OT: Palin buys herself some eloquence.

On Jan 12, 1:42=A0pm, "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> spewed forth:
>
> > I HAVE a life, dude. I'd like to keep it for a while longer. Handing
> > Palin the keys is begging for a catastrophe. What the hell is it with
> > you people? So easily startstruck by a set of tits. "Oh yea, Sarah
> > will turn the US around!!"
> > I mean... she's totally doable, I get it, but to run the second most
> > powerful economy on earth?
>
> Why do so many people think she will or would run for president?

Because it's so blatantly obvious that she loves the attention and
craves the glory and power. She's one of those who believes that any
publicity is good publicity, and that she can sweet talk her way out
of anything. Come to think of it, that describes most politicians.

R

On Jan 12, 4:36=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> For those who seem to have an isolationist problem with my living on
> this side of the Canadian border, also have no clue that to me, that
> border never existed, with friends, a business, and my sister and her
> brood all living in the States.

Umm, okay, so what does that mean exactly? I have relatives in Italy
and Ireland, and I've paid (airport) taxes and VAT when I'm too lazy
to get it back, but I don't get to vote in their elections, I don't
tell them how to run their country and I don't tell them how stupid
they are for not blithely accepting my unsolicited advice.

BTW, it's not an isolationist problem, it's a guy on the wrong side of
the border with a big mouth problem.

> I know more about the USA geography, history and current day political
> structure than 95% of Americans. Fact, Jack.

Excellent example of the Dunning=96Kruger effect. Thanks.

R

On Jan 12, 1:41=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 4:26=A0pm, busbus <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 2:54=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 12, 2:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
> > > > > Sarah resonates with the American people, who are angy as hell wi=
th
> > > > > their too-big, too-spendthrift, unlistening, corrupt gov't right =
now
> > > > > and I don't think the people will be taking it for much longer.
>
> > > > -----------------------------
> > > > Describes 2000-2008, and yes it was ugly.
>
> > > > Lew
>
> > > How soon they forget.
> > > The administration of 2000-2008 created such a big problem that no
> > > matter what, the next administration couldn't fix it.
> > > The GOP didn't WANT this round, in fact they made sure by allowing as
> > > part of their ticket: tits without brains...just to make sure.
> > > Then they simply voted NO on everything. How sporting.
>
> > > That reminds of that baseball going through Mrs Green's window. When
> > > confronted, the batter said: "I don't even PLAY baseball." Talk about
> > > cowardice.
>
> > And the Democrats votes YES on everything?
>
> > Even if the Republicans all voted NO, why did Obama have such a hard
> > time passing legislation whenever he had overwhelming majorities in
> > both the House and the Senate?
>
> > But whenever the Democrats all vote NO, that is okay because, of
> > course, they are the thinkers and they embrace everything and
> > everybody except for those they disagree with.
>
> Did you just use the word 'thinkers' and 'democrats' in the same
> sentence? ( I know, you were being sarcastic.)

Hey, there's only one person with brains who is not totally corrupt in
the US senate & that's the junior senator from Vermont.

You state the TP should go, but you've not offered a better idea.

Tea or Third, the initials fit either way.

I'm not at all sure that I know what the Tea Party is for. I've heard
much of what they are against. And, I suspect, heard too much from
FAUX NUES to draw a fair conclusion about what the actual Tea Party
people support. But those I have spoken with in Florida and North
Carolina as well as most of those I've heard speak or read directly
"in the media" impress me as an "anti-" political movement as
evidenced by the first major "accomplishment" of the newly-installed
congress to pass the bill to repeal the "Job Killing" Health Care
Reform.

Such rhetoric may appeal to the masses, but it is unseemly for the
congress of a great nation. And, given that it has literally no chance
of becoming law, is literally a waste of time and effort - our time
and effort and the taxes we pay to support each of them at the rate of
$170,000/year plus some of the best benefits available in this
country.

Max wrote:
>
> The political dialog in this country has become more polarized and
> uncivil than it has been since the early days of the country's
> founding. Both parties are equally responsible.
> Let me pose a question to anyone who thinks the diatribes and
> epithets have had no effect on the populace:
> Who would the shooter in Tucson have targeted had the political
> dialog *NOT* been so volatile?
>

You are so very wrong. The political discourse in the current clime is
extremely tame compared to earlier in our history. Heck, at one point a
sitting Vice President and former Secretary of the Treasury fought a DUEL
(one of whom died as a result)!!

As to your final question, I don't know. There has yet to be any showing of
cause and effect between dialog and mass murder. Did a poisonous dialog
motivate Timothy McVeigh? Did spirited debate drive Nidal Hasan to kill 13
people? Were the 9/11 hijackers driven by outrageous political campaign
literature?

There ARE indications that the Tuscon shooter was fixated, and upset, by
poor grammer(!). Who's to say he didn't go over the edge by reading this
newsgroup?

Still, you are probably correct in that there are some who become
emotionally irrational where politics are concerned.

They should be, in my view, locked up in a padded room.

'Course the ACLU would never stand for that, so we have people wandering
around with a loose stopper ready to go off at anybody who tells them their
mother smells of elderberries.

On Jan 12, 9:29=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 11:04=A0am, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > =A0wrote:
> > > *WAKE* *UP* *AMERICA* *BEFORE* *IT* *IS* *TOO* *LATE* *TO* *STOP* - a=
nd
> > > tell your "tea party" idiots where to go.
>
> > You're obviously Barking up the Wrong Tree, I'm a Tea Party Organizer!
>
> Oh COOL! You guys pick out a uniform yet? Something in a nice brown?

And what kind of armband symbol? Real cool!

On Jan 12, 3:03=A0pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Jan 12, 2:07 pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> RicodJour wrote:
> >> > On Jan 12, 1:41 pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> Han wrote:
> >> >> > Rich <[email protected]> wrote in
>
> >> >> >> Thinks you watch to much =A0MSLSD. I don't support Palin as a Pr=
es.
> >> >> >> Candidate but I do believe she can and has played a large role i=
n
> >> >> >> changing direction of our Misguided Over Blotted Government. Thi=
nks
> >> >> >> that not much more damage could be done then has by the Communit=
y
> >> >> >> Organiser in the WH now.
>
> >> >> > Sorry, to me this is gobbledygook. =A0For one thing, I don't know=
what
> >> >> > MSLSD is. =A0Who is miguided over the blotted government? =A0what=
is a
> >> >> > blotted government?
> >> >> > Can anyone make complete, English sentences from this for me?
>
> >> >> MSLSD =3D MSNBC =A0 =A0 Who is the current politicians that don't l=
isten to
> >> >> the majority of the US citizens and will probably be tossed out on
> >> >> their butts in the next elections. Correction, Blotted =3D Bloated
> >> >> Oversize,fat, excessive gas.
> >> >> Fluid enough? Or should I say, clear enough?
>
> >> > I'm guessing you work in the computer industry. =A0You use your own
> >> > mental shorthand to communicate and leave other people saying,
> >> > WTF...? =A0Your _explanation_ of your first WTF post leaves me with =
a
> >> > WTF hangover.
>
> >> > I don't necessarily disagree with your viewpoint, just taking you to
> >> > task for using mental shorthand when communicating with people you'v=
e
> >> > never met. =A0It ends up being frustrating for everyone.
>
> >> > R
> >> > rec.woodworking Executive Officer, Linguistics and Communications
> >> > Division
>
> >> I'll take that as a joke. I do work with code and scrips and yes I do =
use
> >> the mental shorthand when on usenet. I'm retired but this is what I do=
in
> >> my spare time.http://rentmyhusband.biz/
>
> > Mental shorthand is a convenience and a tool for you. =A0When you use i=
t
> > with other people that don't know your shorthand, it's obfuscating and
> > makes you a tool. =A0Resist the temptation!
>
> Ok, I will try. Did you even look at the website?

No, sorry. I'm not looking to rent a man. I'll stick with rending
women. =3D:O

> >> This is my first WTF post and thought it was fairly clear:
> >> One NUT who wanted some attention. Then you have another NUT on MSNBC =
who
> >> blamed this on Sarah Palin, Sharon Angle, Bill OReilly, and others, no=
t
> >> to mention Conservative Hater Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law
> >> Center with his expected RANT! Can't wait to see all the new Bills pus=
hed
> >> through the Congress because of this tragedy.
>
> > You'll get no argument from me on any of that. =A0People, including
> > politicians, feel that _something_ has to be done, but as they're too
> > busy fencing with their dicks, they are misguided and create misguided
> > laws, comments, etc.
>
>
> This is one of the few times on here I responded in a Political way. But =
you
> can only stay quiet so long. Not happy with Washington for a long time an=
d
> this Administration has me pulling my hair out!

And this is not an effective place to get something done. Robatoy
does it because he's a bounder who has to cross a border to voice his
opinion on things that barely affect him, and on which he can have no
effect. If you are fed up with things, venting is not the way to
change things. That's just venting - pissing in the ocean. You
should either piss directly on someone's shoes, or help clean up the
piss. These are the only effective ways.

BTW, God and genetics probably has more than a little bit to do with
the loss of your hair - no need to blame it on politics. ;)

R

On Jan 12, 9:57=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 9:24=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 12, 9:17=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 12, 9:02=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 12, 8:43=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > BTW, it's not an isolationist problem, it's a guy on the wrong si=
de of
> > > > > the border with a big mouth problem.
>
> > > > And that is why I would like you to stay there.
>
> > > Let's see...Canada...Canada...yeah, here it is - 38th place on my lis=
t
> > > of places to emigrate to, so you're safe.
>
> > Shows that you know nothing about this country.
>
> I know more about it than 95% of Canadians.

I don't believe you.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
news:8bd9ab14-84bc-42f0-8743-d4bf3ec56c24@q18g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...

> Yup, Palin wrote this, uhuh....:

> “Like many, I’ve spent the past few days reflecting on what happened
> and praying for guidance. After this shocking tragedy, I listened at
> first puzzled, then with concern, and now with sadness, to the
> irresponsible statements from people attempting to apportion blame for
> this terrible event,” Palin said

> There is no way she wrote those words.....

