NEWS!
911 inside job ...
Ahmadinejad plays hard-ball with Bush. in his letter he says:
"September eleven was not a simple operation.
Could it be planned and executed without coordination with
intelligence and security services -- or their extensive infiltration?
Of course this is just an educated guess.
Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? "
=========full text (Washington Post) =========
Ahmadinejad's Letter to Bush
unofficial translation from the original written in Farsi:
"Mr. George Bush, president of the United States of America
For some time now, I have been thinking, how one can justify the
undeniable contradictions that exist in the international arena --
which
are being constantly debated, especially in political forums and
amongst
university students. Many questions remain unanswered. Those have
prompted me to discuss some of the contradictions and questions, in the
hopes that it might bring about an opportunity to redress them.
Can one be a follower of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him), the great
Messenger of God,
Feel obliged to respect human rights,
Present liberalism as a civilization model,
Announce one's opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and
WMDs,
Make "War on Terror" his slogan,
And finally,
work towards the establishment of an unified international community --
a community which Christ and the virtuous of the Earth will one day
govern,
But at the same time,
Have countries attacked. The lives, reputations and possessions of
people destroyed and on the slight chance of the presence of a few
criminals in a village, city, or convoy for example, the entire
village,
city or convoy set ablaze.
Or because of the possibility of the existence of WMDs in one country,
it is occupied, around 100,000 people killed, its water sources,
agriculture and industry destroyed, close to 180,000 foreign troops put
on the ground, sanctity of private homes of citizens broken, and the
country pushed back perhaps 50 years. At what price? Hundreds of
billions of dollars spent from the treasury of one country and certain
other countries and tens of thousands of young men and women -- as
occupation troops -- put in harms way, taken away from family and loved
ones, their hands stained with the blood of others, subjected to so
much
psychological pressure that everyday some commit suicide and those
returning home suffer depression, become sickly and grapple with all
sorts of ailments; while some are killed and their bodies handed to
their families.
On the pretext of the existence of WMDs, this great tragedy came to
engulf both the peoples of the occupied and the occupying country.
Later
it was revealed that no WMDs existed to begin with.
Of course, Saddam was a murderous dictator. But the war was not waged
to
topple him, the announced goal of the war was to find and destroy
weapons of mass destruction. He was toppled along the way towards
another goal; nevertheless the people of the region are happy about it.
I point out that throughout the many years of the imposed war on Iran
Saddam was supported by the West.
Mr. President,
You might know that I am a teacher. My students ask me how can these
actions be reconciled with the values outlined at the beginning of this
letter and duty to the tradition of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him),
the Messenger of peace and forgiveness?
There are prisoners in Guantanamo Bay that have not been tried, have no
legal representation, their families cannot see them and are obviously
kept in a strange land outside their own country. There is no
international monitoring of their conditions and fate. No one knows
whether they are prisoners, POWs, accused or criminals.
European investigators have confirmed the existence of secret prisons
in
Europe too. I could not correlate the abduction of a person, and him or
her being kept in secret prisons, with the provisions of any judicial
system. For that matter, I fail to understand how such actions
correspond to the values outlined in the beginning of this letter, i.e.
the teachings of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him), human rights and
liberal values.
Young people, university students, and ordinary people have many
questions about the phenomenon of Israel. I am sure you are familiar
with some of them.
Throughout history, many countries have been occupied, but I think the
establishment of a new country with a new people, is a new phenomenon
that is exclusive to our times.
Students are saying that 60 years ago such a country did not exist.
They
show old documents and globes and say try as we have, we have not been
able to find a country named Israel.
I tell them to study the history of WWI and II. One of my students told
me that during WWII, which more than tens of millions of people
perished
in, news about the war, was quickly disseminated by the warring
parties.
Each touted their victories and the most recent battlefront defeat of
the other party. After the war they claimed that six million Jews had
been killed. Six million people that were surely related to at least
two
million families. Again let us assume that these events are true. Does
that logically translate into the establishment of the state of Israel
in the Middle East or support for such a state? How can this phenomenon
be rationalized or explained?
