SketchUp Question

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just exploring some ideas for using SketchUp with other technology for
> presentation and marketing:
>
> ~Sketchup Kitchen Part 1 - The Planning:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YLc1lT-sk
>
> ~Sketchup Kitchen Part 2 - The End Product:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3yUsSQ5E0:
>
> Again, First efforts ...
>
> Comments welcome (other than hiring another announcer...) :)
>
> --
Looks good Karl. Really easy to understand. And the announcer has a
charming sourthern accent. Ne need to hire another.

The different perspectives of the kitchen was really compelling and would
impress many folks. From a pure marketing perspective, this would be
something to emphasize. Any way you can do a little show and tell with the
technical wizardy of Skeptchup, you should do it. Things that come to mind
are;

1. Let people know that you can download a "show and tell" presentation onto
their own computer. If you can make an independent presentation, it can do
all kinds of warm and fuzzy interaction with the client without you being
there. And they can run around and do some show and tell on behalf of your
company. Alway include contact info on your presentations.

2. Emphasize customability and personalization. Does the missus like to
bake? Does the family need a freezer nearby? Another sink? Is anybody real
short or tall? Liquor and/or wine storage/display. Small children. Etc.
And then create the best of options presentation. Do some variations that
really off the customization.

Remember, when people make money decisions, they like to make choices. They
don't like to be railroaded into one option. Give them choices. Even if you
know what they are going to do ahead of time, they will appreciate it that
you gave them some choices. Part of that "gentle hand" marketing.

3. I like the narration. It adds to the presentation and allows you to say
things that may not be apparent to the layperson. Keep it simple and homey.
That puts folks at ease. They don't want to buy from a high pressure
salesman. Nor do most people trust "marketing speak".

4. Create a reference library. Some folks really like to do their homework.
If you have a number of presentations all ready to go, that goes a long way
towards make folks comfortable about talking to you and asking you to draw
something up for them.

This is different than references, photos or a resume. This show you in a
thinking, designing, customization capacity. High tech tools, yet simple
enough that they can be displayed easily and understood by almost anyone.
You can't go wrong with that approach. Particularly since you have all the
other traditional things to back this sort of thing up.

5 Create some kind of initial response form. Keep it simple. Make it easy
for people to get a hold of you. Leave it open to what specifically you can
do. (You are versatile. You can do anything, right?)

6. Create a suggestions form and procedure. You want to hear all their
ideas. This created talking points for you in your preseentation. You can
include and/or exclude specific suggestions and give reasons why. By
intercting directly with their suggestions, you are responding specically to
their concerns. People like that.

7. Sketchup is a tool that is very accessable. Big buck CAD programs could
not do what you are doing with this, particlarly in terms of making it
simple for the customer. Make this a selling point. "We don't wanna pay
the big bucks and spend all that time on the traditional approaches. So we
use sketchup. " This is contemporary, low cost tool that allow a high level
of creativity and service. And you are doing it.

That's all I can come up with off the top of my head.

Gotta run. Keep up the good work Karl.

"Swingman" wrote
>
> Thank you VERY much for taking the time and effort to respond in such a
> valuable manner, really crystallized many of the thoughts I hadn't put
> into words yet ... I owe you one/two/or more, Bubba! :)
>
> --
Thank you sir.

You are one of the good guys.

Happy to help.

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:09:59 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On 12/31/2009 11:02 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>>> Here's a prntscrn dump of my SU plug-in directory:
>>>
>>> http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/PlugInDir.jpg
>>>
>>> As you can see, a good many are for construction and not woodworking.
>>
>> Cool! I see there are ruby scripts for timberframers, too. Whuffo
>> you no gots? How many of those did you buy? sMustard and...what
>> else, if I may ask?
>
>These were all free, IIRC ... I don't remember ever spending a penny on
>plug-ins.

I saw the $79 price on the grab-it-all from sMustard, so I thought you
might have done that.


>I rarely use most except for construction stuff, mainly for stairs,
>floor joists, and frame walls with windows, doors and headers for same.
>These were all free, if I'm not mistaken.

Even better!


>The cutlist plugin (free), which exports to CutListPlus, is something I
>do use for woodworking, and I'm pretty sure that Leon makes good use of
>it also.

Bueno, bwana.

I'll definitely be installing SketchUp on the new box, if I EVER get
to it. With all this rain, I'm happy to have a couple new websites to
do right now.

--
Sex is Evil, Evil is Sin, Sin is Forgiven.
Gee, ain't religion GREAT?

On Dec 31, 12:09=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/31/2009 11:02 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> >> Here's a prntscrn dump of my SU plug-in directory:
>
> >>http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/PlugInDir.jpg
>
> >> As you can see, a good many are for construction and not woodworking.
>
> > Cool! =A0I see there are ruby scripts for timberframers, too. =A0Whuffo
> > you no gots? =A0How many of those did you buy? =A0sMustard and...what
> > else, if I may ask?
>
> These were all free, IIRC ... I don't remember ever spending a penny on
> plug-ins.
>
> I rarely use most except for construction stuff, mainly for stairs,
> floor joists, and frame walls with windows, doors and headers for same.
> These were all free, if I'm not mistaken.
>
> The cutlist plugin (free), which exports to CutListPlus, is something I
> do use for woodworking, and I'm pretty sure that Leon makes good use of
> it also.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

Cutlists are way cool. The one I now use allows for grain orientation,
tool diameter, etc. (I'm sorry, it is a bit of a drive-by)
http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/aspire/whats_new/aspire_v2/whats_new=
_nesting.htm

On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:25:01 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On 1/3/2010 10:31 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Cool! Youtube works, but for clients, I'd strongly recommend putting
>> them on your own website. Then when they sent friends to look, they
>> can see your work, too, and the rest of your offerings. If you don't
>> have a website now, try hosting with Lunar Pages. Minimalist at $3/mo,
>> more stuff at $8/mo, $6/mo if you buy a few years at a time. I do the
>> latter. http://www.lunarpages.com/id/diversifycom
>> Disclaimer: You don't pay more but I get a bonus from your signup if
>> you use my link there. I've been working with LP with other clients
>> for 5 years and now have both my websites hosted there. Good folks.
>
>The same old signature block I've had for years ... :)

I knew that. (I just didn't remember it. See, guys? When you form
your signatures properly and they don't get sucked into the reply,
people forget! That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.)


>> YouTube sez: "The URL contained a malformed video ID."
>
>I haven't noticed a problem on a couple of computers, but I'll check it
>out. Thanks ...

I think you gave the repaired URL in a later message with the note "My
T-bird ate my URL." or sumpin'.


>> Get that announcer voice lessons, Karl. He sounds like a damned
>> Texican. That simply _can't_ be good for business.<bseg>
>
>You might be right about that.

I was kidding. You have a good, clear, and friendly presentation
voice, Karl.

--
Society is produced by our wants and government by our wickedness.
--Thomas Paine

Larry Jaques (whose munged e-mail address confuses KNode) wrote:

> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:01:56 -0600, the infamous Swingman
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>Just exploring some ideas for using SketchUp with other technology for
>>presentation and marketing:
>>
>>~Sketchup Kitchen Part 1 - The Planning:
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YLc1lT-sk
>
... snip

Looks pretty neat, but I was disappointed that there was no scenery behind
that window and that you didn't show what was in the cabinets or drawers.


>
>
>>~Sketchup Kitchen Part 2 - The End Product:
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3yUsSQ5E0:
>>
>>Again, First efforts ...
>
> YouTube sez: "The URL contained a malformed video ID."
>
>
>>Comments welcome (other than hiring another announcer...) :)
>
> Get that announcer voice lessons, Karl. He sounds like a damned
> Texican. That simply _can't_ be good for business. <bseg>
>

Heh, I *know* someone who sounds just like him. I'd do business with the
person on the other end of that voice. :-)


> --
> Society is produced by our wants and government by our wickedness.
> --Thomas Paine

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On Dec 29, 10:20=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> Shoot anything with an 'i' in front of it.
>
> Please.

LOL

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Turner" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: SketchUp Question - Must View


> On 12/30/2009 2:48 PM, Leon wrote:
>> "RonB"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> The most beneficial tools that turned the light bulb on for me when
>> learning
>> Sketchup were the simple video tutorials.
>> Once you understand how Sketchup actually works you can easily learn the
>> program and then you can add which ever of the hundreds and hundreds of
>> available tools you may want to add.
>>
>> (Still a hell of a lot of control buttons around the edges though :^})
>>
>> The actual program comes with noticably few command icons and they will
>> do
>> everything you need to learn the program.
>
> So I presume most of those icons are a result of installing various
> "plugins":


Probably. I am only showing/using 72 icons on my version. Of those icons I
probably only use 20 regularily and of those 20 many are simply different
view icons. And I typically use a simple keyboard command in place of
clicking on an icon.

99% of the time I use

"L" for line, "P" for push/pull, "M" for move, "M + CTL" for copy. "T"
for measure, "Space Bar" for select. "Space Bar + CTL" for multiple
erase...

AND THE MOST IMPORTANT KEY OF ALL

The letter "G" to make a group of lines that look like a piece of wood into
a "COMPONENT" You do not have to name it when prompted if you dont want to,
a default name will be provided.

> http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/download/plugins.html
>
> Any recommended "must haves" from this list?


Google Sketchup Plugins and you will get a load of web sites with plugins.

Some sites I like are

http://www.crai.archi.fr/RubyLibraryDepot/Ruby/en_sections.html
https://sites.google.com/site/sketchupsage/tweak
http://www.srww.com/blog/?p=117
http://www.srww.com/google-sketchup.htm
http://www.smustard.com/ Smustard even has a plugin to take you to their
site to down load plugins. ;~) Some are pay plug ins.


Plugins I like to have extra

The Angle Dimension plug in.
The Cut List 4.0 plug in for transfering your components in the CutListPro
opt program. Becareful there are other Cutlist plug ins that IMHO are not
as good as CUTLIST "4.0".

And others which I have probably forgotten about due to lack of use.

I also like to assign short cut key strokes to the frequently used icons. I
forget where to look but there is a page to print that lists all the short
cut key commands and mouse functions. I like to orbit by clicking and
holding my middle mouse button and moving the mouse, or in my case my center
scroll wheel and thumb ball. I prefer to not click on icons unless
necessary, I'd rather press a key or two.

On Dec 29, 10:48=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon wrote:
> > "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the li=
nk
> >> below is a must view video:
>
> >>http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-..=
.
>
> >> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
> >> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>
> >> +10
>
> > Did you notice how many tool icons there were on his version of Sketchu=
p?
> > LOL
>
> > Good Video.
>
> No kidding ... with that many, even if I plugged my laptop into the 24"
> office monitor, there would hardly be room to see the drawing.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

Thatsawhy I put all my tools on the flaptop and the drawing on the
larger monitor. Works on both my flaptopPC/samsung monitors and my
Apple/Sony combo's Mouse (trackballs actually) flies through the air
between them.

