On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:58:36 -0800 (PST), SBH <[email protected]>
wrote:
>My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
>the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
>now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>site.
>
>Thank you
For a newsreader client: (reviews)
<http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/newsgroup-readers.html>
For a free NNTP server:
<http://www.eternal-september.org/>
In article <[email protected]>, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/29/2011 10:33 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>, Jack<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 11/28/2011 9:03 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>
>> [sneck]
>>>
>>> That's plain bogus. First, I use a free server, Eternal-September and
>>> have not had any problems, no dropped mail, nothing.
>
>> You, sir, "Don't know what you don't know".<grin>
>
>I understand, but, when I participate in a thread, I think I know when a
>thread is missing messages. I have not noticed it ever with E-S.
>
>> It has been -proven- that Eternal-September has been 'over-aggressively'
>> (and ERRONEOUSLY) filtering out at least some 'legitimate' postings, since
>> early June of this year, IN A NEWSGROUP YOU PARTICIPATE IN.
>
>I know they updated their spam filter in June and a few shaky posts may
>have been filtered, but this was known and supposedly looked into. I
>never noticed even a blip.
Your "failure to notice" only proves that you failed to notice. <grin.
*Other* eternal-september users -have- noticed, and publicly commented on
the problem. One particular kind of legitimate posting was still being
erroneously filtered out as of a little over a week ego.
>I get 14 text newsgroups from E-S and have not noticed any problems.
oh Wow. such a -heavy- user.
For comparison, I am subscribed to over TWO HUNDRED FIFTY _text_ newsgroups.
SBH wrote:
> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st.
> All the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I
> called just now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people
> will offer suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than
> this Google site.
Some here have responded by suggesting a paid usenet service, which is
an absolutely asinine suggestion without knowing if you are a
binary-file downloader - which I'm thinking you're not if you were using
your ISP's usenet service.
So going on the assumption that you just read and post to text groups,
then there are several free usenet servers. I use aioe.org because no
sign-up is required, hence there is no user-name or password hassle to
deal with.
You are also asking about a usenet client. I assume you were already
using one to access your ISP's server before they shut it down. (?)
I use an old client (netscape communicator 4.79) because it's what I've
always used and it's very efficient in it's layout and
ease-of-organization of posts and groups and very fast.
Mike Marlow wrote:
> I wrote:
> > Some here have responded by suggesting a paid usenet service,
> > which is an absolutely asinine suggestion without knowing if
> > you are a binary-file downloader - which I'm thinking you're
> > not if you were using your ISP's usenet service.
>
> Most ISP's provided complete newsfeeeds - binaries and text,
> while they were in that business.
It's my educated guess that any ISP that's still running a usenet server
today (or for the past 2 or 3 years) has sufficiently handicapped the
server's ability to provide 100% complete multi-part binaries so as to
thwart pirating / file-sharing and various types of illegal porn.
If I'm wrong in this case about the OP's former news server, well I'll
admit I'm wrong. The OP can tell us if he was a usenet downloader or
not.
The OP claims that his ISP discontinued it's usenet service. Unless I'm
mistaken, I believe this would be that server:
news.wowway.com
And it seems to be up and running (it's asking for username at least).
There is a cryptic message posted a few days ago about it:
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/12396
"It's over as of 20 Oct 11 - so much for a fixed price contract"
Ah, here it is:
http://www.ngrblog.com/wow-drops-usenet/
---------------
Wide Open West, also known as WOW, is discontinuing their Usenet service
on November 1, 2011. As with most other ISPs that offer access to
newsgroups, the WOW team had partnered with a leading provider to give
customers limited access to Usenet. Members would connect to
news.wowway.com and download up to 5 GB a month. Starting tomorrow,
November 1, 2011 the Usenet service will be discontinued.
----------------
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> > Try the Astraweb "pay by download" plan. $10 has kept me going for
> > a few years with more to come.
> ----------------------------
> It's a winner.
I'd like those that use a paid usenet server tell us why they're better
than the free servers - assuming they only use them for the text groups
that is.
Mike Marlow wrote:
> > It's my educated guess that any ISP that's still running a usenet
> > server today (or for the past 2 or 3 years) has sufficiently
> > handicapped the server's ability to provide 100% complete multi-
> > part binaries so as to thwart pirating / file-sharing and various
> > types of illegal porn.
>
> ISP's are getting out of the newsfeed business just for the economics
> of it - not many people are usenet users anymore.
For one thing, if you're talking about usenet, you've got to separate
binary and text.
There are different issues pertaining to those two purposes.
My own ISP did something curious first for about 6 months before they
pulled the plug on their usenet server about 5 years ago. They removed
every group that had "teen" and "Disney" in the group name. I'll let
you figure out what motived them to do that.
ISP's were facing a lot of heat from law enforcement and RIAA/MPAA over
usenet and that's the reason they turned off their servers. It wasn't
cost - it's chump-change to operate a usenet server that carries
binaries if your an ISP, and any hobbiest can do it if you limit it to
text (just look at the free text servers out there run as a hobby).
And it's very band-width efficient for an ISP to operate a binary news
server. When your users can pull their warez and porn from a local
machine instead of your internet back-bone connection, you come out
ahead.
> Blogs, web sites, twitter, facebook and the like have
> displaced usenet in the current generation.
Sure they have, but again those are all text, and it costs peanuts for
an ISP to run a text usenet service - with no legal or copyright
downside.
> One look at the binary newsgroup for rec.woodworking, and
> the people who access it from their own ISP is evidence
> enough that ISP's are not handicapping server's ability
> to provide a complete feed.
rec.woodworking is not a binary group flooded with multi-part binary
feeds. You can't point to a text newsgroup as an example of how
complete a news server is.
> Multi-part binaries are being passed every day, and from all
> outward appearances, by all existing servers that support binary.
The vast majority of which are third-party paid servers, which exist for
the sole purpose of hosting those binary posts and charging you to
download them. They care little about the text groups.
I continue to ask why anyone would use a paid usenet server just to
access text groups.
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > I'd like those that use a paid usenet server tell us why they're
> > better than the free servers - assuming they only use them for
> > the text groups that is.
>
> I follow a couple of binaries groups, so I do pay for Giganews.
Well you should try aioe for the text groups and see if there's a
difference.
> Aside from that, the free server I used a while back was unreliable.
> It missed a lot of posts. The paid server would show say,
> 100 posts in a given time period, the free server would have about 90.
And you know that the missing 10 posts were not spam?
> Perhaps other free servers are better,
You should mention which server it was that you claim was missing posts,
and when exactly this was.
> but my initial experience with two of them sucked.
Which two were they?
And if I may say, your argument about them "sucking" just doesn't cut
it.
Bill wrote:
> Newsguy.com is good. About $65/yr, less than 20 cents a day.
And you use it for binary downloads - or just text?
> When you pay, you can have expectations.
The only thing I expect if I were to pay to access a usenet server would
be to download binary posts. Do you have other expectations?
My binary downloads are satisfied gratis by one-click hosters (aka
file-lockers).
Justin Time wrote:
> > Some here have responded by suggesting a paid usenet service,
> > which is an absolutely asinine suggestion without knowing if
> > you are a binary-file downloader
>
> Correct. I simply read and respond using Outlook Express.
So the use of a free server (such as nntp.aioe.org) would be a
satisfactory (if not cost-effective) replacement.
> > news.wowway.com
> >
> > And it seems to be up and running (it's asking for username at
> > least).
>
> Yes, I use WOW.
That server (news.wowway.com) still seems to be up and running. What
happens when you try to access it using your user-name and password?
Lee Michaels wrote:
> > What a brain trust we have around here.
>
> Well, the IQ of the room will go up considerably as soon as you leave.
So when a dolt has a retarded conversation with me, I'm the one at
fault?
> This topic has been discussed to death here again and again.
Yes, and my basic 2 questions have not really been answered by anyone:
1) why use a paid usenet server to read/write to text newsgroups?
2) why is eternal september better than aioe?
> And it boils down to the guys who won't pay for binaries.
Um, no it doesn't.
If you want binaries - you have to pay for them.
If you want text - WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PAY FOR THEM?
> And the guys who accept substandard service of some kind or
> another.
I'd really like to know what you mean by substandard service, and who
per chance is providing it?
> Having somebody come by and start whining about it
Asking questions and pointing out when others evade them is not whining.
> Why is is so important to you?
Why is it so important that you not answer the questions and even more,
that you want me to stop asking?
> I don't need to read your incessant whining.
Nobody's forcing you to cry like a baby in protest to my questions.
> I will just ignore this thread from now on.
