RH

Rob H.

08/08/2013 1:07 AM

What is it? Set 505

I need some help with the second item this week:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/


Rob


This topic has 34 replies

TS

Ted Schuerzinger

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 8:38 AM

On 8 Aug 2013 01:07:19 -0700, Rob H. wrote:

> I need some help with the second item this week:

I don't know how much I can give you. Then again, it's not as if I'm
ever very good at these things.

2941. If it had a longer handle, I'd say it was used by a blacksmith to
mark his work the same way a cattle brand or signet ring would be used.

2942. The XXX on it doesn't mark it as being a sex toy of some sort?
:-) Either that, or for tiny amounts of alcohol?

2943. I'm more interested in the vintage of the Tappan range the item
is set upon.

2944. It's not a lighter (with the flint wheel missing) given as a
promtional item (or more likely work bonus) by a maker of fine cylinder
oils? Can we use the cylinder oils on our other Euclidian solids too?

2945. These are obviously sex toys. I don't see any way to use them as
fence tightners. :-p

2946. Midget lug wrench. Or, use it like a lug wrench, but on what I
don't have the foggiest idea.

--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com

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Ted Schuerzinger

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

09/08/2013 9:24 PM

On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 15:56:27 -0700, Artemus wrote:

> Those tools seem awfully short for fireplace tools. The ones I've
> seen are at least twice that long. Perhaps it is for a kitchen stove?

Possibly since they appear to be on a Tappan range.

--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com

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phorbin

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

09/08/2013 11:49 AM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> I need some help with the second item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
>
>
2943

OK... I don't know what to call them, but this looks like it's supposed to hold
the tools you'd use for mixing alcoholic beverages.

I'll call it bar kitsch.

pp

phorbin

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

10/08/2013 8:59 AM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>, Nick says...
> >>
> >>
> >>"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>>I need some help with the second item this week:
> >>>
> >>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
> >>>
> >>2943 Another wild guess. Something to hold fire accoutrements.
> >>
> >>Now get back to work boy!
> >>Nick.
> >
> >
> > Good guess! It is indeed for holding fireplace tools, as shown on the link at my
> > answer for it.
> >
> > No luck yet on the brass item but the rest of the answers have been posted:
> >
> > http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/08/set-505.html#answers
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
>
> Those tools seem awfully short for fireplace tools. The ones I've
> seen are at least twice that long. Perhaps it is for a kitchen stove?
> Or maybe something that burns coal and not wood?
> Art

I'm with you on the size though not on its purpose.

It's a dead ringer for something I saw on a relative's bar in the 70's.

LE

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 7:22 AM

Rob H. <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:

> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

2945 Gouge hones.
Lloyd

LE

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 9:40 AM

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:

> 2945 Gouge hones.

Just to be clear, sometimes they're called "gouge slips".

Lloyd

LE

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 5:08 PM

Rob H. <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:

> "My concern is that it is an old IED or anti personnel mine. Solid
> brass. 'Plunger' moves freely (spins) however I'm not going to
> depress it to find out if
> it does anything. Threaded endcap on one end. Shaking it reveals
> something inside
> that sounds an awful lot like gun powder."

Carbide lamp vessel? Pump one shot of water in with a push of the
plunger?
As opposed to drip, it would require more attention, but you could more
completely control it.

The "X" marks look more like certification marks than an explanation that
it might explode! <G>

Lloyd

LE

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 5:09 PM

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:

>
>

Besides, brass would be a poor choice for either a mercury vessel OR an
explosive ordnance.

Lloyd

Nn

"Nick"

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 2:27 PM


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need some help with the second item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
2941 Horse brass with initials of the smithy.
2942 Possibly the cistern of a mercury barometer, if the unseen end is open.
(wild guess).
2944 Vesta holder

Nn

"Nick"

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 3:27 PM


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need some help with the second item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
2943 Another wild guess. Something to hold fire accoutrements.

Now get back to work boy!
Nick.

GR

"G. Ross"

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 9:19 AM

Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the second item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
>
2943 Concealed hooks for hanging things--bracelets? The helmet opens
to put rings in.

2944 A match box. Looks like a striker area on the bottom.

--
 GW Ross 

 You can't have everything. Where 
 would you put it? --Steven Wright 





BB

Bill

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 4:55 AM

Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the second item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
>
#2945 -- Sharpening stones for sharpening carving gouges. One of them is
even labeled "fine".