I recently bought a Wacom Graphire tablet which has a whole lot more
features than my old Artz. It has a scroll wheel and assignable
buttons. Just a fabulous tool. And the software came with MacOS and PC
drivers so it is plug and play portability between my home office and
my shop. The tablet, aside an old Kensington track ball, makes for
very accurate and lightning fast navigation. (Only because I'm used to
it, I can't say I recommend that set-up to anybody.)
Also, it came with the latest Adobe Photoshop Elements. Going over the
features it has now, it makes me a bit pissed at having paid for a
full Photoshop some years back.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:16:17 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On Dec 29, 10:48 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>> > "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
>> >> below is a must view video:
>>
>> >>http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-...
>>
>> >> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
>> >> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>>
>> >> +10
>>
>> > Did you notice how many tool icons there were on his version of Sketchup?
>> > LOL
>>
>> > Good Video.
>>
>> No kidding ... with that many, even if I plugged my laptop into the 24"
>> office monitor, there would hardly be room to see the drawing.
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 10/22/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
>Thatsawhy I put all my tools on the flaptop and the drawing on the
>larger monitor. Works on both my flaptopPC/samsung monitors and my
>Apple/Sony combo's Mouse (trackballs actually) flies through the air
>between them.
>
>I recently bought a Wacom Graphire tablet which has a whole lot more
>features than my old Artz. It has a scroll wheel and assignable
>buttons. Just a fabulous tool. And the software came with MacOS and PC
>drivers so it is plug and play portability between my home office and
>my shop. The tablet, aside an old Kensington track ball, makes for
>very accurate and lightning fast navigation. (Only because I'm used to
>it, I can't say I recommend that set-up to anybody.)
>Also, it came with the latest Adobe Photoshop Elements. Going over the
>features it has now, it makes me a bit pissed at having paid for a
>full Photoshop some years back.

I just had to buy a USB to Parallel adapter, and I still haven't
figured out how I'll get my old DB9 + wall wart plugged into my new
portless computer. Is there an adapter for the ArtZ to USB, Toy?
I still have to reinstall all my old progs and learn the ins and outs
of Win7, too. <sigh>

--
It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars.
-- Garrison Keillor

For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
below is a must view video:

http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process

Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
learn by taking the time to just run through it once.

+10

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

In article <[email protected]>, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."

"Downed all over Kent, just like the Luftwaffe."

<http://www.shepherd-neame.co.uk/humour/wallpaper1999/downed.bmp>

On 1/3/2010 11:30 PM, Mike M wrote:
> I was really impressed with the first one. If the second one was
> other then pictures of the final installation I'm really impressed. I
> think your steps ahead of your competitors in a tough market.

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3yUsSQ5E0

Thanks, although I'm not sure what you mean about being "other then" in
the second sentence?

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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:8d41305c-4d85-4a38-b4d0-7b8e06ea8ec6@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

You know, I have been resisting SketchUp because I didn't want to
invest the time in learning the software. I was CAD trained years ago
(early 80's) but never used it enough to get proficient. Worked for
years with a bunch of CATIA operators and that software takes a long
time to gain proficiency. I wanted to spend time doing woodwork, not
learning software.

But after looking at the video, I'm going to download SketchUp and
start playing. I can see where it might replace my old drafting
equipment some day.

I was formally taught on the board with the T-square and triangles, and to
toot my own horn was pretty good at. I was placing high in college
competition drawing contests when in HS.
For other reasons I did not pursue that path in college or in my career.

I am totally self taught on CAD programs starting with IMSI Designer in 1986
and strictly using arrow keys for defined units of measure and no pointing
device to Auto CAD LT. I thought AUtoCAD was simple,,, huh?

If you already have a working knowledge of CAD programs and how to draw,
Sketchup can be conquered. ;~)

The most beneficial tools that turned the light bulb on for me when learning
Sketchup were the simple video tutorials.
Once you understand how Sketchup actually works you can easily learn the
program and then you can add which ever of the hundreds and hundreds of
available tools you may want to add.


(Still a hell of a lot of control buttons around the edges though :^})

The actual program comes with noticably few command icons and they will do
everything you need to learn the program.

Robatoy wrote:


> I recently bought a Wacom Graphire tablet which has a whole lot more
> features than my old Artz. It has a scroll wheel and assignable
> buttons. Just a fabulous tool. And the software came with MacOS and PC
> drivers so it is plug and play portability between my home office and
> my shop. The tablet, aside an old Kensington track ball, makes for
> very accurate and lightning fast navigation. (Only because I'm used to
> it, I can't say I recommend that set-up to anybody.)
> Also, it came with the latest Adobe Photoshop Elements. Going over the
> features it has now, it makes me a bit pissed at having paid for a
> full Photoshop some years back.

That is indeed an amazing piece of technology at a helluva good price.

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www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 12/29/2009 9:48 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Leon wrote:

>> Did you notice how many tool icons there were on his version of
>> Sketchup? LOL
>>
>> Good Video.
>
> No kidding ... with that many, even if I plugged my laptop into the 24"
> office monitor, there would hardly be room to see the drawing.


http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/2009/12/advanced-guide-to-sketchup-toolbars.html

Case in point .... :)


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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Here's another "Must View", of SketchUp models this time, from Popular
Woodworking:

http://tinyurl.com/yzbjvz4

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?q=popular+woodworking&styp=c&btnG=Search

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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Dec 29, 1:56=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:79d7d14e-9fff-4fc8-9289-2f2d5fb8d189@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > :)
>
> > No, no. It's better than any CAD program, ever.
>
> Finally an opinion from somebody who has worked with all CAD programs.
> It still baffles me that I got anything done at all prior to
> SketchUp's arrival on the scene.
>
> Obviousely you still are not uusing Sketchup, you would know the differen=
ce
> otherwise. =A0;~)

Many people know that I am highly biased towards a program that I know
like the back of my hand and will never see a reason to switch. Who
knows? If somebody put the same academic effort into SketchUp as I did
my CAD, they could very well blow me away in all areas of CAD. In
fact, it is highly probable. But, so far, I have not seen anything
come out of SU that made me say: "OMG!!! I wish I could do that!!" Nor
is that likely to happen anytime soon. But, in all fairness, SU has
come a long way and I'm happy to see it create such a huge following.
It's a fantastic tool for the woodworker. They put a whole new meaning
to 'entry level' modeling software.
Kudos to Google for giving away software that people can use to
populate Google Earth with 3D buildings. Smart.
>
> I mean.. how did NASA EvAR get
> anything off the ground?
> <G>
>
> More like we now know why the Russians beat us up there.

Ooooooowaitasec... Leon is trying to trick me. *I* happen to know that
the Canadians got there first.

On Jan 3, 6:52=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/3/2010 5:29 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > Youtube was kind enough to ask me what else you posted. Hence I got to
> > see part deux.
>
> > That's pretty impressive there brother Karl. *S* Can it output to a
> > large format printer as well? If so, how big will it go at what
> > resolution?
>
> Danke ... I asked Dave Richards at FWW's "Design, Click, Build" blog
> what he was using as video screen capture software, and he was kind
> enough to reply back with "Snagit":
>
> http://www.techsmith.com/screen-capture.asp
>
> I'm just giving it a trial run. Not much of a learning curve and simple
> to operate. It does allow configurable printer options, but I haven't
> delved into that yet.
>
> I've been using in on my little Dell XPS10 laptop with the built-in mic,
> not a single hiccup (other than operator error) thus far.
>
> I'm trying to determine what blending of technologies is going to fit in
> well with the new website we're designing for the the home and kitchen
> cabinet business.
>
> These is all guinea pig fodder ... I kinda feel like the old days when I
> was playing bass live in the control room, while recording 7 pieces on
> the other side of the glass, and being engineer and producer at the same
> time.
>
> Something's gotta suffer ...
>
or manifest itself as a source of inspiration.

On Dec 31, 7:00=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:1173ee01-764e-4547-8ab0-0ef1c47990ed@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Cutlists are way cool. The one I now use allows for grain orientation,
> tool diameter, etc. (I'm sorry, it is a bit of a drive-by)http://www.vect=
ric.com/WebSite/Vectric/aspire/whats_new/aspire_v2/wha...
>
> Now allows grain orientation???? =A0I thought all of them had that....yea=
rs
> ago.

Errrrmmm on straight boards, yes. On random shapes? Years ago? Okay
then. *S*

Shoot anything with an 'i' in front of it.

Please.

On Jan 3, 6:01=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just exploring some ideas for using SketchUp with other technology for
> presentation and marketing:
>
> ~Sketchup Kitchen Part 1 - The Planning:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Db7YLc1lT-sk
>
> ~Sketchup Kitchen Part 2 - The End Product:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ddp3yUsSQ5E0:
>
> Again, First efforts ...
>
> Comments welcome (other than hiring another announcer...) :)
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

Youtube was kind enough to ask me what else you posted. Hence I got to
see part deux.

That's pretty impressive there brother Karl. *S* Can it output to a
large format printer as well? If so, how big will it go at what
resolution?

I was assuming that Part 2 was pictures of the final project after
installation as oppossed to a sketchup version. And yes the kitchen
looks spectacular. If the second one is sketchup then I'm blown away
by what you can do.

Mike M

On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:38:34 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 1/3/2010 11:30 PM, Mike M wrote:
>> I was really impressed with the first one. If the second one was
>> other then pictures of the final installation I'm really impressed. I
>> think your steps ahead of your competitors in a tough market.
>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3yUsSQ5E0
>
>Thanks, although I'm not sure what you mean about being "other then" in
>the second sentence?

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:13:45 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On 12/30/2009 3:49 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
>>> Any recommended "must haves" from this list?
>>
>> There are NO icons that are unique to the Pro version.
>>
>> Many of those icons are most likely from plug-ins, but it is ridiculous
>> to have that many, IMO.
>>
>> I posted a picture of my plug-in directory a month or so back ... I'll
>> see if I can bump it up. None of mine have icons on the tool bar, the
>> few I do use are in a drop down list boxes under "Plug-ins".
>
>Here's a prntscrn dump of my SU plug-in directory:
>
>http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/PlugInDir.jpg
>
>As you can see, a good many are for construction and not woodworking.

Cool! I see there are ruby scripts for timberframers, too. Whuffo
you no gots? How many of those did you buy? sMustard and...what
else, if I may ask?

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Gee, ain't religion GREAT?