I accept your surrender of this argument to me.
Bill wrote:
> > And you use it for binary downloads - or just text?
> >
> >> When you pay, you can have expectations.
> >
> > The only thing I expect if I were to pay to access a usenet server
> > would be to download binary posts.
>
> I paid for certain services. I have a contract.
If the services *you utilize* includes binary downloading, then great.
More power to ya.
If you're paying for access to text groups (and you don't download
binaries) then that's ok too. You're happy to pay for something that is
widely available at no cost. It's your right to do it.
I just don't understand why you wouldn't clearly and unambiguously admit
to it.
Justin Time wrote:
> > That server (news.wowway.com) still seems to be up and running.
>
> The user name/password prompt window continues to pop up, I continue
> to click OK and the process repeats.
Just FYI:
nslookup on News.wowway.com comes back with this:
FQDN: news.isp.giganews.com
Alias: news.wowway.com
IP address: 216.196.97.142
That IP address is owned by Giganews, and a telnet session to that host
on port 119 does indeed result in a greeting by News.Giganews.com.
This *might* have been the case well before WOW announced they would
turn off "their" usenet server - which is that Giganews was their usenet
provider all along.
Justin Time wrote:
> "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st.
>> All the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called
>> just now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>> site.
>>
>> Thank you
>
> I thank other suggestions as well and will keep them in mind if
> something partakes which doesn't work out for me.
Just a note - you're not looking for a client - a client is what you view
newsgroup articles with. You're looking for a provider.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 11/27/2011 04:58 PM, SBH wrote:
> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
> site.
>
> Thank you
Try the Astraweb "pay by download" plan. $10 has kept me going for a
few years with more to come.
http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html
--
"A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to
blame somebody else." -John Burroughs
On 11/27/2011 5:11 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 11/27/2011 04:58 PM, SBH wrote:
>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
>> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
>> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>> site.
>>
>> Thank you
>
> Try the Astraweb "pay by download" plan. $10 has kept me going for a few
> years with more to come.
>
> http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html
>
>
I'll second that. I use Thunderbird to view the few newsgroups I do
keep up with, but any number of news readers will work just as well.
Matt
"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11/27/2011 04:58 PM, SBH wrote:
>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
>> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
>> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>> site.
>>
>> Thank you
>
> Try the Astraweb "pay by download" plan. $10 has kept me going for a few
> years with more to come.
>
> http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html
>
Same here. Pay a few bucks and get service for many years to come. Can't
complain about that.
"Home Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> >> > Why is eternal september better than aioe?
>> >>
>> >> I don't have to mess around switching.
>> >
>> > Switching - what?
>>
>> from eternal_September
>
> What a brain trust we have around here.
Well, the IQ of the room will go up considerably as soon as you leave. This
topic has been discussed to death here again and again. And it boils down
to the guys who won't pay for binaries. And the guys who accept substandard
service of some kind or another.
Having somebody come by and start whining about it isn't going to change
anything. Why is is so important to you? I don't need to read your
incessant whining. I will just ignore this thread from now on.
On 11/27/2011 4:58 PM, SBH wrote:
> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
> site.
>
> Thank you
http://usenet-news.net/
pricing is at http://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=get
On 11/28/2011 5:22 PM, Han wrote:
> Just Wondering<[email protected]> wrote in news:4ed3ad9c$0$5222$882e7ee2
> @usenet-news.net:
>
>> On 11/27/2011 4:58 PM, SBH wrote:
>>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
>>> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
>>> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>>> site.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>
>> http://usenet-news.net/
>> pricing is at http://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=get
>
> That looks like usenet-news.net is just a bit cheaper than astraweb. Since
> they have provided me with excellent service since June 2008, AND because
> they still owe me 24 of the 25GB I paid $10 for, I'm not going to change
> <grin>.
>
That's cool. I did some research and went with Usenet-News when Comcast
started providing limited service through Giganews. I've been quite
satisfied. It keeps retention on many if not most non-binary groups for
over three years. I've gotten a good amount of old music not readily
available elsewhere from the alt.binaries.sounds.mp3 newsgroups. which
is why I prefer this to free text only services. $22 for 200GB goes a
long way.
"Robert Bonomi"
>
> Comcast has a long-standing reputation for cluelessness. Especially if it
> doesn't involve Windows boxes, the world-wide-web, or their hosted email
> service.
>
Ain't that the truth!
I remember talking to one of their drones and he had no idea what a
newsgroup was. And he, apparently, concluded that if he did not know what
is was, he did not have to help me. Not that he could anyway.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:36:04 -0600, [email protected]
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>_YOUR_ expectations/experiences are *NOT* universal.
>
Are you sure this is not all about me? I always thought it was. :)
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:41:23 -0500, Home Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>> > Some here have responded by suggesting a paid usenet service,
>> > which is an absolutely asinine suggestion without knowing if
>> > you are a binary-file downloader - which I'm thinking you're
>> > not if you were using your ISP's usenet service.
>>
>> Most ISP's provided complete newsfeeeds - binaries and text,
>> while they were in that business.
>
>It's my educated guess that any ISP that's still running a usenet server
>today (or for the past 2 or 3 years) has sufficiently handicapped the
>server's ability to provide 100% complete multi-part binaries so as to
>thwart pirating / file-sharing and various types of illegal porn.
>
>If I'm wrong in this case about the OP's former news server, well I'll
>admit I'm wrong. The OP can tell us if he was a usenet downloader or
>not.
>
Charter was throttling their Usenet, but it was 30 days binary
retention and 99 complete.
Since they have capped their monthly bandwidth to 100G/month I no
longer use them. ATT is 150G/month.
My favorite group is alt.binaries.documentaries
http://binsearch.info/browse.php?bg=alt.binaries.documentaries
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:10:54 -0500, Home Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I follow a couple of binaries groups, so I do pay for Giganews.
>
>Well you should try aioe for the text groups and see if there's a
>difference.
Of course there is a difference. There would be no binaries.
>
>> Aside from that, the free server I used a while back was unreliable.
>> It missed a lot of posts. The paid server would show say,
>> 100 posts in a given time period, the free server would have about 90.
>
>And you know that the missing 10 posts were not spam?
Yes, I was on both servers and saw the posts missing. They were not
spam, they were from regular uses of the NG, including this one.
>
>> Perhaps other free servers are better,
>
>You should mention which server it was that you claim was missing posts,
>and when exactly this was.
whatever eternal-september is now
>
>> but my initial experience with two of them sucked.
>
>Which two were they?
>
>And if I may say, your argument about them "sucking" just doesn't cut
>it.
Your opinion.
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:42:39 -0800, Oren <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>For a free NNTP server:
>
><http://www.eternal-september.org/>
My vote for best is eternal september
Wreck only
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:43:17 -0500, Home Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> > Try the Astraweb "pay by download" plan. $10 has kept me going for
>> > a few years with more to come.
>> ----------------------------
>> It's a winner.
>
>I'd like those that use a paid usenet server tell us why they're better
>than the free servers - assuming they only use them for the text groups
>that is.
I tried the http://teranews.com/ free servers ($4 setup charge) and
found it both dicey (as far as uptime) and often so busy I couldn't
get on. I've been with APN http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php for
several years now at $2.95/mo and the difference is:
1) it is damnear always up,
2) it filters out most of the spam,
3 it hosts more groups than many services,
4) and it runs posts for longer than almost anyone I've seen.
--
When a quiet man is moved to passion, it seems the very earth will shake.
-- Stephanie Barron
(Something for the Powers That Be to remember, eh?)
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> "Larry Blanchard" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:08:50 -0500, Morgans wrote:
>
> > If you are not against using micro$oft to view them, you could uses
> > news.aioe.org Very reliable, and free. No binaries groups.
>
> Microsoft isn't required. I'm using aioe now running Pan under Linux.
> *******************************
> Good to know. For what little I do, outlook was great. Live 2011 sucks,
> but outlook is not a choice with Windoz 7.
Outlook works fine with Windows 7. It's Outlook Express that they
discontinued.
But there are numerous free alternatives.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> HeyBub wrote:
> > SBH wrote:
> >> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st.
> >> All the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called
> >> just now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
> >> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
> >> site.
>
> > Change ISPs. And tell your current provider why.
> >
> > You are NOT locked in to the ISP provided by the company that owns
> > the pipe. My cable provider is Comcast, but I use EarthLink as my
> > ISP. EarthLink provides Giganews at no additional charge.
>
> Interesting. I didn't know that but I decided to check it out because I
> have always resented the fact that Comcast and Verizon both killed off their
> Usenet service that used to be included with my Internet service. I have
> Comcast now and, based on what you wrote, I thought I would check to see if
> I could change to EarthLink for Internet.