Hey, just because when asked she couldn't name the newspapers she supposedly
reads, and needed to write the answer to a pre-arranged question on the palm
of her hand, and when not reading from a script sounds like a high school
cheerleader--"Awesome!"--doesn't mean she didn't write that. Okay, it's
*extremely* unlikely she wrote it, like 99.99999% unlikely. Pretty much
completely certain, really. But she might have suggested a word or two.
Could have happened.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I prefer Famous Grouse myself.

Their 12-year-old is pretty good. However I do like something a bit more
off the beaten path from time to time, like Talisker.

On Jan 12, 3:13=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 3:03=A0pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > RicodJour wrote:
> > > On Jan 12, 2:07 pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> RicodJour wrote:
> > >> > On Jan 12, 1:41 pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> >> Han wrote:
> > >> >> > Rich <[email protected]> wrote in
>
> > >> >> >> Thinks you watch to much =A0MSLSD. I don't support Palin as a =
Pres.
> > >> >> >> Candidate but I do believe she can and has played a large role=
in
> > >> >> >> changing direction of our Misguided Over Blotted Government. T=
hinks
> > >> >> >> that not much more damage could be done then has by the Commun=
ity
> > >> >> >> Organiser in the WH now.
>
> > >> >> > Sorry, to me this is gobbledygook. =A0For one thing, I don't kn=
ow what
> > >> >> > MSLSD is. =A0Who is miguided over the blotted government? =A0wh=
at is a
> > >> >> > blotted government?
> > >> >> > Can anyone make complete, English sentences from this for me?
>
> > >> >> MSLSD =3D MSNBC =A0 =A0 Who is the current politicians that don't=
listen to
> > >> >> the majority of the US citizens and will probably be tossed out o=
n
> > >> >> their butts in the next elections. Correction, Blotted =3D Bloate=
d
> > >> >> Oversize,fat, excessive gas.
> > >> >> Fluid enough? Or should I say, clear enough?
>
> > >> > I'm guessing you work in the computer industry. =A0You use your ow=
n
> > >> > mental shorthand to communicate and leave other people saying,
> > >> > WTF...? =A0Your _explanation_ of your first WTF post leaves me wit=
h a
> > >> > WTF hangover.
>
> > >> > I don't necessarily disagree with your viewpoint, just taking you =
to
> > >> > task for using mental shorthand when communicating with people you=
've
> > >> > never met. =A0It ends up being frustrating for everyone.
>
> > >> > R
> > >> > rec.woodworking Executive Officer, Linguistics and Communications
> > >> > Division
>
> > >> I'll take that as a joke. I do work with code and scrips and yes I d=
o use
> > >> the mental shorthand when on usenet. I'm retired but this is what I =
do in
> > >> my spare time.http://rentmyhusband.biz/
>
> > > Mental shorthand is a convenience and a tool for you. =A0When you use=
it
> > > with other people that don't know your shorthand, it's obfuscating an=
d
> > > makes you a tool. =A0Resist the temptation!
>
> > Ok, I will try. Did you even look at the website?
>
> No, sorry. =A0I'm not looking to rent a man. =A0I'll stick with rending
> women. =A0=3D:O
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> This is my first WTF post and thought it was fairly clear:
> > >> One NUT who wanted some attention. Then you have another NUT on MSNB=
C who
> > >> blamed this on Sarah Palin, Sharon Angle, Bill OReilly, and others, =
not
> > >> to mention Conservative Hater Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law
> > >> Center with his expected RANT! Can't wait to see all the new Bills p=
ushed
> > >> through the Congress because of this tragedy.
>
> > > You'll get no argument from me on any of that. =A0People, including
> > > politicians, feel that _something_ has to be done, but as they're too
> > > busy fencing with their dicks, they are misguided and create misguide=
d
> > > laws, comments, etc.
>
> > This is one of the few times on here I responded in a Political way. Bu=
t you
> > can only stay quiet so long. Not happy with Washington for a long time =
and
> > this Administration has me pulling my hair out!
>
> And this is not an effective place to get something done. =A0Robatoy
> does it because he's a bounder who has to cross a border to voice his
> opinion on things that barely affect him, and on which he can have no
> effect. =A0
>
> R

Robatoy pays taxes in the US.

What you're saying is that your antics, thumb on nuclear button,
doesn't affect me in Canada?
The US of A, once the only SuperPower, is starting to open its eyes
and realizing that it is over? Done? No Mo, bro'?
Now THAT's a nice stable neighbour. One with 270 million guns and hurt
feelings.

A 45 minute drive from my house shows, in no uncertain terms, what you
guys have done with the place. Rust and ruin. Meth and crack
everywhere. Even the cops have thrown in the towel. "fukkit" they say.
Every man for himself.

And now you silly people want to hand The Button over to a
opportunistic douche who has NOTHING to offer but her tits.

If a drug dealer moved in next door to you, would that bother you?

On Jan 12, 2:14=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:40:57 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jan 12, 1:17=A0pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> On 1/12/2011 12:11 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> >> > The Huck! Bring on The Huck! I like Huck.
>
> >> So do I. =A0He's a likable guy.
>
> >> --
> >> Free bad advice available here.
> >> To reply, eat the taco.http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
>
> >I like his stance on being confronted with issues he's not familiar
> >with: "I will find those who have more knowledge than I and I will
> >take a close look at the options."
>
> OK, that's good.
>
> >And he plays bass.
> >And has a sense of humour.
> >And his Christian ethic seems well managed.
>
> You probably think of Revs Wright and Jackson as well managed in
> Christian ethics, too, dontcha? =A0<thud>

*****BUZZZER*******

ASSume much?

Wrong. I don't. Those two are a example of what can be wrong with
organized religion.

On Jan 13, 12:39=A0am, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 2:30=A0pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > >And now you silly people want to hand The Button over to a
> > >opportunistic douche who has NOTHING to offer but her tits.

Three guys are talking about what part of a woman they like to look at
the most.
The first guy says, "I like to see her boobs."
The second buy says, "I like to see her butt."
The third guy says, "I like to see the top of her head."

> > Rob,
> > I think you're shortchanging Palin.
> > Her legs are nice too.
>
> No they're not.
>
> http://thedailyfix.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sarah-palin-12169-5...

Aging beauty queens and aging high school wrestlers often don't keep
their exercise regimens going. Maybe they were lucky when they were
younger and didn't need to work at it, but that woman needs to run
some more, and I'm not talking about for office.

R

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:42:18 -0600, "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In news:b3aa10b9-b82f-4aa2-89a7-cd4c91a0d0c4@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com,
>Robatoy <[email protected]> spewed forth:
>> On Jan 12, 11:26 am, "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:8bd9ab14-84bc-42f0-8743-d4bf3ec56c24@q18g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>>> Yup, Palin wrote this, uhuh....:
>>>
>>> “Like many, I’ve spent the past few days reflecting on what happened
>>> and praying for guidance. After this shocking tragedy, I listened at
>>> first puzzled, then with concern, and now with sadness, to the
>>> irresponsible statements from people attempting to apportion blame
>>> for this terrible event,” Palin said
>>>
>>> There is no way she wrote those words.....
>>>
>>> Get a life, dude.
>>
>> I HAVE a life, dude. I'd like to keep it for a while longer. Handing
>> Palin the keys is begging for a catastrophe. What the hell is it with
>> you people? So easily startstruck by a set of tits. "Oh yea, Sarah
>> will turn the US around!!"
>> I mean... she's totally doable, I get it, but to run the second most
>> powerful economy on earth?
>
>Why do so many people think she will or would run for president?
>And what does her statement about the tragedy in AZ have do with anything
>other than what she said?
>I'm no Palin fan, but for the life of me I don't understand why she is
>attacked so much.
>She's an American citizen and has as much right to voice her opinions as any
>other person does.

Sarah resonates with the American people, who are angy as hell with
their too-big, too-spendthrift, unlistening, corrupt gov't right now
and I don't think the people will be taking it for much longer.
Critical mass is building up quickly, whether the govvies want to see
it or not. Giffords was shot by a crazy shooter. Think what would
happen if a actual -thinking- shooter got started. Have you read
_Unintended Consequences_ by John Ross? Something like that could
happen. <shrug>


>Ya'll take what the media puts out way to seriously.

Indeed. Some people actually believe that crap, too. <sigh>

--
The United States of America is the greatest, the
noblest and, in its original founding principles,
the only moral country in the history of the world.
-- Ayn Rand

On Jan 12, 11:02=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 10:22=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 9:57=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 12, 9:24=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 12, 9:17=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 12, 9:02=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jan 12, 8:43=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrot=
e:
>
> > > > > > > BTW, it's not an isolationist problem, it's a guy on the wron=
g side of
> > > > > > > the border with a big mouth problem.
>
> > > > > > And that is why I would like you to stay there.
>
> > > > > Let's see...Canada...Canada...yeah, here it is - 38th place on my=
list
> > > > > of places to emigrate to, so you're safe.
>
> > > > Shows that you know nothing about this country.
>
> > > I know more about it than 95% of Canadians.
>
> > I don't believe you.
>
> I was giving you a facetious example of the Dunning=96Kruger effect to
> illustrate how people overestimate their "above average" standing in a
> particular area - so you'll know when you do it again.
>
> BTW, on another newsgroup we've got a Canadian guy who has nothing
> good to say about Canada. =A0He says the police are corrupt, there are
> druggies everywhere, etc., etc. =A0Takes all types, eh?
>
> R

Quite a contrast to the fact that there are NO disgruntled Americans.

On Jan 12, 12:38=A0pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Jan 12, 11:04 am, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> > *WAKE* *UP* *AMERICA* *BEFORE* *IT* *IS* *TOO* *LATE* *TO* *STOP* - =
and
> >> > tell your "tea party" idiots where to go.
>
> >> You're obviously Barking up the Wrong Tree, I'm a Tea Party Organizer!
>
> > Oh COOL! You guys pick out a uniform yet? Something in a nice brown?
>
> Thinks you watch to much =A0MSLSD. I don't support Palin as a Pres. Candi=
date
> but I do believe she can and has played a large role in changing directio=
n
> of our Misguided Over Blotted Government. Thinks that not much more damag=
e
> could be done then has by the Community Organiser in the WH now.
>
Oh.

Difference between a Tea Party- and a Community organizer is what?