On Dec 31, 7:55=A0pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:20:10 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Dec 31, 12:09=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On 12/31/2009 11:02 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> >> >> Here's a prntscrn dump of my SU plug-in directory:
>
> >> >>http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/PlugInDir.jpg
>
> >> >> As you can see, a good many are for construction and not woodworkin=
g.
>
> >> > Cool! =A0I see there are ruby scripts for timberframers, too. =A0Whu=
ffo
> >> > you no gots? =A0How many of those did you buy? =A0sMustard and...wha=
t
> >> > else, if I may ask?
>
> >> These were all free, IIRC ... I don't remember ever spending a penny o=
n
> >> plug-ins.
>
> >> I rarely use most except for construction stuff, mainly for stairs,
> >> floor joists, and frame walls with windows, doors and headers for same=
.
> >> These were all free, if I'm not mistaken.
>
> >> The cutlist plugin (free), which exports to CutListPlus, is something =
I
> >> do use for woodworking, and I'm pretty sure that Leon makes good use o=
f
> >> it also.
>
> >> --www.e-woodshop.net
> >> Last update: 10/22/08
> >> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> >Cutlists are way cool. The one I now use allows for grain orientation,
> >tool diameter, etc. (I'm sorry, it is a bit of a drive-by)
> >http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/aspire/whats_new/aspire_v2/wha...
>
> What, 'only' $2,000? =A0I'll take two! =A0Hey, I saw a reference to Steve
> Knight in their gallery. =A0He evidently has a ShopBot and V-carve.
>
> I was very impressed with SoftPlan's cutlist and BOM listings. It's
> roughly $3k, as is ChiefArchitect. =A0(Scratch those, damnit.)
>
> OK, SketchUp free version it is.
>
Knighttools is a well respected participant on more than one forum.
Even though I don't run a Shopbot, I get most of my 'inside scoop'
from their sign making forum.
The Vectric forum is also very useful and more specific to their
software. Those Vectric people are some very fine folk. (BTW, the
Partsworks pgm that comes with ShopBot is a Vectric product.)

Jack Stein wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the
>> link below is a must view video:
>>
>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>>
>>
>> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
>> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>
>> +10
>
> Excellent Swing. Here's another that I'd say is a prerequisite for that
> one. Much of the same stuff, a bit slower and also a must for the
> woodworker. Once you learn the basics and the hot keys, this one is
> excellent to follow along with Sketchup in one window, and the tutorial
> in another.
>
> http://garykatz.blip.tv/file/2375765/
>

Yeah, Buddy ... Gary Katz has a great website for woodworkers in
general. For those who haven't visited it, it is worth the trip.

Thanks for the heads-up, Jack!

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On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:44:11 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>Here's another "Must View", of SketchUp models this time, from Popular
>Woodworking:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/yzbjvz4
>
>http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?q=popular+woodworking&styp=c&btnG=Search

Excellent! Thanks for sharing it with us.

--
We rightly care about the environment. But our neurotic obsession
with carbon betrays an inability to distinguish between pollution
and the stuff of life itself. --Bret Stephens, WSJ 1/5/10

On Dec 29, 11:43=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/29/09 9:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
> > -MIKE- wrote:
> >>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the l=
ink
> >>> below is a must view video:
>
> >>>http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-.=
..
>
> >> Sketchup has to be the best CAD program ever made.
>
> > Careful now ... that is akin to a religious statement around here.
> > SketchUp is "3d modeling" software and not "CAD" in the technical sense=
.
>
> > :)
>
> No, no. =A0It's better than any CAD program, ever.
>

Finally an opinion from somebody who has worked with all CAD programs.
It still baffles me that I got anything done at all prior to
SketchUp's arrival on the scene. I mean.. how did NASA EvAR get
anything off the ground?
<G>
.
.
.
...other than that.....nice try, Mike.

On Dec 29, 7:05=A0pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:00:14 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Dec 29, 11:43=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On 12/29/09 9:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
> >> > -MIKE- wrote:
> >> >>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects th=
e link
> >> >>> below is a must view video:
>
> >> >>>http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstratin=
g-...
>
> >> >> Sketchup has to be the best CAD program ever made.
>
> >> > Careful now ... that is akin to a religious statement around here.
> >> > SketchUp is "3d modeling" software and not "CAD" in the technical se=
nse.
>
> >> > :)
>
> >> No, no. =A0It's better than any CAD program, ever.
>
> >Finally an opinion from somebody who has worked with all CAD programs.
> >It still baffles me that I got anything done at all prior to
> >SketchUp's arrival on the scene. I mean.. how did NASA EvAR get
> >anything off the ground?
> ><G>
>
> Try giving the program to 157 people at one time and allowing several
> million dollars and several years for each project, no matter how
> small. =A0_That_ is how NASA does things.
>
> And they still missed a simple thing like expansion/freezing rates for
> rubber o-rings... =A0<sigh>
>
> --
> It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 -- Garrison Keillor

They didn't miss the O-ring issue. They knew all about it. MT
engineers fired off all kinds of warnings. They took a gamble based on
politics and lost. THAT is the sad part.

On Dec 29, 8:38=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
> below is a must view video:
>
> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-...
>
> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>

You know, I have been resisting SketchUp because I didn't want to
invest the time in learning the software. I was CAD trained years ago
(early 80's) but never used it enough to get proficient. Worked for
years with a bunch of CATIA operators and that software takes a long
time to gain proficiency. I wanted to spend time doing woodwork, not
learning software.

But after looking at the video, I'm going to download SketchUp and
start playing. I can see where it might replace my old drafting
equipment some day.

(Still a hell of a lot of control buttons around the edges though :^})

Thanks for the link .... I think.

RonB

On Dec 29, 7:50=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Dec 29, 7:40=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > Try giving the program to 157 people at one time and allowing several
> > > million dollars and several years for each project, no matter how
> > > small. =A0_That_ is how NASA does things.
>
> > > And they still missed a simple thing like expansion/freezing rates fo=
r
> > > rubber o-rings... =A0<sigh>
>
> > And errrr uh.... =A0The kilomete /mile calculation that shot millions i=
nto the
> > Mars surface.
>
> THAT was Bush's fault.

Or was it Clinton's fault......?

Robatoy wrote:

> On Dec 29, 7:50 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Dec 29, 7:40 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > > Try giving the program to 157 people at one time and allowing several
>> > > million dollars and several years for each project, no matter how
>> > > small.  _That_ is how NASA does things.
>>
>> > > And they still missed a simple thing like expansion/freezing rates
>> > > for rubber o-rings...  <sigh>
>>
>> > And errrr uh....  The kilomete /mile calculation that shot millions
>> > into the Mars surface.
>>
>> THAT was Bush's fault.
>
> Or was it Clinton's fault......?

Think that one occurred during the 90's under Clinton's watch.

Not that there's any correlation -- stuff happens despite rigorous
testing. Could just as easily have been a m / km unit problem and they'd
have still been off by 3 orders of magnitude. Systems Engineering is a
discipline that requires both top-level thinking and tedious attention to
detail.

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Rob Leatham

-MIKE- wrote:

> On 12/29/09 11:59 AM, dpb wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 12/29/09 9:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the
>>>>>> link
>>>>>> below is a must view video:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-
my-drawing-process
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sketchup has to be the best CAD program ever made.
>>>>
>>>> Careful now ... that is akin to a religious statement around here.
>>>> SketchUp is "3d modeling" software and not "CAD" in the technical
>>>> sense.
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, no. It's better than any CAD program, ever.
>>
>> For some specific definition of "better"...
>>
>> --
>
> It's free and it does everything the $500 programs do, and much better.
>
>

Except run under Linux. :-(



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Rob Leatham

On 12/30/2009 2:47 PM, Steve Turner wrote:

> where it tells me to "Select any rectangle tool" (where it shows four
> different icons, one of which is the rounded rectangle I'd love to
> select), but my free version of SketchUp only has one. This
> functionality is apparently part of the "LayOut" product:
>
> http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/product/layout.html
>
> Which is only included in the Pro version of SketchUp.

Au contraire ... the Pro version ONLY has one rectangle tool ALSO. :)

Forget about Layout ... it is NOT a 3D modeling tool!!!

The Layout program only has 2D boxes for putting text in for
presentation, just like Microsoft word would do, it NOT used in any way,
shape, or form, for doing 3D models!

3D Models are brought into Layout, which has some basic 2D drawing tools
strictly for creating "presentations".

You can't create 3D models with Layout!

>> I will state unequivocally that I have NEVER modeled anything in the Pro
>> version that I couldn't do in the free version. AAMOF, I only have the
>> Pro version on my laptop. Both the shop and office version I'm using the
>> free version.
>>
>> Again, anyone who told you different is entirely wrong.
>>
>> What you want to do is so simple that you will kick yourself for not
>> snapping to it! :)
>
> I spent all the time I did knowing full well there was probably an
> alternate way of doing it (as you're about to explain), but by the time
> I finished arriving at that conclusion I was already ticked enough to
> close the program and walk away.


Alright ... WARNING: this is a real elementary quickie that is not
nearly the best representation of a mattress that I could do with SU,
but it didn't take 30 seconds to do the model, and less than five
minutes to do the whole damn tutorial thing, get it on the website, and
write this backatcha ... but I too have to go make a quality Czech:

http://www.e-woodshop.net/files/MattressTutorial.zip

:)

If you need more, let me know ...

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On 1/4/2010 8:11 PM, Mike M wrote:
> I was assuming that Part 2 was pictures of the final project after
> installation as oppossed to a sketchup version. And yes the kitchen
> looks spectacular. If the second one is sketchup then I'm blown away
> by what you can do.

Ahhsoo ... no the second is the real thing. Probably the lousy
photography threw you. :)

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-MIKE- wrote:
>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
>> below is a must view video:
>>
>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>>
>>
>
> Sketchup has to be the best CAD program ever made.

Careful now ... that is akin to a religious statement around here.
SketchUp is "3d modeling" software and not "CAD" in the technical sense.

:)

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On 12/29/2009 9:48 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Leon wrote:

>> Did you notice how many tool icons there were on his version of
>> Sketchup? LOL
>>
>> Good Video.
>
> No kidding ... with that many, even if I plugged my laptop into the 24"
> office monitor, there would hardly be room to see the drawing.


http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/2009/12/advanced-guide-to-sketchup-toolbars.html

Case in point .... :)


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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:b036d20d-867d-478a-b78b-2ddd8fb57037@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 5, 9:00 am, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>
> I was kidding. You have a good, clear, and friendly presentation
> voice, Karl.
>

He has an accent.


Karl does not have an accent, Y'all have an accent, eh? ;~)

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
> below is a must view video:
>
> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>
> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>
> +10


Did you notice how many tool icons there were on his version of Sketchup?
LOL

Good Video.

Actually if you search for a "video" tutorial it may be much easier to
understand than the one you referenced.