>
> Unfortunately, when I went to EarthLink.com I found out that the only
> Internet service they have in my area is DSL and Satellite. I can't use my
> Comcast cable Internet service or Verizon FIOS (if I had that) to get
> EarthLink Internet service. I assume that it is available elsewhere as you
> have suggested, but not where I am located.
There's showing me dial-up and satellite. And their dialup costs as
much as AT&T DSL.
In article <[email protected]>, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/28/2011 9:03 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
[sneck]
>
>That's plain bogus. First, I use a free server, Eternal-September and
>have not had any problems, no dropped mail, nothing.
You, sir, "Don't know what you don't know". <grin>
It has been -proven- that Eternal-September has been 'over-aggressively'
(and ERRONEOUSLY) filtering out at least some 'legitimate' postings, since
early June of this year, IN A NEWSGROUP YOU PARTICIPATE IN.
In article <[email protected]>, Home Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>Bill wrote:
>
>> Newsguy.com is good. About $65/yr, less than 20 cents a day.
>
>And you use it for binary downloads - or just text?
>
>> When you pay, you can have expectations.
>
>The only thing I expect if I were to pay to access a usenet server would
>be to download binary posts. Do you have other expectations?
For the narrow-minded simpleton who believes *HIS* way is the only 'right' way:
A paid provider -- even if used only for text groups -- may well provide
any, or *all*, of the following benefits:
1) longer retentions of messages
2) _faster_ responses by the servers -- because they're geographically
'closer', or less heavily loaded, or have 'bigger pipes', or higher-
performing hardware, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
3) 'more extensive' lists of newsgroups (including 'text only' groups)
4) fewer falsely "filtered out" messages
5) *TELEPHONE* support, when need/desired
6) "higher reliability" in the delivery of service. *EVERY* 'free'
NNTP server operator that I am aware of has had at least one
'significant' outage (as in multiple hours) within the last 5 years.
As have the 'bargain-basement' paid providers like Astraweb, and
individual.net
Major 'commercial grade' providers-- like the former SuperNews,
NewsGuy, Giganews, etc. -- have had a _combined_ 'downtime' over
the last TEN YEARS, that is measured in the low tens of minutes.
7) *assurance* of availability "tomorrow". Contractual -guarantees-
of at least 30-90 days notice are important to some people.
8) Better, more complete, support of 'optional' components in the
NNTP protocol, which can result in _order-of-magnitude_ (or more)
higher performance in a news client doing sophisticated 'selection'
(or, conversely, 'filtering') of messages for display.
These things _DO_ matter to some people.
There are other people who think USENET is a valuable resource in it's
own right, and are willing to spend some of their own money in an effort
to ensure that it remains available for the long term.
"Justin Time" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Justin Time wrote:
>>> "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>> m...
>>>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st.
>>>> All the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called
>>>> just now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>>>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>>>> site.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> I thank other suggestions as well and will keep them in mind if
>>> something partakes which doesn't work out for me.
>>
>> Just a note - you're not looking for a client - a client is what you
>> view newsgroup articles with. You're looking for a provider.
>>
> Yes, I stand corrected.
>
> Thanks
I'm all for astraweb. I have ued about 1 GB of the 25 I'm entitled to for
the $10 I paid in June 2008 ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote in news:4ed3ad9c$0$5222$882e7ee2
@usenet-news.net:
> On 11/27/2011 4:58 PM, SBH wrote:
>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
>> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
>> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>> site.
>>
>> Thank you
>
> http://usenet-news.net/
> pricing is at http://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=get
That looks like usenet-news.net is just a bit cheaper than astraweb. Since
they have provided me with excellent service since June 2008, AND because
they still owe me 24 of the 25GB I paid $10 for, I'm not going to change
<grin>.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Home Guy wrote:
>
> Some here have responded by suggesting a paid usenet service, which is
> an absolutely asinine suggestion without knowing if you are a
> binary-file downloader - which I'm thinking you're not if you were
> using your ISP's usenet service.
Most ISP's provided complete newsfeeeds - binaries and text, while they were
in that business.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
SBH wrote:
> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
> site.
>
Change ISPs. And tell your current provider why.
You are NOT locked in to the ISP provided by the company that owns the pipe.
My cable provider is Comcast, but I use Earthlink as my ISP. Earthlink
provides Giganews at no additional charge.
Home Guy wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>>> Some here have responded by suggesting a paid usenet service,
>>> which is an absolutely asinine suggestion without knowing if
>>> you are a binary-file downloader - which I'm thinking you're
>>> not if you were using your ISP's usenet service.
>>
>> Most ISP's provided complete newsfeeeds - binaries and text,
>> while they were in that business.
>
> It's my educated guess that any ISP that's still running a usenet
> server today (or for the past 2 or 3 years) has sufficiently
> handicapped the server's ability to provide 100% complete multi-part
> binaries so as to thwart pirating / file-sharing and various types of
> illegal porn.
There may be some that have done that, but I can assure you that Windstream
still provides a full newsfeed - binaries and text. Unlimited download. I
can see by the text you pasted in from WOW that they took a different
approach and limited downloads, but I am not aware of that being the norm
for ISP's in the past or in the present. ISP's are getting out of the
newsfeed business just for the economics of it - not many people are usenet
users anymore. Blogs, web sites, twitter, facebook and the like have
displaced usenet in the current generation. Cost vs return is the issue at
hand for them. One look at the binary newsgroup for rec.woodworking, and
the people who access it from their own ISP is evidence enough that ISP's
are not handicapping server's ability to provide a complete feed.
Multi-part binaries are being passed every day, and from all outward
appearances, by all existing servers that support binary.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Home Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>Robert Charles Browne wrote:
>
>> Do categorize yourself.
>
>Well, I'm a home owner.
>That's why I come here to alt.home.repair.
>
Why do I not take either of those claims as gospel truth
this Sunday? Shame on you. k00k.
>What about you, Robert?
>
What about me? k00k.
When has this thread ever turned to me?
It i s _y o u_ who carnalize the topic, snipping
the content relevant in order to make wood!
A k00k touting a rogue server is where you began, why divert?
Embarrassed at being proven so "k00k---y", k00k?
__________________
From: Some Guy <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: aioe.news.helpdesk,alt.free.newsservers
Subject: Re: Aioe's filter or posting broken?
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:09:38 -0500
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Lines: 29
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ScgRlDcUBeJ/39ptzRBeTw.user.speranza.aioe.org
And before Kerman gets all bent out of shape telling us that the admin
doesn't have to tell us squat (which of course is true) let me just say
that if you're going to go through the trouble of offering the public an
open NNTP server, it's strange to mix that spirit of philanthropy with
this degree of unnecessary operational opaqueness.
__________________
From: Home Guy <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair
Subject: Re: OT: Newsgroup client suggestions
Followup-To: alt.bullshit
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:52:23 -0500
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Lines: 34
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ScgRlDcUBeJ/39ptzRBeTw.user.speranza.aioe.org
Did you see how they tore up "news-announce" when he cross-posted this
to afn? Wasn't that funny - in a sad way? Just like you?
__________________
From: "news-announce" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair,rec.woodworking,alt.free.newsservers
Subject: Re: OT: Newsgroup client suggestions
Followup-To: alt.free.newsservers
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:09:00 -0500
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Lines: 224
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
One server claims to be run as a means of "free speech" for the oppressed
masses in foreign countries, something of a misnomer as those same countries
do not have "free" internet access, being largely censored feeds - AND - the
operator bans whole domains when banning the newsgroup fails.
_____________________________________________________________
Shuck my barnacles if that aint just pure k00k
speak where you post exactly what "news-announce"[sic]
posted two days earlier. Snipped out that poster's
comments, placed your sickness as a question providing
your own answer, k00k.
Just what caused your first cell split? Kermit haunting
your ass or Dustin booting your single cell verbal diarrhea
out of the ring... kookologists are watching, intrigued.
_____________________________________________________________
From: Virus Guy <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus,alt.privacy.spyware
Subject: Re: BD believes I'm a founding partner of PirateBay.
Followup-To: alt.bullshit
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 19:37:57 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Lines: 27
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <Xns9F1782FE97AB1HHI2948AJD832@no>
<[email protected]> <Xns9F17919D31626HHI2948AJD832@no>
<[email protected]> <Xns9F17CF3C2BFFDHHI2948AJD832@no>
<[email protected]> <Xns9F187BBFA511HHI2948AJD832@no>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<Xns9F18C3585B69AHHI2948AJD832@no>
NNTP-Posting-Host: YHphzxCzHyAo2+GkNtg3mQ.user.speranza.aioe.org
But you're still an asswipe, and you can come and try to pursue legal
action against me if you like - because I did slander your "reputation"
(if indeed you have one, which I doubt).
