I'm working on a project in Vancouver BC in which the client wants an
exterior deck in which they want 3/4"x2- 3/4" solid teak strips epoxy to 2
laminated 3/4" shts of Marine plywood. They want the joints between the
strips to be bonded with Sikyflex caulking with no seems as on a boat
deck.But to look more like a hardwood floor.
I was wondering if you could use regular biscuits joiners exteriorly,or
would they swell to much more than the teak & create problems as this is a
very wet climate,also what is the best epoxy?I thought the biscuits would
help keep the planks even as I can't use screws to keep them down to
set.The strips are 16' long.the deck is 16x13 Thanks
Doesn't sound like a troll to me. I set this to watch because I thought it
would be an interesting project.
I'll bite.
Why not mill the edges with tongue and groove? Many a porch floor were done
this way back in the days before decks. Mahogany was often used or QS fir.
You can install with flooring nailer for a concealed attachment or hand nail
in tongue edge and counter sink to be concealed by next board. Now, many
boats use a combination of Teak and Holly for contrast. That would be cool
too.
As for epoxy, I would possibly as over on rec.boats.building. I lurk over
there sometimes as I am planning building a boat myself. Possibly consider
the epoxy for a final finish as well. (Will be slick though). West Systems I
think is popular. http://www.westsystem.com/
"Bewert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I'm working on a project in Vancouver BC in which the client wants an
> exterior deck in which they want 3/4"x2- 3/4" solid teak strips epoxy to 2
> laminated 3/4" shts of Marine plywood. They want the joints between the
> strips to be bonded with Sikyflex caulking with no seems as on a boat
> deck.But to look more like a hardwood floor.
> I was wondering if you could use regular biscuits joiners exteriorly,or
> would they swell to much more than the teak & create problems as this is a
> very wet climate,also what is the best epoxy?I thought the biscuits would
> help keep the planks even as I can't use screws to keep them down to
> set.The strips are 16' long.the deck is 16x13 Thanks
>
>
Lew - A lot of older homes had porches. They were T&G planks, painted. They
lasted many many years. I have worked on them, built them and own one that
is now an interior space in a cottage. In my cottage the original porch was
built in 1887 or so. It was enclosed in 1960 or so. It is still going
strong.
The original 1880s construction of the porch was 5'x20'. There were three
2x6x20' joists running parallel to the cottage. The front one was supported
at the ends and the middle, the rear one at the ends and middle. The middle
of the three joists was only supported at the ends! These joists were a true
2x material and made of chestnut. There was some bounce but not too much.
The fir t&G planks spanned 30"!!! OK, so when I acquired the cottage a
beefed up the foundation but the old original floor is still on the 30"
centers.
I did have to add one new board. It was the transition piece between the
original porch floor and the original interior floor. I was able to go to 84
lumber and get a piece of "mahogany porch floor board" that was almost
identical dimensionally to the original.
So, I guess my point is... A lot of people used to make T&G porches, some
still do, and materials are available. BTW - This is PA. Lots of temp
swings.
The OP, if committed to teak, may want to consider and look into traditional
installation techniques for porch floors even when using teak instead of fir
or mahogany.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Brikp" writes:
>
> > Doesn't sound like a troll to me. I set this to watch because I thought
it
> > would be an interesting project.
> >
> > I'll bite.
> >
> > Why not mill the edges with tongue and groove? Many a porch floor were
> done
> > this way back in the days before decks.
>
> This way described as an outdoor deck.
>
> T&G would not handle the yearly temperature changes very well, but then
> again, neither will what is being described which is basically an interior
> boat sole technique.
>
> What is being described is IMHO, a horrible waste of a fine building
> material.
>
> Next thing you know is they will want 6-8 coats of marine varnish applied
> and buffed to a high gloss so you can fall on your rear end and break a
leg
> when ever you take a step on it<G>.
>
>
> Lew
>
>
I agree, there's no way this thing is gonna last in the weather. The
teak will expand on top of the plywood, but isn't given the freedom to
do so (seamless). You'll end up with a pile of semi-epoxied teak and
marine plywood.
Very wasteful.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Brikp" writes:
>
> > Doesn't sound like a troll to me. I set this to watch because I thought it
> > would be an interesting project.
> >
> > I'll bite.
> >
> > Why not mill the edges with tongue and groove? Many a porch floor were
> done
> > this way back in the days before decks.
>
> This way described as an outdoor deck.
>
> T&G would not handle the yearly temperature changes very well, but then
> again, neither will what is being described which is basically an interior
> boat sole technique.
>
> What is being described is IMHO, a horrible waste of a fine building
> material.
>
> Next thing you know is they will want 6-8 coats of marine varnish applied
> and buffed to a high gloss so you can fall on your rear end and break a leg
> when ever you take a step on it<G>.
>
>
> Lew
"Gerrry Newman" writes:
> You must never have worked with the public, not to say it isn't a troll,
> but I've had people ask for weirder stuff than that.