Mr. President,
I am sure you know how -- and at what cost -- Israel was established:
-- Many thousands were killed in the process.
-- Millions of indigenous people were made refugees.
-- Hundreds of thousands of hectares of farmland, olive plantations,
towns and villages were destroyed.
This tragedy is not exclusive to the time of establishment;
unfortunately it has been ongoing for 60 years now.
A regime has been established which does not show mercy even to kids,
destroys houses while the occupants are still in them, announces
beforehand its list and plans to assassinate Palestinian figures, and
keeps thousands of Palestinians in prison. Such a phenomenon is unique
-- or at the very least extremely rare -- in recent memory.
Another big question asked by the people is "why is this regime being
supported?"
Is support for this regime in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ
(Peace Be Upon Him) or Moses (Peace Be Upon Him) or liberal values?
Or are we to understand that allowing the original inhabitants of these
lands -- inside and outside Palestine -- whether they are Christian,
Muslim or Jew, to determine their fate, runs contrary to principles of
democracy, human rights and the teachings of prophets? If not, why is
there so much opposition to a referendum?
The newly elected Palestinian administration recently took office. All
independent observers have confirmed that this government represents
the
electorate. Unbelievingly, they have put the elected government under
pressure and have advised it to recognize the Israeli regime, abandon
the struggle and follow the programs of the previous government.
If the current Palestinian government had run on the above platform,
would the Palestinian people have voted for it? Again, can such
position
taken in opposition to the Palestinian government be reconciled with
the
values outlined earlier? The people are, also asking "why are all UNSC
resolutions in condemnation of Israel vetoed?"
Mr. President,
As you are well aware, I live amongst the people and am in constant
contact with them -- many people from around the Middle East manage to
contact me as well. They do not have faith in there dubious policies
either. There is evidence that the people of the region are becoming
increasingly angry with such policies.
It is not my intention to pose too many questions, but I need to refer
to other points as well.
Why is it that any technological and scientific achievement reached in
the Middle East region is translated into and portrayed as a threat to
the Zionist regime? Is not scientific R&D one of the basic rights of
nations?
You are familiar with history. Aside from the Middle Ages, in what
other
point in history has scientific and technical progress been a crime?
Can
the possibility of scientific achievements being utilized for military
purposes be reason enough to oppose science and technology altogether?
If such a supposition is true, then all scientific disciplines,
including physics, chemistry, mathematics, medicine, engineering, etc,
must be opposed.
Lies were told in the Iraqi matter. What was the result? I have no
doubt
that telling lies is reprehensible in any culture, and you do not like
to be lied to.
Mr. President,
Don't Latin Americans have the right to ask why their elected
government
are being opposed and coup leaders supported? Or, Why must they
constantly be threatened and live in fear?
The people of Africa are hard-working, creative and talented. They can
play an important and valuable role in providing for the needs of
humanity and contribute to its material and spiritual progress. Poverty
and hardship in large parts of Africa are preventing this from
happening. Don't they have the right to ask why their enormous wealth
--
including minerals -- is being looted, despite the fact that they need
it more than others?
Again, do such actions correspond to the teachings of Christ and the
tenets of human rights?
The brave and faithful people of Iran too have many questions and
grievances, including: the coup d'etat of 1953 and the subsequent
toppling of the legal government of the day, opposition to the Islamic
revolution, transformation of an Embassy into a headquarters supporting
the activities of those opposing the Islamic Republic (many thousands
of
pages of documents corroborate this claim), support for Saddam in the
war waged against Iran, the shooting down of the Iranian passenger
plane, freezing the assets of the Iranian nation, increasing threats,
anger and displeasure vis-a-vis the scientific and nuclear progress of
the Iranian nation (just when all Iranians are jubilant and celebrating
their country's progress), and many other grievances that I will not
refer to in this letter.
Mr. President,
September Eleven was a horrendous incident. The killing of innocents is
deplorable and appalling in any part of the world. Our government
immediately declared its disgust with the perpetrators and offered its
condolences to the bereaved and expressed its sympathies.