On Jan 13, 5:30=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Jan 12, 9:48=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > .... and here I thought I was behaving quite well, considering what I
> > have to put up with.......<G>
>
> Pretty good.
>
> I always watch with some amusement as you bait the hook with just the
> right amount of smelly bait, and make an easy cast to the right
> place. =A0The bobber settles, the hook and bait go to exactly the right
> place in the water.
>
> Do you catch fish though? =A0HELL NO!
>
> After years of doing this they now just jump in the damn boat!
>
> I have to ask, though. =A0Don't you get tired of catching the same fish
> every trip?
>
> *chuckle*
>
> Robert

Sometimes I go fishing for some quality fish. IOW, I do like to find
out what the smarter (the 3 of you<G>) bunch thinks about certain
issues.
But, as in real life, sometimes you hope for a quality pickerel/
walleye but what nails your bait is a bottom feeding sucker. And
because they are so smelly, they stink up the whole boat for a while.
THEY think they're real fish too: "Look Gertrude, I got fins and
everything!!"

Yea, sometimes I fish for fun... but not always. Sometimes I have some
time to kill while my cnc is running. Sometimes I actually care what
people have to say. This thread wasn't one of them. <EG>

Now back to our regular programming.

On Jan 12, 9:24=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 9:17=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 12, 9:02=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 12, 8:43=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > BTW, it's not an isolationist problem, it's a guy on the wrong side=
of
> > > > the border with a big mouth problem.
>
> > > And that is why I would like you to stay there.
>
> > Let's see...Canada...Canada...yeah, here it is - 38th place on my list
> > of places to emigrate to, so you're safe.
>
> Shows that you know nothing about this country.

I know more about it than 95% of Canadians.

> Which country is # 37?

Slovenia. It moved up recently and edged out Croatia. And since you
didn't ask, number 1 on the list is Chile.

R

On Jan 13, 9:59=A0am, busbus <[email protected]> wrote:

=A0<Again, I am sure I will get blasted for that statement.>

I think you give yourself far too much credit ;-)

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote

> Surely that many of you can't be that fucking stupid ... SHAME on ALL you
> sickos, on both sides.

My union went on strike a few years ago. They wanted us to go back with
little gain. The union voted and accepted the contract. I felt for weeks
that the ballot boxes had been stuffed.

Then I went back on the job and talked to a lot of people about how they
voted.

Yes, there were that many fucking stupid people.

I retired less than a year later.

Steve

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:28:52 -0000, "Disbelief"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Rich wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>> Yup, Palin wrote this, uhuh....:
>>>
>>> "Like many, I've spent the past few days reflecting on what happened
>>> and praying for guidance. After this shocking tragedy, I listened at
>>> first puzzled, then with concern, and now with sadness, to the
>>> irresponsible statements from people attempting to apportion blame
>>> for this terrible event," Palin said
>>>
>>> There is no way she wrote those words.....
>>
>> No Obama did
>
>Rich
>
>The typical biggoted American answer - Palin and her ilk are nothing but
>rabble rousers who could be likened to a leader of a certain political party
>in Europe between 1921 and 1945 who caused fear, death and misery for
>millions - yet seldom got his hands dirty himself.
>
>America, a once proud land, is rapidly going down the dictatorship route
>unless its more sensible citizens take the lead and stop the rot.
>
>*WAKE* *UP* *AMERICA* *BEFORE* *IT* *IS* *TOO* *LATE* *TO* *STOP* - and tell
>your "tea party" idiots where to go.

Man, you guys are really & truly scared of her, aren't you? <titter>


Since you changed your email address and got through my filters again,
I'll have to replonk you.

Buh bye, again!


P.S: Carry on, Sarah and fellow TeaPartiers! We're still making
headway.

P.P.S: IICY?

--
The United States of America is the greatest, the
noblest and, in its original founding principles,
the only moral country in the history of the world.
-- Ayn Rand

On Jan 12, 11:08=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Praise the Lord and Vote for Huck? =A0Pass.
> He's a radical fringe JesusFreakist.

Hey Larry, we agree on something. ;-)

Luigi

On Jan 12, 7:43=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yup, Palin wrote this, uhuh....:
>
> =93Like many, I=92ve spent the past few days reflecting on what happened
> and praying for guidance. After this shocking tragedy, I listened at
> first puzzled, then with concern, and now with sadness, to the
> irresponsible statements from people attempting to apportion blame for
> this terrible event,=94 Palin said
>
> There is no way she wrote those words.....

Speaking of irresponsible statements, how about the illustration on
her web site that put cross-hairs on several politicians and referred
to them as "targets".

One of them got shot this weekend.

I am not liberal but that was irresponsible in this political
environment.

RonB

On Jan 13, 6:54=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 5:30=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 9:48=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > .... and here I thought I was behaving quite well, considering what I
> > > have to put up with.......<G>
>
> > Pretty good.
>
> > I always watch with some amusement as you bait the hook with just the
> > right amount of smelly bait, and make an easy cast to the right
> > place. =A0The bobber settles, the hook and bait go to exactly the right
> > place in the water.
>
> > Do you catch fish though? =A0HELL NO!
>
> > After years of doing this they now just jump in the damn boat!
>
> > I have to ask, though. =A0Don't you get tired of catching the same fish
> > every trip?
>
> > *chuckle*
>
> > Robert
>
> BTW... when something like this comes across my desk, I have to ask:
> "You okay down there??"
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6yu58pl

Yabbut, it's a lot more dangerous than a Glock with a high capacity
magazine: the Kinder egg might actually kill children. Sheesh, don't
you get it!

On Jan 12, 7:21=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> As the initiation of this thread indicates, far be it above Rob to stir
> a bit o' shit now and again (for amusement purposes only, of course) ...
> can't say as I blame him either.

Ok... busted.
>
> After watching a cnc do all the work you need something to chase away
> the boredom. <g, d & r>
>
OK.... busted....LOL

On Jan 12, 8:43=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yup, Palin wrote this, uhuh....:
>
> =93Like many, I=92ve spent the past few days reflecting on what happened
> and praying for guidance. After this shocking tragedy, I listened at
> first puzzled, then with concern, and now with sadness, to the
> irresponsible statements from people attempting to apportion blame for
> this terrible event,=94 Palin said
>
> There is no way she wrote those words.....

Not sure where you got that from, but it's obviously edited. Note the
absence of "umms' and "you betchyas".

R

On Jan 12, 2:30=A0pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >And now you silly people want to hand The Button over to a
> >opportunistic douche who has NOTHING to offer but her tits.
>
> Rob,
> I think you're shortchanging Palin.
> Her legs are nice too.

No they're not.

http://thedailyfix.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sarah-palin-12169-5.jpg

"RicodJour" wrote:
> I don't necessarily disagree with your viewpoint, just taking you to
task for using mental shorthand when communicating with people you've
never met. It ends up being frustrating for everyone.
-----------------------------------
Translation:

Plain fucking lazy.

Lew

On 01/12/2011 10:55 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Jan 12, 12:38 pm, Rich<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Jan 12, 11:04 am, Rich<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> *WAKE* *UP* *AMERICA* *BEFORE* *IT* *IS* *TOO* *LATE* *TO* *STOP* - and
>>>>> tell your "tea party" idiots where to go.
>>
>>>> You're obviously Barking up the Wrong Tree, I'm a Tea Party Organizer!
>>
>>> Oh COOL! You guys pick out a uniform yet? Something in a nice brown?
>>
>> Thinks you watch to much MSLSD. I don't support Palin as a Pres. Candidate
>> but I do believe she can and has played a large role in changing direction
>> of our Misguided Over Blotted Government. Thinks that not much more damage
>> could be done then has by the Community Organiser in the WH now.
>>
> Oh.
>
> Difference between a Tea Party- and a Community organizer is what?
>
Tea Party Tenets:
-Fiscal responsibility
-Constitutionally limited government
-Free Markets
-Personal responsibility

Community Organizer Tenets:
-The community is a potential power base
-community issues are a result of lack of power
-creating conflict over issues can gain power

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
> Sarah resonates with the American people, who are angy as hell with
> their too-big, too-spendthrift, unlistening, corrupt gov't right now
> and I don't think the people will be taking it for much longer.
-----------------------------
Describes 2000-2008, and yes it was ugly.


Lew

"Robatoy" wrote:

> Oh COOL! You guys pick out a uniform yet? Something in a nice brown?
----------------------------------
"Whitey" is running scared.

In less than 40 years, "Whitey" will no longer be in the majority in
the USA and the venom of hatred is being used to fuel the flames of
"Whitey's" uncertainty.

The reference above to brown shirts should serve as a wake up call
least we repeat a very dark part of human history.

Lew

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote

>And now you silly people want to hand The Button over to a
>opportunistic douche who has NOTHING to offer but her tits.

Rob,
I think you're shortchanging Palin.
Her legs are nice too.

Max

"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote

> RonB wrote:

>> Speaking of irresponsible statements, how about the illustration on
>> her web site that put cross-hairs on several politicians and referred
>> to them as "targets".
>>
>> One of them got shot this weekend.
>>
>> I am not liberal but that was irresponsible in this political
>> environment.
>>
>> RonB
> Let see, common terms used by both parties. Battleground,campaign,many
> more.
> And yes the Democrats have used the same map on their campaigns,oh there's
> that word again. And who was that Dem that actually shot at the Cap and
> Trade bill with a 30 30 and hit it dead center. This argument is
> ridiculous!
> --

The political dialog in this country has become more polarized and uncivil
than it has been since the early days of the country's founding.
Both parties are equally responsible.
Let me pose a question to anyone who thinks the diatribes and epithets have
had no effect on the populace:
Who would the shooter in Tucson have targeted had the political dialog *NOT*
been so volatile?

Max

"Max" wrote:

>>And now you silly people want to hand The Button over to a
>>opportunistic douche who has NOTHING to offer but her tits.
>
> Rob,
> I think you're shortchanging Palin.
> Her legs are nice too.
-------------------------------
And then she opens her mouth and removes all doubt.

Lew

"ChairMan" wrote:


> You forget that those cities just across the border have been run by
> democrats for decades.
> Coincidence..I think not
> Again, I ask, why do so many people think she will or would run for
> president?
-----------------------------------
"Whitey" bailed out on Detroit as a result of the 1966 riots.