__________________
From: Home Guy <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair
Subject: Re: Just cut 30-foot tall 1.5 foot diameter oak (how long to dry out?)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:14:04 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Lines: 12
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: YHphzxCzHyAo2+GkNtg3mQ.user.speranza.aioe.org
I hope you burn in hell for that. Too bad the tree didn't knock you
down and split your skull open on the way down.
__________________
Asking WHOis Guy.com.
Registrant:
Mike Gleissner
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: GUY.COM
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.MEDIATEMPLE.NET
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Registrant:
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8520 National Blvd.
Building B
Culver City, CA 90232
US
Domain Name: MEDIATEMPLE.NET
Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :
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Phone: 877 578 4000
Fax: 866 293 0819
Record expires on 20-Jul-2021
________________________________________________________
How is it one slapped down wetback from the north gets to
use @guy.com in the Aioe.org sender field?
Do tell...k00k.
You own guy.com, k00k?
You do not own guy.com, k00k?
Home Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> > It's my educated guess that any ISP that's still running a usenet
>> > server today (or for the past 2 or 3 years) has sufficiently
>> > handicapped the server's ability to provide 100% complete multi-
>> > part binaries so as to thwart pirating / file-sharing and various
>> > types of illegal porn.
>>
>> ISP's are getting out of the newsfeed business just for the economics
>> of it - not many people are usenet users anymore.
>
Disinformation.
All north americas backbones got off hosting Usenet feeds as those clients
who did use them hosed the service in two ways.
a) overly wasteful downloads( downloading the same file multiple times)
and b) abuse of text groups hosted thereby causing support desk issues
with staffing, and costs.
Outsourcing the service (to retain customers for the ISP) is a choice those
ISP's hope will "filter" the complaints and deny much of bandwidth usage.
Only time will tell.
Where trends can be held as indicators of the reality of any future for Usenet
it could be said a ISP and NSP will be two separate billings for the home user.
Leaving aside the recent withdrawal of services from the Netherlands
Usenet is actually growing as the baby-boomer generation ages and even
more disgruntled whiny type retards as "Home Guy" look for places to
project their owned misery, freely and for Free.
>For one thing, if you're talking about usenet, you've got to separate
>binary and text.
>
Disinformation.
Many binary groups retain communities of txt'rs.
>There are different issues pertaining to those two purposes.
>
Your opinion... an opinion those who know you don't know would not give
a seconds attention to.
>My own ISP did something curious first for about 6 months before they
>pulled the plug on their usenet server about 5 years ago. They removed
>every group that had "teen" and "Disney" in the group name. I'll let
>you figure out what motived them to do that.
>
You know this how?
Most (normal) users will look at a groups list (newrsc) to determine
which groups held are of interest. Banned groups will not appear on that list.
So... ???
>ISP's were facing a lot of heat from law enforcement and RIAA/MPAA over
>usenet and that's the reason they turned off their servers. It wasn't
>cost - it's chump-change to operate a usenet server that carries
>binaries if your an ISP, and any hobbiest can do it if you limit it to
>text (just look at the free text servers out there run as a hobby).
>
Disinformation. No, worse... Bullshit.
No Free server of reliable mention is today run as a "hobby". All are
backed by good reason to exist. That prime reason is as the beta service
to the prime business, which is fully subscribed. One server claims to
be run as a means of "free speech" for the oppressed masses in foreign
countries, something of a misnomer as those same countries do not
have "free" internet access, being largely censored feeds - AND - the operator
bans whole domains when banning the newsgroup fails.
There are large numbers of free servers on lists throughout WWW
pages. Refer to those to see for yourself just how successful
an open server turns out for Joe Average.
>And it's very band-width efficient for an ISP to operate a binary news
>server. When your users can pull their warez and porn from a local
>machine instead of your internet back-bone connection, you come out
>ahead.
>
Bloody hell you are so FOS!
A little truth with a huge wedge of BS on top and you have yourself a
post. Right?
You are looking for information, I see that.
Denied. Do the work yourself, start with looking at just how the
"warez and porn" (sic) gets spooled on the ISP's machines.
>> Blogs, web sites, twitter, facebook and the like have
>> displaced usenet in the current generation.
>
>Sure they have, but again those are all text, and it costs peanuts for
>an ISP to run a text usenet service - with no legal or copyright
>downside.
>
When a support desk is overloaded with staff handling issues
from other users of Usenet about that ISP's client base there
is a significant real cost increase. Nobody will stop
spammers, trolls or the clearly insane, they all will just move
on. Moving them on costs money.
ISP's in north america finally woke up, and got out.
>> One look at the binary newsgroup for rec.woodworking, and
>> the people who access it from their own ISP is evidence
>> enough that ISP's are not handicapping server's ability
>> to provide a complete feed.
>
Look at the quality of posts.
The majority are so poorly presented efficient spools will drop them
in using TTL sweeps.
See my opening statement, and, today very few people repost
for the same reasons. Many posters today rely on PAR, as the
whine for reposts from losers with either a poor ISP or no clues
on "how to" download just p'd off those who had spent the time
to figure out how it all worked and then contribute.
>rec.woodworking is not a binary group flooded with multi-part binary
>feeds. You can't point to a text newsgroup as an example of how
>complete a news server is.
>
Disinformation.
What's more, with servers as Easynews and Highwinds moving huge
spools as access for the resellers there exists retention figures for text
groups that would boggle the average Joe in comprehending.
One example is groups with a moderate feed rate (~90 posts per day)
which are now available off the server for three years plus.
That ability is beyond any of the Free servers available at the time
of this post.
>> Multi-part binaries are being passed every day, and from all
>> outward appearances, by all existing servers that support binary.
>
>The vast majority of which are third-party paid servers, which exist for
>the sole purpose of hosting those binary posts and charging you to
>download them. They care little about the text groups.
>
Your opinion... an opinion those who know you don't know would not give
a seconds attention to.
>I continue to ask why anyone would use a paid usenet server just to
>access text groups.
Individuals make up this wonderful world we all live off, Individuals
form their owned individual personal reasons, so, "one size does not fit
all", as you appear to be touting.
One post in this thread gave out the prime reason best.
[Q] There are other people who think USENET is a valuable resource in it's
[Q] own right, and are willing to spend some of their own money in an effort
[Q] to ensure that it remains available for the long term.
Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:42:47 -0600 --- m'sieur Bonomi
Altruistic motivators aside, there remains the practical reasons of
access, support, retention and in many cases legal issues of privacy and
anonymity... all important factors in maintaining a Usenet presence if posting
is your bag.
For example?
AIOE.org is run by a dolt, one misguided and easily swayed,misled,confused
dolt. Would you trust your private information with being refused by such a person?
I see you nodding, dolt.
Hear this then.
Databasix is run by an individual with similar ideals to that of the AIOE.org dolt,
with a difference, an important difference. Ready to rise to a challenge, that
NSP operator has for many years been under scrutiny by many users of
Usenet, harangued and taunted by many a professional abuser he is yet to
cave in to publishing *any* personal information from the very subscribers
who have turned on him, turned because they were booted for abusing the
service.
https://signup.databasix.com/
All of Usenet is not as nice and cuddle friendly as rec.woodworking, right?
So *if* you move out of your comfort zone just which of the above two vehicles
would be the sane choice to strap yourself into?
Six bucks a month is cheap protection, for some.
->Why is eternal september better than aioe?
->
Totally subjective "better" is again an individual choice, but factors of acute
difference are retention, support (as in obtaining useful help - the AIOE.org
guy is handicapped with few grey cells working) and few people filter out
ES.org posts, as compared to AIOE.org being wholly filtered in some
newsgroups.
rec.woodworking could do worse than filter out all AIOE.org posys.
The situation her e is no differentto elsewhere like in the argumentive stopopid
post from AIOE.org.
Check my headers - my excuse is PEBKAC. I do not deny "stirring the pot".
->I don't mess with username and password with aioe. It gets my vote.
And so much the classic response of a spamming ass.
->So when a dolt has a retarded conversation with me, I'm the one at
->fault?
Your response displays your depth of understanding well so it is not
surprising to read you do not handle critique well. Hence the composition
of my two bits in follow-up to.
->1) why use a paid usenet server to read/write to text newsgroups?
Apend the dime and determine this for yourself. Usenet may be free
but expectations attract an expense, your time.
