Hi All
I've always used these screws for out door furniture with very good results
after 10-15 years. Tried to get some for ala Norm adirondack chairs I'm
building for a nephew. Local yards and the borg say these screws are being
phased out in favor of a coated screw like GripRite. Question is are they as
good or better for non-staining ?
Joe
joey wrote:
> Hi All
> I've always used these screws for out door furniture with very good
results
> after 10-15 years. Tried to get some for ala Norm adirondack chairs
I'm
> building for a nephew. Local yards and the borg say these screws are
being
> phased out in favor of a coated screw like GripRite. Question is are
they as
> good or better for non-staining ?
> Joe
I used the coated screws on a deck for my neighbor (n cent Tx) 2 years
ago-- no staining yet-- got-em at Lowes, don't remember the brand. They
were in reg wolmanized (getting scarce now- the wood, not the screws)
PH
I'll check them out should a thought of them. The wood I use from HD is
labeled kiln dried straight grain doug fir is medium soft so I also liked
the coarser threads on galvinized in the past I haven't been able to find SS
in coarse threads
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "joey" writes:
>
> > I've always used these screws for out door furniture with very good
> results
> > after 10-15 years. Tried to get some for ala Norm adirondack chairs I'm
> > building for a nephew. Local yards and the borg say these screws are
being
> > phased out in favor of a coated screw like GripRite. Question is are
they
> as
> > good or better for non-staining ?
>
> IMHO, I doubt it, but what the heck, I'm a boat builder..
>
> Why not go stainless?
>
> They aren't that expensive.
>
> Might want to take a look at Jamestown Distributors.
>
> HTH
>
> Lew
>
>
>
joey responds:
>
>I'll check them out should a thought of them. The wood I use from HD is
>labeled kiln dried straight grain doug fir is medium soft so I also liked
>the coarser threads on galvinized in the past I haven't been able to find SS
>in coarse threads
Check www.mcfeely.com. Deck screws. Remarkable.
Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,
2000
"joey" writes:
> I've always used these screws for out door furniture with very good
results
> after 10-15 years. Tried to get some for ala Norm adirondack chairs I'm
> building for a nephew. Local yards and the borg say these screws are being
> phased out in favor of a coated screw like GripRite. Question is are they
as
> good or better for non-staining ?
IMHO, I doubt it, but what the heck, I'm a boat builder..
Why not go stainless?
They aren't that expensive.
Might want to take a look at Jamestown Distributors.
HTH
Lew
gfretwell responds:
>
>I think the real problem is the new PT lumber. It eats galvanized screws
I think someof the problem is mislabeling of galvanized screws. About 16 years
ago,I built a redwood deck on this house, using double dipped galvanized. For
the past year, I've been replacing deck boards that rotted around the rusted
screws. I'm using stainless from McFeely's this time.
Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,
2000
Yep thats what my bother told me. The acid in older PT eats galvinized
screws apprently newer PT is a safer "gnawable" formula
"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I think the real problem is the new PT lumber. It eats galvanized screws
Greg
The NEW copper based PT lumber is WORSE for eating/corroding
galvanized hardware than the old PT lumber. Most folks are either
going with super heavy galvanized stuff for the new PT lumber, OR (in
my opinion the better choice) going to SS hardware/fasteners (and that
included things like joist hangers, j-bolts in the foundation/etc
John
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:09:04 -0800, "joey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Yep thats what my bother told me. The acid in older PT eats galvinized
>screws apprently newer PT is a safer "gnawable" formula
>
>"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I think the real problem is the new PT lumber. It eats galvanized screws
>
"joey" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> I'll check them out should a thought of them. The wood I use from HD
> is labeled kiln dried straight grain doug fir is medium soft so I also
> liked the coarser threads on galvinized in the past I haven't been
> able to find SS in coarse threads
My local full service lumber yard has them in boxes as well as by the
pound. Square drive, too.
My _only_ problem with McFeeley's is that I have to plan more than 20
minutes ahead.
Patriarch
As far as non-staining, it really depends on what type of wood you are
screwing together. For example, galvanized can stain cedar and redwood
easily, but not so for SYP.
Square drive stainless steel are my favorite, will not stain anything i know
of, and are worth the extra few cents per screw. --dave
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "joey" writes:
>
>> I've always used these screws for out door furniture with very good
> results
>> after 10-15 years. Tried to get some for ala Norm adirondack chairs I'm
>> building for a nephew. Local yards and the borg say these screws are
>> being
>> phased out in favor of a coated screw like GripRite. Question is are they
> as
>> good or better for non-staining ?
>
> IMHO, I doubt it, but what the heck, I'm a boat builder..
>
> Why not go stainless?
>
> They aren't that expensive.
>
> Might want to take a look at Jamestown Distributors.
>
> HTH
>
> Lew
>
>
>
"joey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi All
> I've always used these screws for out door furniture with very good
> results
> after 10-15 years. Tried to get some for ala Norm adirondack chairs I'm
> building for a nephew. Local yards and the borg say these screws are being
> phased out in favor of a coated screw like GripRite. Question is are they
> as
> good or better for non-staining ?
> Joe
I've used them on decking and they seem OK. On furniture, I've been using
stainless steel. You can get some nice square drive SS screws from both Lee
Valley and McFeelys.
I agree, for most outdoor furniture, I have gone to 100% SS fasteners.
Cost for something like an Adirondack charge going stainless kicks the
price up probably less than a couple dollars, and eliminates virutally
ALL possibility of staining.
John
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 03:13:10 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
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>"joey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Hi All
>> I've always used these screws for out door furniture with very good
>> results
>> after 10-15 years. Tried to get some for ala Norm adirondack chairs I'm
>> building for a nephew. Local yards and the borg say these screws are being
>> phased out in favor of a coated screw like GripRite. Question is are they
>> as
>> good or better for non-staining ?
>> Joe
>
>I've used them on decking and they seem OK. On furniture, I've been using
>stainless steel. You can get some nice square drive SS screws from both Lee
>Valley and McFeelys.
>
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:18:53 -0800, "joey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi All
>I've always used these screws for out door furniture with very good results
>after 10-15 years. Tried to get some for ala Norm adirondack chairs I'm
>building for a nephew. Local yards and the borg say these screws are being
>phased out in favor of a coated screw like GripRite. Question is are they as
>good or better for non-staining ?
>Joe
>
On one show, Norm mentioned that galvanized screws eventually stained
wood (whether it be white oak, teak, cypress, redwood, cedar or PT).
I used galvanized screws on a large outdoor plant stand, but I don't
expect the stand to last much more than 10-15 years. On better
outdoor furniture use stainless steel screws--a little expensive but
no staining at all.