The very events that triggered the riots in the first place were only
exacerbated after the riots.

The business community, largely white, fled to the suburbs and left
Detroit to rot.

It had nothing to do with politics, it had everything to do with race
and money.

If you travel the country, you will find that no one from metro
Detroit will admit it, rather they will identify some Detroit suburb
as home city.

Today, Detroit has less than half the buildings it had in the 1960s,
and nothing has been solved.

As a country, we have lost a great city.

As far as Palin is concerned, ".. and this to shall pass."

Lew

"busbus" wrote:

> Describes 2000-2008, and yes it was ugly.
----------------------------

> It doesn't describe what happened after 2008? Or prior to 2000?

What has happened since 2008 IYO.
-------------------------------
We are still paying the bills for the absolute rape of the middle
class by Reagan.

Bush was not the best president we ever had but there is no way one
individual and his cabinet are to blame for absolutely everything that
is wrong with the United States.
------------------------------------
Why not?

They are the ones charged with running the country.

They managed to funnel funds to their friends/contributors and screw
the rest of the country in spades.
----------------------------------

>The problems did not start with that administration--they started a
long, long time ago.
--------------------------------
Try Reagan.
------------------------------

I believe we have a generation of mostly
narcissistic people out there who are getting of the age of bringing
up the next generation of narcissistic people.
-----------------------------------
Oh rubbish, spare me the party line.

Today's youth will do just fine, given a chance.

Given the complexity of today's society, they have a challenge, but
then so did we, at least my generation did.

Mine was the generation that was given the A-bomb, the H-bomb, and the
Cold War.

My generation was also going to go to the devil, led by Elvis, but
somehow we survived and so will my grand kids.

Lew

"HeyBub" <> wrote
> Max wrote:
>>
>> The political dialog in this country has become more polarized and
>> uncivil than it has been since the early days of the country's
>> founding. Both parties are equally responsible.
>> Let me pose a question to anyone who thinks the diatribes and
>> epithets have had no effect on the populace:
>> Who would the shooter in Tucson have targeted had the political
>> dialog *NOT* been so volatile?
>>
>
> You are so very wrong. The political discourse in the current clime is
> extremely tame compared to earlier in our history. Heck, at one point a
> sitting Vice President and former Secretary of the Treasury fought a DUEL
> (one of whom died as a result)!!
>
Then there was the little matter of the civil war. Nothing civil about
that.

"Lee Michaels" wrote:

> Then there was the little matter of the civil war. Nothing civil
> about that.

------------------------
Good grief it is still being fought.

Lew

Somebody wrote:

>>> 180 degrees? Tea Partiers are working FOR the people in the
>>> community, without regard to race or color.
-------------------------------
Charley Self wrote:

>>Where?
---------------------------------

"Larry Jaques" wrote:

> Why, here in the USA, sir.
-----------------------------
Typical response from someone who is blind in one eye and can't see
out of the other one.

Lew

On 1/12/2011 4:07 PM, Steve B wrote:
> "Swingman"<[email protected]> wrote
>
>> Surely that many of you can't be that fucking stupid ... SHAME on ALL you
>> sickos, on both sides.
>
> My union went on strike a few years ago. They wanted us to go back with
> little gain. The union voted and accepted the contract. I felt for weeks
> that the ballot boxes had been stuffed.
>
> Then I went back on the job and talked to a lot of people about how they
> voted.
>
> Yes, there were that many fucking stupid people.
>
> I retired less than a year later.
>
> Steve
>
I don't know your specifics. However, NLRB rules prohibit management
(that is, the company)from telling the labor rank and file (that is,
their workers) what is often the truth, which is that if management gave
labor what the union bigwigs demanded, it could make the company
non-competitive, even put the company out of business.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:36:44 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>he whole Arizona issue seems to be working as a catalyst for those
>who are tripping all over each other coming to Palin's defence. No way
>did Palin put those cross-hairs on the map with the intent for someone
>to attempt assassination.
>For a (any) news organization to make hay out of this is despicable as
>are those who are making hay out of trying to legitimizing Palins
>carelessness.
>It is a clusterfuck, my friend.
>
>For those who seem to have an isolationist problem with my living on
>this side of the Canadian border, also have no clue that to me, that
>border never existed, with friends, a business, and my sister and her
>brood all living in the States.
>I know more about the USA geography, history and current day political
>structure than 95% of Americans. Fact, Jack.
>
>How willing are the Americans to meddle in shit that isn't any of
>their business, but holy hell, if somebody say anything about their
>problems, look out.
>Business as usual, I say.

The business of politics though is to put your opposition in as bad a
light as possible though. Whether you lie, cheat, or steal to do that
does not matter. It goes way back and is not likely to change. Sucks
but that is it.

Of course getting caught with dirt on your hands after throwing it can
be problematic.

Mark

"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> The Libertarian view - to which I do not necessarily subscribe - is that
> there should be no interference between a willing buyer and a willing
> seller and that the sanctity of contract should be enforced.

> This means that the government's role is to provide a legal system to
> enforce contracts and sanction violators, not to "regulate" the
> transaction.

Alan Greenspan believed for most of his adult life that the less govt.
regulation, the better. He thought that even in cases of outright fraud the
govt. should not get involved, that the market was self-correcting,
self-regulating, and self-policing. After the recent unpleasantness in the
market, a shattered-looking Greenspan admitted to Congress that his lifelong
belief that the market was self-correcting etc. had turned out to have some
serious flaws.

Among other things, it is absurd to imagine that individual citizens can do
legal battle with giant corporations on anything like a level field. To
address that problem We The People direct the govt. we elect to regulate
many business dealings and take action against such companies when
necessary, just to make it fair. If you don’t like that approach, I hear
Somalia has done a good job of getting govt. off the back of business, you
should consider moving there.

On Jan 12, 10:22=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 9:57=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 9:24=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 12, 9:17=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 12, 9:02=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 12, 8:43=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > BTW, it's not an isolationist problem, it's a guy on the wrong =
side of
> > > > > > the border with a big mouth problem.
>
> > > > > And that is why I would like you to stay there.
>
> > > > Let's see...Canada...Canada...yeah, here it is - 38th place on my l=
ist
> > > > of places to emigrate to, so you're safe.
>
> > > Shows that you know nothing about this country.
>
> > I know more about it than 95% of Canadians.
>
> I don't believe you.

I was giving you a facetious example of the Dunning=96Kruger effect to
illustrate how people overestimate their "above average" standing in a
particular area - so you'll know when you do it again.

BTW, on another newsgroup we've got a Canadian guy who has nothing
good to say about Canada. He says the police are corrupt, there are
druggies everywhere, etc., etc. Takes all types, eh?

R

On Jan 22, 5:02=A0pm, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> DGDevin wrote:
> > "Rich" =A0wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Nice try. Could write a book on it. Tea Party=3D less government,less
> >> spending, less taxes. Community Organizer =3D big government, more
> >> spending, more taxes.
>
> > Tea Party =3D Pissed Off. =A0They're not exactly sure just why, or at
> > who, but they know they're not happy with something and/or somebody. An=
d
> > just wait 'til they find out some of their leaders want to do
> > away with Medicare and Social Security--"What, MY Medicare and Social
> > Security?!?!"
>
> Oh, there's always some crackpot who wants to do away with Social Securit=
y,
> Gitmo, guns, or apple pie. They are way noisier than successful. Most
> everybody ignores them.
>
> > They should be pissed off, everyone should be, but it would be nice
> > if they put a little effort into figuring out who they should be
> > upset with. =A0The billionaire Republicans who have bankrolled the Tea
> > Party must be laughing themselves silly.
>
> Uh, if you mean by "billionaire" George Soros, et al, they are bankrollin=
g
> the mainstream Democrats.
>
> So far as I can find, nobody is bankrolling the Tea Party. Or, they could=
be
> so successful at keeping it a secret, that it just hasn't come out yet.

It would actually be pretty clever for Soros to fund and support the
TeaParty. Nothing like divide and conquer. Make the fundies fight
amongst themselves... the extremists like Phelps et al. vs the more
rational republicans. It doesn't matter, it seems, _how_ you
neutralize a vote, as long as it gives you (Soros' bunch) an advantage.

On Jan 12, 11:12=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 11:02=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > BTW, on another newsgroup we've got a Canadian guy who has nothing
> > good to say about Canada. =A0He says the police are corrupt, there are
> > druggies everywhere, etc., etc. =A0Takes all types, eh?
>
>
> Quite a contrast to the fact that there are NO disgruntled Americans.

And how many of them populate Canadian forums and spout off about
things Canadian? Before you say that Usenet is international and not
American, let's have a show of hands - how many Canadians out there?
Okay, and how many Americans? I see we have a few Brits. But the
fact of the matter is that rec.ww is primarily an American forum.

Tell you what - put your sister on. I already know your opinion on
how much this country sucks, but she is raising her family here and I
would like to know if she shares your opinion.

R

On Jan 12, 2:07=A0pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Jan 12, 1:41 pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Han wrote:
> >> > Rich <[email protected]> wrote in
>
> >> >> Thinks you watch to much =A0MSLSD. I don't support Palin as a Pres.
> >> >> Candidate but I do believe she can and has played a large role in
> >> >> changing direction of our Misguided Over Blotted Government. Thinks
> >> >> that not much more damage could be done then has by the Community
> >> >> Organiser in the WH now.
>
> >> > Sorry, to me this is gobbledygook. =A0For one thing, I don't know wh=
at
> >> > MSLSD is. =A0Who is miguided over the blotted government? =A0what is=
a
> >> > blotted government?
> >> > Can anyone make complete, English sentences from this for me?
>
> >> MSLSD =3D MSNBC =A0 =A0 Who is the current politicians that don't list=
en to the
> >> majority of the US citizens and will probably be tossed out on their
> >> butts in the next elections. Correction, Blotted =3D Bloated Oversize,=
fat,
> >> excessive gas.
> >> Fluid enough? Or should I say, clear enough?
>
> > I'm guessing you work in the computer industry. =A0You use your own
> > mental shorthand to communicate and leave other people saying,
> > WTF...? =A0Your _explanation_ of your first WTF post leaves me with a
> > WTF hangover.
>
> > I don't necessarily disagree with your viewpoint, just taking you to
> > task for using mental shorthand when communicating with people you've
> > never met. =A0It ends up being frustrating for everyone.
>
> > R
> > rec.woodworking Executive Officer, Linguistics and Communications
> > Division
>
> I'll take that as a joke. I do work with code and scrips and yes I do use
> the mental shorthand when on usenet. I'm retired but this is what I do in=
my
> spare time.http://rentmyhusband.biz/

Mental shorthand is a convenience and a tool for you. When you use it
with other people that don't know your shorthand, it's obfuscating and
makes you a tool. Resist the temptation!

