Saw this in the news this morning.
OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Court papers allege that an Olympia woman, angry
that her husband left her, tampered with his power tools so that he
received a powerful electric shock.
Carolyn Paulsen-Riat was booked Friday into the Thurston County Jail
for investigation of third-degree assault, domestic violence, and
second-degree malicious mischief. A judge released the 33-year-old
woman on her own recognizance.
The Olympian newspaper reports that court documents say that on Jan.
1, the man was using a 220-volt table saw when he received the shock,
knocking him to the ground. Thurston County sheriff's deputies say the
man did not need to go to a hospital.
In the documents, deputies say the woman told them she had reversed
the wires on his power tools because she was angry he was leaving.
Another good reason not to piss her off. It was komonews.com if you
want to see it.
Mike M
Robatoy wrote:
>
> I don't think there is such a thing as attempted murder. It's murder
> gone wrong. I draw a bead on some schmuck's head, pull the trigger,
> and the guy has the bullet rattle off his thick scull and survives.
> Another 1/8" to the left, he'd been dead.
> HOW do I get a reduced sentence because HE is lucky to survive?
> Premeditation to end his life? Check.
> Weapon? Check.
> Decision to pull the trigger? Check
> It is murder with a lucky victim.
> The only thing fair would be for the victim to take a shot, with the
> same gun, at the same distance, just to see how lucky *I* am.
In the case you posited, it may not be a criminal offense at all - in fact
the action may even be meritorious (self-defense, defense of another,
killing an enemy in time of war, victim was dressed in a deer suit, etc.).
It can get convoluted. Texas, as most other states, has a "generalized
attempt" statute. This law makes it illegal to attempt any criminal offense
that fails in its execution. The penalty for conviction is one grade lower
than had the offense been successful. So, then, if you set out to murder
someone (1st degree felony) and fail, you get the penalty for a 2nd degree
felony.
Meanwhile, there is the offense of Aggravated Assault ("causes serious
bodily injury") which is, by itself, a 2nd degree felony. So the penalties
for attempted murder and aggravated assault are the same.
The choice of which to charge may depend on the circumstances.
Consider "pistol-whipping" (beating someone with a handgun). The charge the
D.A. presses will depend on whether the gun was loaded! If the gun WAS
loaded, the D.A. can't prove attempted murder since, had you intended to
kill the victim, you could have simply shot him!
On Jan 10, 12:51=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Snip
>
> > Hell hath no fury ...
>
> > Should be attempted murder, IMO. He better get a new toothbrush while h=
e's
> > at it.
>
> Yesterday I was reading a cartoon that a neighbor sent to me. =A0Kim was =
with
> in arm swinging distance.
>
> 2 older guys sitting on the curb out side a store. =A0One looks over at t=
he
> other and asks,
>
> You know why a woman's work is never done?
>
> He follows up with,
>
> They don't get up early enough.
>
> Good thing Kim did not have a knife.... ;~)
Quite a fitting anecdote for an attempted murder thread. <G>
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Saw this in the news this morning.
>>
>> OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Court papers allege that an Olympia woman, angry
>> that her husband left her, tampered with his power tools so that he
>> received a powerful electric shock.
>
> I guess we should collectively hope that this doesn't get widespread
> distribution... don't want to give anyone ideas. On the other hand, how
> many could have pulled that off with out zapping themselves? ;~)
Probably many. Unplug the saw and do the deed. I suspect she knew more
than the average dummy though, in order to know what to do.
--
-Mike-
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"Mike M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Saw this in the news this morning.
>
> OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Court papers allege that an Olympia woman, angry
> that her husband left her, tampered with his power tools so that he
> received a powerful electric shock.
>
> Carolyn Paulsen-Riat was booked Friday into the Thurston County Jail
> for investigation of third-degree assault, domestic violence, and
> second-degree malicious mischief. A judge released the 33-year-old
> woman on her own recognizance.
>
> The Olympian newspaper reports that court documents say that on Jan.
> 1, the man was using a 220-volt table saw when he received the shock,
> knocking him to the ground. Thurston County sheriff's deputies say the
> man did not need to go to a hospital.
