"bjarthur" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any suggestions
> as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's quick-release steel
> bench vises look almost identical. does anyone have any experience
> with those that can recommend them? are there any other makes i should
> consider? thanks.
What size were you looking for? General has a 7" vise (95-700) on sale for
$99 (CA funds I believe) that looks half decent. Don't have any personal
experience with their vise, but if it's of the quality that most of their
other products are, then it should be fairly decent.
http://www.general.ca/pagetitre/ang/vises.html
Also, for those that are interested, General has done a complete revamp of
their website as well as adding a number of new products.
larry and lois: i did a similar search for "record vise" before i
posted, and everything on which i clicked through said that the item
was no longer available. i'm specifically looking for a woodworkers
vise, similar to the record #52 or #52-1/2. can you post a specific
link to a supplier of this?
edwin: what's a CD?
"bjarthur" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any suggestions
> as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's quick-release steel
> bench vises look almost identical. does anyone have any experience
> with those that can recommend them? are there any other makes i should
> consider? thanks.
>
i did not know what a record vise was
dont know like you said if record does not make them any more.
BUT did a google search "record vise" found plenty for sale.
Andy wrote:
> Highland Hardware has vises by Anant that they claim are made from the
> same tooling as the old Record vises - check out highlandhardware.com
> or
> http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6251
> I haven't used these, but noticed them in their catalog.
The operative word was Anant. It means Indian crap. YMMV, but I doubt
it.
Dave in Fairfax
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PC Paul wrote:
> It's a common situation. Lots of old UK car jigs/moulds etc are sold part
> and parcel to India and are still made over there. Why should this be any
> less likely?
> OTOH, the excellent 'Ballbarrow' (a wheelbarrow with a large ball instead of
> a wheel) went out of production because only one mould existed and it
> broke -(
There is more to making a tool than the casting it was made with.
Quality of materials, or lack thereof, finish, and in the case of cast
iron, allowing it to season before selling, just to mention a few.
Anyone who has everseen an Anant plane knows the quality of their work.
Dave in Fairfax
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[email protected] wrote:
> Paramo are the usual current Sheffield alternative to Record (there's a
> good tale as to why). A Parkinson's Perfect (old, no longer made) is
> generally regarded as more substantial than either.
Where are Paramo vices sold? When I did a search last, I found that
they weren't, just like the Records. I have a Record and and old
Columbian, pre-Wilton, but a Paramo would be nice for comparison.
Dave in Fairfax
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"bjarthur" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any suggestions
> as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's quick-release steel
> bench vises look almost identical. does anyone have any experience
> with those that can recommend them? are there any other makes i should
> consider? thanks.
I don't have and have never used a Record so I can't compare. I do have the
Lee Valley vice and it works well for me.
"bjarthur" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1123270422.810355.214710
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any suggestions
> as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's quick-release steel
> bench vises look almost identical. does anyone have any experience
> with those that can recommend them? are there any other makes i should
> consider? thanks.
>
I bought this one from Garrett Wade three or four years ago, and have been
generally pleased. BTW, do NOT request fast shipping. ;-)
http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=103185
&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12395&iSubCat=12391&iProductID=103185
Patriarch
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:59:22 -0500, Patriarch
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"bjarthur" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1123270422.810355.214710
>>@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any
>>> suggestions as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's
>>> quick-release steel bench vises look almost identical. does anyone
>>> have any experience with those that can recommend them? are there
>>> any other makes i should consider? thanks.
>>>
>>
>>I bought this one from Garrett Wade three or four years ago, and have
>>been generally pleased. BTW, do NOT request fast shipping. ;-)
>>
>>http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=
10318
>>5 &itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12395&iSubCat=12391&iProductID=103185
>>
>>Patriarch
>
> Looks very promising. What does the back of the vise look like?
> i.e.,
> how is the center rod held in the back to the two frame rods? The one
> weakness in the Record vise, at least the one I got 6 years ago is
> that the center rod is held to the back of the frame by a spacer with
> a pin through it. The rod and pin turn around the metal plate and will
> eventually cause the plate to wear such that the spacer plate will
> come loose from the frame rods -- not a good thing.
