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[email protected] (paul flint)

22/02/2005 12:21 PM

joinery costs

Iam looking for a good sorce of imfo for build up labour rates for
making custom joinery from windows to stairs .I know that all
workshops are different ,and people do things in a different way ,but
all the same looking for some imfo that i can bulid on in spread sheet
format . Thanks


This topic has 11 replies

Wn

Will

in reply to [email protected] (paul flint) on 22/02/2005 12:21 PM

22/02/2005 6:04 PM

Perhaps you should consider $5 an hour for a while and see if there are
any takers.

mp wrote:
>>I bill $100 an hour, four hour minimum. I don't to stairs but the Florida
>>stairman does.
>
>
> That's nothing. I bill $400/hr, three week minimum.
>
> So far, no takers, but that's besides the point.
>
>

--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

j

in reply to [email protected] (paul flint) on 22/02/2005 12:21 PM

22/02/2005 6:41 PM


> labour rates

Judging by the spelling, you are in a Commonwealth country, so local
conditions will be key, but in Washington, DC casual labor retails at
$80/hour. Skilled goes higher.

mm

"mp"

in reply to [email protected] (paul flint) on 22/02/2005 12:21 PM

22/02/2005 2:07 PM

> I bill $100 an hour, four hour minimum. I don't to stairs but the Florida
> stairman does.

That's nothing. I bill $400/hr, three week minimum.

So far, no takers, but that's besides the point.

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to [email protected] (paul flint) on 22/02/2005 12:21 PM

23/02/2005 2:30 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
paul flint <[email protected]> wrote:
>Iam looking for a good sorce of imfo for build up labour rates for
>making custom joinery from windows to stairs .I know that all
>workshops are different ,and people do things in a different way ,but
>all the same looking for some imfo that i can bulid on in spread sheet
>format . Thanks

The 'safe' figure to use is "an arm and half a leg" <grin>

Any 'realistic' answer is going to have an uncertianty range of _at_least_
a factor of five, more likely ten. Which is so broad as to make it 'useless'.

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to [email protected] (paul flint) on 22/02/2005 12:21 PM

23/02/2005 1:01 AM


"Will" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> For whatever it is worth... After years of working with manufacturers,
> they still seem to be fond of the "two times" table -- and if not they
> seem to fail...
>
> + Materials
> + Labor
> + Overhead
> + Contingency
> _______________
>
> X 2
>
> = Selling price
>
> i.e. 50% profit
>
>

In my industry we are lucky to sell at 2X material and still have to pay the
labor, overhead, etc. Guess we are in the wrong business.

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to [email protected] (paul flint) on 22/02/2005 12:21 PM

23/02/2005 11:36 PM


"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> I bill $100 an hour, four hour minimum. I don't to stairs but the
>> Florida stairman does.
>
>
> Unless you actually ask him a stair question, then he disappears.
>
> Barry

He's probably busy in the kitchen roasting a chicken.

Wn

Will

in reply to [email protected] (paul flint) on 22/02/2005 12:21 PM

22/02/2005 7:19 PM

For whatever it is worth... After years of working with manufacturers,
they still seem to be fond of the "two times" table -- and if not they
seem to fail...

+ Materials
+ Labor
+ Overhead
+ Contingency
_______________

X 2

= Selling price

i.e. 50% profit



Lew Hodgett wrote:
> paul flint wrote:
>
>> Iam looking for a good sorce of imfo for build up labour rates for
>> making custom joinery from windows to stairs .I know that all
>> workshops are different ,and people do things in a different way ,but
>> all the same looking for some imfo that i can bulid on in spread sheet
>> format . Thanks
>
>
> There is an old formula that applies to almost any manufacturing
> business that goes something like this:
>
> 30% Materials
> 30% Labor
> 30% Overhead
> 10% Profit
> ++++++++++++++++++
> 100% = Sell Price
>
> Sometimes you need to massage the labor and material numbers a little bit.
>
> For example, if the materials used have a lot of waste, might use only
> 10%-15% for materials.
>
> It works for me.
>
> YMMV
>
> Lew
>

--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to [email protected] (paul flint) on 22/02/2005 12:21 PM

22/02/2005 9:08 PM


"paul flint" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Iam looking for a good sorce of imfo for build up labour rates for
> making custom joinery from windows to stairs .I know that all
> workshops are different ,and people do things in a different way ,but
> all the same looking for some imfo that i can bulid on in spread sheet
> format . Thanks

I bill $100 an hour, four hour minimum. I don't to stairs but the Florida
stairman does.

LH

Lew Hodgett

in reply to [email protected] (paul flint) on 22/02/2005 12:21 PM

23/02/2005 12:01 AM

paul flint wrote:
> Iam looking for a good sorce of imfo for build up labour rates for
> making custom joinery from windows to stairs .I know that all
> workshops are different ,and people do things in a different way ,but
> all the same looking for some imfo that i can bulid on in spread sheet
> format . Thanks

There is an old formula that applies to almost any manufacturing
business that goes something like this:

30% Materials
30% Labor
30% Overhead
10% Profit
++++++++++++++++++
100% = Sell Price

Sometimes you need to massage the labor and material numbers a little bit.

For example, if the materials used have a lot of waste, might use only
10%-15% for materials.

It works for me.

YMMV

Lew

Wn

Will

in reply to [email protected] (paul flint) on 22/02/2005 12:21 PM

22/02/2005 11:12 PM

Well - I thought you had at least a reasonable answer. :-) I have
noticed that most people seem to forget that they are also charging for
the tools and transportation - not just labour and materials.

Last few car repairs I notice the shop rate varied form $65 to $105
depending on the shop and the overhead in terms of specialty equipment.

As long as you provide value for money people will pay your rate - no
matter how high or low.


Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Will" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>For whatever it is worth... After years of working with manufacturers,
>>they still seem to be fond of the "two times" table -- and if not they
>>seem to fail...
>>
>>+ Materials
>>+ Labor
>>+ Overhead
>>+ Contingency
>>_______________
>>
>>X 2
>>
>>= Selling price
>>
>>i.e. 50% profit
>>
>>
>
>
> In my industry we are lucky to sell at 2X material and still have to pay the
> labor, overhead, etc. Guess we are in the wrong business.
>
>

--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

Ba

B a r r y

in reply to [email protected] (paul flint) on 22/02/2005 12:21 PM

23/02/2005 12:00 PM

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> I bill $100 an hour, four hour minimum. I don't to stairs but the Florida
> stairman does.


Unless you actually ask him a stair question, then he disappears.

Barry


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