On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:25:05 GMT, Bob McConnell
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Paper article here said about 776,000 sheets were purchased by the DOD
>for shipment to the Middle East.
I heard they went though a Home Depot self-service line with all
776,000 sheets. None had a bar code. <G>
Barry
"Michael Daly" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 8-Sep-2003, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why the US devotes so much to low-value trade and then complains about
> high -value Canadian imports is beyond me.
>
> Mike
this is happening because two or three southern senators are pandering
to lumber interests in their areas, and the Bush Administration
doesn't give a shit about the damage being done to relations with
Canada.
Canada is increasingly fed up with american violations of
international trade law, and will hopefully soon link free trade in
wood and other products with free trade in energy, i.e., "You want our
oil/gas/electricity? Quit fucking us over on lumber then. Otherwise
we'll shut down the pipes....".
On 7 Sep 2003 12:57:20 -0700, [email protected] (Teej) wrote:
> I really thought Bush said oil would pay for the rebuilding .
Did anybody say we were GIVING the materials away?
Even if it's paid for, an order for 3/4 of a million sheets of ply, at
a time when factories were slightly rolling back production does funny
things to the price.
Barry
On 07 Sep 2003 23:24:01 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>Barry Burke asks:
>
>>> I really thought Bush said oil would pay for the rebuilding .
>>
>>
>>Did anybody say we were GIVING the materials away?
>
>No. But when did Iraq's economy stabilize so that payment is assured?
Couldn't the same be said for almost any country we send aid to?
Barry
Barry Burke responds:
>>
>>>> I really thought Bush said oil would pay for the rebuilding .
>>>
>>>
>>>Did anybody say we were GIVING the materials away?
>>
>>No. But when did Iraq's economy stabilize so that payment is assured?
>
>
>Couldn't the same be said for almost any country we send aid to?
>
No. Not too many countries whine about U.S. troops being there, while shooting
at said troops and bitching about the violence and disarray in the country.
My guess is that that we're not about to spend 87 billion bucks per African
nation. My other guess is that Bush is going to manage to bankrupt the U.S.
Charlie Self
"Men willingly believe what they wish."
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In article <[email protected]>, "Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Is there no way that you can keep yourself from using this newsgroup as a
>place to vent on politics? At least mark it with OT
What difference does it make if it IS marked OT? You still piss and moan
anyway. Is there no way that you can keep yourself from posting this crap
every time you read an off-topic message?
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Charlie Self wrote:
> My guess is that that we're not about to spend 87 billion bucks per
> African nation. My other guess is that Bush is going to manage to bankrupt
> the U.S.
*Going* to? Methinks he already has.
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"SteveC1280" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The price of plywood has doubled in the last two weeks. Apparently, Uncle
Sam
> has bought up everything Georgia Pacific can make. I guess the USA is
going to
> rebuild Iraq out of plywood. Has the price gone up in your area also?
> >
The newspaper just had an article about it. Seems like they anticipated a
turndown in the economy and cut back production a bit too much. Now they
have to raise prices. It stated the government did buy a lot, but not enough
to make a huge difference overall.
Near as I could tell from the article, it was a good time to raise prices.
Anything else is pretty much smoke screen.
Ed
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Ed Pawlowski responds:
>> The price of plywood has doubled in the last two weeks. Apparently, Uncle
>Sam
>> has bought up everything Georgia Pacific can make. I guess the USA is
>going to
>> rebuild Iraq out of plywood. Has the price gone up in your area also?
>> >
>
>The newspaper just had an article about it. Seems like they anticipated a
>turndown in the economy and cut back production a bit too much. Now they
>have to raise prices. It stated the government did buy a lot, but not enough
>to make a huge difference overall.
>
Love it! The gov uses our bucks to buy plywood for Iraq, then the lumber
companies raise the price because there's a shortage in the States. So we get
it in the shorts twice on the same deal. Now THAT'S politics!
Charlie Self
"Men willingly believe what they wish."
Julius Caesar, De Bello Gallico
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> "Willingly believe" seems to fit here.
>
> How about creating more "roadless wilderness" with your dollars instead of
> harvesting the trees to make plywood?