>
> In the documents, deputies say the woman told them she had reversed
> the wires on his power tools because she was angry he was leaving.
>
> Another good reason not to piss her off. It was komonews.com if you
> want to see it.
>
> Mike M
May the bitch face a judge with a woodshop in his garage.
B.
On Jan 10, 12:30=A0pm, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> news:[email protected]...
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>
>
>
>
> > On 1/10/2010 9:54 AM, Mike M wrote:
> >> Saw this in the news this morning.
>
> >> OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Court papers allege that an Olympia woman, angry
> >> that her husband left her, tampered with his power tools so that he
> >> received a powerful electric shock.
>
> >> Carolyn Paulsen-Riat was booked Friday into the Thurston County Jail
> >> for investigation of third-degree assault, domestic violence, and
> >> second-degree malicious mischief. A judge released the 33-year-old
> >> woman on her own recognizance.
>
> >> The Olympian newspaper reports that court documents say that on Jan.
> >> 1, the man was using a 220-volt table saw when he received the shock,
> >> knocking him to the ground. Thurston County sheriff's deputies say the
> >> man did not need to go to a hospital.
>
> >> In the documents, deputies say the woman told them she had reversed
> >> the wires on his power tools because she was angry he was leaving.
>
> >> Another good reason not to piss her off. =A0It was komonews.com if you
> >> want to see it.
>
> > Hell hath no fury ...
>
> > Should be attempted murder, IMO. He better get a new toothbrush while h=
e's
> > at it.
>
> I was thinking the same thing (attempted murder). =A0
I don't think there is such a thing as attempted murder. It's murder
gone wrong. I draw a bead on some schmuck's head, pull the trigger,
and the guy has the bullet rattle off his thick scull and survives.
Another 1/8" to the left, he'd been dead.
HOW do I get a reduced sentence because HE is lucky to survive?
Premeditation to end his life? Check.
Weapon? Check.
Decision to pull the trigger? Check
It is murder with a lucky victim.
The only thing fair would be for the victim to take a shot, with the
same gun, at the same distance, just to see how lucky *I* am.
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> "Mike M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Saw this in the news this morning.
>>>
>>> OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Court papers allege that an Olympia woman,
>>> angry that her husband left her, tampered with his power tools so
>>> that he received a powerful electric shock.
>>
>> I guess we should collectively hope that this doesn't get widespread
>> distribution... don't want to give anyone ideas. On the other hand,
>> how many could have pulled that off with out zapping themselves? ;~)
>
> Probably many. Unplug the saw and do the deed. I suspect she knew
> more than the average dummy though, in order to know what to do.
But it works both ways: The wires on the washing machine can be just as
easily swapped (then quickly swapped back)...
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>Snip
>
> Hell hath no fury ...
>
> Should be attempted murder, IMO. He better get a new toothbrush while he's
> at it.
>
Yesterday I was reading a cartoon that a neighbor sent to me. Kim was with
in arm swinging distance.
2 older guys sitting on the curb out side a store. One looks over at the
other and asks,
You know why a woman's work is never done?
He follows up with,
They don't get up early enough.
Good thing Kim did not have a knife.... ;~)
Joe wrote:
>>> In the documents, deputies say the woman told them she had reversed
>>> the wires on his power tools because she was angry he was leaving.
>>>
>>> Another good reason not to piss her off. It was komonews.com if you
>>> want to see it.
>>
>> Hell hath no fury ...
>>
>> Should be attempted murder, IMO. He better get a new toothbrush
>> while he's at it.
>>
>>
>
> I was thinking the same thing (attempted murder). I suppose she
> could claim ignorance as far as what could kill him, but *that*
> assertation is tough to reconcile with someone who has the knowledge
> to pull that stunt off without killing *themself*.
No worries for that in my house. Not necessarily because my wife loves me
either. She would not know how to get the cover off the electrical box.
On 1/10/2010 9:54 AM, Mike M wrote:
> Saw this in the news this morning.