"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Try giving the program to 157 people at one time and allowing several
> million dollars and several years for each project, no matter how
> small. _That_ is how NASA does things.
>
> And they still missed a simple thing like expansion/freezing rates for
> rubber o-rings... <sigh>



And errrr uh.... The kilomete /mile calculation that shot millions into the
Mars surface.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:79d7d14e-9fff-4fc8-9289-2f2d5fb8d189@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > :)
>
> No, no. It's better than any CAD program, ever.
>

Finally an opinion from somebody who has worked with all CAD programs.
It still baffles me that I got anything done at all prior to
SketchUp's arrival on the scene.

Obviousely you still are not uusing Sketchup, you would know the difference
otherwise. ;~)

I mean.. how did NASA EvAR get
anything off the ground?
<G>


More like we now know why the Russians beat us up there.

On 1/3/2010 10:31 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

> Cool! Youtube works, but for clients, I'd strongly recommend putting
> them on your own website. Then when they sent friends to look, they
> can see your work, too, and the rest of your offerings. If you don't
> have a website now, try hosting with Lunar Pages. Minimalist at $3/mo,
> more stuff at $8/mo, $6/mo if you buy a few years at a time. I do the
> latter. http://www.lunarpages.com/id/diversifycom
> Disclaimer: You don't pay more but I get a bonus from your signup if
> you use my link there. I've been working with LP with other clients
> for 5 years and now have both my websites hosted there. Good folks.

The same old signature block I've had for years ... :)

> YouTube sez: "The URL contained a malformed video ID."

I haven't noticed a problem on a couple of computers, but I'll check it
out. Thanks ...

> Get that announcer voice lessons, Karl. He sounds like a damned
> Texican. That simply _can't_ be good for business.<bseg>

You might be right about that.

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I have seen a little of this tool and I am now
convinced, this is something worth learning.

Bravo.

Swingman wrote:
> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
> below is a must view video:
>
> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>
>
> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>
> +10
>

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 12/29/2009 9:48 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>
>>> Did you notice how many tool icons there were on his version of
>>> Sketchup? LOL
>>>
>>> Good Video.
>>
>> No kidding ... with that many, even if I plugged my laptop into the 24"
>> office monitor, there would hardly be room to see the drawing.
>
>
> http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/2009/12/advanced-guide-to-sketchup-toolbars.html
>
> Case in point .... :)

Now that is funny...I don't care who...

Leon wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
>> below is a must view video:
>>
>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>>
>> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
>> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>>
>> +10
>
>
> Did you notice how many tool icons there were on his version of Sketchup?
> LOL
>
> Good Video.

No kidding ... with that many, even if I plugged my laptop into the 24"
office monitor, there would hardly be room to see the drawing.

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On 12/30/2009 2:17 PM, Steve Turner wrote:

> All you bastids and your raves about SketchUp... I'm like RonB; I've
> been a TurboCAD nut for the past 10 years or so, but every once in a
> while (mainly due to all you guys raving about it here on the wreck) I
> make the attempt to gain some ground with SketchUp, and I always fail
> miserably. This time I bring it up (and install the NEW version, for the
> 27th time), and the *first* thing I want to do is draw a simple rounded
> rectangle and extrude it (push/pull in SketchUp speak) into the shape of
> a mattress. Do you think I can figure out how to draw a simple "rounded
> rectangle"? Hell no! According to the online help (which never seems to
> match the version I'm using), there IS such a function, but only after
> about an hour of piddling around I finally figure out it only comes in
> the PRO version of SketchUp, and I'll be damned if I'm spending $500 on
> that! That's almost as much as the latest version of TurboCAD Pro, and
> there ain't NO software product that's going to force that much money
> out of my wallet...

Not true at all, Steve.

There is NO functional difference in the Free and Pro versions when it
comes to modeling.

The difference is in importing/exporting, and presentation using the
Layout program which comes with the Pro version.

I will state unequivocally that I have NEVER modeled anything in the Pro
version that I couldn't do in the free version. AAMOF, I only have the
Pro version on my laptop. Both the shop and office version I'm using the
free version.

Again, anyone who told you different is entirely wrong.

What you want to do is so simple that you will kick yourself for not
snapping to it! :)

Make your rectangle using the rectangle too; use the Arc tool to make
your rounded corners in the rectangle; Erase the corners; Use the
Push/Pull tool to lift the face of the now rounded rectangle up to the
desire thickness of the mattress.

If you want, I'll do a quick tutorial for you.

Just let me know and I'll post it on my website for download and post
the link here.

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Leon wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>> > And errrr uh.... � The kilomete /mile calculation that shot millions
>>>> > into the Mars surface.
>>>>
>>>> THAT was Bush's fault.
>>>
>>> Or was it Clinton's fault......?
>>
>> Think that one occurred during the 90's under Clinton's watch.
>>
>> Not that there's any correlation -- stuff happens despite rigorous
>> testing. Could just as easily have been a m / km unit problem and they'd
>> have still been off by 3 orders of magnitude. Systems Engineering is a
>> discipline that requires both top-level thinking and tedious attention to
>> detail.
>
>
> Which is exactly why one would think that this kind of mistake should not
> have been made. I think NASA would fall under the group of Systems
> Engineers that would absolutely require top-level thinking and tedious
> attention to detail.
>
> IMHO it seems only common sense that one unit of measure should be adopted
> and all others NEVER be allowed.

Doesn't always work that way. As I pointed out above, the same thing
could have occurred with a meter/kilometer interface error (or cm / meter
interface discrepancy). This isn't just a refusal on the part of one group
to adapt to someone else's units. In real-time embedded systems, it is
often the case that various order of magnitude selections are made in order
to preserve numerical precision in calculations. So, if a certain control
requires cm or other small unit precision, it is not practical to use that
order of magnitude for guidance that is working in km due to numeric
overflow issues.

I haven't seen the failure review report, but it is possible that the
units chosen made sense because of available data and the units in those
databases. Usually decisions made have some rational basis, particularly in
projects of this magnitude. The problem is that sometimes those decisions
don't get appropriately communicated between groups working on subsystems of
those very large projects.

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Rob Leatham

Robatoy wrote:


> I recently bought a Wacom Graphire tablet which has a whole lot more
> features than my old Artz. It has a scroll wheel and assignable
> buttons. Just a fabulous tool. And the software came with MacOS and PC
> drivers so it is plug and play portability between my home office and
> my shop. The tablet, aside an old Kensington track ball, makes for
> very accurate and lightning fast navigation. (Only because I'm used to
> it, I can't say I recommend that set-up to anybody.)
> Also, it came with the latest Adobe Photoshop Elements. Going over the
> features it has now, it makes me a bit pissed at having paid for a
> full Photoshop some years back.

That is indeed an amazing piece of technology at a helluva good price.

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On 12/31/2009 7:09 PM, Robatoy wrote:

> The Vectric forum is also very useful and more specific to their
> software. Those Vectric people are some very fine folk. (BTW, the
> Partsworks pgm that comes with ShopBot is a Vectric product.)

That's a whole 'nother world there, brother Rob ... makes me tired
thinking about what it would take to just get started.

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Bill wrote:

> Is there a way to get a "perfect fit into the dado? The advantage to this
> would be that you could messure the size of
> the pieces after you build/design a project. Is there better way to
> approach this with SketchUp?

Many ways to do it, but one of the easiest is to to use "xray" view and
the Move tool to move the shelf into the hidden dado using the
appropriate corner/"inference" point.

To learn more about SU's "inference engine", which is extremely helpful
in placing components in a model:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFfmIgJqlIw

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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "
>
> Bill I posted a link to a a Beginners Sketchup tutorial. I learned from
> it!
> Some times things have to be done differently.
>
> Something you might try as illustraded in the video. Draw your sides with
> the dado's and convert into components. Then instead of drawing a shelf
> "out side the box" Start drawing the shelf using the inner dado corners
> as the limits/length and thickness of the shelf using the rectangle
> command. Basically start the rectangle in the top corner bottom of a dado
> and end in the opposite bottom corner of the dado. This should give you a
> rectangle the corect length inside the dado's. Then push that long narrow
> rectangle to the depth that you want or to an inferance point. AND then
> convert that shelf into a component.


An additional note, you mentioned hidden dado's. If you are using stopped
dados condiser using the method mentioned above from the back side where the
dado actually exits/starts. If stopped on both front and back use the
method above but turn on x-ray so that you can see the bottoms of the dado's
and draw the rectangle.

"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Snip

>
>> You may actually be trying too hard.
>
> No doubt I am. Once I finish off this Shiner Black Lager I might try
> again with a more relaxed approach. :-)

Seriousely, once you learn the concept to Sketchup you may find yourself
playing with it for fun.... imagine.







>
> --
> "Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
> (From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
> To reply, eat the taco.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

On 12/31/2009 11:02 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:

>> Here's a prntscrn dump of my SU plug-in directory:
>>
>> http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/PlugInDir.jpg
>>
>> As you can see, a good many are for construction and not woodworking.
>
> Cool! I see there are ruby scripts for timberframers, too. Whuffo
> you no gots? How many of those did you buy? sMustard and...what
> else, if I may ask?

These were all free, IIRC ... I don't remember ever spending a penny on
plug-ins.

I rarely use most except for construction stuff, mainly for stairs,
floor joists, and frame walls with windows, doors and headers for same.
These were all free, if I'm not mistaken.

The cutlist plugin (free), which exports to CutListPlus, is something I
do use for woodworking, and I'm pretty sure that Leon makes good use of
it also.

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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just exploring some ideas for using SketchUp with other technology for
> presentation and marketing:
>
> ~Sketchup Kitchen Part 1 - The Planning:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YLc1lT-sk
>
> ~Sketchup Kitchen Part 2 - The End Product:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3yUsSQ5E0:
>
> Again, First efforts ...
>
> Comments welcome (other than hiring another announcer...) :)


Looks pretty cool. I like the ideal of the link to Youtube rather than
e-mailing the file.

On Dec 31, 9:00=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/31/2009 7:09 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > The Vectric forum is also very useful and more specific to their
> > software. Those Vectric people are some very fine folk. (BTW, the
> > Partsworks pgm that comes with ShopBot is a Vectric product.)
>
> That's a whole 'nother world there, brother Rob ... makes me tired
> thinking about what it would take to just get started.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

You got the parts to make a system like that fly. You already
demonstrated the ability to tame the MR, a ShopBot would play right
into your hands.
No doubt in my mind.
A small company, with a limited amount of share holders. All private.
Put a clock on the work it does for which share holder. Each job owes
to the company.
Damn thing be paid off in a year. 20K$ gets you on your way, 30K$ does
it in style. Leon and you aren't maxing out your skillsets. All that
diversified knowledge and experience can manifest itself on a focal
plane which embraces modern technology and gives you guys a leg up on
anyone around you.
Just fucking do it.