>
I'm not entirely certain of your question, but, after leaning under the
bench just now, the rear assembly of the vise seems very sturdy and
secure. There is a casting secured to the frame rods, and some sort of
threaded bushing for the screw.
If you're really interested, the support folks at Garret Wade are
usually able to answer questions pretty well. They have been selling
this one for a while now...
Patriarch,
spending more time on carpentry than fine woodworking this week...
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
<snip>
>>>>I bought this one from Garrett Wade three or four years ago, and
>>>>have been generally pleased. BTW, do NOT request fast shipping. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=
>>10318
>>>>5 &itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12395&iSubCat=12391&iProductID=103185
>>>>
>>>>Patriarch
>>>
>>> Looks very promising. What does the back of the vise look like?
>>> i.e.,
>>> how is the center rod held in the back to the two frame rods? The
>>> one weakness in the Record vise, at least the one I got 6 years ago
>>> is that the center rod is held to the back of the frame by a spacer
>>> with a pin through it. The rod and pin turn around the metal plate
>>> and will eventually cause the plate to wear such that the spacer
>>> plate will come loose from the frame rods -- not a good thing.
>>>
>>
>>I'm not entirely certain of your question, but, after leaning under
>>the bench just now, the rear assembly of the vise seems very sturdy
>>and secure. There is a casting secured to the frame rods, and some
>>sort of threaded bushing for the screw.
>
> Yeah, my terminology wasn't the best. If you take a look at the
> picture
> in <http://www.neofill.com/ItemId/B0000223R4/image>, you can see how
> the screw is captured against the two frame rails by a retaining
> plate. That plate in back obscures the retaining mechanism for the
> screw. The screw has a through-hole in back, through which a pin is
> inserted. That pin is used to retain the screw against the back
> plate. There-in lies the rub (pun intended); when turning the screw,
> the retaining pin rotates and rubs against the retaining plate. I have
> only had my vise installed for the past 4 years and don't use the vise
> on a daily or even weekly basis, but the pin has already worn the
> retaining plate such that the retaining plate has disengaged itself on
> several occasions from the frame rods. When that happens, the screw
> is unable disengage the vise (or tighten for that matter). In
> addition to the obvious irritation of having to re-attach the
> retaining plate, this repair is diabolical in that the retaining plate
> is just waiting for the operator to get his fingers in just the right
> place before re-engaging the frame rods such that some skin is
> captured between the retaining plate and frame rods.
>
> It seems as if either some kind of thrust bearing or threaded
> bushing
> would be a much more robust retention mechanism, particularly for a
> part that is *intended* to rotate.
>
>
The Garret Wade version is more substantially engineered.
Patriarch
"Larry and Lois" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> i did not know what a record vise was
Now that CDs have pretty much taken over, very little market for record
vices.
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 16:54:45 -0500, Patriarch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
><snip>
>
... snip
>>
>>
>
>The Garret Wade version is more substantially engineered.
>
>Patriarch
Thanks, I'm going to keep that in mind in the future. Doesn't look like
the Record is going to be the last vise I buy in my lifetime. :-(
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On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:59:22 -0500, Patriarch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"bjarthur" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1123270422.810355.214710
>@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any suggestions
>> as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's quick-release steel
>> bench vises look almost identical. does anyone have any experience
>> with those that can recommend them? are there any other makes i should
>> consider? thanks.
>>
>
>I bought this one from Garrett Wade three or four years ago, and have been
>generally pleased. BTW, do NOT request fast shipping. ;-)
>
>http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=103185
>&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12395&iSubCat=12391&iProductID=103185
>
>Patriarch
Looks very promising. What does the back of the vise look like? i.e.,
how is the center rod held in the back to the two frame rods? The one
weakness in the Record vise, at least the one I got 6 years ago is that the
center rod is held to the back of the frame by a spacer with a pin through
it. The rod and pin turn around the metal plate and will eventually cause
the plate to wear such that the spacer plate will come loose from the frame
rods -- not a good thing.