> This is my first WTF post and thought it was fairly clear:
> One NUT who wanted some attention. Then you have another NUT on MSNBC who
> blamed this on Sarah Palin, Sharon Angle, Bill OReilly, and others, not t=
o
> mention Conservative Hater Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center
> with his expected RANT! Can't wait to see all the new Bills pushed throug=
h
> the Congress because of this tragedy.

You'll get no argument from me on any of that. People, including
politicians, feel that _something_ has to be done, but as they're too
busy fencing with their dicks, they are misguided and create misguided
laws, comments, etc.

R

On Jan 12, 8:43=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't
> tell them how to run their country and I don't tell them how stupid
> they are for not blithely accepting my unsolicited advice.

I don't either. I merely share my observations.
Where did I tell you how to run your country?

On Jan 12, 9:35=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 8:43=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I don't
> > tell them how to run their country and I don't tell them how stupid
> > they are for not blithely accepting my unsolicited advice.
>
> I don't either. I merely share my observations.
> Where did I tell you how to run your country?

A d-wad husband that constantly criticizes his wife's cooking can at
least use the excuse that he's married to her.

Please tell me where you said something positive about this country.
If you posted it I must've missed it. Link?

R

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:40:57 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jan 12, 1:17 pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On 1/12/2011 12:11 PM, Robatoy wrote:

>> > The Huck! Bring on The Huck! I like Huck.
>>
>> So do I.  He's a likable guy.
>>
>> --
>> Free bad advice available here.
>> To reply, eat the taco.http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
>
>I like his stance on being confronted with issues he's not familiar
>with: "I will find those who have more knowledge than I and I will
>take a close look at the options."

OK, that's good.


>And he plays bass.
>And has a sense of humour.
>And his Christian ethic seems well managed.

You probably think of Revs Wright and Jackson as well managed in
Christian ethics, too, dontcha? <thud>

--
The United States of America is the greatest, the
noblest and, in its original founding principles,
the only moral country in the history of the world.
-- Ayn Rand

On Jan 12, 2:05=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:55:10 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jan 12, 12:38=A0pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
> >> > On Jan 12, 11:04 am, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > *WAKE* *UP* *AMERICA* *BEFORE* *IT* *IS* *TOO* *LATE* *TO* *STOP*=
- and
> >> >> > tell your "tea party" idiots where to go.
>
> >> >> You're obviously Barking up the Wrong Tree, I'm a Tea Party Organiz=
er!
>
> >> > Oh COOL! You guys pick out a uniform yet? Something in a nice brown?
>
> >> Thinks you watch to much =A0MSLSD. I don't support Palin as a Pres. Ca=
ndidate
> >> but I do believe she can and has played a large role in changing direc=
tion
> >> of our Misguided Over Blotted Government. Thinks that not much more da=
mage
> >> could be done then has by the Community Organiser in the WH now.
>
> >Oh.
>
> >Difference between a Tea Party- and a Community organizer is what?
>
> 180 degrees? =A0Tea Partiers are working FOR the people in the
> community, without regard to race or color.
>


Where?

On Jan 12, 11:48=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:28:52 -0000, "Disbelief"
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Rich wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
>
> >>> Yup, Palin wrote this, uhuh....:
>
> >>> "Like many, I've spent the past few days reflecting on what happened
> >>> and praying for guidance. After this shocking tragedy, I listened at
> >>> first puzzled, then with concern, and now with sadness, to the
> >>> irresponsible statements from people attempting to apportion blame
> >>> for this terrible event," Palin said
>
> >>> There is no way she wrote those words.....
>
> >> No Obama did
>
> >Rich
>
> >The typical biggoted American answer - Palin and her ilk are nothing but
> >rabble rousers who could be likened to a leader of a certain political p=
arty
> >in Europe between 1921 and 1945 who caused fear, death and misery for
> >millions - yet seldom got his hands dirty himself.
>
> >America, a once proud land, is rapidly going down the dictatorship route
> >unless its more sensible citizens take the lead and stop the rot.
>
> >*WAKE* *UP* *AMERICA* *BEFORE* *IT* *IS* *TOO* *LATE* *TO* *STOP* - and =
tell
> >your "tea party" idiots where to go.
>
> Man, you guys are really & truly scared of her, aren't you? =A0<titter>
>
> Since you changed your email address and got through my filters again,
> I'll have to replonk you.
>
> Buh bye, again!
>
> P.S: Carry on, Sarah and fellow TeaPartiers! We're still making
> headway.
>


Et tu, C-Less?

Really? You'd give the keys to your nuclear arsenal to that woman?

Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> Typical response from someone who is blind in one eye and can't see
>> out of the other one.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>
> Didn't Obama ask you to lighten up on the Vitriol?

Inasmuch as you capitalized "Vitriol," I assume it's a product you can buy
over the counter? Or do you need a prescription? Maybe it's home-made?

Wherever, perhaps both sides are drinking something (Kool-Aid or Vitriol).

I prefer Famous Grouse myself.

"Han" wrote in message news:[email protected]...


>> Tea Party Tenets:
>> -Fiscal responsibility
>> -Constitutionally limited government
>> -Free Markets
>> -Personal responsibility
>
>> Community Organizer Tenets:
>> -The community is a potential power base
>> -community issues are a result of lack of power
>> -creating conflict over issues can gain power

> That would make me a TeaPartier.

Me too, if that was really what they stood for Unfortunately the Tea Party
legislators recently arrived in Washington are going to discover the party
they actually belong to never met a corporate lobbyist it didn't like, and
what's good for mom & pop hardware store owners in middle America is so far
down the list that it is invisible. Remember, the Republican version of
health care reform half a decade ago was to pass an unfunded
deficit-increasing prescription drug bill that prohibited Medicare from
negotiating lower drug prices with the pharmaceutical companies the way the
VA does. It's brilliant how the Republican Party is able to persuade
millions of Americans it is the party of family values etc. while in
practice its real constituency is corporate America.

> However, I am also for Responsible
> regulation of corporations, communities, taxes.

Exactly, as Wall St. demonstrated recently, there has to be a cop on the
beat. I believe in free enterprise, but that doesn't mean corporations
operating without regulation at all as that is a formula for disaster.

On Jan 12, 1:17=A0pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 1/12/2011 12:11 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > On Jan 12, 1:08 pm, Larry Jaques<[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> I like Sarah in her role as a motivational leader. She's doing quite
> >> wonderfully, if you haven't noticed with your unleashed hatred toward
> >> her.
>
> >> But I want someone else to run for President. I'm not happy with the
> >> short list of Republicans so far, either, but wouldn't even -think- of
> >> voting for a Demonrat. =A0Most of the Libertarians and Greenies are to=
o
> >> far out there for me, too.<sigh> =A0What's a 'Murrican to do?
>
> > The Huck! Bring on The Huck! I like Huck.
>
> So do I. =A0He's a likable guy.
>
> --
> Free bad advice available here.
> To reply, eat the taco.http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

I like his stance on being confronted with issues he's not familiar
with: "I will find those who have more knowledge than I and I will
take a close look at the options."
And he plays bass.
And has a sense of humour.
And his Christian ethic seems well managed.

On Jan 13, 11:56=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Jan 13, 8:54=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > BTW... when something like this comes across my desk, I have to ask:
> > "You okay down there??"
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/6yu58pl
>
> Well, likewise.
>
> When I saw this you were the first one I thought of:
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/4jaqkhw
>
> Come on... <<ONE>> guy can get a 25 year old song banned from airplay?
>
> Sheesh.
>
> Robert

I wear no earring. I am NOT gay.... so why think of me?

BTW.. I never claimed you guys down there had an exclusive on idiotic
behaviour. We can teach you a thing or two when it comes to PC gone
wild.

On Jan 12, 3:04=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/12/2011 12:26 PM, RonB wrote:
>
> > Speaking of irresponsible statements, how about the illustration on
> > her web site that put cross-hairs on several politicians and referred
> > to them as "targets".
>
> > One of them got shot this weekend.
>
> > I am not liberal but that was irresponsible in this political
> > environment.
>
> I was going to stay out of this but the above is just too much to ignore.
>
> You gotta really be a sick puppy to attempt to take political advantage
> of a tragedy, and then stretch this into a justification for doing so:
>
> http://independentkansan.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/palin-crosshairs...
>
> Surely that many of you can't be that fucking stupid ... SHAME on ALL
> you sickos, on both sides.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

Good Lord! Take a breath before you hyperventilate!

I am not trying to take advantage of anything. But you gotta admit
her little chart took on new meaning Saturday. Maybe politicians, in
general, need to rethink how the take figurative shots at one another.

Maybe all of us need to settle a little.

Jeesssshhh.

RonB

On Jan 12, 3:36 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:

> The whole Arizona issue seems to be working as a catalyst for those
> who are tripping all over each other coming to Palin's defence. No way
> did Palin put those cross-hairs on the map with the intent for someone
> to attempt assassination.
> For a (any) news organization to make hay out of this is despicable as
> are those who are making hay out of trying to legitimizing Palins
> carelessness.
> It is a clusterfuck, my friend.

Personally, I couldn't agree more. Palin isn't a favorite of mine.
Too many missteps, too much inexperience (YIKES>>>>> she just put out
an 8 minute diatribe when silence would have done her a lot better)
and too much attention seeking. Palin may be something besides a
rabble rouser in a few years, but as they were called years ago, I
would have to put her in the "Not Ready for Prime Time" cast now.

As for the gun sight business, both sides have used that device over
the years. I don' t think for an instant any politician, regardless
of their political stripe, was actually advocating cold blooded
murder and butchery.

