In article <[email protected]>, Locutus
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I want to make medieval era reproduction furniture. Furniture from this time
> period is rather simplistic.
>
> This will be my first project:
> http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/Bed.JPG
And you're asking what your FIRST tool should be?
Your first tool should be your library card. Do a whole lot of research
on what's *really* involved in building furniture.
--
Talking about art is like dancing about architecture - Frank Zappa
Hey Locutus,
I think the table saw is a must have piece of equipment.
Depending on which model you get, you could replace or adapt one of the
side tables to mount a router and you'd have both of your choices.
You could even use the TS fence for the router in many applications.
If you can have only one item go with the table saw.
Marc (who is happy that he could log onto rec.WW without any
difficulty today.)
Ts here too, but be sure to know how to use it safely. I was lucky enough
to have a few courses. It can kill you, i mean its a mean m/c. But it
cuts things to size. A sled is used for crosscutting. Easily made and
essential, non standard eqpmt.
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>One more opinion - definitely get a table saw. Of all of the tools in
my shop, it sees the most use and is the most versatile (sp?). Just
don't skimp on the price - get the best saw you can afford - you won't
regret it.
I'll toss in my opinion by agreeing with the "don't skimp"... As far
as which to purchase, that depends - if you can't afford a good-quality
table saw right now, there is a lot you can do with a handheld circular
saw (or small bandsaw) and a router table. That's where I am right
now. If you only have a couple hundred dollars, for instance, it
seems like it would make sense to save money until you can get a nice,
solid, accurate TS rather than one that you'll want to replace soon.
That couple hundred dollars could go towards a very nice router and
stuff to build your own router table, or a cheap TS. Of course, if
money is no object, get both.
Andy
Well, you can make a router table for almost nothing, so all that
leaves is buying a router if you don't already own one. That is
dramatically less expensive than a table saw.
I work just fine without a table saw. I use a bandsaw instead. At
first I did that because that is all I had room for. Now I'm sure I'd
get a table saw, even if I had room. It is safer, quieter, and very
versatile. One caveat: Bandsaw is not good for handling a lot of
plywood.
Mark
"Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
>> purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
>> can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
>> straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>>
>> Comments/advice appreciated.
>>
>>
>
> Opinion only of course, but ... personally, I don't think a router will be
> much good without a table saw. But, it depends on what you want to do,
> which you gave no hint of; there ARE instances where you possibly wouldn't
> need a Table Saw for much of anything but they are few and far between.
>
> And no, a Table Saw can't come close to doing what a router can do, and
> vice versa in most cases. I've never known anyone who used a router but
> didn't also have to use a table saw.
>
> What kind of projects do you see yourself doing? That will answer your
> question; more details needed, but I suspect you want a table saw first.
>
> HTH,
>
> Pop
>
I want to make medieval era reproduction furniture. Furniture from this time
period is rather simplistic.
This will be my first project:
http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/Bed.JPG
Thanks.
"Jim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
>> purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
>> can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
>> straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>>
>> Comments/advice appreciated.
>>
> Actually, you will find times to use both. But, you should start with a
> table saw.
> Jim
Thanks guys.
"Dave Balderstone" <dave***@balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:020320061925209831%dave***@balderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Locutus
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I want to make medieval era reproduction furniture. Furniture from this
>> time
>> period is rather simplistic.
>>
>> This will be my first project:
>> http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/Bed.JPG
>
> And you're asking what your FIRST tool should be?
>
> Your first tool should be your library card. Do a whole lot of research
> on what's *really* involved in building furniture.
>
Sorry I wasn't clear, I actually own quite a few tools... just not the kind
that would be used for making furniture. My weekend job is rehabing houses
so I have quite a bit of experience with rough and finish woodworking (from
framing to moldings). I already own several compound mitre saws, jig saws,
circular saws, multiple drills and rotary tools, etc...
"No" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> <snip>
>>>> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
>>>> purchase?
> <snip>
>>
>> I want to make medieval era reproduction furniture. Furniture from this
>> time period is rather simplistic.