Bill

PK

"Paul K. Dickman"

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 7:41 AM

2944 is a match safe meant to carry wooden matches. If you look close you
can see the serrated striking surface at the bottom.

Paul K. Dickman

"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need some help with the second item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
>

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 1:07 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Lloyd E.
Sponenburgh says...
>
>"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> fired this volley in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> 2945 Gouge hones.
>
>Just to be clear, sometimes they're called "gouge slips".
>
>Lloyd


Yes, I was going to call them cone gouge slip stones.

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 1:08 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Paul K. Dickman says...
>
>2944 is a match safe meant to carry wooden matches. If you look close you
>can see the serrated striking surface at the bottom.
>
>Paul K. Dickman


Match safe is correct.

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 3:04 PM


>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>

>2942 Possibly the cistern of a mercury barometer, if the unseen end is open.
>(wild guess).


Here is the owner's description of the brass cylinder:

"My concern is that it is an old IED or anti personnel mine. Solid brass.
'Plunger' moves freely (spins) however I'm not going to depress it to find out
if
it does anything. Threaded endcap on one end. Shaking it reveals something
inside
that sounds an awful lot like gun powder."

GG

Greg Guarino

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

09/08/2013 8:42 AM

On 8/8/2013 4:07 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the second item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
>
2943

The helmet seems to hinge, and it looks to me like some sort of
receptacle is missing from the back. As a (really) wild guess, some sort
of lemon squeezer?

JB

J Burns

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

09/08/2013 9:15 AM

On 8/8/13 4:07 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the second item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
>
2943: Toilet-paper dispenser for Buckingham Palace. At one time, the
palace had real knights for toilet attendants. Each of the 78 toilets
required 4 knights each working 42 hours a week, for a total of 312.

BB

Bill

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

09/08/2013 9:31 AM

J Burns wrote:
> On 8/8/13 4:07 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> I need some help with the second item this week:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>


#2942 -- Maybe it's the main part of a fire extinguisher?

Bill

BB

Bill

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

09/08/2013 9:42 AM

Bill wrote:
> J Burns wrote:
>> On 8/8/13 4:07 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> I need some help with the second item this week:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>
>
>
> #2942 -- Maybe it's the main part of a fire extinguisher?
>
> Bill

Read the first comment here (suggests "X" indicates experimental):

http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/41563-rarest-vintage-fire-extinguisher-youve

BB

Bill

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

09/08/2013 10:02 AM

Bill wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> J Burns wrote:
>>> On 8/8/13 4:07 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>> I need some help with the second item this week:
>>>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> #2942 -- Maybe it's the main part of a fire extinguisher?
>>
>> Bill
>
> Read the first comment here (suggests "X" indicates experimental):
>
> http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/41563-rarest-vintage-fire-extinguisher-youve
>

I suspect X might mean "discharged". I could not confirm.

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

09/08/2013 1:20 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Nick says...
>
>
>"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>I need some help with the second item this week:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>2943 Another wild guess. Something to hold fire accoutrements.
>
>Now get back to work boy!
>Nick.


Good guess! It is indeed for holding fireplace tools, as shown on the link at my
answer for it.

No luck yet on the brass item but the rest of the answers have been posted:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/08/set-505.html#answers


Rob

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

09/08/2013 1:25 PM


>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>2943
>
>The helmet seems to hinge, and it looks to me like some sort of
>receptacle is missing from the back. As a (really) wild guess, some sort
>of lemon squeezer?


Yes, the helmet does hinge, the link on my site goes to an ebay page for a
similar
device, apparently a fireplace poker can be placed under the helmet for easy
access. The knight in my photos didn't have any tools with it, so I wasn't sure
of
purpose of the pivoting helmet until I found the ebay link.