Personally, I think all the teeth gnashing about Palin is a waste of
time. Musing over a cigar and bbq chicken last night with a friend of
mine, I have decided that she is doing a right smart job of doing
herself in. And it seems the more she opens her mouth, the deeper the
hole is she digs.

Really.... REALLY???? A "blood libel"? Where did that come from.

(Rest assured Google students and pundits... I know.... no need to
inform me)

> For those who seem to have an isolationist problem with my living on
> this side of the Canadian border, also have no clue that to me, that
> border never existed, with friends, a business, and my sister and her
> brood all living in the States.
> I know more about the USA geography, history and current day political
> structure than 95% of Americans. Fact, Jack.

Hey.... screw off you Commie/Fag/Junkie!!

Lordy, I do miss Carlin....

Seriously, I wouldn't be one tiny bit surprised if you knew more about
our United States than most do. Too many posts of exacting
information about our recent history from you for me to think
otherwise. And whether I agree with what you say or not, you rarely
miss a detail. (It may have a bit of spin on it.... maybe on
purpose.... eh?) And it seems to me that most of the more strident
opinions here you encounter when tilting at your windmills (allegory
intended!) are no more than television/talk radio typing parrots.
From both sides of the political spectrum.

I must say though, that I am surprised how easily you turn to
profanity these days. After all, << ALL >> of these threads wind up
the same way with the same participants, no?

Robert

On Jan 13, 5:30=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Jan 12, 9:48=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > .... and here I thought I was behaving quite well, considering what I
> > have to put up with.......<G>
>
> Pretty good.
>
> I always watch with some amusement as you bait the hook with just the
> right amount of smelly bait, and make an easy cast to the right
> place. =A0The bobber settles, the hook and bait go to exactly the right
> place in the water.
>
> Do you catch fish though? =A0HELL NO!
>
> After years of doing this they now just jump in the damn boat!
>
> I have to ask, though. =A0Don't you get tired of catching the same fish
> every trip?
>
> *chuckle*
>
> Robert

BTW... when something like this comes across my desk, I have to ask:
"You okay down there??"

http://tinyurl.com/6yu58pl

On Jan 12, 1:26=A0pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Jan 12, 12:38 pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
> >> > On Jan 12, 11:04 am, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > *WAKE* *UP* *AMERICA* *BEFORE* *IT* *IS* *TOO* *LATE* *TO* *STOP*=
-
> >> >> > and tell your "tea party" idiots where to go.
>
> >> >> You're obviously Barking up the Wrong Tree, I'm a Tea Party Organiz=
er!
>
> >> > Oh COOL! You guys pick out a uniform yet? Something in a nice brown?
>
> >> Thinks you watch to much =A0MSLSD. I don't support Palin as a Pres.
> >> Candidate but I do believe she can and has played a large role in
> >> changing direction of our Misguided Over Blotted Government. Thinks th=
at
> >> not much more damage could be done then has by the Community Organiser=
in
> >> the WH now.
>
> > Oh.
>
> > Difference between a Tea Party- and a Community organizer is what?
>
> If you don't know, then you will never know. Won't waste my time explaini=
ng
> it to you because its obvious to me you support the Community Organizer
> concept.
>
> --
> "You can lead them to LINUX
> but you can't make them THINK"
>
> Man. 2010.1 Spring
> KDE4.4
> 2.6.33.5-desktop-2mnb

That is SUCH a weak-assed cop-out. Can't you just admit you don't have
a clue?

On Jan 12, 3:04=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was going to stay out of this but the above is just too much to ignore.
>
> You gotta really be a sick puppy to attempt to take political advantage
> of a tragedy, and then stretch this into a justification for doing so:
>
> http://independentkansan.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/palin-crosshairs...
>
> Surely that many of you can't be that fucking stupid ...

Damnit Karl.... give them some credit. Sure they can. Read their
posts!

> SHAME on ALL
> you sickos, on both sides.

Amen. Couldn't have said it better.

Robert

On Jan 12, 9:02=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 8:43=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > BTW, it's not an isolationist problem, it's a guy on the wrong side of
> > the border with a big mouth problem.
>
> And that is why I would like you to stay there.

Let's see...Canada...Canada...yeah, here it is - 38th place on my list
of places to emigrate to, so you're safe.

BTW, YOU could move to another part of Canada, say over the border
from Vermont, and you'd be right happy with the environmentally aware,
sane citizenry that lives just South of your new home.

R

DGDevin wrote:
>
> Let's change the labels. If protestors were bused to a Moveon.org
> rally in buses paid for by Organization A, and Organization A gets
> money from Organization B, and Organization B is the recipient of
> funding from George Soros, how many microseconds would it take you to
> make the connection? Yet no amount of evidence that billionaire
> bankrollers of various right-wing causes working hand in glove with
> Tea Party leadership has a similar result, you are philosophically
> opposed to seeing it, you'd rather not know who paid for buses that
> hauled protestors to a Tea Party event. Oh well, free country, no
> law against tunnel vision, is there?

Good point, even though your hypothetical is seriously flawed. George Soros
gives money DIRECTLY to moveon.org.

As for busses, I'd be interested in the situation where some third-party
paid to bus tea-partiers to an event.

I know in my town, some enthusiasts came to a rally from an outlying
community, but they pooled their money and hired their own bus. This may not
be the norm, but I'd be interested in a contrary situation.

?
"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Nice try. Could write a book on it. Tea Party= less government,less
> spending, less taxes. Community Organizer = big government, more spending,
> more taxes.

Wrong.

Both are the same ----- my way, the only way. That is the problem, there
is no middle ground no compromise, no getting things done to benefit the
people.

?
"Disbelief" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> America, a once proud land, is rapidly going down the dictatorship route
> unless its more sensible citizens take the lead and stop the rot.
>
> *WAKE* *UP* *AMERICA* *BEFORE* *IT* *IS* *TOO* *LATE* *TO* *STOP* - and
> tell your "tea party" idiots where to go.
>

Fact is, we really need a Tea Party or similar organization to stop the
dictatorship route. The two party system we've had for many years is
broken. Both major parties need a good shakeup and so far, the Tea Party is
the only one doing it. I'd like to see more action from the other lesser
parties that just cannot get the action (and reaction) the TP has.

You state the TP should go, but you've not offered a better idea.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> You're thinking of the other party where busses, signs, t-shirts, box
> lunches, buttons, balloons, and baloney are provided by the SEIU and their
> colleagues.

Well maybe we should ban such activities. Of course that would include the
NRA....

DGDevin wrote:
> "HeyBub" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>> Difference between a Tea Party- and a Community organizer is what?
>
>> The Tea Party doesn't agitate for government funds.
>
> Those Tea Partiers who showed up at town hall meetings to yell at
> politicians to keep the government's hands off their Medicare, who do
> you suppose they think sends out the checks that pay their Medicare
> bills? Isn't demanding an existing govt. program like Medicare be
> left alone a form of agitating for govt. funds?

Medicare is an INSURANCE program. Agitatiors, if you can call them that,
paid premiums most or all of their working life and, in their mind, are
entitled to the promised annuity. Same with Social Security.

Now if the agitators were demanding more benefits or no cuts in MEDICAID,
I'd be with you in condemning the thuggish mob.

In article <6a1cd086-74a2-4026-9ba3-e47625dbe7a1
@w29g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, [email protected] says...
>
> On Jan 12, 2:05 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:55:10 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
> >
> >
> >
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >On Jan 12, 12:38 pm, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> Robatoy wrote:
> > >> > On Jan 12, 11:04 am, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> > *WAKE* *UP* *AMERICA* *BEFORE* *IT* *IS* *TOO* *LATE* *TO* *STOP* - and
> > >> >> > tell your "tea party" idiots where to go.
> >
> > >> >> You're obviously Barking up the Wrong Tree, I'm a Tea Party Organizer!
> >
> > >> > Oh COOL! You guys pick out a uniform yet? Something in a nice brown?
> >
> > >> Thinks you watch to much  MSLSD. I don't support Palin as a Pres. Candidate
> > >> but I do believe she can and has played a large role in changing direction
> > >> of our Misguided Over Blotted Government. Thinks that not much more damage
> > >> could be done then has by the Community Organiser in the WH now.
> >
> > >Oh.
> >
> > >Difference between a Tea Party- and a Community organizer is what?
> >
> > 180 degrees?  Tea Partiers are working FOR the people in the
> > community, without regard to race or color.
> >
>
>
> Where?

Ronald Reagan responded to a recession with lower taxes
and increased government spending, sending the national
debt on a steep curve upward.

s

DGDevin wrote:
> "Rich" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Nice try. Could write a book on it. Tea Party= less government,less
>> spending, less taxes. Community Organizer = big government, more
>> spending, more taxes.
>
> Tea Party = Pissed Off. They're not exactly sure just why, or at
> who, but they know they're not happy with something and/or somebody. And
> just wait 'til they find out some of their leaders want to do
> away with Medicare and Social Security--"What, MY Medicare and Social
> Security?!?!"

Oh, there's always some crackpot who wants to do away with Social Security,
Gitmo, guns, or apple pie. They are way noisier than successful. Most
everybody ignores them.


> They should be pissed off, everyone should be, but it would be nice
> if they put a little effort into figuring out who they should be
> upset with. The billionaire Republicans who have bankrolled the Tea
> Party must be laughing themselves silly.

Uh, if you mean by "billionaire" George Soros, et al, they are bankrolling
the mainstream Democrats.

So far as I can find, nobody is bankrolling the Tea Party. Or, they could be
so successful at keeping it a secret, that it just hasn't come out yet.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Thank you for the links - of course David Rich and the NY Times are hardly
> the poster boys for objective reporting on the subject.

The NY Times has an agenda, one I sometimes find reprehensible, e.g. the
paper has an editorial policy against the private ownership of handguns, but
the publisher has a NY pistol permit. Their coverage of the Duke lacrosse
team rape case was also not one of their shining moments, their coverage was
heavily slanted until they could no longer ignore the mounting evidence that
there had been no gang rape. However, when the NYT or any media outlet says
this person has contributed this much money to this organization, that's not
a matter of editorial spin, either that person wrote those checks or they
didn't. If they did, then saying that the Times isn't objective amounts to
sidestepping the issue of whether that person financially supported that
organization.