I may have had a few snorts of brandy by now... <G> HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> > And errrr uh.... Â The kilomete /mile calculation that shot millions
>>> > into the Mars surface.
>>>
>>> THAT was Bush's fault.
>>
>> Or was it Clinton's fault......?
>
> Think that one occurred during the 90's under Clinton's watch.
>
> Not that there's any correlation -- stuff happens despite rigorous
> testing. Could just as easily have been a m / km unit problem and they'd
> have still been off by 3 orders of magnitude. Systems Engineering is a
> discipline that requires both top-level thinking and tedious attention to
> detail.


Which is exactly why one would think that this kind of mistake should not
have been made. I think NASA would fall under the group of Systems
Engineers that would absolutely require top-level thinking and tedious
attention to detail.

IMHO it seems only common sense that one unit of measure should be adopted
and all others NEVER be allowed.

On Jan 5, 9:00=A0am, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>
> I was kidding. You have a good, clear, and friendly presentation
> voice, Karl.
>

He has an accent.

On Dec 29, 7:40=A0pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:16:17 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Dec 29, 10:48=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Leon wrote:
> >> > "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the=
link
> >> >> below is a must view video:
>
> >> >>http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating=
-...
>
> >> >> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you w=
ill
> >> >> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>
> >> >> +10
>
> >> > Did you notice how many tool icons there were on his version of Sket=
chup?
> >> > LOL
>
> >> > Good Video.
>
> >> No kidding ... with that many, even if I plugged my laptop into the 24=
"
> >> office monitor, there would hardly be room to see the drawing.
>
> >> --www.e-woodshop.net
> >> Last update: 10/22/08
> >> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> >Thatsawhy I put all my tools on the flaptop and the drawing on the
> >larger monitor. Works on both my flaptopPC/samsung monitors and my
> >Apple/Sony combo's Mouse (trackballs actually) flies through the air
> >between them.
>
> >I recently bought a Wacom Graphire tablet which has a whole lot more
> >features than my old Artz. It has a scroll wheel and assignable
> >buttons. Just a fabulous tool. And the software came with MacOS and PC
> >drivers so it is plug and play portability between my home office and
> >my shop. The tablet, aside an old Kensington track ball, makes for
> >very accurate and lightning fast navigation. (Only because I'm used to
> >it, I can't say I recommend that set-up to anybody.)
> >Also, it came with the latest Adobe Photoshop Elements. Going over the
> >features it has now, it makes me a bit pissed at having paid for a
> >full Photoshop some years back.
>
> I just had to buy a USB to Parallel adapter, and I still haven't
> figured out how I'll get my old DB9 + wall wart plugged into my new
> portless computer. =A0Is there an adapter for the ArtZ to USB, Toy?
> I still have to reinstall all my old progs and learn the ins and outs
> of Win7, too. =A0<sigh>
>
> --
> It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 -- Garrison Keillor

We are all going to be using iSlates after Jan 26

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:14:21 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>-MIKE- wrote:
>
>> On 12/29/09 11:59 AM, dpb wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 12/29/09 9:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the
>>>>>>> link
>>>>>>> below is a must view video:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-
>my-drawing-process
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sketchup has to be the best CAD program ever made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Careful now ... that is akin to a religious statement around here.
>>>>> SketchUp is "3d modeling" software and not "CAD" in the technical
>>>>> sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, no. It's better than any CAD program, ever.
>>>
>>> For some specific definition of "better"...
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> It's free and it does everything the $500 programs do, and much better.
>>
>>
>
> Except run under Linux. :-(

Kwitcher Wineing?

--
It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars.
-- Garrison Keillor

On 1/3/2010 5:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
> Just exploring some ideas for using SketchUp with other technology for
> presentation and marketing:
>
> ~Sketchup Kitchen Part 1 - The Planning:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YLc1lT-sk
>
> ~Sketchup Kitchen Part 2 - The End Product:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3yUsSQ5E0
>
> Again, First efforts ...
>
> Comments welcome (other than hiring another announcer...) :)


Thunderbird edited the ":" in the original post and it ended up in the
Part 2 url, it should be:

Sketchup Kitchen Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3yUsSQ5E0

Sorry about that ...

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On 1/3/2010 5:29 PM, Robatoy wrote:

> Youtube was kind enough to ask me what else you posted. Hence I got to
> see part deux.
>
> That's pretty impressive there brother Karl. *S* Can it output to a
> large format printer as well? If so, how big will it go at what
> resolution?

Danke ... I asked Dave Richards at FWW's "Design, Click, Build" blog
what he was using as video screen capture software, and he was kind
enough to reply back with "Snagit":

http://www.techsmith.com/screen-capture.asp

I'm just giving it a trial run. Not much of a learning curve and simple
to operate. It does allow configurable printer options, but I haven't
delved into that yet.

I've been using in on my little Dell XPS10 laptop with the built-in mic,
not a single hiccup (other than operator error) thus far.

I'm trying to determine what blending of technologies is going to fit in
well with the new website we're designing for the the home and kitchen
cabinet business.

These is all guinea pig fodder ... I kinda feel like the old days when I
was playing bass live in the control room, while recording 7 pieces on
the other side of the glass, and being engineer and producer at the same
time.

Something's gotta suffer ...

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On Dec 29, 7:40=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > Try giving the program to 157 people at one time and allowing several
> > million dollars and several years for each project, no matter how
> > small. =A0_That_ is how NASA does things.
>
> > And they still missed a simple thing like expansion/freezing rates for
> > rubber o-rings... =A0<sigh>
>
> And errrr uh.... =A0The kilomete /mile calculation that shot millions int=
o the
> Mars surface.

THAT was Bush's fault.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:39:50 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On Dec 29, 10:20 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>> Shoot anything with an 'i' in front of it.
>>
>> Please.
>
>LOL

Don't forget the 'e's, too. ebooks for your iphone, E! online, eShop,
etc. [Since I've received far too much spicy goodness from eBay, I'll
forgo (_that_ word should have an e, though, damnit) condemning them,
though they haven't refunded the price of the fake thumb drive yet.
Case still pending, awaiting customer service reply Day 11.]

--
It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars.
-- Garrison Keillor

On 1/3/2010 6:37 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Swingman"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Just exploring some ideas for using SketchUp with other technology for
>> presentation and marketing:
>>
>> ~Sketchup Kitchen Part 1 - The Planning:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YLc1lT-sk
>>
>> ~Sketchup Kitchen Part 2 - The End Product:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3yUsSQ5E0:
>>
>> Again, First efforts ...
>>
>> Comments welcome (other than hiring another announcer...) :)
>>
>> --
> Looks good Karl. Really easy to understand. And the announcer has a
> charming sourthern accent. Ne need to hire another.
>
> The different perspectives of the kitchen was really compelling and would
> impress many folks. From a pure marketing perspective, this would be
> something to emphasize. Any way you can do a little show and tell with the
> technical wizardy of Skeptchup, you should do it. Things that come to mind
> are;
>
> 1. Let people know that you can download a "show and tell" presentation onto
> their own computer. If you can make an independent presentation, it can do
> all kinds of warm and fuzzy interaction with the client without you being
> there. And they can run around and do some show and tell on behalf of your
> company. Alway include contact info on your presentations.
>
> 2. Emphasize customability and personalization. Does the missus like to
> bake? Does the family need a freezer nearby? Another sink? Is anybody real
> short or tall? Liquor and/or wine storage/display. Small children. Etc.
> And then create the best of options presentation. Do some variations that
> really off the customization.
>
> Remember, when people make money decisions, they like to make choices. They
> don't like to be railroaded into one option. Give them choices. Even if you
> know what they are going to do ahead of time, they will appreciate it that
> you gave them some choices. Part of that "gentle hand" marketing.
>
> 3. I like the narration. It adds to the presentation and allows you to say
> things that may not be apparent to the layperson. Keep it simple and homey.
> That puts folks at ease. They don't want to buy from a high pressure
> salesman. Nor do most people trust "marketing speak".
>
> 4. Create a reference library. Some folks really like to do their homework.
> If you have a number of presentations all ready to go, that goes a long way
> towards make folks comfortable about talking to you and asking you to draw
> something up for them.
>
> This is different than references, photos or a resume. This show you in a
> thinking, designing, customization capacity. High tech tools, yet simple
> enough that they can be displayed easily and understood by almost anyone.
> You can't go wrong with that approach. Particularly since you have all the
> other traditional things to back this sort of thing up.
>
> 5 Create some kind of initial response form. Keep it simple. Make it easy
> for people to get a hold of you. Leave it open to what specifically you can
> do. (You are versatile. You can do anything, right?)
>
> 6. Create a suggestions form and procedure. You want to hear all their
> ideas. This created talking points for you in your preseentation. You can
> include and/or exclude specific suggestions and give reasons why. By
> intercting directly with their suggestions, you are responding specically to
> their concerns. People like that.
>
> 7. Sketchup is a tool that is very accessable. Big buck CAD programs could
> not do what you are doing with this, particlarly in terms of making it
> simple for the customer. Make this a selling point. "We don't wanna pay
> the big bucks and spend all that time on the traditional approaches. So we
> use sketchup. " This is contemporary, low cost tool that allow a high level
> of creativity and service. And you are doing it.
>
> That's all I can come up with off the top of my head.
>
> Gotta run. Keep up the good work Karl.

Lee, mon ami ... can't tell you how much I appreciate your above input!

It is being printed and will come with me to the meeting in Austin later
this week where we are discussing these very same issues.

Thank you VERY much for taking the time and effort to respond in such a
valuable manner, really crystallized many of the thoughts I hadn't put
into words yet ... I owe you one/two/or more, Bubba! :)

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Shoot, since I just had to start reloading everything on my laptop and
do to injuries on the job instead of reloading autocad on my computer
which I wasn't much past what the LT program could do maybe I'll give
this a shot. Hell who wants to sleep and eat.

Mike M

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:44:11 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>Here's another "Must View", of SketchUp models this time, from Popular
>Woodworking:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/yzbjvz4
>
>http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?q=popular+woodworking&styp=c&btnG=Search

On 12/30/2009 3:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/30/2009 2:47 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>
>> where it tells me to "Select any rectangle tool" (where it shows four
>> different icons, one of which is the rounded rectangle I'd love to
>> select), but my free version of SketchUp only has one. This
>> functionality is apparently part of the "LayOut" product:


> Alright ... WARNING: this is a real elementary quickie that is not
> nearly the best representation of a mattress that I could do with SU,
> but it didn't take 30 seconds to do the model, and less than five
> minutes to do the whole damn tutorial thing, get it on the website, and
> write this backatcha ... but I too have to go make a quality Czech:
>
> http://www.e-woodshop.net/files/MattressTutorial.zip
>
> :)
>
> If you need more, let me know ...


Just playing around with a video capture program this moring, so I made
its maiden voyage with quickie "Sketchup Mattress Tutorial" VIDEO for
you. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2GPaG9Ks6I
http://www.e-woodshop.net/files/mattress.mp4

Like I say, it's a quickie by a noob with the software, and bit
different from the other one, but it may get across the point that there
is more than one way to skin a cat in SketchUp.