>
> Or paying unemployment benefits to strikers whose demands, if met, will
> raise the price as well?
You normally use bad examples to make a point. . .Both of your examples
above are light years ahead of anything the current regime is doing with
tax dollars.
Kim
Here is a link to the article in the Hartford Courant.
http://www.ctnow.com/business/hc-plywood0904.artsep04.story
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On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 13:36:43 GMT, "George" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Willingly believe" seems to fit here.
>
>How about creating more "roadless wilderness" with your dollars instead of
>harvesting the trees to make plywood?
>
When I see the ads that say, "How can we let them destroy our National
Forests w/ roads and timber-cutting?", I always remember that "National
Forests" are managed by an agency w/in the Department of Agriculture, not
Interior. Beyond forests, we have "wild and scenic areas" and "wilderness
areas" where cutting is prohibited. Maybe the name should be changed from
National Forests to "National Tree Farms" and people would understand.
"Alan W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I do work for a Class 8 truck dealership which has extensive logging
> based customers. Therefore I keep track of mills, lumber demand, and
> shipments out of the area.
>
I sometimes use Rt 91 through Vermont to Canada. I see trucks heading north
with logs and with dimensional lumber. I see truck running south with logs
and others with dimensional lumber.
I've always wondered why they just did not all get together and save on
trucking.
Ed
On 7 Sep 2003 12:57:20 -0700, [email protected] (Teej) wrote:
[snip]
> But on the bright side its better for our economy to ship US wood
>than from other countries. Creates jobs,healthy businesses.
> I really thought Bush said oil would pay for the rebuilding .
Or, did he say "grease"?
> The price of plywood has doubled in the last two weeks. Apparently, Uncle Sam
> has bought up everything Georgia Pacific can make. I guess the USA is going to
> rebuild Iraq out of plywood. Has the price gone up in your area also?
> >
Over the last 4 months I have seen no move in 5'x5' 1/2 9 ply Birch
plywood at $22.95 per sheet. Have not purchased any typical Pine
plywood in quite some time.
I do work for a Class 8 truck dealership which has extensive logging
based customers. Therefore I keep track of mills, lumber demand, and
shipments out of the area.
For the last 10 years a large number of regular dimensional lumber saw
mills have been closing down. There is approx. 1/4 of what there used
to be in Mt, Id, Or, and Wa. However, only one OSB + Plywood plant
has closed to my knowledge in that same time. Others, Boise Cascade
mainly in my area, have definetly decreased production in the last 3
years. There has been a shift for the truckers to more chip hauling
than logs, which would suggest an increase in paper production as well
as OSB for housing.
If I recall correctly, the news has been reporting strong housing
starts, a good rate of employment amongst construction workers, and
untill recent volatility in the underlying funding markets, lifetime
lows for house mortgages. One would also have to assume this has
tightened supply.
What I have not seen a large increase in of the last year, is finished
dimensional lumber being trucked from our area. And I have not seen
as many trains loaded with mainly lumber east bound. In our area, a
substantial portion of our lumber comes from Canadian mills as there
is a running trade dispute about "subsidies" the Canadian Government
_might_ provide in the area of the actual timber land costs. (e.g.
permits, fees, stumpage costs, environmental reclaimation, court
fights over logging)
Alan
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:24:51 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"SteveC1280" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> The price of plywood has doubled in the last two weeks. Apparently, Uncle
>Sam
>> has bought up everything Georgia Pacific can make. I guess the USA is
>going to
>> rebuild Iraq out of plywood. Has the price gone up in your area also?
>> >
>
>The newspaper just had an article about it. Seems like they anticipated a
>turndown in the economy and cut back production a bit too much. Now they
>have to raise prices. It stated the government did buy a lot, but not enough
>to make a huge difference overall.
>
>Near as I could tell from the article, it was a good time to raise prices.
>Anything else is pretty much smoke screen.
>Ed
>[email protected]
>http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
>
Paper article here said about 776,000 sheets were purchased by the DOD
for shipment to the Middle East. That's going to have an impact no
matter when they do it.
I bought three sheets of 3/4" PTL this week for $31.00 each. That
seems high to me. But they did have it in stock.
Bob McConnell
N2SPP