>
> OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Court papers allege that an Olympia woman, angry
> that her husband left her, tampered with his power tools so that he
> received a powerful electric shock.
>
> Carolyn Paulsen-Riat was booked Friday into the Thurston County Jail
> for investigation of third-degree assault, domestic violence, and
> second-degree malicious mischief. A judge released the 33-year-old
> woman on her own recognizance.
>
> The Olympian newspaper reports that court documents say that on Jan.
> 1, the man was using a 220-volt table saw when he received the shock,
> knocking him to the ground. Thurston County sheriff's deputies say the
> man did not need to go to a hospital.
>
> In the documents, deputies say the woman told them she had reversed
> the wires on his power tools because she was angry he was leaving.
>
> Another good reason not to piss her off. It was komonews.com if you
> want to see it.
Hell hath no fury ...
Should be attempted murder, IMO. He better get a new toothbrush while
he's at it.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
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"Mike M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Saw this in the news this morning.
>
> OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Court papers allege that an Olympia woman, angry
> that her husband left her, tampered with his power tools so that he
> received a powerful electric shock.
I guess we should collectively hope that this doesn't get widespread
distribution... don't want to give anyone ideas. On the other hand, how many
could have pulled that off with out zapping themselves? ;~)
On Jan 10, 2:00=A0pm, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Jan 10, 12:30 pm, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > On 1/10/2010 9:54 AM, Mike M wrote:
> > >> Saw this in the news this morning.
>
> > >> OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Court papers allege that an Olympia woman, ang=
ry
> > >> that her husband left her, tampered with his power tools so that he
> > >> received a powerful electric shock.
>
> > >> Carolyn Paulsen-Riat was booked Friday into the Thurston County Jail
> > >> for investigation of third-degree assault, domestic violence, and
> > >> second-degree malicious mischief. A judge released the 33-year-old
> > >> woman on her own recognizance.
>
> > >> The Olympian newspaper reports that court documents say that on Jan.
> > >> 1, the man was using a 220-volt table saw when he received the shock=
,
> > >> knocking him to the ground. Thurston County sheriff's deputies say t=
he
> > >> man did not need to go to a hospital.
>
> > >> In the documents, deputies say the woman told them she had reversed
> > >> the wires on his power tools because she was angry he was leaving.
>
> > >> Another good reason not to piss her off. It was komonews.com if you
> > >> want to see it.
>
> > > Hell hath no fury ...
>
> > > Should be attempted murder, IMO. He better get a new toothbrush while
> > > he's
> > > at it.
>
> > I was thinking the same thing (attempted murder).
>
> I don't think there is such a thing as attempted murder. It's murder
> gone wrong. I draw a bead on some schmuck's head, pull the trigger,
> and the guy has the bullet rattle off his thick scull and survives.
> Another 1/8" to the left, he'd been dead.
> HOW do I get a reduced sentence because HE is lucky to survive?
> Premeditation to end his life? Check.
> Weapon? Check.
> Decision to pull the trigger? Check
> It is murder with a lucky victim.
> The only thing fair would be for the victim to take a shot, with the
> same gun, at the same distance, just to see how lucky *I* am.
>
> Okay, yes, agreed, but I was making my point with *available* legal
> definitions.
> My point was that the charge should be attempted murder, *not* a downgrad=
ed
> (which I believe your point to be) charge of 3rd degree assault.
The problem lies with "intent". From the NYS Penal code:
=A7 120.00 Assault in the third degree.
A person is guilty of assault in the third degree when:
1. With intent to cause physical injury to another person, he
causes
such injury to such person or to a third person; or
2. He recklessly causes physical injury to another person; or
3. With criminal negligence, he causes physical injury to
another
person by means of a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument.
Assault in the third degree is a class A misdemeanor.
She could argue that her intent was to destroy his tools, not to harm
him (see #2 above).
I think that a charge of attempted murder would be very hard to
prove.
Allen
"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Joe wrote:
>>>> In the documents, deputies say the woman told them she had reversed
>>>> the wires on his power tools because she was angry he was leaving.
