Hi all,
I'm looking to upgrade my TS from a Delta/Rockwell 9" and I found a 12"
Powermatic advertised (big leap up). The details 5hp single ph 240v, Bisy
fence, cast iron extensions ,0 Clearance insert, dado blade& insert, mobile
base. Used in a home builders cabinet shop, say's its in ex condition. I
don't know how old. I googled and found very little on 12" PM TS but many
happy PM owners. I'm going to look at it later this week and would like any
tips on inspecting it, pitfalls to look out for ,ect. I will bring a dial
indicator and ck runout, and I believe it's under power right now.
Thanks,
Andrew V
"Andrew V" <[email protected]> writes:
>morticer(mod 400) Tennioner(2A) all in good shape all single phase.What's a
>good price any sugestion's? (asking $2k for the saw and $1500 for the
>jointer) Looking around I get the feel the saw is @ a reasonable starting
>point but I think the jointer is way high.
The jointer is quite high. A brand new PM60A can be bought for around
that price. PM has the new PM60B I assume made in Taiwan/China for just
$1150. The PM60A and B look the same in pictures.
Do you really need a 12" saw? A brand new PM66 with 3HP motor can be
bought for the same $2000. A 5HP version is $2300.
I'm not saying a brand new tool is better than old iron. Old iron can be
better if it was well taken care of and not run into the ground.
Brian Elfert
Patriarch <[email protected]> writes:
>The numbers seem big to me, too. I just bought a completely refurbed
>Delta/Milwaukee 8" jointer, w/60" or so of length, and paid a little
>under $800. In California. Reground everything to under .001. New
>blades, etc. From one of the fellows who hangs out electronically with
>Unisaw A100, (owwm.com) and is in my analog woodworking club. While I
>loved the price and the tool, this was an 'open market price' type of
>deal.
I had the opportunity recently to buy a Delta DJ-20 for $750. It was
supposedly in good condition, but I didn't go look at it.
I was really tempted, but I decided to pass because it would be almost
impossible to get into my basement.
Brian Elfert
Andrew V wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking to upgrade my TS from a Delta/Rockwell 9" and I found a 12"
> Powermatic advertised (big leap up). The details 5hp single ph 240v, Bisy
> fence, cast iron extensions ,0 Clearance insert, dado blade& insert, mobile
> base. Used in a home builders cabinet shop, say's its in ex condition. I
> don't know how old. I googled and found very little on 12" PM TS but many
> happy PM owners. I'm going to look at it later this week and would like any
> tips on inspecting it, pitfalls to look out for ,ect. I will bring a dial
> indicator and ck runout, and I believe it's under power right now.
Unless it's been sadly abused which I would doubt, just take $$ and big
helper--the PM66 weighs a bunch and the 12" is probably 200lb more,
maybe even more w/ the 5hp motor.
Andrew V wrote:
>
> "B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Andrew V wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm looking to upgrade my TS from a Delta/Rockwell 9" and I found a 12"
> >> Powermatic advertised (big leap up).
> >
> > Sounds really nice!
> >
> > Why are they selling it?
> >
> >
> > Barry
>
> They said that instead of making their own custom cabinets their going to
> buy them, so they no longer need as much shop equipment.
As I said before, if it's in your price range, I'd suggest snapping in
up...it'll be far more saw than you'll probably ever need, but there's
no way you'll regret it.
Patriarch wrote:
...
> I'd just be sure to check very closely regarding the power assumptions.
> Otherwise, these are great tools, for the commercial shop, and for the
> hobbyist.
>
> Check the size of the arbor, too, and see if you can negotiate some of
> their old blades and maybe a dado set. I seem to think that at least one
> company's 12" version of their table saw used 1" arbors.
Those are good points...it's somewhat unusual for Powermatic to use 5 hp
single phase, but I think it can be ordered that way. It will certainly
be a 1" arbor.
One would hope that if they're selling it, they'd be willing to sell at
least a few of the blades they used with it.
Patriarch wrote:
...
>
> I doubt that there is any advantage to any hobbyist woodworker I know to
> having a 12"/5 hp saw, vs a 10"/3 hp saw, from the same manufacturer.
..
You didn't watch Tim Allen, did you? :)
To OP....if he's throwing in all the extras w/ the saw and you have the
room, I'd go for it. My experience has been you'll never regret having
too much tool, only too little. The 12" will do everything the 10" will
do but will have capacity the 10" doesn't, obviously....so where's the
harm if you can house it?
I'd die for the Model 180--had a chance way back when to buy one at
$800, but $800 was a <lot> of money at the time...been kicking myself
for not scraping it together ever since. :(
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Andrew V wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm looking to upgrade my TS from a Delta/Rockwell 9" and I found a 12"
>> Powermatic advertised (big leap up).
>
> Sounds really nice!
>
> Why are they selling it?
>
>
> Barry
They said that instead of making their own custom cabinets their going to
buy them, so they no longer need as much shop equipment.