> That said, I find no mention of any fat-cat financial support for tea
> party organizations. There is much overlap between the organizations
> funded by the Koch brothers and tea party membership, but they seem to be
> separate entities.

Former Republican Congressman Dick Armey is the founder of FreedomWorks, and
the parent group of FreedomWorks is Citizens For A Sound Economy, and CFASE
gets donations from various sources, the single biggest of which is the Koch
family--$13,000,000 worth as of a few years ago. FreedomWorks works closely
with the Tea Party Patriots (FreedomWorks will tell you so), the TPP used
its membership to agitate against health care reform. Dick Armey is a
former consultant to a Washington lobbying firm that represents drug
companies, health insurance companies and other health care corporations.
Now, you're a smart fellow, putting aside your political philosophy for a
moment, how would you connect those dots?

Even imagining that there is no connection is laughable, although not
actually funny. You don't have to take my word for this, you have internet
access, you can use the same search engines I do, read the same articles.
If you don't, well that suggests you'd rather not know.

> You are correct in that Fox News, for example, tends to give favorable
> coverage to tea party activities and I grant that counts for quite a bit
> in the grand scheme of things.

Lots of media outlets have a history of leaning one way or the other. For
many years the Los Angeles Times was the de facto voice of the Republican
Party in southern California, they wouldn't even mention the names of
Democratic candidates for office. By the end of the Nixon era they were
changing largely because younger management not tied to the Republican Party
put journalism ahead of political allegiance, which of course led the right
to label the LA Times "liberal". The Chicago Tribune is a conservative
paper (which was what made their endorsement of Obama in 2008 so striking)
while the San Francisco Chronicle is liberal. The Washington Post used to
be quite liberal, not so much these days. The Wall St. Journal is clearly
right-wing on its editorial pages, yet its news reporting tends to be very
good. And then there is Fox, which so consistently supports the Republican
Party in a thousand ways great and small that anyone claiming that network
isn't heavily biased should expect to hear only laughter.

> Still, the tea party activities are not, to my knowledge, a beard for
> protests as much as SEIU, the teamsters, the teacher's unions, and the
> like.

"To my knowledge" is an interesting phrase to use here. You don't have to
look to hard to find the links, but you have to want to do that.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/04/the-tea-party-movement-whos-in-charge/13041/

"FreedomWorks and dontGO seem to have taken ownership of the bulk of this
coordination. The homepage of FreedomWorks' website now offers visitors a
Google map of protests taking place across the country. They say they know
of 600 Tax Day protests for which they are providing resources. The group
has used its e-mail list to augment the work of dontGO, which created the
website www.taxdayteaparty.com in February. dontGO, which was formed as an
online rapid response team during the House of Representatives oil drilling
debate last year, says it is "tracking" 700 events under its aegis.
Americans for Prosperity says it has 24 state chapters that are organizing
events. Overlap between all those numbers is quite likely: FreedomWorks told
me a lot of its activity has been clueing its members to other protests in
the area, so protesters can cooperate and conglomerate their events."

http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/events/pittsburgh-tea-party-buses-to

"The Pittsburgh Tea Party Movement has arranged for buses from Pittsburgh to
Washington, DC for the April 15th FreedomWorks' Tax Day Tea Party at 7:00pm.
Because we have lined up outstanding speakers for our local event in
downtown Pittsburgh, we planned our buses so you could attend both events."

Let's change the labels. If protestors were bused to a Moveon.org rally in
buses paid for by Organization A, and Organization A gets money from
Organization B, and Organization B is the recipient of funding from George
Soros, how many microseconds would it take you to make the connection? Yet
no amount of evidence that billionaire bankrollers of various right-wing
causes working hand in glove with Tea Party leadership has a similar result,
you are philosophically opposed to seeing it, you'd rather not know who paid
for buses that hauled protestors to a Tea Party event. Oh well, free
country, no law against tunnel vision, is there?

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...


>>Difference between a Tea Party- and a Community organizer is what?

> 180 degrees? Tea Partiers are working FOR the people in the
> community, without regard to race or color.

Tea Partiers don't have a clue who they're working for, who paid for the
buses bringing them to rallies, who foots the bills to run the various
groups composing the Tea Party, and many of them probably wouldn't care even
if they knew.

On 1/13/2011 8:54 AM, Robatoy wrote:

> BTW... when something like this comes across my desk, I have to ask:
> "You okay down there??"
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6yu58pl

And some people would obviously be tickled with more government?

... go figure.

Everyone should read Dickens' "Little Dorrit", starting with Chapter 10:

http://www.readprint.com/chapter-2800/Little-Dorrit-Charles-Dickens

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>>
>> Sarah resonates with the American people, who are angy as hell with
>> their too-big, too-spendthrift, unlistening, corrupt gov't right now
>> and I don't think the people will be taking it for much longer.
> -----------------------------
> Describes 2000-2008, and yes it was ugly.
>

The first six years of the Bush administration were lovely: unemployment
below 5%, 26 consecutive quarters of economic growth, stock market above
12,000, low inflation, significant reduction in poverty, and more. All this
in spite of 9/11, Katrina, and two wars.

Then the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006...

Rich <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Thinks you watch to much MSLSD. I don't support Palin as a Pres.
> Candidate but I do believe she can and has played a large role in
> changing direction of our Misguided Over Blotted Government. Thinks
> that not much more damage could be done then has by the Community
> Organiser in the WH now.
>

Sorry, to me this is gobbledygook. For one thing, I don't know what MSLSD
is. Who is miguided over the blotted government? what is a blotted
government?
Can anyone make complete, English sentences from this for me?

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Fact is, we really need a Tea Party or similar organization to stop
> the dictatorship route. The two party system we've had for many years
> is broken. Both major parties need a good shakeup and so far, the Tea
> Party is the only one doing it. I'd like to see more action from the
> other lesser parties that just cannot get the action (and reaction)
> the TP has.
>
> You state the TP should go, but you've not offered a better idea.

I hate the US 2 party system. It forces both parties to go to the center
and buy (yes, buy) votes there in order to get a workable Congress and
executive branch. It would be much better if there were more nuanced
parties that could negotiate a coalition to govern. Then the whole
country would know where we all stood on the very big scale from left to
right. Unfortunately, then gvernments would fall because some minor
party, that was necessary to get the coalition going, would feel excluded
at some point, and make the government fail. This is not that bad for
countries like Italy, or Israel, or Holland, but would be unworkable (I
think) in the US.

However, the current problem is one of rhetoric, and solid stances
against something or another. While there is WAY too much waste in
government, just jettisoning health care or unemployment compensation and
laying off all local governments and school systems isn't really going to
help. There is a need for someone to establish priorities in all these
areas and to look at the need for more revenue and where it should come
from. The commission that did just that was booed away without any real
discussion. That was too bad. As a basis for starting discussions of
what could be done, I thought it was pretty good.

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Rich <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Nice try. Could write a book on it. Tea Party= less government,less
> spending, less taxes. Community Organizer = big government, more
> spending, more taxes.
>

Who will keep BP honest and clean?

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Rich <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> MSLSD = MSNBC Who is the current politicians that don't listen to
> the majority of the US citizens and will probably be tossed out on
> their butts in the next elections. Correction, Blotted = Bloated
> Oversize,fat, excessive gas.
> Fluid enough? Or should I say, clear enough?
>

Don't do MSNBC. Sorry.
Majority of US citizens? What does that have to do with anything? Or do
you mean eligible voters? Or riled up enough voters?

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Rich <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
september.org:

> Han wrote:
>
>> Rich <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Nice try. Could write a book on it. Tea Party= less government,less
>>> spending, less taxes. Community Organizer = big government, more
>>> spending, more taxes.
>>>
>>
>> Who will keep BP honest and clean?
>>
> Well Obama didn't did he. Again nice try.

That does not answer my question, Poor. If there is going to be less
regulation (which in itself would be good), then we are expecting BP (or
whoever, fill in your choice) to do the right thing by themselves. What if
BP doesn't? Shouldn't existing laws be sufficient to correct things? Or
should we have effective regulation, rather than that cozy relationship
between oil drillers and the Minerals people dating from before Obama?

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Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 01/12/2011 10:55 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Jan 12, 12:38 pm, Rich<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>> On Jan 12, 11:04 am, Rich<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> *WAKE* *UP* *AMERICA* *BEFORE* *IT* *IS* *TOO* *LATE* *TO* *STOP*
>>>>>> - and tell your "tea party" idiots where to go.
>>>
>>>>> You're obviously Barking up the Wrong Tree, I'm a Tea Party
>>>>> Organizer!
>>>
>>>> Oh COOL! You guys pick out a uniform yet? Something in a nice
>>>> brown?
>>>
>>> Thinks you watch to much MSLSD. I don't support Palin as a Pres.
>>> Candidate but I do believe she can and has played a large role in
>>> changing direction of our Misguided Over Blotted Government. Thinks
>>> that not much more damage could be done then has by the Community
>>> Organiser in the WH now.
>>>
>> Oh.
>>
>> Difference between a Tea Party- and a Community organizer is what?
>>
> Tea Party Tenets:
> -Fiscal responsibility
> -Constitutionally limited government
> -Free Markets
> -Personal responsibility
>
> Community Organizer Tenets:
> -The community is a potential power base
> -community issues are a result of lack of power
> -creating conflict over issues can gain power

That would make me a TeaPartier. However, I am also for Responsible
regulation of corporations, communities, taxes.

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Rich <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
september.org:

> Did you even look at the website

I just did. Seems like good work, although not all my style.

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"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> The Libertarian view - to which I do not necessarily subscribe - is
> that there should be no interference between a willing buyer and a
> willing seller and that the sanctity of contract should be enforced.
>
> This means that the government's role is to provide a legal system to
> enforce contracts and sanction violators, not to "regulate" the
> transaction.

That legal system will inherently have regulation - laws need
interpretation. Complete, full disclosure by the seller is only one of the
necessary "regulatables".

That Libertarian view is somewhat utopian, then.

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DGDevin wrote:
>
>> However, I am also for Responsible
>> regulation of corporations, communities, taxes.
>
> Exactly, as Wall St. demonstrated recently, there has to be a cop on
> the beat. I believe in free enterprise, but that doesn't mean
> corporations operating without regulation at all as that is a formula
> for disaster.