>>
>> This will be my first project:
>> http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/Bed.JPG
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> Thats a pretty ambitions project for your first. If you buy all your
> materials pre-planed and jointed; buy stock, pre-made, mouldings and can
> find premade turned posts then I suspect your best first tool will be a
> compound mitre saw. Then Table saw, router w/table, jointer, planer,
> shaper and hundres of other cool things. bwo ha ha ha.
I do plan on purchasing the wood preplaned and using pre-made moldings. For
the posts I was considering using porch posts... I already own a compound
mitre saw and many other tools. I meant to ask "which would you buy first
out of those two tools", I did not mean to imply that it would be my first
tool.
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:34:56 -0500, "Locutus" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Jim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
>>> purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
>>> can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
>>> straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>>>
>>> Comments/advice appreciated.
>>>
>> Actually, you will find times to use both. But, you should start with a
>> table saw.
>> Jim
>
>Thanks guys.
>
One more opinion - definitely get a table saw. Of all of the tools in
my shop, it sees the most use and is the most versatile (sp?). Just
don't skimp on the price - get the best saw you can afford - you won't
regret it.
Bill
<snip>
>>> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
>>> purchase?
<snip>
>
> I want to make medieval era reproduction furniture. Furniture from this
> time period is rather simplistic.
>
> This will be my first project:
> http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/Bed.JPG
>
> Thanks.
>
Thats a pretty ambitions project for your first. If you buy all your
materials pre-planed and jointed; buy stock, pre-made, mouldings and can
find premade turned posts then I suspect your best first tool will be a
compound mitre saw. Then Table saw, router w/table, jointer, planer, shaper
and hundres of other cool things. bwo ha ha ha.
Why not use medieval tools to increase authenticity . . .
"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:QA0Nf.2991$AZ1.2291@trndny07...
> > "Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
> >> purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things
that
> >> can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
> >> straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
> >>
> >> Comments/advice appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Opinion only of course, but ... personally, I don't think a router will
be
> > much good without a table saw. But, it depends on what you want to do,
> > which you gave no hint of; there ARE instances where you possibly
wouldn't
> > need a Table Saw for much of anything but they are few and far between.
> >
> > And no, a Table Saw can't come close to doing what a router can do, and
> > vice versa in most cases. I've never known anyone who used a router but
> > didn't also have to use a table saw.
> >
> > What kind of projects do you see yourself doing? That will answer your
> > question; more details needed, but I suspect you want a table saw first.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Pop
> >
>
> I want to make medieval era reproduction furniture. Furniture from this
time
> period is rather simplistic.
>
> This will be my first project:
> http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/Bed.JPG
>
> Thanks.
>
>
"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
> purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
> can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
> straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
Many things that can be done on the TS CAN indeed be done on a router table.
Walking instead of driving to you favorite vacation destination CAN indeed
be done also.
You need the saw then build around it.
"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
> purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
> can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
> straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>
> Comments/advice appreciated.
>
Actually, you will find times to use both. But, you should start with a
table saw.
Jim
Locutus wrote:
> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
> purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
> can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
> straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>
> Comments/advice appreciated.
>
>
Table saw. I bought mine before I knew really much at all. Now when I
buy other tools, I try to justify using them instead of the
tablesaw...Table saw is a real workhorse.
--
Thank you,
"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16
Since no one mentioned it, let me suggest a bandsaw as an alternative to
the table saw or the router table. Probably safer than a table saw,
and it can make tenons and dovetails and cut curves easier than a table
saw. There is actually a lot of overlap in bandsaw/table saw functions.
Truth is an awful lot of woodworking joints can be cut on a tablesaw by
itself. I think the bandsaw may run a close second.
You might collect some plans for the kind of things you'd like to build
and try to imagine how the various parts would be shaped and cut. You
may even decide that hand tools will produce the desired effects.
Good luck.
Chuck
Leon wrote:
> "Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
>>purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
>>can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
>>straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>
>
>
> Many things that can be done on the TS CAN indeed be done on a router table.
> Walking instead of driving to you favorite vacation destination CAN indeed
> be done also.
>
> You need the saw then build around it.
>
>
"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as
> your first purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems
> many of the things that can be done with a table saw can also
> be done with a router table and a straight bit? and it appears
> to be safer.