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Bill wrote:
> I've been experimenting for a few hours...I learned the answer to why we
> want to make "Components"--as was suggested the other day. Otherwise the
> pieces are difficult to select or take apart, for instance! As components,
> pieces move easily.
>
>
> Here is my question:
>
> I made a bookshelf side (component) with some hidden dados cut for shelves.
> I entered the depth manually.
>
> Then I made a shelf (component).
>
> Then by working from various orientations, I was able to move a shelf into
> the bookshelf side.
>
> However, I was just "eye-balling" it. I couldn't really tell "how far" in
> the shelf was into the dado.
>
>
> Is there a way to get a "perfect fit into the dado? The advantage to this
> would be that you could messure the size of
> the pieces after you build/design a project. Is there better way to
> approach this with SketchUp?
>
> In general, I'm really just learning to assemble components. Suggestions
> welcome, of course.
>
> Thank you,
> Bill
>
>

If the dado is not blind on both ends, there is an easy way to get
perfect alignment. If it is blind on both ends, you need X-ray view.

Pan or rotate your view (not the piece) so that you can see the
not-blind end of the dado as well as the other end of the dado. Make
sure the shelf is in the same view. With the Move tool, click on the
corner of the shelf that will be snugging into the furthest reach of the
dado. (You'll get a purple dot with the message "Endpoint in Component")

With the Move tool, move that point close to the end of the dado (the
hidden end). You are again looking for "Endpoint in Component" to
confirm that you've wedded the pieces properly. Likely you won't on
first pass, and you may have to pan, rotate, or zoom to ensure that
they're lined up perfectly.

You have to futz with the views a lot the first few times to get it
right. After that, it gets a bit easier.

If you really can't get a view that works, switch to X-ray or wireframe
(View>>Facestyle>>X-Ray) and follow the same steps.

Tanus

Leon, Tanus, and Swingman,

Thank you for your SketchUp tips! I'll try them during this evening's
practice session!
I haven't tried the X-Ray view yet.

Thanks,
Bill




"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "
>>
>> Bill I posted a link to a a Beginners Sketchup tutorial. I learned from
>> it!
>> Some times things have to be done differently.
>>
>> Something you might try as illustraded in the video. Draw your sides
>> with the dado's and convert into components. Then instead of drawing a
>> shelf "out side the box" Start drawing the shelf using the inner dado
>> corners as the limits/length and thickness of the shelf using the
>> rectangle command. Basically start the rectangle in the top corner bottom
>> of a dado and end in the opposite bottom corner of the dado. This should
>> give you a rectangle the corect length inside the dado's. Then push that
>> long narrow rectangle to the depth that you want or to an inferance
>> point. AND then convert that shelf into a component.
>
>
> An additional note, you mentioned hidden dado's. If you are using stopped
> dados condiser using the method mentioned above from the back side where
> the dado actually exits/starts. If stopped on both front and back use
> the method above but turn on x-ray so that you can see the bottoms of the
> dado's and draw the rectangle.
>

"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I've been experimenting for a few hours...I learned the answer to why we
> want to make "Components"--as was suggested the other day. Otherwise the
> pieces are difficult to select or take apart, for instance! As
> components, pieces move easily.
>
>
> Here is my question:
......
> Thank you,
> Bill


I posted my progress with stopped dados, et. al. as pdf files under the
thread "SketchUp Workbench3" at alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking.
Admittedly, it took almost 5 hours, but I had fun most of the time...

Now I need to learn how to (really) make drawers, and the things that go
with them. SketchUp really does
appear to encourage thinking about design--helping one visualize and
allowing one to alternate between the
macro and micro aspects. A room full of power tools, would distract me from
being as attentive to detail as I
am learning to be.

Bill

> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
> below is a must view video:
>
> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>

Sketchup has to be the best CAD program ever made.


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Swingman wrote:
> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
> below is a must view video:
>
> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>
>
> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.

> +10

Excellent Swing. Here's another that I'd say is a prerequisite for that
one. Much of the same stuff, a bit slower and also a must for the
woodworker. Once you learn the basics and the hot keys, this one is
excellent to follow along with Sketchup in one window, and the tutorial
in another.

http://garykatz.blip.tv/file/2375765/

--
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http://jbstein.com

On 12/29/09 9:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
>>> below is a must view video:
>>>
>>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sketchup has to be the best CAD program ever made.
>
> Careful now ... that is akin to a religious statement around here.
> SketchUp is "3d modeling" software and not "CAD" in the technical sense.
>
> :)
>

No, no. It's better than any CAD program, ever.


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-MIKE- wrote:
> On 12/29/09 9:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the
>>>> link
>>>> below is a must view video:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sketchup has to be the best CAD program ever made.
>>
>> Careful now ... that is akin to a religious statement around here.
>> SketchUp is "3d modeling" software and not "CAD" in the technical sense.
>>
>> :)
>>
>
> No, no. It's better than any CAD program, ever.

For some specific definition of "better"...

--

On 12/29/09 11:59 AM, dpb wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 12/29/09 9:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the
>>>>> link
>>>>> below is a must view video:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sketchup has to be the best CAD program ever made.
>>>
>>> Careful now ... that is akin to a religious statement around here.
>>> SketchUp is "3d modeling" software and not "CAD" in the technical sense.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>
>> No, no. It's better than any CAD program, ever.
>
> For some specific definition of "better"...
>
> --

It's free and it does everything the $500 programs do, and much better.


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On 12/29/09 12:00 PM, Robatoy wrote:

> .
> ...other than that.....nice try, Mike.
>


shhhhhhh. :-)


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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
> below is a must view video:
>
> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>
> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>
> +10
>

You and Leon already helped me get up and running with SketchUp earlier this
year (thanks)! I really enjoyed the video--nice to see a real master at
work. I have a long way to go...but so far so good! For those who haven't
tried SketchUp yet, please do! : )

Bill



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-MIKE- wrote:
> On 12/29/09 11:59 AM, dpb wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 12/29/09 9:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the
>>>>>> link
>>>>>> below is a must view video:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sketchup has to be the best CAD program ever made.
>>>>
>>>> Careful now ... that is akin to a religious statement around here.
>>>> SketchUp is "3d modeling" software and not "CAD" in the technical
>>>> sense.
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, no. It's better than any CAD program, ever.
>>
>> For some specific definition of "better"...
>>
>> --
>
> It's free and it does everything the $500 programs do, and much better.

For some specific definition of "everything" and "much"... :)

--

On 12/30/2009 9:56 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/30/2009 8:17 AM, RonB wrote:
>> On Dec 29, 8:38 am, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
>>> below is a must view video:
>>>
>>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-...
>>>
>>> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
>>> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>>>
>>
>> You know, I have been resisting SketchUp because I didn't want to
>> invest the time in learning the software. I was CAD trained years ago
>> (early 80's) but never used it enough to get proficient. Worked for
>> years with a bunch of CATIA operators and that software takes a long
>> time to gain proficiency. I wanted to spend time doing woodwork, not
>> learning software.
>>
>> But after looking at the video, I'm going to download SketchUp and
>> start playing. I can see where it might replace my old drafting
>> equipment some day.
>>
>> (Still a hell of a lot of control buttons around the edges though :^})
>>
>> Thanks for the link .... I think.
>
> LOL ... well you do have one BIG hill to climb ... overcoming the
> resistance to the program due to ANY previous experience with CAD. :)
>
> Most of us who fall in that category generally install SU, then wipe it,
> two or three times, before the light finally comes on.
>
> SU is NOT "CAD", it is 3D modeling software, and should be approached
> with that sea change in mind. You approach it as a traditional CAD
> program and you'll do the above, almost guaranteed.
>
> Biggest tip I can give you with SU is to approach it much like you would
> when building a piece in the shop - by drawing the same individual
> "components" of the project, ie legs, aprons, top, etc., EXACTLY as you
> would do in the shop, then put them together.
>
> This is illustrated nicely in the video link I posted, and can't be
> emphasized enough.
>
> For modeling woodworking projects, think "COMPONENTS" ... say it again,
> class: COMPONENTS! :)
>
> Good luck, Ron ... you got any question, just holler. I'm far from an
> expert with it, but without reading a single book, I built a custom
> home, from foundation up, using nothing but plans generated by SU, for
> both bidding, construction, and inspection ... it was not something I
> initially wanted to do, but it was done nonetheless, and handsomely so.
>
> I'm not the only one ...I think one of the other wRec'ers may have done
> the same thing here in Houston for a remodeling project which also
> required permitting and inspection.

All you bastids and your raves about SketchUp... I'm like RonB; I've been a
TurboCAD nut for the past 10 years or so, but every once in a while (mainly due
to all you guys raving about it here on the wreck) I make the attempt to gain
some ground with SketchUp, and I always fail miserably. This time I bring it
up (and install the NEW version, for the 27th time), and the *first* thing I
want to do is draw a simple rounded rectangle and extrude it (push/pull in
SketchUp speak) into the shape of a mattress. Do you think I can figure out
how to draw a simple "rounded rectangle"? Hell no! According to the online
help (which never seems to match the version I'm using), there IS such a
function, but only after about an hour of piddling around I finally figure out
it only comes in the PRO version of SketchUp, and I'll be damned if I'm
spending $500 on that! That's almost as much as the latest version of TurboCAD
Pro, and there ain't NO software product that's going to force that much money
out of my wallet...

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On 12/30/2009 2:30 PM, Swingman wrote:
> There is NO functional difference in the Free and Pro versions when it
> comes to modeling.
>
> The difference is in importing/exporting, and presentation using the
> Layout program which comes with the Pro version.

So I've heard as well, but then how do you explain this:

http://sketchup.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=95602

where it tells me to "Select any rectangle tool" (where it shows four different
icons, one of which is the rounded rectangle I'd love to select), but my free
version of SketchUp only has one. This functionality is apparently part of the
"LayOut" product:

http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/product/layout.html

Which is only included in the Pro version of SketchUp.

> I will state unequivocally that I have NEVER modeled anything in the Pro
> version that I couldn't do in the free version. AAMOF, I only have the
> Pro version on my laptop. Both the shop and office version I'm using the
> free version.
>
> Again, anyone who told you different is entirely wrong.
>
> What you want to do is so simple that you will kick yourself for not
> snapping to it! :)

I spent all the time I did knowing full well there was probably an alternate
way of doing it (as you're about to explain), but by the time I finished
arriving at that conclusion I was already ticked enough to close the program
and walk away.

> Make your rectangle using the rectangle too; use the Arc tool to make
> your rounded corners in the rectangle; Erase the corners; Use the
> Push/Pull tool to lift the face of the now rounded rectangle up to the
> desire thickness of the mattress.
>
> If you want, I'll do a quick tutorial for you.
>
> Just let me know and I'll post it on my website for download and post
> the link here.

