I Am Doing A Great Deal Of Research On Replacing My Kitchen Cabinets.
Every Place I Go To Uses Differant Terms. Can Someone Help.
What Is A Butt Door No The Hinges
Veneer Frame Vs Sold Frame With Veneer Panel
I Think I Have Found A Cabinet Web Site That Sells For Much Less Then
My Local Home Improvement Stores But I Want To Get It All Right
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JAMIEB
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:24:37 GMT, [email protected] (Malcolm Hoar)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, JAMIEB <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>I Am Doing A Great Deal Of Research On Replacing My Kitchen Cabinets.
>>Every Place I Go To Uses Differant Terms. Can Someone Help.
>>What Is A Butt Door No The Hinges
>>Veneer Frame Vs Sold Frame With Veneer Panel
>>I Think I Have Found A Cabinet Web Site That Sells For Much Less Then
>>My Local Home Improvement Stores But I Want To Get It All Right
>
>First, think about the features that are important to you:
>
>* External finish? Do you want natural wood for appearance,
> laminate for durability or whatever?
>
>* Internal finish? Laminate is easy to keep clean and sealed
> particle board is a bitch.
>
>* Frames? You want strength for durability and also to support
> a solid countertop.
>
>* Decide if you want to pay a premium for really good quality
> hinges, drawer glides etc.
>
>* Accessories? Do you want special roll-outs, a rice dispenser
> or other such fittings in a matching finish?
>
>When in the showroom, look at the drawers very carefully. The
>quality of materials, construction, glides etc. is usually
>pretty indicative of the quality of the rest of the cabinet,
>in my experience.
Be careful with that one- while it may be true with big-box cabinets
where everything is made in one factory, it's often (though not
always) the case that door fronts and drawers are made by an outside
vendor in smaller cabinet shops. In that case, the drawers can be
much better or worse (usually better, truth be told) than the cabinets
themselves.
Jamie
By your question I am assuming that you are looking at 'handmade' or
'bespoke' kitchens. The frame (stile and rail) of the door is usually
made of solid wood and many cabinet makers (including Norm from the New
Yankee Workshop) use veneered panels for the centre of the doors.
Veneered Ply or MDF is more structurally stable than solid wood, but
IMHO can never be a true replacement for solid timber.
If the doors are butt hung then they use butt hinges (ie the type you
get in household doors) and have a more traditional appearance to the
MFI type method which use Euro hinges and doors are set on the outside
of the carcase. This is a matter of aesthetics of what you prefer.
There are many companies, as eluded to already, who claim to do
handmade or bespoke kitchens, but who in reality are merely buying in
componens from companies with CNC machines. While the quality is often
excellent in these products, I do fee they have a cheek saying they are
handmade and charging the prices they do.
The cabinet chose is most critical. MFI and the likes use Laminated
chipboard. Some people use veneered MDF, others Ply and others build in
solid wood. Whilst I will sometimes build in solid wood, I usually use
marine grade ply for this purpose as this give the desired strength and
stability to last a very long time and put up with any future
dishwasher/washing machine leaks.
I personally make drawers using dovetail joints, but this is not
necessary and you shouldn't be put off a kitchen just because it doesnt
use this method. It is time consuming, very strong and very aesthetic,
but there are many other jointing methods that give more than enough
strength and are much quicker to produce.
Finally runner chose is also important. These can take some abuse in a
kitchen. Its worth looking at the runners on your chosen kitchen to
assess whether they look substantial enough.
Hoping all this helps
Calum Sabey (Newark Traditional Kitchens 01556 690544)
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 01:59:19 GMT, [email protected] (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
>Well, I'm sure that happens but it's not very common, IMO.
>
>In any event, the drawers are still worthy of special attention.
>There's much more to go wrong than there is with the frame --
>fronts falling off, bottoms dropping out, glides failing etc.
>
>And I'm not suggesting that one ignore the rest of the cabinet;
>just giving the drawers some extra attention.
For sure... Not a good thing to be raiding the refrigerator at 3am and having a
drawer stick closed or come all the way out and land on your bare foot...
DAMHIKT
Mac
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:57:55 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Go somewhere locally ... you will not be sorry that you did.
I like the imported cabinets where they run the doors through an
aggressive wide belt sander, putting an amazing cross-scratch pattern
on the stiles.
What a decorative effect! <G>
As for buying from a website, only if you can visit their facilities. So you
know EXACTLY what you are getting. Remember though in Kitchen design the
Counter tops and space will have the most effect since the majority of your
time is spent in prep work. If money is tight think first about the counter
top and sink, then the flooring, appliances then cabinets. As for cabinets
themselves Construction is actually more important then material. Solid wood
depending would be paramount, but remember someone can make shit out of
anything wood, particle board, ply and cardboard.
as for your questions it's not always as easy because some company's define
things differently. Veneer is always a venear, whereas solid frame could
mean solid wood, solid composite etc etc. Over all get a Lee Valley
Catalog... it will help you to see the terms many use...........
"JAMIEB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I Am Doing A Great Deal Of Research On Replacing My Kitchen Cabinets.
> Every Place I Go To Uses Differant Terms. Can Someone Help.
> What Is A Butt Door No The Hinges
> Veneer Frame Vs Sold Frame With Veneer Panel
> I Think I Have Found A Cabinet Web Site That Sells For Much Less Then
> My Local Home Improvement Stores But I Want To Get It All Right
>
>
>
>
> --
> JAMIEB
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:24:37 GMT, [email protected] (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
>First, think about the features that are important to you:
>
>* External finish? Do you want natural wood for appearance,
> laminate for durability or whatever?