>
> Comments/advice appreciated.
>
>
Opinion only of course, but ... personally, I don't think a
router will be much good without a table saw. But, it depends on
what you want to do, which you gave no hint of; there ARE
instances where you possibly wouldn't need a Table Saw for much
of anything but they are few and far between.
And no, a Table Saw can't come close to doing what a router can
do, and vice versa in most cases. I've never known anyone who
used a router but didn't also have to use a table saw.
What kind of projects do you see yourself doing? That will
answer your question; more details needed, but I suspect you want
a table saw first.
HTH,
Pop
Not only do I stand by my previous statement but you also seem to have an
opinion about everything. But listen, don't hold back get it all out
you'll feel better. You are one funny guy.
Tom
"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Why not use medieval tools to increase authenticity . . .
>
> "Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:QA0Nf.2991$AZ1.2291@trndny07...
>> > "Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> >> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
>> >> purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things
> that
>> >> can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and
>> >> a
>> >> straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>> >>
>> >> Comments/advice appreciated.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Opinion only of course, but ... personally, I don't think a router will
> be
>> > much good without a table saw. But, it depends on what you want to do,
>> > which you gave no hint of; there ARE instances where you possibly
> wouldn't
>> > need a Table Saw for much of anything but they are few and far between.
>> >
>> > And no, a Table Saw can't come close to doing what a router can do, and
>> > vice versa in most cases. I've never known anyone who used a router
>> > but
>> > didn't also have to use a table saw.
>> >
>> > What kind of projects do you see yourself doing? That will answer your
>> > question; more details needed, but I suspect you want a table saw
>> > first.
>> >
>> > HTH,
>> >
>> > Pop
>> >
>>
>> I want to make medieval era reproduction furniture. Furniture from this
> time
>> period is rather simplistic.
>>
>> This will be my first project:
>> http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/Bed.JPG
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>
>
Locutus wrote:
> "Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:QA0Nf.2991$AZ1.2291@trndny07...
>> "Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your
>>> first purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the
>>> things that can be done with a table saw can also be done with a
>>> router table and a straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>>>
>>> Comments/advice appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Opinion only of course, but ... personally, I don't think a router
>> will be much good without a table saw. But, it depends on what you
>> want to do, which you gave no hint of; there ARE instances where you
>> possibly wouldn't need a Table Saw for much of anything but they are
>> few and far between.
>>
>> And no, a Table Saw can't come close to doing what a router can do,
>> and vice versa in most cases. I've never known anyone who used a
>> router but didn't also have to use a table saw.
>>
>> What kind of projects do you see yourself doing? That will answer
>> your question; more details needed, but I suspect you want a table
>> saw first.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Pop
>>
>
> I want to make medieval era reproduction furniture. Furniture from
> this time period is rather simplistic.
Saw. You'll need to cut boards to width and length, router isn't for
that.
--
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"Don Dando" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I don't think I'd agree that a router can do what a table saw does. Oh I
> guess in an odd sort of way, given enough time it might be similar. For
> instance, I don't think I'd want to rip a 2X6 into 2X2's using a router,
> too
> much loss of wood, it might take a lot of time to do and probably won't be
> as accurately cut. And while making something that needs to have a
> quantity
> of pieces crosscut to the same length, I don't think the router is the
> tool
> for this task either.
>
> I think I'd go for the best table saw you can afford first then a router
> later. There may be two schools of thought on buy the best you can
> afford.
> (1) If you save up for a Powermatic 66 for example it might be a long time
> before you cut any wood. or (2) Buy the best and only cry once. A high
> accuracy table saw will make your projects turn out better.
>
> It hurts for me to say this... But if a Craftsman is in your reach, at
> least it will get you started. (That should get a fire going on this news
> group! It's vogue to kick Craftsman you know, but they earned it!)
>
> Don Dando
>
>
>
> Don Dando
> "Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
>> purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
>> can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
>> straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>>
>> Comments/advice appreciated.
>>
>>
>
>
I don't think I'd agree that a router can do what a table saw does. Oh I
guess in an odd sort of way, given enough time it might be similar. For
instance, I don't think I'd want to rip a 2X6 into 2X2's using a router, too
much loss of wood, it might take a lot of time to do and probably won't be
as accurately cut. And while making something that needs to have a quantity
of pieces crosscut to the same length, I don't think the router is the tool
for this task either.