->2) why is eternal september better than aioe?
As above, AND.
Message-ID: <6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
Clearly the OP is only just below your understanding of how Usenet works
and therefore would not be aware of one of the basic tenets of
Usenet, which holds " Use the relevant newsgroup for the relevant query".
The question and then the whole thread should have been put to
alt.free.newsservers... but again, being clueless dolts running from an ISP
problem to Google Groups (in failing to use a search engine) the whole
of the thread ends up out in the ether, attracting opinion bereft of Fact.
However the exercise would have been wasted anyway as some months
ago a single individual - one "Seamus" Dertbyshire
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/msg/8b0b1ae85061c197?dmode=source
took the same privilege of anonymous login and used that to trash
alt.free.newsservers into oblivion, a nuked hole in Usenet.
So AIOE.org user, there is why ES.org is "better", for when that same individual
used ES.org to troll alt.free.newsservers he was booted from the server.
Google "Seamus McRae eternal-september k00k" and "Derbyshire kook"
Usually I would sign of with HTH.
As I read your contributions in rec.woodworking I see plainly none of it will, for you.
Usenet may well appreciate you being corrected, however.
--
alt.free.newsservers added and set for follow-up to.
Home Guy <[email protected]> writes:
>Metspitzer wrote:
>
>> > <http://www.eternal-september.org/>
>>
>> My vote for best is eternal september
>
>Why is eternal september better than aioe?
One must admit that the name 'eternal september' is a bit
of a joke; while the service they provide is anything but.
(In the early days of usenet, when most users were educational
institutions, every september a new crop of freshmen would be
introduced to usenet, and the next couple of months were crazy
newbie time. When ISP's started offering NNTP feeds, usenet
entered the "eternal september" zone, all newbies all the time).
scott
"SBH" wrote in message
news:6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
site.
If you are not against using micro$oft to view them, you could uses
news.aioe.org Very reliable, and free. No binaries groups.
-- Jim in NC
"SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
> site.
>
> Thank you
http://www.eternal-september.org/
Free, but no binaries. Has been very reliable for several years.
"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "SBH" wrote in message
> news:6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>
> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
> site.
>
> If you are not against using micro$oft to view them, you could uses
> news.aioe.org Very reliable, and free. No binaries groups.
>
> -- Jim in NC
Excellent!
I'm using it now.
Thank you Jim
"SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
> site.
>
> Thank you
I thank other suggestions as well and will keep them in mind if something
partakes which doesn't work out for me.
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:08:50 -0500, Morgans wrote:
> If you are not against using micro$oft to view them, you could uses
> news.aioe.org Very reliable, and free. No binaries groups.
Microsoft isn't required. I'm using aioe now running Pan under Linux.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On 11/27/2011 6:58 PM, SBH wrote:
> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
> site.
If you were accessing newsgroups through your local ISP until November
1st, there is no reason you cannot continue using the same client you
were using before then. What you need now is a *server*.
www.eternal-september.org is free, and they do a very good job of
eliminating spam.
"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:08:50 -0500, Morgans wrote:
> If you are not against using micro$oft to view them, you could uses
> news.aioe.org Very reliable, and free. No binaries groups.
Microsoft isn't required. I'm using aioe now running Pan under Linux.
*******************************
Good to know. For what little I do, outlook was great. Live 2011 sucks,
but outlook is not a choice with Windoz 7.
-- Jim in NC
Doug Miller wrote:
> On 11/27/2011 6:58 PM, SBH wrote:
>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
>> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
>> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>> site.
>
> If you were accessing newsgroups through your local ISP until November
> 1st, there is no reason you cannot continue using the same client you
> were using before then. What you need now is a *server*.
>
> www.eternal-september.org is free, and they do a very good job of
> eliminating spam.
>
Newsguy.com is good. I like the fact that they toss in a web site for
my use. About $65/yr, less than 20 cents a day. When you pay, you can
have expectations. Looks like it may not be the best deal in town, but
it's been working fine.
"Home Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Metspitzer wrote:
>
>> > <http://www.eternal-september.org/>
>>
>> My vote for best is eternal september
>
> Why is eternal september better than aioe?
I don't have to mess around switching.
>
> I don't mess with username and password with aioe. It gets my vote.
--
--
"Home Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> > Why is eternal september better than aioe?
>>
>> I don't have to mess around switching.
>
> Switching - what?
from eternal_September
--
--
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Justin Time wrote:
>> "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st.
>>> All the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called
>>> just now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>>> site.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>
>> I thank other suggestions as well and will keep them in mind if
>> something partakes which doesn't work out for me.
>
> Just a note - you're not looking for a client - a client is what you view
> newsgroup articles with. You're looking for a provider.
>
Yes, I stand corrected.
Thanks
"Home Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>> > Some here have responded by suggesting a paid usenet service,
>> > which is an absolutely asinine suggestion without knowing if
>> > you are a binary-file downloader - which I'm thinking you're
>> > not if you were using your ISP's usenet service.
Correct. I simply read and respond using Outlook Express.
>>
>> Most ISP's provided complete newsfeeeds - binaries and text,
>> while they were in that business.
>
> It's my educated guess that any ISP that's still running a usenet server
> today (or for the past 2 or 3 years) has sufficiently handicapped the
> server's ability to provide 100% complete multi-part binaries so as to
> thwart pirating / file-sharing and various types of illegal porn.
>
> If I'm wrong in this case about the OP's former news server, well I'll
> admit I'm wrong. The OP can tell us if he was a usenet downloader or
> not.
>
> The OP claims that his ISP discontinued it's usenet service. Unless I'm
> mistaken, I believe this would be that server:
>
> news.wowway.com
>
> And it seems to be up and running (it's asking for username at least).
>
> There is a cryptic message posted a few days ago about it:
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/faq/12396
>
> "It's over as of 20 Oct 11 - so much for a fixed price contract"
>
> Ah, here it is:
>
> http://www.ngrblog.com/wow-drops-usenet/
>
> ---------------
> Wide Open West, also known as WOW, is discontinuing their Usenet service
> on November 1, 2011. As with most other ISP's that offer access to
> newsgroups, the WOW team had partnered with a leading provider to give
> customers limited access to Usenet. Members would connect to
> news.wowway.com and download up to 5 GB a month. Starting tomorrow,
> November 1, 2011 the Usenet service will be discontinued.
> ----------------
Yes, I use WOW.
"SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
> site.
>
> Thank you
Eternal September has worked well for me for the last several years. It was
down briefly only once.
See: http://www.eternal-september.org/
There's no cost; but some AT&T e-mail addresses can't be registered.
Tomsic
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:09:55 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:58:36 -0800 (PST), SBH <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
>>the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
>>now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>>suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google site.
>
> Individual (www.individual.net) has been very good.
They were excellent, but the people they used to handle their payments
were a complete disaster (maybe n.i.n use someone else these days) - it's
the only time I've ever contacted an organisation to apologize for
leaving them :-)
(I'm using motzarella/eternal-september these days, with no complaints)
cheers
Jules
On 11/27/2011 7:34 PM, Justin Time wrote:
> "SBH"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
>> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
>> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>> site.
>>
>> Thank you
>
> I thank other suggestions as well and will keep them in mind if something
> partakes which doesn't work out for me.
>
>
I also use news.albasani.net Like news.eternal-september.org it's free
but does not allow binaries. The two news servers do not carry the same
groups so if one doesn't permit subscription to something you want, try
the other one.
On 11/27/2011 11:14 PM, Home Guy wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>> Newsguy.com is good. About $65/yr, less than 20 cents a day.
>
> And you use it for binary downloads - or just text?
>
>> When you pay, you can have expectations.
>
> The only thing I expect if I were to pay to access a usenet server would
> be to download binary posts. Do you have other expectations?
I paid for certain services. I have a contract.
>
> My binary downloads are satisfied gratis by one-click hosters (aka
> file-lockers).
HeyBub wrote:
> SBH wrote:
>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st.
>> All the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called
>> just now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>> site.
> Change ISPs. And tell your current provider why.
>
> You are NOT locked in to the ISP provided by the company that owns
> the pipe. My cable provider is Comcast, but I use EarthLink as my
> ISP. EarthLink provides Giganews at no additional charge.
Interesting. I didn't know that but I decided to check it out because I
have always resented the fact that Comcast and Verizon both killed off their
Usenet service that used to be included with my Internet service. I have
Comcast now and, based on what you wrote, I thought I would check to see if
I could change to EarthLink for Internet.