All governments have a duty to protect the lives, property and good
standing of their citizens. Reportedly your government employs
extensive
security, protection and intelligence systems -- and even hunts its
opponents abroad. September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it
be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and
security services -- or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is
just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks
been
kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities?
And, why aren't those responsible and the guilty parties identified and
put on trial?
All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for
their citizens. For some years now, the people of your country and
neighbors of world trouble spots do not have peace of mind. After 9.11,
instead of healing and tending to the emotional wounds of the survivors
and the American people -- who had been immensely traumatized by the
attacks -- some Western media only intensified the climate of fear and
insecurity -- some constantly talked about the possibility of new
terror
attacks and kept the people in fear. Is that service to the American
people? Is it possible to calculate the damages incurred from fear and
panic?
American citizens lived in constant fear of fresh attacks that could
come at any moment and in any place. They felt insecure in the street,
in their place of work and at home. Who would be happy with this
situation? Why was the media, instead of conveying a feeling of
security
and providing peace of mind, giving rise to a feeling of insecurity?
Some believe that the hype paved the way -- and was the justification
--
for an attack on Afghanistan. Again I need to refer to the role of
media. In media charters, correct dissemination of information and
honest reporting of a story are established tenets. I express my deep
regret about the disregard shown by certain Western media for these
principles. The main pretext for an attack on Iraq was the existence of
WMDs. This was repeated incessantly -- for the public to finally
believe
-- and the ground set for an attack on Iraq.
Will the truth not be lost in a contrived and deceptive climate? Again,
if the truth is allowed to be lost, how can that be reconciled with the
earlier mentioned values?
Is the truth known to the Almighty lost as well?
Mr. President,
In countries around the world, citizens provide for the expenses of
governments so that their governments in turn are able to serve them.
The question here is "what has the hundreds of billions of dollars,
spent every year to pay for the Iraqi campaign, produced for the
citizens?"
As Your Excellency is aware, in some states of your country, people are
living in poverty. Many thousands are homeless and unemployment is a
huge problem. Of course these problems exist -- to a larger or lesser
extent -- in other countries as well. With these conditions in mind,
can
the gargantuan expenses of the campaign -- paid from the public
treasury
-- be explained and be consistent with the aforementioned principles?
What has been said, are some of the grievances of the people around the
world, in our region and in your country. But my main contention --
which I am hoping you will agree to some of it -- is:
Those in power have a specific time in office and do not rule
indefinitely, but their names will be recorded in history and will be
consistently judged in the immediate and distant futures.
The people will scrutinize our presidencies. Did we manage to bring
peace, security and prosperity for the people or insecurity and
unemployment?
Did we intend to establish justice or just supported special interest
groups, and by forcing many people to live in poverty and hardship made
a few people rich and powerful -- thus trading the approval of the
people and the Almighty with theirs?
Did we defend the rights of the underprivileged or ignore them?
Did we defend the rights of all people around the world or imposed wars
on them, interfered illegally in their affairs, established hellish
prisons and incarcerated some of them?
Did we bring the world peace and security or raised the specter of
intimidation and threats?
Did we tell the truth to our nation and others around the world or
presented an inverted version of it?
Were we on the side of people or the occupiers and oppressors?
Did our administrations set out to promote rational behavior, logic,
ethics, peace, fulfilling obligations, justice, service to the people,
prosperity, progress and respect for human dignity or the force of
guns,
Intimidation, insecurity, disregard for the people, delaying the
progress and excellence of other nations, and trample on people's
rights?
And finally, they will judge us on whether we remained true to our oath
of office -- to serve the people, which is our main task, and the
traditions of the prophets -- or not?
Mr. President,
How much longer can the world tolerate this situation?
Where will this trend lead the world to?
How long must the people of the world pay for the incorrect decisions
of
some rulers?
How much longer will the specter of insecurity -- raised from the
stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction -- hunt the people of the
world?
How much longer will the blood of the innocent men, women and children
be spilled on the streets, and people's houses destroyed over their
heads?
Are you pleased with the current condition of the world?
Do you think present policies can continue?