Ab

"Artemus"

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

09/08/2013 3:56 PM


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Nick says...
>>
>>
>>"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>I need some help with the second item this week:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>2943 Another wild guess. Something to hold fire accoutrements.
>>
>>Now get back to work boy!
>>Nick.
>
>
> Good guess! It is indeed for holding fireplace tools, as shown on the link at my
> answer for it.
>
> No luck yet on the brass item but the rest of the answers have been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/08/set-505.html#answers
>
>
> Rob
>

Those tools seem awfully short for fireplace tools. The ones I've
seen are at least twice that long. Perhaps it is for a kitchen stove?
Or maybe something that burns coal and not wood?
Art

BB

Bill

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

09/08/2013 7:07 PM

Artemus wrote:
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, Nick says...
>>>
>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> I need some help with the second item this week:
>>>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>

Comment: Whoever stamped X (five times) on #2942 really meant business!
I'm still leaning toward "vehicle fire extinguisher", but I'm darn
curious to know the truth!
Maybe it was for a boat or motorcycle? That still doesn't explain the
depth of the X's (5 of them)

Bill

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

10/08/2013 3:32 PM

>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/08/set-505.html#answers

>Those tools seem awfully short for fireplace tools. The ones I've
>seen are at least twice that long. Perhaps it is for a kitchen stove?
>Or maybe something that burns coal and not wood?
>Art



They do seem short for a fireplace, but most all of the ones that I've found on
the web say they are fireplace tools. I looked for an old advertisement but
didn't find one.

The photo was shot in an antique mall, where numerous small items are displayed
on any flat surface available, so I don't think the knight is related to the
Tappan stove, it just happened to be placed there.

I didn't see any similar knights with bar tools, maybe someone re-purposed one
for their bar.

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

12/08/2013 4:07 AM

>> Well, the plot thickens....somewhat
>>
>> http://www.blackcountrybugle.co.uk/News/The-unresolved-tale-of-the-Bilston-
Knight-04092012.htm
>
>And here's (as Paul Harvey used to say...) The Rest Of The Story
>http://www.blackcountrymemories.org.uk/knights/knights.htm


Thanks, that's an excellent link! I just added it to my answer.

JB

J Burns

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

12/08/2013 7:47 PM

On 8/12/13 7:07 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> Well, the plot thickens....somewhat
>>>
>>> http://www.blackcountrybugle.co.uk/News/The-unresolved-tale-of-the-Bilston-
> Knight-04092012.htm
>>
>> And here's (as Paul Harvey used to say...) The Rest Of The Story
>> http://www.blackcountrymemories.org.uk/knights/knights.htm
>
>
> Thanks, that's an excellent link! I just added it to my answer.
>
Except in two places, the article says Bilston Knights was a brand name
for a coal grate. The first time, it's undocumented hearsay that the
knights were called Bilston Knights. The second time, an expert said
lots of companies produced knights for hearths. He called a particular
one a Bilston knight because it was produced at a Bilston Ltd. factory
that ran from the 1940s to 1958. That knight is not pictured.

The article says the three knights purchased in the 1960s were sold new
as knickknacks without tools. Ebay shows a knight identical to the
mystery item, with the tools. UK residents would understand the purpose
of the tools. Americans might not.

In New England, fireplaces were for wood. In North Carolina, my
19th-century house has four rooms with coal fireplaces. Several other
houses around here, including one built in the 1940s, are like that. An
open coal fire would heat a room in this climate. I suppose New
Englanders relied on stoves or central heat. Tools that would fit in the
knight would be too small for a wood fire but would probably be just
right for a coal grate.

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

13/08/2013 3:21 AM


>Except in two places, the article says Bilston Knights was a brand name
>for a coal grate. The first time, it's undocumented hearsay that the
>knights were called Bilston Knights. The second time, an expert said
>lots of companies produced knights for hearths. He called a particular
>one a Bilston knight because it was produced at a Bilston Ltd. factory
>that ran from the 1940s to 1958. That knight is not pictured.
>
>The article says the three knights purchased in the 1960s were sold new
>as knickknacks without tools. Ebay shows a knight identical to the
>mystery item, with the tools. UK residents would understand the purpose
>of the tools. Americans might not.
>
>In New England, fireplaces were for wood. In North Carolina, my
>19th-century house has four rooms with coal fireplaces. Several other
>houses around here, including one built in the 1940s, are like that. An
>open coal fire would heat a room in this climate. I suppose New
>Englanders relied on stoves or central heat. Tools that would fit in the
>knight would be too small for a wood fire but would probably be just
>right for a coal grate.