I think I'd go for the best table saw you can afford first then a router
later. There may be two schools of thought on buy the best you can afford.
(1) If you save up for a Powermatic 66 for example it might be a long time
before you cut any wood. or (2) Buy the best and only cry once. A high
accuracy table saw will make your projects turn out better.
It hurts for me to say this... But if a Craftsman is in your reach, at
least it will get you started. (That should get a fire going on this news
group! It's vogue to kick Craftsman you know, but they earned it!)
Don Dando
Don Dando
"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
> purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
> can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
> straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>
> Comments/advice appreciated.
>
>
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:13:59 -0500, "Locutus" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
>purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
>can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
>straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>
>Comments/advice appreciated.
>
These are very different tools. If you have the money, buy a
(quality) table saw.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
> purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
> can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
> straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>
> Comments/advice appreciated.
Nothing to talk about:
Saw... the best you can afford.
Then mount a router in one of the saw's wings, as already mentioned
elsewhere in this thread by marc rosen.
That's how I got started... in 1976.
In article <[email protected]>,
Scorp <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
> People here spend a
> fortune getting the table, fence, height adjuster, router, etc
[snip]
You are absolutely right, Steve. Well put.
By the time you add a good lift, a good router, a good fence, a good
insert...you can buy a decent small shaper. Plus you get an induction
motor which is much quieter and durable
Now, if you buy a small shaper with a tilting spindle...now you're off
to the races.
Maximum speed is something to consider though... so is a stock feeder.
"Scorp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:13:59 -0500, "Locutus" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
>>purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
>>can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
>>straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
>
> Table saw first. Always better than you can afford :)
>
> And for some reason I'm alone in the thinking that a router table is a
> silly item. Why not get a shaper (with router bit collets) that is
> actually designed for doing that exact job? People here spend a
> fortune getting the table, fence, height adjuster, router, etc....when
> equal or even less money will get you a decent little shaper that
> takes router bits, has easy height adjustment, and you can get real
> shaper cutters for the most used profiles.
>
> Ever try to adjust the height of a router that's hanging upside down?
> Ever looked at where the chips are going in an upside down router?
> Ever had to chuck a router bit dangerously close to the end to get
> enough height?
>
> If you need a router for freehand work fine, get one, but ever tried
> changing base plates and installing a router into a router table
> upside down while trying to screw it from the top?
>
> Obviously all routers and situations are different, but I never see
> anybody here advocate shapers for some reason?
>
> My 2 cents.
I have a shaper and agree that it is a great tool for spinning shaper
cutters but don't think that it is even a good tool for spinning router
bits. The maximum speed of most shapers is way too slow for most router
bits. I have a no frills router table for router bits and use the shaper
for the bigger jobs.
"Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I've never known anyone who
> used a router but didn't also have to use a table saw.
I am sure you were caught off guard here but many people have a router and
use a Radial Arm Saw in place of a table saw. I started that way.
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:13:59 -0500, "Locutus" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>for a woodworking newbie, which tool would you recommend as your first
>purchase? From what I have been reading, it seems many of the things that
>can be done with a table saw can also be done with a router table and a
>straight bit? and it appears to be safer.
Table saw first. Always better than you can afford :)
And for some reason I'm alone in the thinking that a router table is a
silly item. Why not get a shaper (with router bit collets) that is
actually designed for doing that exact job? People here spend a
fortune getting the table, fence, height adjuster, router, etc....when
equal or even less money will get you a decent little shaper that
takes router bits, has easy height adjustment, and you can get real
shaper cutters for the most used profiles.
Ever try to adjust the height of a router that's hanging upside down?
Ever looked at where the chips are going in an upside down router?
Ever had to chuck a router bit dangerously close to the end to get
enough height?
If you need a router for freehand work fine, get one, but ever tried
changing base plates and installing a router into a router table
upside down while trying to screw it from the top?
Obviously all routers and situations are different, but I never see
anybody here advocate shapers for some reason?
My 2 cents.
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