This brings me to another line of questions, but I'm in no mood to ask them at
the moment so I'll save that for a follow-up post. Thanks for bearing with me
though. :-)

Right now I need to become a quality Czech (see below). :-)

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On 12/30/2009 2:48 PM, Leon wrote:
> "RonB"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> The most beneficial tools that turned the light bulb on for me when learning
> Sketchup were the simple video tutorials.
> Once you understand how Sketchup actually works you can easily learn the
> program and then you can add which ever of the hundreds and hundreds of
> available tools you may want to add.
>
> (Still a hell of a lot of control buttons around the edges though :^})
>
> The actual program comes with noticably few command icons and they will do
> everything you need to learn the program.

So I presume most of those icons are a result of installing various "plugins":

http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/download/plugins.html

Any recommended "must haves" from this list?

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On 12/30/2009 3:06 PM, Leon wrote:
> Anyway with the free version use the rectangle tool that you actually have
> and draw a rectangle. Place an arc in each of the corners using the arc
> tool. Then erase the 4, 90 degree corner points of the rectangle. Then use
> the push tool to give that shape the depth/height you desire.

Yes, I mentioned to Swing that figured all along I could accomplish the end
result using that method (and that's the method I would use if I were doing the
same thing in TurboCAD), but somehow I ended down the path of thinking I could
somehow "turn on" the additional rectangle tools mentioned in the online help
and got completely cornfizzled.

> You may actually be trying too hard.

No doubt I am. Once I finish off this Shiner Black Lager I might try again
with a more relaxed approach. :-)

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On 12/30/2009 3:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/30/2009 2:47 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>
>> where it tells me to "Select any rectangle tool" (where it shows four
>> different icons, one of which is the rounded rectangle I'd love to
>> select), but my free version of SketchUp only has one. This
>> functionality is apparently part of the "LayOut" product:
>>
>> http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/product/layout.html
>>
>> Which is only included in the Pro version of SketchUp.
>
> Au contraire ... the Pro version ONLY has one rectangle tool ALSO. :)
>
> Forget about Layout ... it is NOT a 3D modeling tool!!!
>
> The Layout program only has 2D boxes for putting text in for
> presentation, just like Microsoft word would do, it NOT used in any way,
> shape, or form, for doing 3D models!
>
> 3D Models are brought into Layout, which has some basic 2D drawing tools
> strictly for creating "presentations".
>
> You can't create 3D models with Layout!

Got it. Pro and Layout - it's all over between us! :-)

> Alright ... WARNING: this is a real elementary quickie that is not
> nearly the best representation of a mattress that I could do with SU,
> but it didn't take 30 seconds to do the model, and less than five
> minutes to do the whole damn tutorial thing, get it on the website, and
> write this backatcha ... but I too have to go make a quality Czech:
>
> http://www.e-woodshop.net/files/MattressTutorial.zip
>
> :)

Awesome Karl, thanks.

> If you need more, let me know ...

No, just a point in the right direction and a kick in the ass was all I needed
and more than I could have asked for. Thanks again! :-)

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On 12/30/2009 3:38 PM, Leon wrote:
> "Steve Turner"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Snip
>
>>
>>> You may actually be trying too hard.
>>
>> No doubt I am. Once I finish off this Shiner Black Lager I might try
>> again with a more relaxed approach. :-)
>
> Seriousely, once you learn the concept to Sketchup you may find yourself
> playing with it for fun.... imagine.

Yep, and that's how I'm most likely to learn the thing.

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Thanks Karl!

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"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I've been experimenting for a few hours...I learned the answer to why we
> want to make "Components"--as was suggested the other day. Otherwise the
> pieces are difficult to select or take apart, for instance! As
> components, pieces move easily.
>
>
> Here is my question:
>
> I made a bookshelf side (component) with some hidden dados cut for
> shelves. I entered the depth manually.
>
> Then I made a shelf (component).
>
> Then by working from various orientations, I was able to move a shelf into
> the bookshelf side.
>
> However, I was just "eye-balling" it. I couldn't really tell "how far" in
> the shelf was into the dado.
>
>
> Is there a way to get a "perfect fit into the dado? The advantage to this
> would be that you could messure the size of
> the pieces after you build/design a project. Is there better way to
> approach this with SketchUp?
>
> In general, I'm really just learning to assemble components. Suggestions
> welcome, of course.


Bill I posted a link to a a Beginners Sketchup tutorial. I learned from it!
Some times things have to be done differently.

Something you might try as illustraded in the video. Draw your sides with
the dado's and convert into components. Then instead of drawing a shelf
"out side the box" Start drawing the shelf using the inner dado corners
as the limits/length and thickness of the shelf using the rectangle command.
Basically start the rectangle in the top corner bottom of a dado and end in
the opposite bottom corner of the dado. This should give you a rectangle
the corect length inside the dado's. Then push that long narrow rectangle
to the depth that you want or to an inferance point. AND then convert that
shelf into a component.

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:15:15 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On 12/30/2009 3:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 12/30/2009 2:47 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>>
>>> where it tells me to "Select any rectangle tool" (where it shows four
>>> different icons, one of which is the rounded rectangle I'd love to
>>> select), but my free version of SketchUp only has one. This
>>> functionality is apparently part of the "LayOut" product:
>
>
>> Alright ... WARNING: this is a real elementary quickie that is not
>> nearly the best representation of a mattress that I could do with SU,
>> but it didn't take 30 seconds to do the model, and less than five
>> minutes to do the whole damn tutorial thing, get it on the website, and
>> write this backatcha ... but I too have to go make a quality Czech:
>>
>> http://www.e-woodshop.net/files/MattressTutorial.zip
>>
>> :)
>>
>> If you need more, let me know ...
>
>
>Just playing around with a video capture program this moring, so I made
>its maiden voyage with quickie "Sketchup Mattress Tutorial" VIDEO for
>you. :)
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2GPaG9Ks6I
>http://www.e-woodshop.net/files/mattress.mp4
>
>Like I say, it's a quickie by a noob with the software, and bit
>different from the other one, but it may get across the point that there
>is more than one way to skin a cat in SketchUp.

So you're out on bail? <gd&wvvf> Cool toot, Perfesser.

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On 12/30/2009 8:17 AM, RonB wrote:
> On Dec 29, 8:38 am, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
>> below is a must view video:
>>
>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-...
>>
>> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
>> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>>
>
> You know, I have been resisting SketchUp because I didn't want to
> invest the time in learning the software. I was CAD trained years ago
> (early 80's) but never used it enough to get proficient. Worked for
> years with a bunch of CATIA operators and that software takes a long
> time to gain proficiency. I wanted to spend time doing woodwork, not
> learning software.
>
> But after looking at the video, I'm going to download SketchUp and
> start playing. I can see where it might replace my old drafting
> equipment some day.
>
> (Still a hell of a lot of control buttons around the edges though :^})
>
> Thanks for the link .... I think.

LOL ... well you do have one BIG hill to climb ... overcoming the
resistance to the program due to ANY previous experience with CAD. :)

Most of us who fall in that category generally install SU, then wipe it,
two or three times, before the light finally comes on.

SU is NOT "CAD", it is 3D modeling software, and should be approached
with that sea change in mind. You approach it as a traditional CAD
program and you'll do the above, almost guaranteed.

Biggest tip I can give you with SU is to approach it much like you would
when building a piece in the shop - by drawing the same individual
"components" of the project, ie legs, aprons, top, etc., EXACTLY as you
would do in the shop, then put them together.

This is illustrated nicely in the video link I posted, and can't be
emphasized enough.

For modeling woodworking projects, think "COMPONENTS" ... say it again,
class: COMPONENTS! :)

Good luck, Ron ... you got any question, just holler. I'm far from an
expert with it, but without reading a single book, I built a custom
home, from foundation up, using nothing but plans generated by SU, for
both bidding, construction, and inspection ... it was not something I
initially wanted to do, but it was done nonetheless, and handsomely so.

I'm not the only one ...I think one of the other wRec'ers may have done
the same thing here in Houston for a remodeling project which also
required permitting and inspection.

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On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:01:56 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>Just exploring some ideas for using SketchUp with other technology for
>presentation and marketing:
>
>~Sketchup Kitchen Part 1 - The Planning:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YLc1lT-sk

Cool! Youtube works, but for clients, I'd strongly recommend putting
them on your own website. Then when they sent friends to look, they
can see your work, too, and the rest of your offerings. If you don't
have a website now, try hosting with Lunar Pages. Minimalist at $3/mo,
more stuff at $8/mo, $6/mo if you buy a few years at a time. I do the
latter. http://www.lunarpages.com/id/diversifycom
Disclaimer: You don't pay more but I get a bonus from your signup if
you use my link there. I've been working with LP with other clients
for 5 years and now have both my websites hosted there. Good folks.


>~Sketchup Kitchen Part 2 - The End Product:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3yUsSQ5E0:
>
>Again, First efforts ...

YouTube sez: "The URL contained a malformed video ID."


>Comments welcome (other than hiring another announcer...) :)

Get that announcer voice lessons, Karl. He sounds like a damned
Texican. That simply _can't_ be good for business. <bseg>

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--Thomas Paine

Just exploring some ideas for using SketchUp with other technology for
presentation and marketing:

~Sketchup Kitchen Part 1 - The Planning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YLc1lT-sk

~Sketchup Kitchen Part 2 - The End Product:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3yUsSQ5E0:

Again, First efforts ...

Comments welcome (other than hiring another announcer...) :)

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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:48:11 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>Leon wrote:
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
>>> below is a must view video:
>>>
>>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-my-drawing-process
>>>
>>> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you will
>>> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>>>
>>> +10
>>
>>
>> Did you notice how many tool icons there were on his version of Sketchup?
>> LOL
>>
>> Good Video.
>
>No kidding ... with that many, even if I plugged my laptop into the 24"
>office monitor, there would hardly be room to see the drawing.

That's why dual monitors are so popular.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:00:14 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On Dec 29, 11:43 am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 12/29/09 9:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>
>> > -MIKE- wrote:
>> >>> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the link
>> >>> below is a must view video:
>>
>> >>>http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-...
>>
>> >> Sketchup has to be the best CAD program ever made.
>>
>> > Careful now ... that is akin to a religious statement around here.
>> > SketchUp is "3d modeling" software and not "CAD" in the technical sense.
>>
>> > :)
>>
>> No, no.  It's better than any CAD program, ever.
>>
>
>Finally an opinion from somebody who has worked with all CAD programs.
>It still baffles me that I got anything done at all prior to
>SketchUp's arrival on the scene. I mean.. how did NASA EvAR get
>anything off the ground?
><G>

Try giving the program to 157 people at one time and allowing several
million dollars and several years for each project, no matter how
small. _That_ is how NASA does things.