Andrew
"Andrew V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking to upgrade my TS from a Delta/Rockwell 9" and I found a 12"
> Powermatic advertised (big leap up). The details 5hp single ph 240v, Bisy
> fence, cast iron extensions ,0 Clearance insert, dado blade& insert,
> mobile base. Used in a home builders cabinet shop, say's its in ex
> condition. I don't know how old. I googled and found very little on 12" PM
> TS but many happy PM owners. I'm going to look at it later this week and
> would like any tips on inspecting it, pitfalls to look out for ,ect. I
> will bring a dial indicator and ck runout, and I believe it's under power
> right now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew V
>
>
I took a look this morning it's a model 68 # 468076 I verified a 5 hp
single ph and a 5/8's arbor. This saw rocks. It has a full length/width
iron extention wing (the top of this saw must be an acre of cast iron),
mobil base, custom out feed table. Insides reasonably clean and lubed, cuts
nice ect. very smooth. He also has a planer(mod 180),Jointer 8" (model 60),
morticer(mod 400) Tennioner(2A) all in good shape all single phase.What's a
good price any sugestion's? (asking $2k for the saw and $1500 for the
jointer) Looking around I get the feel the saw is @ a reasonable starting
point but I think the jointer is way high.
Anybody buy/ sell recently? if it matters its in upstate NY(albany)
Thanks
Andrew
"Andrew V" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking to upgrade my TS from a Delta/Rockwell 9" and I found a
> 12" Powermatic advertised (big leap up). The details 5hp single ph
> 240v, Bisy fence, cast iron extensions ,0 Clearance insert, dado
> blade& insert, mobile base. Used in a home builders cabinet shop,
> say's its in ex condition. I don't know how old. I googled and found
> very little on 12" PM TS but many happy PM owners. I'm going to look
> at it later this week and would like any tips on inspecting it,
> pitfalls to look out for ,ect. I will bring a dial indicator and ck
> runout, and I believe it's under power right now.
>
I'd just be sure to check very closely regarding the power assumptions.
Otherwise, these are great tools, for the commercial shop, and for the
hobbyist.
Check the size of the arbor, too, and see if you can negotiate some of
their old blades and maybe a dado set. I seem to think that at least one
company's 12" version of their table saw used 1" arbors.
Our Adult Ed shop declined a Delta Crescent 12/14, and that was one of the
reasons stated.
Patriarch
Brian Elfert <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "Andrew V" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>>morticer(mod 400) Tennioner(2A) all in good shape all single
>>phase.What's a good price any sugestion's? (asking $2k for the saw
>>and $1500 for the jointer) Looking around I get the feel the saw is @
>>a reasonable starting point but I think the jointer is way high.
>
> The jointer is quite high. A brand new PM60A can be bought for around
> that price. PM has the new PM60B I assume made in Taiwan/China for
> just $1150. The PM60A and B look the same in pictures.
>
> Do you really need a 12" saw? A brand new PM66 with 3HP motor can be
> bought for the same $2000. A 5HP version is $2300.
>
> I'm not saying a brand new tool is better than old iron. Old iron can
> be better if it was well taken care of and not run into the ground.
>
> Brian Elfert
>
The numbers seem big to me, too. I just bought a completely refurbed
Delta/Milwaukee 8" jointer, w/60" or so of length, and paid a little
under $800. In California. Reground everything to under .001. New
blades, etc. From one of the fellows who hangs out electronically with
Unisaw A100, (owwm.com) and is in my analog woodworking club. While I
loved the price and the tool, this was an 'open market price' type of
deal.
I doubt that there is any advantage to any hobbyist woodworker I know to
having a 12"/5 hp saw, vs a 10"/3 hp saw, from the same manufacturer.
At $1500 for the saw, the price may be still a little rich. My opinion
only.
Patriarch
The 1" arbor size is true for almost ALL 12" saws. That's
not a problem, since Freud and most of the other blade
folks make and carry 1" arbors as "standard". Most, if not
ALL 12" CMS are 1" arbor.
I would NOT pass by a decent PM-72.... That's a killer saw.
5HP single phase are rare but certainly can be found.
Patriarch wrote:
> "Andrew V" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'm looking to upgrade my TS from a Delta/Rockwell 9" and I found a
>>12" Powermatic advertised (big leap up). The details 5hp single ph
>>240v, Bisy fence, cast iron extensions ,0 Clearance insert, dado
>>blade& insert, mobile base. Used in a home builders cabinet shop,
>>say's its in ex condition. I don't know how old. I googled and found
>>very little on 12" PM TS but many happy PM owners. I'm going to look
>>at it later this week and would like any tips on inspecting it,
>>pitfalls to look out for ,ect. I will bring a dial indicator and ck
>>runout, and I believe it's under power right now.
>>
>
>
> I'd just be sure to check very closely regarding the power assumptions.
> Otherwise, these are great tools, for the commercial shop, and for the
> hobbyist.
>
> Check the size of the arbor, too, and see if you can negotiate some of
> their old blades and maybe a dado set. I seem to think that at least one
> company's 12" version of their table saw used 1" arbors.
>
> Our Adult Ed shop declined a Delta Crescent 12/14, and that was one of the
> reasons stated.
>
> Patriarch