Unfortunately, when I went to EarthLink.com I found out that the only
Internet service they have in my area is DSL and Satellite. I can't use my
Comcast cable Internet service or Verizon FIOS (if I had that) to get
EarthLink Internet service. I assume that it is available elsewhere as you
have suggested, but not where I am located.
homeowners hub
"SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of
November 1st. All
the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I
called just
now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will
offer
suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this
Google
site.
Thank you
On 11/27/2011 7:28 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:6d4e7c5b-b7da-471d-a19b-1f3612fbd51e@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
>> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
>> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>> site.
>>
>> Thank you
>
>
> http://www.eternal-september.org/
>
> Free, but no binaries. Has been very reliable for several years.
That's what I've been using. Took a few tries to get it working, but no
trouble at all since then.
On 11/28/2011 9:03 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> Well, the IQ of the room will go up considerably as soon as you leave.
Not likely.
> This topic has been discussed to death here again and again.
Every topic has been discussed to death. In fact, bringing up that lame
argument has been discussed to death...
And it
> boils down to the guys who won't pay for binaries. And the guys who
> accept substandard service of some kind or another.
That's plain bogus. First, I use a free server, Eternal-September and
have not had any problems, no dropped mail, nothing. Second, I pay for
Astraweb for my binaries. So I use both free and paid, just on that,
you are wrong.
> Having somebody come by and start whining about it isn't going to change
> anything.
Whining has been discussed to death on here, again and again. Whining
about it won't change a thing. BTW, After reading about Astraweb on
here over and over, and over, I finally decided to try it out. So for
me, and I'm sure others, things did in fact change because of repeated
posts on the subject.
> Why is is so important to you? I don't need to read your
> incessant whining. I will just ignore this thread from now on.
--
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Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com
On 11/27/2011 9:54 PM, Home Guy wrote:
> Metspitzer wrote:
>
>>> <http://www.eternal-september.org/>
>>
>> My vote for best is eternal september
>
> Why is eternal september better than aioe?
>
> I don't mess with username and password with aioe. It gets my vote.
I don't know dick about aioe, but I don't like the idea of no username
and password. Too wide open for abuse for me.
How's that?
--
Jack
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http://jbstein.com
On 11/28/11 11:42 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 11/27/2011 9:54 PM, Home Guy wrote:
>> Metspitzer wrote:
>>
>>>> <http://www.eternal-september.org/>
>>>
>>> My vote for best is eternal september
>>
>> Why is eternal september better than aioe?
>>
>> I don't mess with username and password with aioe. It gets my vote.
>
> I don't know dick about aioe, but I don't like the idea of no username
> and password. Too wide open for abuse for me.
>
> How's that?
>
It isn't that open, the logging is pretty good, with aioe, the only
problem I had with them years ago was a 25 post limit/24 hours per IP.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On 11/28/11 4:51 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:10:54 -0500, Home Guy<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I follow a couple of binaries groups, so I do pay for Giganews.
>>
>> Well you should try aioe for the text groups and see if there's a
>> difference.
>
>
> Of course there is a difference. There would be no binaries.
>
That's like not buying a new car because it doesn't come with built-in GPS.
Who cares? The built-in (which is already woefully out of date) isn't as
good as any of the stand alone units, or any of the free gps apps you
can get for your phone.
This whole usenet process is woefully out of date which is why every isp
on earth has or will drop it. Yet, all the dinosaurs like us still use
it for whatever reason.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
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---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
"Home Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Justin Time wrote:
>
>> > Some here have responded by suggesting a paid usenet service,
>> > which is an absolutely asinine suggestion without knowing if
>> > you are a binary-file downloader
>>
>> Correct. I simply read and respond using Outlook Express.
>
> So the use of a free server (such as nntp.aioe.org) would be a
> satisfactory (if not cost-effective) replacement.
>
>> > news.wowway.com
>> >
>> > And it seems to be up and running (it's asking for username at
>> > least).
>>
>> Yes, I use WOW.
>
> That server (news.wowway.com) still seems to be up and running. What
> happens when you try to access it using your user-name and password?
The user name/password prompt window continues to pop up, I continue to
click OK and the process repeats.
On 11/28/2011 11:51 AM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 11/28/11 11:42 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 11/27/2011 9:54 PM, Home Guy wrote:
>>> I don't mess with username and password with aioe. It gets my vote.
>>
>> I don't know dick about aioe, but I don't like the idea of no username
>> and password. Too wide open for abuse for me.
>>
>> How's that?
> It isn't that open, the logging is pretty good, with aioe, the only
> problem I had with them years ago was a 25 post limit/24 hours per IP.
What does "logging" mean? To me it means user name and PW, and Home
Guy said he doesn't mess with username and password?
--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com
On 11/29/11 1:32 PM, Jack wrote:
> On 11/28/2011 11:51 AM, FrozenNorth wrote:
>> On 11/28/11 11:42 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 11/27/2011 9:54 PM, Home Guy wrote:
>
>>>> I don't mess with username and password with aioe. It gets my vote.
>>>
>>> I don't know dick about aioe, but I don't like the idea of no username
>>> and password. Too wide open for abuse for me.
>>>
>>> How's that?
>
>
>> It isn't that open, the logging is pretty good, with aioe, the only
>> problem I had with them years ago was a 25 post limit/24 hours per IP.
>
> What does "logging" mean? To me it means user name and PW, and Home Guy
> said he doesn't mess with username and password?
>
They do log posts by IP, and will do do drop certain IPs as being valid
to post from, it is pretty well run, but is just a hobby for the guy, so
there is no guarantee of uptime, feed, and retention is just horrible etc.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On 11/29/2011 10:33 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, Jack<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/28/2011 9:03 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
> [sneck]
>>
>> That's plain bogus. First, I use a free server, Eternal-September and
>> have not had any problems, no dropped mail, nothing.
> You, sir, "Don't know what you don't know".<grin>
I understand, but, when I participate in a thread, I think I know when a
thread is missing messages. I have not noticed it ever with E-S.
> It has been -proven- that Eternal-September has been 'over-aggressively'
> (and ERRONEOUSLY) filtering out at least some 'legitimate' postings, since
> early June of this year, IN A NEWSGROUP YOU PARTICIPATE IN.
I know they updated their spam filter in June and a few shaky posts may
have been filtered, but this was known and supposedly looked into. I
never noticed even a blip.
I get 14 text newsgroups from E-S and have not noticed any problems.
Granted, I don't read every message, but when I participate in threads,
I would sooner or later notice replies to messages I never saw. Hasn't
happened to me once with E-S that I recall, but did happen just once
with Astraweb.
If it doesn't happen enough for me to recall, then it is too rare to
worry about.
--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com
Unless you follow on a second server, you'd have no way to
know.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Jack" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> You, sir, "Don't know what you don't know".<grin>
I understand, but, when I participate in a thread, I think I
know when a
thread is missing messages. I have not noticed it ever with
E-S.
On 11/29/2011 12:42 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, Home Guy<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Newsguy.com is good. About $65/yr, less than 20 cents a day.
>>
>> And you use it for binary downloads - or just text?
>>
>>> When you pay, you can have expectations.
>>
>> The only thing I expect if I were to pay to access a usenet server would
>> be to download binary posts. Do you have other expectations?
>
> For the narrow-minded simpleton who believes *HIS* way is the only 'right' way:
I sure don't think my way is the only right way, BUT, I am sure
Eternal-September works in every way (other than binaries) as Giganews
worked when Comcast provided it.
> A paid provider -- even if used only for text groups -- may well provide
> any, or *all*, of the following benefits:
> 1) longer retentions of messages
Never been an issue for me.
> 2) _faster_ responses by the servers -- because they're geographically
> 'closer', or less heavily loaded, or have 'bigger pipes', or higher-
> performing hardware, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
None of this has been an issue for me. I send a message, I get it back
almost instantly. It's been years, but I notice little difference in
speed of D/l between Comcasts Giganews and E-S. If there is a
difference, it is too little to notice.
> 3) 'more extensive' lists of newsgroups (including 'text only' groups)
8000 groups is plenty. Never looked for a non-binary group E-S didn't
carry.
> 4) fewer falsely "filtered out" messages
The only way I know you could "know" this is by noticing a difference.
I have not noticed a difference, period.
> 5) *TELEPHONE* support, when need/desired
E-S has a group that works well and web based support. Never needed it
but looks like it would serve.
> 6) "higher reliability" in the delivery of service. *EVERY* 'free'
> NNTP server operator that I am aware of has had at least one
> 'significant' outage (as in multiple hours) within the last 5 years.
