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Sonny

27/07/2017 12:54 PM

Blue Shop Towels Cause Rusting?

Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the jointer b=
lades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened and rolled the=
m in the blue shop towels, for storage.

I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the towe=
l's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the blades at the =
points of rust. There was no signs of any discoloring/blemishing on the o=
utside of the wrappings, so I doubt the cause was from an exterior contamin=
ate, migrating inward.

Scroll right for 2 more pics.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public=
/

I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in brown pa=
per bags... no rusting on these.

I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer blades. Pla=
ner blades were stored in their designated cases. No rust on these, so wh=
atever caused the rusting didn't come from the sharpener.

Sonny


This topic has 19 replies

Cc

Casper

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

30/07/2017 10:43 AM

Wish I had a shaving horse.

Use the blue ones all the time and no rust.
Probably moisture from the air.

Sonny <[email protected]> was heard to mutter:
>Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
>
>I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
>
>Scroll right for 2 more pics.
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
>
>I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
>
>I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the sharpener.
>
>Sonny
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c

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

27/07/2017 5:33 PM

On 27 Jul 2017 21:13:39 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 7/27/2017 4:23 PM, G Ross wrote:
>>> Wish I had an 8 inch jointer.
>>>
>> Wish I had a 12 inch jointer :-)
>>
>
>Wish I had a self-leveling board, so I wouldn't need a jointer. :-)
>
>Puckdropper
You can only use the self leveling board once - then you are back to
needing the jointer - - -

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

29/07/2017 4:32 AM

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 12:40:12 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:27:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:55:04 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 03:47:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 10:06:24 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:06:13 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On 7/27/2017 4:23 PM, G Ross wrote:
> >> >> >> Sonny wrote:
> >> >> >>> Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the
> >> >> >>> jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened
> >> >> >>> and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the
> >> >> >>> towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the
> >> >> >>> blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any
> >> >> >>> discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the
> >> >> >>> cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Scroll right for 2 more pics.
> >> >> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in
> >> >> >>> brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer
> >> >> >>> blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No
> >> >> >>> rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the
> >> >> >>> sharpener.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Sonny
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> Wish I had an 8 inch jointer.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >Wish I had a 12 inch jointer :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm married. I wouldn't know what to do with it. ;-)
> >> >
> >> >I'm sorry to hear that. After 33 years we both still know what to do with it.
> >>
> >> 46, but who's counting. ;-)
> >
> >I guess those that don't know what to do with it anymore.
>
> Or... Those who talk about doing it, talk about doing it.

...and do it.

c

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

27/07/2017 5:13 PM

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:54:52 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
>
>I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
>
>Scroll right for 2 more pics.
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
>
>I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
>
>I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the sharpener.
>
>Sonny
It was moisture in the blue towel -if you oil the towel lightly first
the blade won't rust because with the oil there, it cannot absorb
moisture.

k

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

27/07/2017 10:06 PM

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:06:13 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 7/27/2017 4:23 PM, G Ross wrote:
>> Sonny wrote:
>>> Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the
>>> jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened
>>> and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
>>>
>>> I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the
>>> towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the
>>> blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any
>>> discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the
>>> cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
>>>
>>> Scroll right for 2 more pics.
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
>>>
>>>
>>> I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in
>>> brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
>>>
>>> I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer
>>> blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No
>>> rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the
>>> sharpener.
>>>
>>> Sonny
>>>
>> Wish I had an 8 inch jointer.
>>
>Wish I had a 12 inch jointer :-)

I'm married. I wouldn't know what to do with it. ;-)

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

27/07/2017 9:13 PM

woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 7/27/2017 4:23 PM, G Ross wrote:
>> Wish I had an 8 inch jointer.
>>
> Wish I had a 12 inch jointer :-)
>

Wish I had a self-leveling board, so I wouldn't need a jointer. :-)

Puckdropper
--
http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking
A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!

k

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

29/07/2017 12:40 AM

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:27:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:55:04 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 03:47:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 10:06:24 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:06:13 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 7/27/2017 4:23 PM, G Ross wrote:
>> >> >> Sonny wrote:
>> >> >>> Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the
>> >> >>> jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened
>> >> >>> and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the
>> >> >>> towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the
>> >> >>> blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any
>> >> >>> discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the
>> >> >>> cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Scroll right for 2 more pics.
>> >> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in
>> >> >>> brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer
>> >> >>> blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No
>> >> >>> rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the
>> >> >>> sharpener.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Sonny
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> Wish I had an 8 inch jointer.
>> >> >>
>> >> >Wish I had a 12 inch jointer :-)
>> >>
>> >> I'm married. I wouldn't know what to do with it. ;-)
>> >
>> >I'm sorry to hear that. After 33 years we both still know what to do with it.
>>
>> 46, but who's counting. ;-)
>
>I guess those that don't know what to do with it anymore.

Or... Those who talk about doing it, talk about doing it.

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

28/07/2017 8:27 PM

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:55:04 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 03:47:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 10:06:24 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:06:13 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 7/27/2017 4:23 PM, G Ross wrote:
> >> >> Sonny wrote:
> >> >>> Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the
> >> >>> jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened
> >> >>> and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the
> >> >>> towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the
> >> >>> blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any
> >> >>> discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the
> >> >>> cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Scroll right for 2 more pics.
> >> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in
> >> >>> brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer
> >> >>> blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No
> >> >>> rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the
> >> >>> sharpener.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sonny
> >> >>>
> >> >> Wish I had an 8 inch jointer.
> >> >>
> >> >Wish I had a 12 inch jointer :-)
> >>
> >> I'm married. I wouldn't know what to do with it. ;-)
> >
> >I'm sorry to hear that. After 33 years we both still know what to do with it.
>
> 46, but who's counting. ;-)