If billions of dollars spent on security, military campaigns and troop
movement were instead spent on investment and assistance for poor
countries, promotion of health, combating different diseases, education
and improvement of mental and physical fitness, assistance to the
victims of natural disasters, creation of employment opportunities and
production, development projects and poverty alleviation, establishment
of peace, mediation between disputing states, and extinguishing the
flames of racial, ethnic and other conflicts, were would the world be
today? Would not your government and people be justifiably proud?
Would not your administration's political and economic standing have
been stronger?
And I am most sorry to say, would there have been an ever increasing
global hatred of the American government?
Mr. President, it is not my intention to distress anyone.
If Prophet Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael, Joseph, or Jesus Christ
(Peace Be Upon Him) were with us today, how would they have judged such
behavior? Will we be given a role to play in the promised world, where
justice will become universal and Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him) will
be present? Will they even accept us?
My basic question is this: Is there no better way to interact with the
rest of the world? Today there are hundreds of millions of Christians,
hundreds of millions of Muslims and millions of people who follow the
teachings of Moses (Peace Be Upon Him). All divine religions share and
respect one word and that is "monotheism" or belief in a single God and
no other in the world.
The Holy Koran stresses this common word and calls on all followers of
divine religions and says: (3.64) Say: O followers of the Book! come to
an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any
but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught with Him, and (that)
some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah; but if they
turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims. (The Family of
Imran)
Mr. President,
According to divine verses, we have all been called upon to worship one
God and follow the teachings of divine Prophets.
"To worship a God which is above all powers in the world and can do all
He pleases." "the Lord which knows that which is hidden and visible,
the
past and the future, knows what goes on in the Hearts of His servants
and records their deeds."
"The Lord who is the possessor of the heavens and the earth and all
universe is His court" "planning for the universe is done by His hands,
and gives His servants the glad tidings of mercy and forgiveness of
sins" "He is the companion of the oppressed and the enemy of
oppressors"
"He is the Compassionate, the Merciful" "He is the recourse of the
faithful and guides them towards the light from darkness" "He is
witness
to the actions of His servants" "He calls on servants to be faithful
and
do good deeds, and asks them to stay on the path of righteousness and
remain steadfast" "Calls on servants to heed His prophets and He is a
witness to their deeds" "A bad ending belongs only to those who have
chosen the life of this world and disobey Him and oppress His servants"
and "A good land and eternal paradise belong to those servants who fear
His majesty and do not follow their lascivious selves."
We believe a return to the teachings of the divine prophets is the only
road leading to salvation and have been told that Your Excellency
follows the teachings of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) and believes in the
divine promise of the rule of the righteous on Earth.
We also believe that Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him) was one of the
great prophets of the Almighty. He has been repeatedly praised in the
Koran. Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) has been quoted in Koran as well:
(19.36) And surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serve Him;
this is the right path.
Service to and obedience of the Almighty is the credo of all divine
messengers.
The God of all people in Europe, Asia, Africa, America, the Pacific and
the rest of the world is one. He is the Almighty who wants to guide and
give dignity to all His servants. He has given greatness to Humans.
We again read in the Holy Book: "The Almighty God sent His prophets
with
miracles and clear signs to guide the people and show them divine signs
and purify them from sins and pollutions. And He sent the Book and the
balance so that the people display justice and avoid the rebellious."
All of the above verses can be seen, one way or the other, in the Good
Book as well.
Divine prophets have promised:
The day will come when all humans will congregate before the court of
the Almighty, so that their deeds are examined, The good will be
directed towards Haven and evildoers will meet divine retribution. I
trust both of us believe in such a day, but it will not be easy to
calculate the actions of rulers, because we must be answerable to our
nation and all others whose lives have been directly or indirectly
affected by our actions.
All prophets, speak of peace and tranquillity for man -- based on
monotheism, justice and respect for human dignity.
Do you not think that if all of us come to believe in and abide by
these
principles, that is, monotheism, worship of God, justice, respect for
the dignity of man, belief in the Last Day, we can overcome the present
problems of the world -- that are the result of disobedience to the
Almighty and the teachings of prophets -- and improve our performance?