> As have the 'bargain-basement' paid providers like Astraweb, and
> individual.net
I've only has Astraweb since Sept, and no problems. E-S I've had for
years, since Comcast dropped usenet, and I vaguely recall a problem with
something that changed and I had to reset all my groups, don't recall
what it was, but the server was never down that I know of.
> Major 'commercial grade' providers-- like the former SuperNews,
> NewsGuy, Giganews, etc. -- have had a _combined_ 'downtime' over
> the last TEN YEARS, that is measured in the low tens of minutes.
Perhaps, but I recall more than once Giganews was down for many hours,
and when I contacted Comcast, they had no idea what was going on, and I
was told by at least one tech that they didn't provide newsgroups, when
they did. After lots of BS, I found someone that did, and he simply
said the server was down. I was obvious to me that comcast support
staff was clueless when it came to usenet, the people at E-S are not.
> 7) *assurance* of availability "tomorrow". Contractual -guarantees-
> of at least 30-90 days notice are important to some people.
I reckon, but to most people, newsgroups are just a nasty hobby.
> 8) Better, more complete, support of 'optional' components in the
> NNTP protocol, which can result in _order-of-magnitude_ (or more)
> higher performance in a news client doing sophisticated 'selection'
> (or, conversely, 'filtering') of messages for display.
I don't have a clue about the above, and after too many years of this
stuff, whatever that means is meaningless to me, cause I haven't
noticed, not with Giganews, E-S nor Astraweb.
> These things _DO_ matter to some people.
Most of them sound like they would matter, but not one of them has been
noticeable by me between Giganews, E-S or Astraweb.
> There are other people who think USENET is a valuable resource in it's
> own right, and are willing to spend some of their own money in an effort
> to ensure that it remains available for the long term.
Are you thinking paying money for access will increase it's longevity?
My thinking is eliminating the free access by the main providers
(Comcast and Verison) damned near killed newsgroups, and the free ones
like Eternal-September, and the cheap ones like Astraweb and
Usenet-news.net is about all that keeps them going. If they go, then so
will Usenet, imo.
--
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http://jbstein.com
On 11/28/2011 10:50 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 11/27/2011 4:58 PM, SBH wrote:
>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
>> the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
>> now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>> site.
> http://usenet-news.net/
> pricing is at http://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=get
Excellent pricing there. I use Astraweb @$10 for 25 gigs. I only do 4
binary photo groups, not music or apps, and I used 1 gig in 3 months, so
it should last me 75 months, or 6 years. 200 gigs at usenet-news would
only last me 50 years, and fortunately for you guys, I will NOT be
around for all that.
--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com
On 11/29/2011 2:02 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Unless you follow on a second server, you'd have no way to
> know.
I would know when I read a message, say this one, and notice I never saw
the original message to which you are replying.
>> > You, sir, "Don't know what you don't know".<grin>
> Jack wrote in message.
> I understand, but, when I participate in a thread, I think I
> know when a thread is missing messages. I have not noticed it ever with
> E-S.
--
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Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com
"Home Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> >> > Why is eternal september better than aioe?
>> >>
>> >> I don't have to mess around switching.
>> >
>> > Switching - what?
>>
>> from eternal_September
>
> What a brain trust we have around here.
Yeah, some just keep repeating and repeating and ...
--
--
"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Jack <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>On 11/28/2011 9:03 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
> [sneck]
>>
>>That's plain bogus. First, I use a free server, Eternal-September and
>>have not had any problems, no dropped mail, nothing.
>
> You, sir, "Don't know what you don't know". <grin>
>
> It has been -proven- that Eternal-September has been 'over-aggressively'
> (and ERRONEOUSLY) filtering out at least some 'legitimate' postings, since
> early June of this year, IN A NEWSGROUP YOU PARTICIPATE IN.
>
>
And we all caught it on the replies and the provider fixed the problem. Dead
Issue!
--
--
"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11/29/11 1:32 PM, Jack wrote:
>> On 11/28/2011 11:51 AM, FrozenNorth wrote:
>>> On 11/28/11 11:42 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>> On 11/27/2011 9:54 PM, Home Guy wrote:
>>
>>>>> I don't mess with username and password with aioe. It gets my vote.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know dick about aioe, but I don't like the idea of no username
>>>> and password. Too wide open for abuse for me.
>>>>
>>>> How's that?
>>
>>
>>> It isn't that open, the logging is pretty good, with aioe, the only
>>> problem I had with them years ago was a 25 post limit/24 hours per IP.
>>
>> What does "logging" mean? To me it means user name and PW, and Home Guy
>> said he doesn't mess with username and password?
>>
> They do log posts by IP, and will do do drop certain IPs as being valid to
> post from, it is pretty well run, but is just a hobby for the guy, so
> there is no guarantee of uptime, feed, and retention is just horrible etc.
>
You don't suppose Home Guy ... Naaah, nobody would spam that much.
On 11/29/2011 12:47 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 11/29/11 1:32 PM, Jack wrote:
>> On 11/28/2011 11:51 AM, FrozenNorth wrote:
>>> On 11/28/11 11:42 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>> On 11/27/2011 9:54 PM, Home Guy wrote:
>>
>>>>> I don't mess with username and password with aioe. It gets my vote.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know dick about aioe, but I don't like the idea of no username
>>>> and password. Too wide open for abuse for me.
>>>>
>>>> How's that?
>>
>>
>>> It isn't that open, the logging is pretty good, with aioe, the only
>>> problem I had with them years ago was a 25 post limit/24 hours per IP.
>>
>> What does "logging" mean? To me it means user name and PW, and Home Guy
>> said he doesn't mess with username and password?
>>
> They do log posts by IP, and will do do drop certain IPs as being valid
> to post from, it is pretty well run, but is just a hobby for the guy, so
> there is no guarantee of uptime, feed, and retention is just horrible etc.
>
Frozz! Wut up, eh?! ^_^
TDD
In article <[email protected]>, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/29/2011 12:42 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>, Home Guy<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>> Newsguy.com is good. About $65/yr, less than 20 cents a day.
>>>
>>> And you use it for binary downloads - or just text?
>>>
>>>> When you pay, you can have expectations.
>>>
>>> The only thing I expect if I were to pay to access a usenet server would
>>> be to download binary posts. Do you have other expectations?
>>
>> For the narrow-minded simpleton who believes *HIS* way is the only
>'right' way:
>
>I sure don't think my way is the only right way, BUT, I am sure
>Eternal-September works in every way (other than binaries) as Giganews
>worked when Comcast provided it.
>
>> A paid provider -- even if used only for text groups -- may well provide
>> any, or *all*, of the following benefits:
>> 1) longer retentions of messages
>
>Never been an issue for me.
The fact that it is not an issue _for_you_ does not mean that it is not
a valid concern for other people. I personally, have, on rare occasions,
needed to track down a posting that was several years old.
>
>> 2) _faster_ responses by the servers -- because they're geographically
>> 'closer', or less heavily loaded, or have 'bigger pipes', or higher-
>> performing hardware, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
>
>None of this has been an issue for me. I send a message, I get it back
>almost instantly. It's been years, but I notice little difference in
>speed of D/l between Comcasts Giganews and E-S. If there is a
>difference, it is too little to notice.
Demonstrating, again, that you "Dont know what you don't know" about
what is important to other people.
>
>> 3) 'more extensive' lists of newsgroups (including 'text only' groups)
>
>8000 groups is plenty. Never looked for a non-binary group E-S didn't
>carry.
_YOUR_ expectations/experiences are *NOT* universal.
>> 4) fewer falsely "filtered out" messages
>
>The only way I know you could "know" this is by noticing a difference.
"Ignorance in action." I "know" it happens because I have read posted
complaints by users of various 'free' systems that they see responses,
but -not- the message that is being replied to. When -multiple- users
from the _same_ service complain about the absence of the SAME messages,
It is pretty conclusive evidence. When one of them posts a copy of a
message *from* the provider _admitting_ that those messages were dropped,
That is *conclusive* proof of it happening.
>I have not noticed a difference, period.
Proving only that _you_ have not 'noticed' it -- it does not even prove
that it 'doesn't happen" with the message threads you do read. It only
BTW, it happens that I *do* 'notice' the same thing, 'falsely dropped
messages', on paid providers, as well.
I happen to use a newsreader that displays 'state' information for
-every- message 'referenced' in any 'newer' postings -- even if the
message is 15 (or more) levels of response prior to the current message.
>
>> 5) *TELEPHONE* support, when need/desired
>
>E-S has a group that works well and web based support. Never needed it
>but looks like it would serve.
*YOUR* opinion is not -universal- on that matter.