>
>* Internal finish? Laminate is easy to keep clean and sealed
> particle board is a bitch.
>
>* Frames? You want strength for durability and also to support
> a solid countertop.
>
>* Decide if you want to pay a premium for really good quality
> hinges, drawer glides etc.
>
>* Accessories? Do you want special roll-outs, a rice dispenser
> or other such fittings in a matching finish?
>
>When in the showroom, look at the drawers very carefully. The
>quality of materials, construction, glides etc. is usually
>pretty indicative of the quality of the rest of the cabinet,
>in my experience.
Damn, Malch! I thought your name sounded familiar and after looking at your page
I saw the Best Comm part...
You were one of the many early users on Best that taught me the internet and got
me started out writing web pages... back before Al Gore even invented it!
VERY small world!
Mac
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm
In article <[email protected]>, JAMIEB <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I Am Doing A Great Deal Of Research On Replacing My Kitchen Cabinets.
>Every Place I Go To Uses Differant Terms. Can Someone Help.
>What Is A Butt Door No The Hinges
>Veneer Frame Vs Sold Frame With Veneer Panel
>I Think I Have Found A Cabinet Web Site That Sells For Much Less Then
>My Local Home Improvement Stores But I Want To Get It All Right
First, think about the features that are important to you:
* External finish? Do you want natural wood for appearance,
laminate for durability or whatever?
* Internal finish? Laminate is easy to keep clean and sealed
particle board is a bitch.
* Frames? You want strength for durability and also to support
a solid countertop.
* Decide if you want to pay a premium for really good quality
hinges, drawer glides etc.
* Accessories? Do you want special roll-outs, a rice dispenser
or other such fittings in a matching finish?
When in the showroom, look at the drawers very carefully. The
quality of materials, construction, glides etc. is usually
pretty indicative of the quality of the rest of the cabinet,
in my experience.
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In article <[email protected]>, Prometheus <[email protected]> wrote:
>>When in the showroom, look at the drawers very carefully. The
>>quality of materials, construction, glides etc. is usually
>>pretty indicative of the quality of the rest of the cabinet,
>>in my experience.
>
>Be careful with that one- while it may be true with big-box cabinets
>where everything is made in one factory, it's often (though not
>always) the case that door fronts and drawers are made by an outside
>vendor in smaller cabinet shops. In that case, the drawers can be
>much better or worse (usually better, truth be told) than the cabinets
>themselves.
Well, I'm sure that happens but it's not very common, IMO.
In any event, the drawers are still worthy of special attention.
There's much more to go wrong than there is with the frame --
fronts falling off, bottoms dropping out, glides failing etc.
And I'm not suggesting that one ignore the rest of the cabinet;
just giving the drawers some extra attention.
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|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| [email protected] Gary Player. |
| http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>Damn, Malch! I thought your name sounded familiar and after looking at your
>page I saw the Best Comm part...
>
>You were one of the many early users on Best that taught me the internet and
>got me started out writing web pages... back before Al Gore even invented it!
>
>VERY small world!
Very big network ;-)
Also very nice to meet again!
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|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| [email protected] Gary Player. |
| http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:51:28 GMT, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:57:55 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Go somewhere locally ... you will not be sorry that you did.
>
>I like the imported cabinets where they run the doors through an
>aggressive wide belt sander, putting an amazing cross-scratch pattern
>on the stiles.
>
>What a decorative effect! <G>
they don't charge extra for the non-skid surface?
Mac
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 01:59:19 GMT, [email protected] (Malcolm Hoar)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Prometheus <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>When in the showroom, look at the drawers very carefully. The
>>>quality of materials, construction, glides etc. is usually
>>>pretty indicative of the quality of the rest of the cabinet,
>>>in my experience.
>>
>>Be careful with that one- while it may be true with big-box cabinets
>>where everything is made in one factory, it's often (though not
>>always) the case that door fronts and drawers are made by an outside
>>vendor in smaller cabinet shops. In that case, the drawers can be
>>much better or worse (usually better, truth be told) than the cabinets
>>themselves.
>
>Well, I'm sure that happens but it's not very common, IMO.
Really? It's been three for three in my experience. Seems foreign
drawer vendors can dovetail quicker and cheaper than cabinetmakers,
and raised panel doors were the same story. Might just be my area,
but that was what I have seen. I'll admit it left a very sour taste
in my mouth, but I wasn't the boss. In each case, the cabinets were
sold as custom handmade cabinets.
>In any event, the drawers are still worthy of special attention.
>There's much more to go wrong than there is with the frame --
>fronts falling off, bottoms dropping out, glides failing etc.
I'll agree with that one, no reservations.
>And I'm not suggesting that one ignore the rest of the cabinet;
>just giving the drawers some extra attention.
I'll give you that one, too. I was just pointing out that the drawers
may be the jewels of the cabinets, and it pays to be careful when it
comes to evaluating the whole. It's amazing the short cuts some
relatively "high-end" shops take to get product out the door.
"JAMIEB" wrote in message
>
> I Am Doing A Great Deal Of Research On Replacing My Kitchen Cabinets.
> Every Place I Go To Uses Differant Terms. Can Someone Help.
> What Is A Butt Door No The Hinges
> Veneer Frame Vs Sold Frame With Veneer Panel
> I Think I Have Found A Cabinet Web Site That Sells For Much Less Then
> My Local Home Improvement Stores But I Want To Get It All Right
The Terminology Notwithstanding, You Do NOT Want To Buy Any Cabinets Without
Being Able To Fondle Them In Person.
Go somewhere locally ... you will not be sorry that you did.
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