The Libertarian view - to which I do not necessarily subscribe - is that
there should be no interference between a willing buyer and a willing seller
and that the sanctity of contract should be enforced.

This means that the government's role is to provide a legal system to
enforce contracts and sanction violators, not to "regulate" the transaction.

DGDevin wrote:
> "Larry Jaques" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>> Difference between a Tea Party- and a Community organizer is what?
>
>> 180 degrees? Tea Partiers are working FOR the people in the
>> community, without regard to race or color.
>
> Tea Partiers don't have a clue who they're working for, who paid for
> the buses bringing them to rallies, who foots the bills to run the
> various groups composing the Tea Party, and many of them probably
> wouldn't care even if they knew.

You're confused. There are no busses bringing Tea Partiers to rallies. What
little expenses there are for a Tea Party event are born by the organizers
or small donations. There simply is no "man behind the curtain."

You're thinking of the other party where busses, signs, t-shirts, box
lunches, buttons, balloons, and baloney are provided by the SEIU and their
colleagues.

On Jan 12, 2:54=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 2:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
> > > Sarah resonates with the American people, who are angy as hell with
> > > their too-big, too-spendthrift, unlistening, corrupt gov't right now
> > > and I don't think the people will be taking it for much longer.
>
> > -----------------------------
> > Describes 2000-2008, and yes it was ugly.
>
> > Lew
>
> How soon they forget.
> The administration of 2000-2008 created such a big problem that no
> matter what, the next administration couldn't fix it.
> The GOP didn't WANT this round, in fact they made sure by allowing as
> part of their ticket: tits without brains...just to make sure.
> Then they simply voted NO on everything. How sporting.
>
> That reminds of that baseball going through Mrs Green's window. When
> confronted, the batter said: "I don't even PLAY baseball." Talk about
> cowardice.

And the Democrats votes YES on everything?

Even if the Republicans all voted NO, why did Obama have such a hard
time passing legislation whenever he had overwhelming majorities in
both the House and the Senate?

But whenever the Democrats all vote NO, that is okay because, of
course, they are the thinkers and they embrace everything and
everybody except for those they disagree with.

On Jan 12, 11:26=A0am, "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:8bd9ab14-84bc-42f0-8743-d4bf3ec56c24@q18g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
> Yup, Palin wrote this, uhuh....:
>
> =93Like many, I=92ve spent the past few days reflecting on what happened
> and praying for guidance. After this shocking tragedy, I listened at
> first puzzled, then with concern, and now with sadness, to the
> irresponsible statements from people attempting to apportion blame for
> this terrible event,=94 Palin said
>
> There is no way she wrote those words.....
>
> Get a life, dude.

I HAVE a life, dude. I'd like to keep it for a while longer. Handing
Palin the keys is begging for a catastrophe. What the hell is it with
you people? So easily startstruck by a set of tits. "Oh yea, Sarah
will turn the US around!!"
I mean... she's totally doable, I get it, but to run the second most
powerful economy on earth?

On Jan 12, 4:26=A0pm, busbus <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 2:54=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 2:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
> > > > Sarah resonates with the American people, who are angy as hell with
> > > > their too-big, too-spendthrift, unlistening, corrupt gov't right no=
w
> > > > and I don't think the people will be taking it for much longer.
>
> > > -----------------------------
> > > Describes 2000-2008, and yes it was ugly.
>
> > > Lew
>
> > How soon they forget.
> > The administration of 2000-2008 created such a big problem that no
> > matter what, the next administration couldn't fix it.
> > The GOP didn't WANT this round, in fact they made sure by allowing as
> > part of their ticket: tits without brains...just to make sure.
> > Then they simply voted NO on everything. How sporting.
>
> > That reminds of that baseball going through Mrs Green's window. When
> > confronted, the batter said: "I don't even PLAY baseball." Talk about
> > cowardice.
>
> And the Democrats votes YES on everything?
>
> Even if the Republicans all voted NO, why did Obama have such a hard
> time passing legislation whenever he had overwhelming majorities in
> both the House and the Senate?
>
> But whenever the Democrats all vote NO, that is okay because, of
> course, they are the thinkers and they embrace everything and
> everybody except for those they disagree with.

Did you just use the word 'thinkers' and 'democrats' in the same
sentence? ( I know, you were being sarcastic.)

On Jan 12, 4:09=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Jan 12, 3:04=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I was going to stay out of this but the above is just too much to ignor=
e.
>
> > You gotta really be a sick puppy to attempt to take political advantage
> > of a tragedy, and then stretch this into a justification for doing so:
>
> >http://independentkansan.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/palin-crosshairs...
>
> > Surely that many of you can't be that fucking stupid ...
>
> Damnit Karl.... give them some credit. =A0Sure they can. =A0Read their
> posts!
>
> > SHAME on ALL
> > you sickos, on both sides.
>
> Amen. Couldn't have said it better.
>
> Robert

The whole Arizona issue seems to be working as a catalyst for those
who are tripping all over each other coming to Palin's defence. No way
did Palin put those cross-hairs on the map with the intent for someone
to attempt assassination.
For a (any) news organization to make hay out of this is despicable as
are those who are making hay out of trying to legitimizing Palins
carelessness.
It is a clusterfuck, my friend.

For those who seem to have an isolationist problem with my living on
this side of the Canadian border, also have no clue that to me, that
border never existed, with friends, a business, and my sister and her
brood all living in the States.
I know more about the USA geography, history and current day political
structure than 95% of Americans. Fact, Jack.

How willing are the Americans to meddle in shit that isn't any of
their business, but holy hell, if somebody say anything about their
problems, look out.
Business as usual, I say.

On Jan 12, 9:17=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 9:02=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 12, 8:43=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > BTW, it's not an isolationist problem, it's a guy on the wrong side o=
f
> > > the border with a big mouth problem.
>
> > And that is why I would like you to stay there.
>
> Let's see...Canada...Canada...yeah, here it is - 38th place on my list
> of places to emigrate to, so you're safe.

Shows that you know nothing about this country.
Which country is # 37?

On Jan 12, 11:04=A0am, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0wrote:
> > *WAKE* *UP* *AMERICA* *BEFORE* *IT* *IS* *TOO* *LATE* *TO* *STOP* - and
> > tell your "tea party" idiots where to go.
>
> You're obviously Barking up the Wrong Tree, I'm a Tea Party Organizer!
>

Oh COOL! You guys pick out a uniform yet? Something in a nice brown?

On Jan 12, 2:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
> > Sarah resonates with the American people, who are angy as hell with
> > their too-big, too-spendthrift, unlistening, corrupt gov't right now
> > and I don't think the people will be taking it for much longer.
>
> -----------------------------
> Describes 2000-2008, and yes it was ugly.
>
> Lew


It doesn't describe what happened after 2008? Or prior to 2000?

Bush was not the best president we ever had but there is no way one
individual and his cabinet are to blame for absolutely everything that
is wrong with the United States. that is a very myopic view.

The problems did not start with that administration--they started a
long, long time ago. I believe we have a generation of mostly
narcissistic people out there who are getting of the age of bringing
up the next generation of narcissistic people. Society, as a whole,
believes everything they wantor desire is their "right" and if
somebody else has something they covet, they start bitching and
moaning and do their damnable best to get that thing handed to them
without having to exert the effort.

I am not saying all the younger people are like that, far from it. I
know a lot of good, responsible people that are, say, in their 30's
and younger. But there is simply a sense of entitlement in them that
they can't escape, even if they want to, because it is so prevalent in
their peers all around them. Hell, I see it in my own kids. We
worked very hard at them taking responsiblity for their actions and
yet they still slide into the "blame game" and we need to rattle
their cages again. I thought we more-or-less had my sone straightened
out and then he goes off to college and it pops up again. It isn't
HIS fault he got a 65% on that test--it's the professor's fault
because he didn't explain the material well or the book sucks or it
was too noisy in the dorm or he was up too late the night before the
test.

Bullshit.

The thing is, we are all pissed off at the government (the one Lew
hated as well as the current one), but they are not the big problem.
I do believe we need to wrestle control from the central government
and hand as much back tot each individual State as possible and weaken
the Federal government quite a bit.

But that is NOT going to fix a darn thing, in the long run.

We need to change our culture, right down to the core. We need to
hold individual's responsible. We can't have this nonsense that I
swear started how many years ago whenever those two boys killed their
rich parents and said it was because they ate too many Twinkies?! And
it has gone on from there. Or how about the lady who sues McDonald's
because she spilled hot coffee on herself? It McDonald's fault, you
know. I am sure there were things like that that happened before
those incidents but we have become a whiny, moany, needy people and
have created a government that will cater to those needs.

Sorry for the explosion.

On Jan 13, 8:54=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:

> BTW... when something like this comes across my desk, I have to ask:
> "You okay down there??"
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6yu58pl

Well, likewise.

When I saw this you were the first one I thought of:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4jaqkhw

Come on... <<ONE>> guy can get a 25 year old song banned from airplay?

Sheesh.

Robert

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On Jan 12, 7:06=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:

> The United States of America is the greatest, the
> noblest and, in its original founding principles,
> the only moral country in the history of the world.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0-- Ayn Rand

No, it's not! France is. They are "la patrie des droits de
l'homme" (the homeland of the rights of man). The Declaration of the
Rights of Man and of the Citizen was passed two years before the US
Bill of Rights.

But then neither abolished slavery. That was done first by the Brits.

Luigi

On Jan 12, 2:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
> > Sarah resonates with the American people, who are angy as hell with
> > their too-big, too-spendthrift, unlistening, corrupt gov't right now
> > and I don't think the people will be taking it for much longer.
>
> -----------------------------
> Describes 2000-2008, and yes it was ugly.
>
> Lew

How soon they forget.
The administration of 2000-2008 created such a big problem that no
matter what, the next administration couldn't fix it.
The GOP didn't WANT this round, in fact they made sure by allowing as
part of their ticket: tits without brains...just to make sure.
Then they simply voted NO on everything. How sporting.

That reminds of that baseball going through Mrs Green's window. When
confronted, the batter said: "I don't even PLAY baseball." Talk about
cowardice.