I guess those that don't know what to do with it anymore.

wn

woodchucker

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

27/07/2017 5:06 PM

On 7/27/2017 4:23 PM, G Ross wrote:
> Sonny wrote:
>> Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the
>> jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened
>> and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
>>
>> I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the
>> towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the
>> blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any
>> discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the
>> cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
>>
>> Scroll right for 2 more pics.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>>
>> I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in
>> brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
>>
>> I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer
>> blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No
>> rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the
>> sharpener.
>>
>> Sonny
>>
> Wish I had an 8 inch jointer.
>
Wish I had a 12 inch jointer :-)

--
Jeff

EP

Ed Pawlowski

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

27/07/2017 5:57 PM

On 7/27/2017 4:23 PM, G Ross wrote:
> Sonny wrote:
>> Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the
>> jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened
>> and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
>>
>> I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the
>> towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the
>> blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any
>> discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the
>> cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
>>
>> Scroll right for 2 more pics.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>>
>> I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in
>> brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
>>
>> I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer
>> blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No
>> rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the
>> sharpener.
>>
>> Sonny
>>
> Wish I had an 8 inch jointer.
>


Wish I had 8" of anything.

sS

[email protected] (Scott Lurndal)

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

28/07/2017 12:39 PM

notbob <[email protected]> writes:
>On 2017-07-27, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Wish I had 8" of anything.
>
>So does yer wife. ;)

Probably not, as the average depth is about 5".

k

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

27/07/2017 10:05 PM

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:54:52 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
>
>I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
>
>Scroll right for 2 more pics.
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
>
>I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
>
>I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the sharpener.

It may not be acid in the towels, rather that they're absorbing water
from the air. I had this problem with a pistol case. It had a canvas
spine that absorbed water and rusted the stainless steel along the top
of the barrel and back of the grips. Rust on a $1500 gun sorta pissed
me off.

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

28/07/2017 3:47 AM

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 10:06:24 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:06:13 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On 7/27/2017 4:23 PM, G Ross wrote:
> >> Sonny wrote:
> >>> Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the
> >>> jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened
> >>> and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
> >>>
> >>> I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the
> >>> towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the
> >>> blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any
> >>> discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the
> >>> cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
> >>>
> >>> Scroll right for 2 more pics.
> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in
> >>> brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
> >>>
> >>> I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer
> >>> blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No
> >>> rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the
> >>> sharpener.
> >>>
> >>> Sonny
> >>>
> >> Wish I had an 8 inch jointer.
> >>
> >Wish I had a 12 inch jointer :-)
>
> I'm married. I wouldn't know what to do with it. ;-)

I'm sorry to hear that. After 33 years we both still know what to do with it.

nn

notbob

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

27/07/2017 10:35 PM

On 2017-07-27, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

> Wish I had 8" of anything.

So does yer wife. ;)

nb

k

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

28/07/2017 10:54 PM

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 03:47:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 10:06:24 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:06:13 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 7/27/2017 4:23 PM, G Ross wrote:
>> >> Sonny wrote:
>> >>> Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the
>> >>> jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened
>> >>> and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
>> >>>
>> >>> I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the
>> >>> towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the
>> >>> blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any
>> >>> discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the
>> >>> cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
>> >>>
>> >>> Scroll right for 2 more pics.
>> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in
>> >>> brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
>> >>>
>> >>> I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer
>> >>> blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No
>> >>> rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the
>> >>> sharpener.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sonny
>> >>>
>> >> Wish I had an 8 inch jointer.
>> >>
>> >Wish I had a 12 inch jointer :-)
>>
>> I'm married. I wouldn't know what to do with it. ;-)
>
>I'm sorry to hear that. After 33 years we both still know what to do with it.

46, but who's counting. ;-)

k

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

28/07/2017 10:55 PM

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 07:56:47 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 27 Jul 2017 22:35:10 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 2017-07-27, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Wish I had 8" of anything.
>>
>>So does yer wife. ;)
>>
>>nb
>
>
>4" twice is just as good

Use it twice as often.

EP

Ed Pawlowski

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

28/07/2017 7:56 AM

On 27 Jul 2017 22:35:10 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2017-07-27, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Wish I had 8" of anything.
>
>So does yer wife. ;)
>
>nb


4" twice is just as good

GR

G Ross

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

27/07/2017 4:23 PM

Sonny wrote:
> Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
>
> I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
>
> Scroll right for 2 more pics.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
>
> I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
>
> I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the sharpener.
>
> Sonny
>
Wish I had an 8 inch jointer.

--
GW Ross






Ll

Leon

in reply to Sonny on 27/07/2017 12:54 PM

28/07/2017 12:22 PM

On 7/27/2017 4:13 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:54:52 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Doing a little maintenance around the shop, decided to change the jointer blades. 6 to 8 months ago, I had 2 sets of blades sharpened and rolled them in the blue shop towels, for storage.
>>
>> I discovered all the blades have developed rust spots. I suppose the towel's acid caused the rusting. The towels were stuck to the blades at the points of rust. There was no signs of any discoloring/blemishing on the outside of the wrappings, so I doubt the cause was from an exterior contaminate, migrating inward.
>>
>> Scroll right for 2 more pics.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/36164665826/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> I have older sets of blades wrapped in regular paper towels and in brown paper bags... no rusting on these.
>>
>> I had planer blades sharpened at the same time as the jointer blades. Planer blades were stored in their designated cases. No rust on these, so whatever caused the rusting didn't come from the sharpener.
>>
>> Sonny
> It was moisture in the blue towel -if you oil the towel lightly first
> the blade won't rust because with the oil there, it cannot absorb
> moisture.
>

I think I would agree, probably sweat. I have not seen an issue with
those towels, Scott blue shop paper towels, in 20+ years.


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