And they still missed a simple thing like expansion/freezing rates for
rubber o-rings... <sigh>

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-- Garrison Keillor

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:16:17 -0600, Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Dec 29, 10:48 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>> > "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the
>> link
>> >> below is a must view video:
>>
>> >>http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-...
>>
>> >> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you
>> will
>> >> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>>
>> >> +10
>>
>> > Did you notice how many tool icons there were on his version of
>> Sketchup?
>> > LOL
>>
>> > Good Video.
>>
>> No kidding ... with that many, even if I plugged my laptop into the 24"
>> office monitor, there would hardly be room to see the drawing.
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 10/22/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> Thatsawhy I put all my tools on the flaptop and the drawing on the
> larger monitor. Works on both my flaptopPC/samsung monitors and my
> Apple/Sony combo's Mouse (trackballs actually) flies through the air
> between them.
>
> I recently bought a Wacom Graphire tablet which has a whole lot more
> features than my old Artz. It has a scroll wheel and assignable
> buttons. Just a fabulous tool. And the software came with MacOS and PC
> drivers so it is plug and play portability between my home office and
> my shop. The tablet, aside an old Kensington track ball, makes for
> very accurate and lightning fast navigation. (Only because I'm used to
> it, I can't say I recommend that set-up to anybody.)
> Also, it came with the latest Adobe Photoshop Elements. Going over the
> features it has now, it makes me a bit pissed at having paid for a
> full Photoshop some years back.
Do not spill your beverage of choice into a wacom
tablet they are very unforgiving and you will have a
expensive plastic paperweight. DAMHIKT

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On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:20:10 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On Dec 31, 12:09 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 12/31/2009 11:02 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> >> Here's a prntscrn dump of my SU plug-in directory:
>>
>> >>http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/PlugInDir.jpg
>>
>> >> As you can see, a good many are for construction and not woodworking.
>>
>> > Cool!  I see there are ruby scripts for timberframers, too.  Whuffo
>> > you no gots?  How many of those did you buy?  sMustard and...what
>> > else, if I may ask?
>>
>> These were all free, IIRC ... I don't remember ever spending a penny on
>> plug-ins.
>>
>> I rarely use most except for construction stuff, mainly for stairs,
>> floor joists, and frame walls with windows, doors and headers for same.
>> These were all free, if I'm not mistaken.
>>
>> The cutlist plugin (free), which exports to CutListPlus, is something I
>> do use for woodworking, and I'm pretty sure that Leon makes good use of
>> it also.
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 10/22/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
>Cutlists are way cool. The one I now use allows for grain orientation,
>tool diameter, etc. (I'm sorry, it is a bit of a drive-by)
>http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/aspire/whats_new/aspire_v2/whats_new_nesting.htm

What, 'only' $2,000? I'll take two! Hey, I saw a reference to Steve
Knight in their gallery. He evidently has a ShopBot and V-carve.

I was very impressed with SoftPlan's cutlist and BOM listings. It's
roughly $3k, as is ChiefArchitect. (Scratch those, damnit.)

OK, SketchUp free version it is.

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wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:14:21 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
... snip
>>>>
>>>> For some specific definition of "better"...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> It's free and it does everything the $500 programs do, and much better.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Except run under Linux. :-(
>
> Kwitcher Wineing?
>

Nope, won't run under Wine. Using CrossOver Office for a number of apps,
but Sketchup won't work.


> --
> It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars.
> -- Garrison Keillor

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On 12/30/2009 3:49 PM, Swingman wrote:

>> Any recommended "must haves" from this list?
>
> There are NO icons that are unique to the Pro version.
>
> Many of those icons are most likely from plug-ins, but it is ridiculous
> to have that many, IMO.
>
> I posted a picture of my plug-in directory a month or so back ... I'll
> see if I can bump it up. None of mine have icons on the tool bar, the
> few I do use are in a drop down list boxes under "Plug-ins".

Here's a prntscrn dump of my SU plug-in directory:

http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/PlugInDir.jpg

As you can see, a good many are for construction and not woodworking.

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I was really impressed with the first one. If the second one was
other then pictures of the final installation I'm really impressed. I
think your steps ahead of your competitors in a tough market.

Mike M

On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:01:56 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>Just exploring some ideas for using SketchUp with other technology for
>presentation and marketing:
>
>~Sketchup Kitchen Part 1 - The Planning:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YLc1lT-sk
>
>~Sketchup Kitchen Part 2 - The End Product:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp3yUsSQ5E0:
>
>Again, First efforts ...
>
>Comments welcome (other than hiring another announcer...) :)

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1173ee01-764e-4547-8ab0-0ef1c47990ed@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

Cutlists are way cool. The one I now use allows for grain orientation,
tool diameter, etc. (I'm sorry, it is a bit of a drive-by)
http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/aspire/whats_new/aspire_v2/whats_new_nesting.htm

Now allows grain orientation???? I thought all of them had that....years
ago.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:55:46 -0600, the infamous basilisk
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:16:17 -0600, Robatoy <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> On Dec 29, 10:48 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>> > "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >news:[email protected]...
>>> >> For woodworkers using SketchUp to design and plan your projects the
>>> link
>>> >> below is a must view video:
>>>
>>> >>http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/22911/a-fern-stand-demonstrating-...
>>>
>>> >> Regardless of your skill level I guarantee there is something you
>>> will
>>> >> learn by taking the time to just run through it once.
>>>
>>> >> +10
>>>
>>> > Did you notice how many tool icons there were on his version of
>>> Sketchup?
>>> > LOL
>>>
>>> > Good Video.
>>>
>>> No kidding ... with that many, even if I plugged my laptop into the 24"
>>> office monitor, there would hardly be room to see the drawing.
>>>
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>>> Last update: 10/22/08
>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>
>> Thatsawhy I put all my tools on the flaptop and the drawing on the
>> larger monitor. Works on both my flaptopPC/samsung monitors and my
>> Apple/Sony combo's Mouse (trackballs actually) flies through the air
>> between them.
>>
>> I recently bought a Wacom Graphire tablet which has a whole lot more
>> features than my old Artz. It has a scroll wheel and assignable
>> buttons. Just a fabulous tool. And the software came with MacOS and PC
>> drivers so it is plug and play portability between my home office and
>> my shop. The tablet, aside an old Kensington track ball, makes for
>> very accurate and lightning fast navigation. (Only because I'm used to
>> it, I can't say I recommend that set-up to anybody.)
>> Also, it came with the latest Adobe Photoshop Elements. Going over the
>> features it has now, it makes me a bit pissed at having paid for a
>> full Photoshop some years back.
>Do not spill your beverage of choice into a wacom
>tablet they are very unforgiving and you will have a
>expensive plastic paperweight. DAMHIKT

B, how do you spill something _into_ a purtymuch sealed tablet?!?

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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:30:16 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On 12/30/2009 2:17 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>
>> All you bastids and your raves about SketchUp... I'm like RonB; I've
>> been a TurboCAD nut for the past 10 years or so, but every once in a
>> while (mainly due to all you guys raving about it here on the wreck) I
>> make the attempt to gain some ground with SketchUp, and I always fail
>> miserably. This time I bring it up (and install the NEW version, for the
>> 27th time), and the *first* thing I want to do is draw a simple rounded
>> rectangle and extrude it (push/pull in SketchUp speak) into the shape of
>> a mattress. Do you think I can figure out how to draw a simple "rounded
>> rectangle"? Hell no! According to the online help (which never seems to
>> match the version I'm using), there IS such a function, but only after
>> about an hour of piddling around I finally figure out it only comes in
>> the PRO version of SketchUp, and I'll be damned if I'm spending $500 on
>> that! That's almost as much as the latest version of TurboCAD Pro, and
>> there ain't NO software product that's going to force that much money
>> out of my wallet...
>
>Not true at all, Steve.
>
>There is NO functional difference in the Free and Pro versions when it
>comes to modeling.
>
>The difference is in importing/exporting, and presentation using the
>Layout program which comes with the Pro version.
>
>I will state unequivocally that I have NEVER modeled anything in the Pro
>version that I couldn't do in the free version. AAMOF, I only have the
>Pro version on my laptop. Both the shop and office version I'm using the
>free version.
>
>Again, anyone who told you different is entirely wrong.
>
>What you want to do is so simple that you will kick yourself for not
>snapping to it! :)
>
>Make your rectangle using the rectangle too; use the Arc tool to make
>your rounded corners in the rectangle; Erase the corners; Use the
>Push/Pull tool to lift the face of the now rounded rectangle up to the
>desire thickness of the mattress.
>
>If you want, I'll do a quick tutorial for you.
>
>Just let me know and I'll post it on my website for download and post
>the link here.

I can just see tomorrow's headlines now...

"SEX Crimes: SWINGMAN Jailed, Offering Mattress Tutorial via Internet"

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On 12/30/2009 2:54 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 12/30/2009 2:48 PM, Leon wrote:
>> "RonB"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> The most beneficial tools that turned the light bulb on for me when
>> learning
>> Sketchup were the simple video tutorials.
>> Once you understand how Sketchup actually works you can easily learn the
>> program and then you can add which ever of the hundreds and hundreds of
>> available tools you may want to add.
>>
>> (Still a hell of a lot of control buttons around the edges though :^})
>>
>> The actual program comes with noticably few command icons and they
>> will do
>> everything you need to learn the program.
>
> So I presume most of those icons are a result of installing various
> "plugins":
>
> http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/download/plugins.html
>
> Any recommended "must haves" from this list?

There are NO icons that are unique to the Pro version.

Many of those icons are most likely from plug-ins, but it is ridiculous
to have that many, IMO.

I posted a picture of my plug-in directory a month or so back ... I'll
see if I can bump it up. None of mine have icons on the tool bar, the
few I do use are in a drop down list boxes under "Plug-ins".

I really don't use that many ... most just make it more convenient to do
something that some users simply haven't gotten around to learning how
to do ... a la training wheels on a bicycle.

That said, there are some plug-ins that are really handy for
construction projects, like plug-ins for drawing frame walls between two
points, with the ability to use either 2x6 or 2x4's, put in windows and
doors, with different parameters for headers. I use those when designing
structures, but for woodworking projects, except for the CutList plugin,
I most often use only the tools on the toolbar (same in both versions)
and no other plug-ins whatsoever.

AMMOF, using SketchUp, I just designed and built a $20,000 deck for a
client and used no plug-ins whatsoever. Didn't even need the Pro version
for "presentation" because I sent the client the .skp file as they had
the free version already loaded on their Mac.

FWIW, here is just the framing plan for that deck that I simply printed
out for RFQ's, and for the actual construction:

http://www.e-woodshop.net/files/Deck-Concept6PierBeam .zip

I did a much fancier version for the client, with the house and deck
together, but it is bit big to post on my server.

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