>
>> 6) "higher reliability" in the delivery of service. *EVERY* 'free'
>> NNTP server operator that I am aware of has had at least one
>> 'significant' outage (as in multiple hours) within the last 5 years.
>> As have the 'bargain-basement' paid providers like Astraweb, and
>> individual.net
>
>I've only has Astraweb since Sept, and no problems. E-S I've had for
>years, since Comcast dropped usenet, and I vaguely recall a problem with
>something that changed and I had to reset all my groups, don't recall
>what it was, but the server was never down that I know of.
I know people that have used Astraweb for multiple years. Within the
last twelve months, there has been 'more than one' occasion where they
have reported -- using alternate access methods -- that specific newsgroups,
at least, have failed to display *any* new articles for periods of -days-.
DESPITE other newsservers showing several hundred new messages in that
newsgroup.
>> Major 'commercial grade' providers-- like the former SuperNews,
>> NewsGuy, Giganews, etc. -- have had a _combined_ 'downtime' over
>> the last TEN YEARS, that is measured in the low tens of minutes.
>
>Perhaps, but I recall more than once Giganews was down for many hours,
Again, you "don't know what you don't know".
The TOTAL downtime for either of Giganews' US server complexes since 2004
is approximately _12 minutes_, spread across 5 separate incidents.
What you were hit by was a failure of the "authentication server' -- owned,
operated, and maintained by the 'reseller' (or the wholesale-services-buying
ISP)
>and when I contacted Comcast, they had no idea what was going on,
Comcast has a long-standing reputation for cluelessness. Especially if it
doesn't involve Windows boxes, the world-wide-web, or their hosted email
service.
>> 7) *assurance* of availability "tomorrow". Contractual -guarantees-
>> of at least 30-90 days notice are important to some people.
>
>I reckon, but to most people, newsgroups are just a nasty hobby.
>
>> 8) Better, more complete, support of 'optional' components in the
>> NNTP protocol, which can result in _order-of-magnitude_ (or more)
>> higher performance in a news client doing sophisticated 'selection'
>> (or, conversely, 'filtering') of messages for display.
>
>I don't have a clue about the above, and after too many years of this
>stuff, whatever that means is meaningless to me, cause I haven't
>noticed, not with Giganews, E-S nor Astraweb.
*MANY* newsreader programs -cannot- filter on content in headers that are
not in the 'XOVER' headers, nor accessible by XPAT'.
Those newsreaders that -can- so filter are ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE slower at
so doing, Because they cannot make -one- request to the server for a
certain group/class of articles, and get a list of matching IDs, but have
to make a separate retrieval request for the headers of -each- article
find the selected header and check the content thereof.
>> These things _DO_ matter to some people.
>
>Most of them sound like they would matter, but not one of them has been
>noticeable by me between Giganews, E-S or Astraweb.
Proving only that you have 'limited experience' with such matters.
>> There are other people who think USENET is a valuable resource in it's
>> own right, and are willing to spend some of their own money in an effort
>> to ensure that it remains available for the long term.
>
>Are you thinking paying money for access will increase it's longevity?
It is a fact that -none- of the 'free' providers would continue to exist if
the pay providers went away. They simply would not be able to afford the
resources -- particularly in staff, but also in 'bandwidth' costs -- to
maintain the required connectivity to other nodes.
Somewhere over 90% of _all_ USENET traffic passes through one of a handful
of remaining 'backbone' sites. The former widespread 'mesh' of multiply-
connected sites has very nearly collapsed into a 'star' topology.
In article <[email protected]>,
Metspitzer <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:36:04 -0600, [email protected]
>(Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>
>>_YOUR_ expectations/experiences are *NOT* universal.
>>
>Are you sure this is not all about me? I always thought it was. :)
'... you probably think this newsgroup is about you.' To misquote
a circa 1970 pop tune.
In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:26:09 -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
>> oh Wow. such a -heavy- user.
>> For comparison, I am subscribed to over TWO HUNDRED FIFTY _text_
>> newsgroups.
>
>When do you do woodworking?
A lot of them are very low volume. Like, less than a dozen messages a YEAR.
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:58:36 -0800 (PST), SBH <[email protected]> wrote:
>My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st. All
>the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called just
>now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>site.
Individual (www.individual.net) has been very good. It's about $14/yr and has
an excellent spam filter. Almost all the spam I see is from people answering
it. I rarely see the original. No binaries, though.
Ron wrote:
> HeyBub wrote:
>> SBH wrote:
>>> My local ISP discontinued access to newsgroups as of November 1st.
>>> All the while I was wondering why I couldn't connect until I called
>>> just now. Therefore, I am hoping many of you good people will offer
>>> suggestions on newsgroup clients I can use, other than this Google
>>> site.
>
>> Change ISPs. And tell your current provider why.
>>
>> You are NOT locked in to the ISP provided by the company that owns
>> the pipe. My cable provider is Comcast, but I use EarthLink as my
>> ISP. EarthLink provides Giganews at no additional charge.
>
> Interesting. I didn't know that but I decided to check it out
> because I have always resented the fact that Comcast and Verizon both
> killed off their Usenet service that used to be included with my
> Internet service. I have Comcast now and, based on what you wrote, I
> thought I would check to see if I could change to EarthLink for
> Internet.
> Unfortunately, when I went to EarthLink.com I found out that the only
> Internet service they have in my area is DSL and Satellite. I can't
> use my Comcast cable Internet service or Verizon FIOS (if I had that)
> to get EarthLink Internet service. I assume that it is available
> elsewhere as you have suggested, but not where I am located.
"To order EarthLink Cable over Comcast lines, call 1-866-570-8333 and they
will initiate the switch. The first step is to speak with the EL rep and
check availability. They will then set you up with your first email address
and then transfer you to Comcast so they can make the switch on their end.
Comcast takes about 10-15 minutes to do their part and they will either call
you back or you can stay on hold for the next step. They will send you to
the online provisioning page to reprovision you with EarthLink as your ISP.
Your domain will then switch from Comcast to EarthLink."
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/ecable/4.0_Earthlink_Pwd._by_Comcast
Good luck.
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:43:17 -0500, Home Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> > Try the Astraweb "pay by download" plan. $10 has kept me going for
>> > a few years with more to come.
>> ----------------------------
>> It's a winner.
>
>I'd like those that use a paid usenet server tell us why they're better
>than the free servers - assuming they only use them for the text groups
>that is.
I follow a couple of binaries groups, so I do pay for Giganews. Aside
from that, the free server I used a while back was unreliable. It
missed a lot of posts. The paid server would show say, 100 posts in a
given time period, the free server would have about 90.
Perhaps other free servers are better, but my initial experience with
two of them sucked.
There are probably others paid servers as good, but cheaper than the
2.99 for Giganews, but I'm too lazy to risk making the change.
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:54:11 -0500, Home Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>Metspitzer wrote:
>
>> > <http://www.eternal-september.org/>
>>
>> My vote for best is eternal september
>
>Why is eternal september better than aioe?
>
>I don't mess with username and password with aioe. It gets my vote.
You voted twice :)
On 2011-11-28, Home Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
> 1) why use a paid usenet server to read/write to text newsgroups?
> 2) why is eternal september better than aioe?
>
>> And it boils down to the guys who won't pay for binaries.
>
> Um, no it doesn't.
> If you want text - WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PAY FOR THEM?
> Asking questions and pointing out when others evade them is not whining.
No, but dismissing every answer you've received clearly shows you
don't really want any answers to your constantly evolving questions,
you jes wanna argue. Sorry, but I already have one Alzheimers mom for
that.
nb
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:08:35 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Home Guy wrote:
>
>>
>> Some here have responded by suggesting a paid usenet service, which is
>> an absolutely asinine suggestion without knowing if you are a
>> binary-file downloader - which I'm thinking you're not if you were
>> using your ISP's usenet service.
>
>Most ISP's provided complete newsfeeeds - binaries and text, while they were
>in that business.
Charter is the only ISP I know of that still furnishes Usenet. Any
more?
The project pictures would not be available without binaries. This could be
important, even to woodworkers.
www.teranews.com works for all groups (binaries included) for $3.95 one
time fee and a limit of 50-65MB per day.
It has been known to collapse occasionally for a few days at a time in the
last few on the freebie accounts. Probably somebody's hobby servers.
----------
"-MIKE-" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
That's like not buying a new car because it doesn't come with built-in GPS.
Who cares? The built-in (which is already woefully out of date) isn't as
good as any of the stand alone units, or any of the free gps apps you
can get for your phone.
This whole usenet process is woefully out of date which is why every isp
on earth has or will drop it. Yet, all the dinosaurs like us still use
it for whatever reason.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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