Matter of fact, I do it every day; however, the material alone for this job
will be about $20,000 USD which is why I made the troll comment.
--
Lew
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"Brikp" writes:
> Lew - A lot of older homes had porches. They were T&G planks, painted.
They
> lasted many many years. I have worked on them, built them and own one that
> is now an interior space in a cottage. In my cottage the original porch
was
> built in 1887 or so. It was enclosed in 1960 or so. It is still going
> strong.
>
> The original 1880s construction of the porch was 5'x20'. There were three
> 2x6x20' joists running parallel to the cottage. The front one was
supported
> at the ends and the middle, the rear one at the ends and middle. The
middle
> of the three joists was only supported at the ends! These joists were a
true
> 2x material and made of chestnut. There was some bounce but not too much.
> The fir t&G planks spanned 30"!!! OK, so when I acquired the cottage a
> beefed up the foundation but the old original floor is still on the 30"
> centers.
>
> I did have to add one new board. It was the transition piece between the
> original porch floor and the original interior floor. I was able to go to
84
> lumber and get a piece of "mahogany porch floor board" that was almost
> identical dimensionally to the original.
>
> So, I guess my point is... A lot of people used to make T&G porches, some
> still do, and materials are available. BTW - This is PA. Lots of temp
> swings.
>
> The OP, if committed to teak, may want to consider and look into
traditional
> installation techniques for porch floors even when using teak instead of
fir
> or mahogany.
I remember those porches, many of them open, but covered on a lot of older
homes where I grew up as a kid in Ohio.
You are describing construction that I seriously doubt you could replicate
today.
Old growth lumber, some species which are no longer readily available,
lumber sizes that would have to be special ordered, etc, etc.
Real teak, not the stuff from Home Depot what ever that is, is wonderful
stuff for outdoor applications if it is installed properly.
About the only teak you can buy today is plantation teak.
Old growth stuff is strictly illegal and if you find it, it will be black
market material.
I hate working the stuff because of the way it destroys cutting tools, but
it smells nice when you are working it.
As an example a local job shop required a $3K sir charge to cover the
replacement cost of the sanding belts on their drum sander after they sanded
teak, and that was 10 years ago.
Best installed with a gap, say 1/4" between the boards.
If you ever take a look at a teak deck on a boat, this is the way the teak
planks are laid, then the seams are filled afterwards.
Left natural, it will weather to a silvery gray color, and can best be
cleaned with a soft brush and salt water.
Trying to varnish teak comes right before putting on a hair shirt, IMHO. It
is a continuous maintenance problem you can never win.
The oils in the teak won't allow a finish to properly adhere.
Like all wood, teak doesn't like fresh water, thus it should be allowed to
evaporate as quickly as possible.
Rain water will rot a wooden boat which is why salt is thrown into the
bilge.
HTH
--
Lew
S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
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"njf>badger< badger"> writes:
> Then how much is my garden room floor worth 14' x 7', 4" x 1" grooved
> teak planked?
Good question.
4/4 rough cut plantation teak is anywhere from about $10-$15 per board foot
last time I checked.
You do the math.
Machining the stuff is also a problem because teak is so abrasive.
HTH
--
Lew
S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures
Lew Hodgett:
> "Bewert" writes:
>> I'm working on a project in Vancouver BC in which the client wants
>> an exterior deck in which they want 3/4"x2- 3/4" solid teak strips
>> epoxy to 2 laminated 3/4" shts of Marine plywood.
> <snip>
>
> This has to be a troll?
You must never have worked with the public, not to say it isn't a troll,
but I've had people ask for weirder stuff than that.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "njf>badger< badger"> writes:
>
>
>>Then how much is my garden room floor worth 14' x 7', 4" x 1" grooved
>>teak planked?
>
>
> Good question.
>
> 4/4 rough cut plantation teak is anywhere from about $10-$15 per board foot
> last time I checked.
>
> You do the math.
>
> Machining the stuff is also a problem because teak is so abrasive.
>
> HTH
Got it ready machined from a burn pile, and some to spare! Does this
count as a gloat?
"Brikp" writes:
> Doesn't sound like a troll to me. I set this to watch because I thought it
> would be an interesting project.
>
> I'll bite.
>
> Why not mill the edges with tongue and groove? Many a porch floor were
done
> this way back in the days before decks.
This way described as an outdoor deck.
T&G would not handle the yearly temperature changes very well, but then
again, neither will what is being described which is basically an interior
boat sole technique.
What is being described is IMHO, a horrible waste of a fine building
material.
Next thing you know is they will want 6-8 coats of marine varnish applied
and buffed to a high gloss so you can fall on your rear end and break a leg
when ever you take a step on it<G>.
Lew
"Bewert" writes:
> I'm working on a project in Vancouver BC in which the client wants an
> exterior deck in which they want 3/4"x2- 3/4" solid teak strips epoxy to 2
> laminated 3/4" shts of Marine plywood.
<snip>
This has to be a troll?
--
Lew
S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures