass melts in the 650F range. it won't soften the joints.
it may soften the lead came itself, which is almost pure lead and melts in
the 450F range, but not likely. what is more likely is that the cement used
in the panel will soften, but if it's supported between 2 sheets of glass,
where's it gonna sag to?
> --
> Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
> ____
>
> "Sure we'll have fascism in America, but it'll come disguised
> as 100% Americanism." -- Huey P. Long
In article <[email protected]>,
"Jeff and Jennifer Cook" <[email protected]> wrote:
> My wife and I are in the process of a new home construction. We have
> purchased a large stained glass window to hang above the stairs (6' x 8').
> We are planning on having an outside tempered glass window in front of the
> stained glass. Any tips on what I should have the window hangers do and not
> do? Should I line the inide of the tempered glass with screen or chicken
> wire to keep a rock from coming through or is the tempered glass sufficient?
> Any tips would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Jeff
>
>
I would look into Lexan or polycarbonate or somesuch.
No rocks will be coming through Lexan.. and it is as clear as glass.
A 6' x 8' chunk of tempered glass will cost a fortune also.
You'd hate to mess up the visuals with chicken wire, no?
What kind of stained glass image is this?... I mean.. that you're
expecting rocks..
<g>
0¿0
Rob
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:31:35 -0700, the inscrutable [email protected]
spake:
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:38:10 -0700, "Jeff and Jennifer Cook"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>My wife and I are in the process of a new home construction. We have
>>purchased a large stained glass window to hang above the stairs (6' x 8').
>>We are planning on having an outside tempered glass window in front of the
>>stained glass. Any tips on what I should have the window hangers do and not
>>do? Should I line the inide of the tempered glass with screen or chicken
>>wire to keep a rock from coming through or is the tempered glass sufficient?
>>Any tips would be appreciated.
>forget the chicken wire. anything big enough to make it through the
>tempered is gonna go right through chicken wire.
>
>make sure the stained glass is covered by your insurance and stop
>worrying about it.
Use regular glass and have it included in your insurance. If anyone
wanted to throw a rock through it, they wouldn't stop at the outside
glass anyway, they'd keep going until the stained piece was ruined.
You know how savage those JFs are. <duckin', big time>
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:38:10 -0700, "Jeff and Jennifer Cook"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My wife and I are in the process of a new home construction. We have
>purchased a large stained glass window to hang above the stairs (6' x 8').
>We are planning on having an outside tempered glass window in front of the
>stained glass. Any tips on what I should have the window hangers do and not
>do? Should I line the inide of the tempered glass with screen or chicken
>wire to keep a rock from coming through or is the tempered glass sufficient?
>Any tips would be appreciated.
>Thanks
>Jeff
>
forget the chicken wire. anything big enough to make it through the
tempered is gonna go right through chicken wire.
make sure the stained glass is covered by your insurance and stop
worrying about it.
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:37:45 -0500, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>What kind of stained glass image is this?... I mean.. that you're
>expecting rocks..
>
Excellent question.
I'd like to make one of Moses receiving the 15 commandments (before he
dropped that one tablet of 5).
In article <[email protected]>,
"David Harper" <[email protected]> wrote:
> You might be better off having a local glass company make an insulated glass
> unit .
>
> 3/16" or 1/4" tempered glass ( outside )
> 1/4" air space
> stained glass
> 1/4" air space
> 3/16" or 1/4" tempered glass ( outside )
>
>
> Then this can be glazed in the window custom frame
I'm not certain about this, but you might have a problem with heat
affecting the stained glass if it's installed in a sealed sandwich. Too
much heat can soften the lead solder joints and cause the stained glass
panel to sag.
--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
____
"Sure we'll have fascism in America, but it'll come disguised
as 100% Americanism." -- Huey P. Long
In article <[email protected]>,
"Jeff and Jennifer Cook" <[email protected]> wrote:
> My wife and I are in the process of a new home construction. We have
> purchased a large stained glass window to hang above the stairs (6' x 8').
> We are planning on having an outside tempered glass window in front of the
> stained glass. Any tips on what I should have the window hangers do and not
> do? Should I line the inide of the tempered glass with screen or chicken
> wire to keep a rock from coming through or is the tempered glass sufficient?
> Any tips would be appreciated.
I'm a little confused about how it's going to be installed. Is the
stained glass free hanging (hovering over the stairs) or will it be
inside a window casement in the wall? If it's free hanging, you'd
certainly want tempered or safety glass that shatters in little square
pieces - hate to think of someone accidentally breaking the protective
glass from below only to be rained on with shards.
If it's to be mounted in an exterior window then you'd likely be A-OK
with a double strength pane (I think the 2x glass is noticeably quieter
in sound transmission but that's just my opinion). As Charles Spitzer
mentioned, get a stained glass shop involved in the installation. 6'x8'
is a pretty large panel and if constructed correctly will have
reinforcing bars tied in at regular intervals.
--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
____
"Sure we'll have fascism in America, but it'll come disguised
as 100% Americanism." -- Huey P. Long
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:39:19 GMT, the inscrutable igor
<[email protected]> spake:
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:37:45 -0500, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>What kind of stained glass image is this?... I mean.. that you're
>>expecting rocks..
>>
>Excellent question.
>
>I'd like to make one of Moses receiving the 15 commandments (before he
>dropped that one tablet of 5).
God Bless Mel Brooks!
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than Christianity has made them good." --H. L. Mencken
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