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Dave in Fairfax wrote:
> PC Paul wrote:
>> It's a common situation. Lots of old UK car jigs/moulds etc are sold
>> part and parcel to India and are still made over there. Why should
>> this be any less likely?
>> OTOH, the excellent 'Ballbarrow' (a wheelbarrow with a large ball
>> instead of a wheel) went out of production because only one mould
>> existed and it
>> broke -(
>
> There is more to making a tool than the casting it was made with.
> Quality of materials, or lack thereof, finish, and in the case of cast
> iron, allowing it to season before selling, just to mention a few.
> Anyone who has everseen an Anant plane knows the quality of their
> work.
>
I do know what you mean. I was just backing up the 'using the same moulds'
bit...
Wrong materials, bad finishing etc. makes all the difference...
[email protected] wrote:
>> Anant that they claim are made from the
>> same tooling as the old Record vises
>
> I'd believe George Bush before I believed that
It's a common situation. Lots of old UK car jigs/moulds etc are sold part
and parcel to India and are still made over there. Why should this be any
less likely?
OTOH, the excellent 'Ballbarrow' (a wheelbarrow with a large ball instead of
a wheel) went out of production because only one mould existed and it
broke -(
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 23:52:05 -0500, Patriarch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:59:22 -0500, Patriarch
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>"bjarthur" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1123270422.810355.214710
>>>@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> since record vises are no longer made, does anyone have any
>>>> suggestions as to equally good alternatives? lee valley's
>>>> quick-release steel bench vises look almost identical. does anyone
>>>> have any experience with those that can recommend them? are there
>>>> any other makes i should consider? thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I bought this one from Garrett Wade three or four years ago, and have
>>>been generally pleased. BTW, do NOT request fast shipping. ;-)
>>>
>>>http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=
>10318
>>>5 &itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=12395&iSubCat=12391&iProductID=103185
>>>
>>>Patriarch
>>
>> Looks very promising. What does the back of the vise look like?
>> i.e.,
>> how is the center rod held in the back to the two frame rods? The one
>> weakness in the Record vise, at least the one I got 6 years ago is
>> that the center rod is held to the back of the frame by a spacer with
>> a pin through it. The rod and pin turn around the metal plate and will
>> eventually cause the plate to wear such that the spacer plate will
>> come loose from the frame rods -- not a good thing.
>>
>
>I'm not entirely certain of your question, but, after leaning under the
>bench just now, the rear assembly of the vise seems very sturdy and
>secure. There is a casting secured to the frame rods, and some sort of
>threaded bushing for the screw.
Yeah, my terminology wasn't the best. If you take a look at the picture
in <http://www.neofill.com/ItemId/B0000223R4/image>, you can see how the
screw is captured against the two frame rails by a retaining plate. That
plate in back obscures the retaining mechanism for the screw. The screw
has a through-hole in back, through which a pin is inserted. That pin is
used to retain the screw against the back plate. There-in lies the rub (pun
intended); when turning the screw, the retaining pin rotates and rubs
against the retaining plate. I have only had my vise installed for the past
4 years and don't use the vise on a daily or even weekly basis, but the pin
has already worn the retaining plate such that the retaining plate has
disengaged itself on several occasions from the frame rods. When that
happens, the screw is unable disengage the vise (or tighten for that
matter). In addition to the obvious irritation of having to re-attach the
retaining plate, this repair is diabolical in that the retaining plate is
just waiting for the operator to get his fingers in just the right place
before re-engaging the frame rods such that some skin is captured between
the retaining plate and frame rods.
It seems as if either some kind of thrust bearing or threaded bushing
would be a much more robust retention mechanism, particularly for a part
that is *intended* to rotate.
>
>If you're really interested, the support folks at Garret Wade are
>usually able to answer questions pretty well. They have been selling
>this one for a while now...
>
>Patriarch,
>spending more time on carpentry than fine woodworking this week...
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