I agree that the shorter tools would be better for a coal fire than wood, though
as mbuck mentioned, the ad does say the grate is for "all types of fuel".
Besides wood, peat, and coal, I don't know what other fuel they would burn. I
would guess that coal would be the main fuel for the Bilston Knight grate, but
the word coal is not found once in the entire article. I suppose the bottom line
is that the tools are better suited for a small fire of any type as opposed to a
large wood fire.

TO

The Other J Burns

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

13/08/2013 8:38 AM

On 8/13/13 6:21 AM, Rob H. wrote:

>
> I agree that the shorter tools would be better for a coal fire than wood, though
> as mbuck mentioned, the ad does say the grate is for "all types of fuel".
> Besides wood, peat, and coal, I don't know what other fuel they would burn. I
> would guess that coal would be the main fuel for the Bilston Knight grate, but
> the word coal is not found once in the entire article. I suppose the bottom line
> is that the tools are better suited for a small fire of any type as opposed to a
> large wood fire.
>
Coal isn't mentioned in the article because it's British. The British
take it for granted that you must drive on the wrong side of the road
and burn coal in a fireplace.

I don't see how one could build an all-night wood fire on something as
small as the Bilston Knight grate. It takes a big load of wood to
produce coals for a long fire. The fireplaces needs a big throat for
the draft necessary to burn off the volatiles. The big throat sucks so
much air that in Massachusetts and Vermont, using the fireplace made
houses colder. I guess that's why the houses down here were built with
coal fireplaces even though plenty of firewood was available.

(I changed my name to The Other J Burns because in another group I was
confused with another J Burns.)

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

13/08/2013 11:55 AM

In article <[email protected]>, The Other J Burns says...
>
>On 8/13/13 6:21 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree that the shorter tools would be better for a coal fire than wood,
though
>> as mbuck mentioned, the ad does say the grate is for "all types of fuel".
>> Besides wood, peat, and coal, I don't know what other fuel they would burn. I
>> would guess that coal would be the main fuel for the Bilston Knight grate,
but
>> the word coal is not found once in the entire article. I suppose the bottom
line
>> is that the tools are better suited for a small fire of any type as opposed
to a
>> large wood fire.
>>
>Coal isn't mentioned in the article because it's British. The British
>take it for granted that you must drive on the wrong side of the road
>and burn coal in a fireplace.
>
>I don't see how one could build an all-night wood fire on something as
>small as the Bilston Knight grate. It takes a big load of wood to
>produce coals for a long fire. The fireplaces needs a big throat for
>the draft necessary to burn off the volatiles. The big throat sucks so
>much air that in Massachusetts and Vermont, using the fireplace made
>houses colder. I guess that's why the houses down here were built with
>coal fireplaces even though plenty of firewood was available.
>
>(I changed my name to The Other J Burns because in another group I was
>confused with another J Burns.)


Sounds good, I'm convinced, looks like you nailed this one.

Rob

EH

Ed Huntress

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 11:30 AM

On 8 Aug 2013 01:07:19 -0700, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:

>I need some help with the second item this week:
>
>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
>Rob

2945 - Conical slips for sharpening curved blades, as on scythes,
pruners, etc.

--
Ed Huntress

wn

woodchucker

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 9:24 PM

On 8/8/2013 6:08 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> Rob H. <[email protected]> fired this volley in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> "My concern is that it is an old IED or anti personnel mine. Solid
>> brass. 'Plunger' moves freely (spins) however I'm not going to
>> depress it to find out if
>> it does anything. Threaded endcap on one end. Shaking it reveals
>> something inside
>> that sounds an awful lot like gun powder."
>
> Carbide lamp vessel? Pump one shot of water in with a push of the
> plunger?
> As opposed to drip, it would require more attention, but you could more
> completely control it.
>
> The "X" marks look more like certification marks than an explanation that
> it might explode! <G>
>
> Lloyd
>

2941 Looks like a ferriers mark, probably used on the horses breast
plate in show.


everything else is guessed.

2946, a water company or gas companies tool. Used for opening the lid to
a meter keys to shutoff the same.


--
Jeff

Wc

"WW"

in reply to Rob H. on 08/08/2013 1:07 AM

08/08/2013 7:47 PM



"Rob H." wrote in message news:[email protected]...

I need some help with the second item this week:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/


Rob

2943 A measuring spoons holder? WW


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