>>>>
>>>> Another good reason not to piss her off. It was komonews.com if you
>>>> want to see it.
>>>
>>> Hell hath no fury ...
>>>
>>> Should be attempted murder, IMO. He better get a new toothbrush
>>> while he's at it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking the same thing (attempted murder). I suppose she
>> could claim ignorance as far as what could kill him, but *that*
>> assertation is tough to reconcile with someone who has the knowledge
>> to pull that stunt off without killing *themself*.
>
> No worries for that in my house. Not necessarily because my wife loves me
> either. She would not know how to get the cover off the electrical box.
You don't have any of those recalled books laying around for her to peruse
do you? ;~)
John
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jan 10, 12:30 pm, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> news:[email protected]...
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>
>
>
>
> > On 1/10/2010 9:54 AM, Mike M wrote:
> >> Saw this in the news this morning.
>
> >> OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Court papers allege that an Olympia woman, angry
> >> that her husband left her, tampered with his power tools so that he
> >> received a powerful electric shock.
>
> >> Carolyn Paulsen-Riat was booked Friday into the Thurston County Jail
> >> for investigation of third-degree assault, domestic violence, and
> >> second-degree malicious mischief. A judge released the 33-year-old
> >> woman on her own recognizance.
>
> >> The Olympian newspaper reports that court documents say that on Jan.
> >> 1, the man was using a 220-volt table saw when he received the shock,
> >> knocking him to the ground. Thurston County sheriff's deputies say the
> >> man did not need to go to a hospital.
>
> >> In the documents, deputies say the woman told them she had reversed
> >> the wires on his power tools because she was angry he was leaving.
>
> >> Another good reason not to piss her off. It was komonews.com if you
> >> want to see it.
>
> > Hell hath no fury ...
>
> > Should be attempted murder, IMO. He better get a new toothbrush while
> > he's
> > at it.
>
> I was thinking the same thing (attempted murder).
I don't think there is such a thing as attempted murder. It's murder
gone wrong. I draw a bead on some schmuck's head, pull the trigger,
and the guy has the bullet rattle off his thick scull and survives.
Another 1/8" to the left, he'd been dead.
HOW do I get a reduced sentence because HE is lucky to survive?
Premeditation to end his life? Check.
Weapon? Check.
Decision to pull the trigger? Check
It is murder with a lucky victim.
The only thing fair would be for the victim to take a shot, with the
same gun, at the same distance, just to see how lucky *I* am.
Okay, yes, agreed, but I was making my point with *available* legal
definitions.
My point was that the charge should be attempted murder, *not* a downgraded
(which I believe your point to be) charge of 3rd degree assault.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 1/10/2010 9:54 AM, Mike M wrote:
>> Saw this in the news this morning.
>>
>> OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Court papers allege that an Olympia woman, angry
>> that her husband left her, tampered with his power tools so that he
>> received a powerful electric shock.
>>
>> Carolyn Paulsen-Riat was booked Friday into the Thurston County Jail
>> for investigation of third-degree assault, domestic violence, and
>> second-degree malicious mischief. A judge released the 33-year-old
>> woman on her own recognizance.
>>
>> The Olympian newspaper reports that court documents say that on Jan.
>> 1, the man was using a 220-volt table saw when he received the shock,
>> knocking him to the ground. Thurston County sheriff's deputies say the
>> man did not need to go to a hospital.
>>
>> In the documents, deputies say the woman told them she had reversed
>> the wires on his power tools because she was angry he was leaving.
>>
>> Another good reason not to piss her off. It was komonews.com if you
>> want to see it.
>
> Hell hath no fury ...
>
> Should be attempted murder, IMO. He better get a new toothbrush while he's
> at it.
>
>
I was thinking the same thing (attempted murder). I suppose she could claim
ignorance as far as what could kill him, but *that* assertation is tough to
reconcile with someone who has the knowledge to pull that stunt off without
killing *themself*.
"Is there any reason to believe she is anything but a woman scorned, which
Hell no fury hath like?"
-captain jack sparrow
I loved that quote.
jc