Do you not think that belief in these principles promotes and
guarantees
peace, friendship and justice?
Do you not think that the aforementioned written or unwritten
principles
are universally represented?
Will you not accept this invitation? That is, a genuine return to the
teachings of prophets, to monotheism and justice, to preserve human
dignity and obedience to the Almighty and His prophets?
Mr. President,
History tells us that repressive and cruel governments do not survive.
God has entrusted the fate of men to them. The Almighty has not left
the
universe and humanity to their own devices. Many things have happened
contrary to the wishes and plans of governments. These tell us that
there is a higher power at work and all events are determined by Him.
Can one deny the signs of change in the world today?
Is the situation of the world today comparable to that of 10 years ago?
Changes happen fast and come at a furious pace.
The people of the world are not happy with the status quo and pay
little
heed to the promises and comments made by a number of influential world
leaders. Many people around the world feel insecure and oppose the
spreading of insecurity and war and do not approve of and accept
dubious
policies.
The people are protesting the increasing gap between the haves and the
have-nots and the rich and poor countries.
The people are disgusted with increasing corruption.
The people of many countries are angry about the attacks on their
cultural foundations and the disintegration of families. They are
equally dismayed with the fading of care and compassion. The people of
the world have no faith in international organizations, because their
rights are not advocated by these organizations.
Liberalism and Western-style democracy have not been able to help
realize the ideals of humanity. Today these two concepts have failed.
Those with insight can already hear the sounds of the shattering and
fall of the ideology and thoughts of the Liberal democratic systems.
We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a
main focal point -- that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly through faith
in God and the teachings of the prophets, the people will conquer their
problems. My question for you is: "Do you not want to join them?"
Mr. President,
Whether we like it or not, the world is gravitating towards faith in
the
Almighty and justice and the will of God will prevail over all things.
Reut14:40 05-09-06
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/09/AR2006050900878.html
Cuz wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> || NEWS!
> || 911 inside job ...
> || Ahmadinejad plays hard-ball with Bush. in his letter he says:
>
> Hey, its brain fart again...
We are suppose to take seriously the ranting of a mideastern nut
case? If the translation is factual it makes Ahmadinejad more of a
wack job than most of us might have suspected.
Yeah, this is a guy we want to have possession of nukes.
MUST SEE, show it to every US american....
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
911 truth:
Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime
new SHOCKING documentary released 8 may 2006 !!!
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Don't listen to the idiots who knock this film
WITHOUT HAVING SEEN IT.
Once the idiots see it, THEY WILL NOT TALK about it..
they will not find the words to describe what they saw.
Conspiracy idiots are becoming entertaining now.
Wanna laugh? Check this out!
The planes WERE NOT THERE.. they were
just BLUE SCREEN computer graphics creations.
Marcus Icke "prooved" it with the help
of Microsoft Flight Simulator!!!
You heard it from me first!
Look:
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqrf00/ggua175/
If you cannot get any joy out of it, try the evil masterpiece ...the
EGLS-video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688
it contains shameless treasonous accusations against
our president and his honest and caring administration,
and we can just laugh it away! So funny to accuse our
administration of crimes that everybody KNOWS they did...
ah yes,
Re: WTC collapse
> There was a Discovery channel program that explained how the
> constuction of the buildings permittted this to happen.
Discovery Channel is beyond doubt! It has the experts and is impartial!
They are only a small cog in the corporate media, they can still say
the truth!
More funny videos are here:
the most watched videos are....
1) Colbert Roasts President Bush
2) 911 Loose Change 2nd Edition with extra footage
http://video.google.com/videoranking
>
> The interesting part of the P&T video is the body language of the
> conspiracy theorists. Watch the body language and see if you can spot the
> abnormalities. These people are not normal.
Conspiracy idiots are becoming entertaining now.
Wanna laugh? Check this out!
The planes WERE NOT THERE.. they were
just BLUE SCREEN computer graphics creations.
Marcus Icke "prooved" it with the help
of Microsoft Flight Simulator!!!
You heard it from me first!
Look:
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqrf00/ggua175/
If you cannot get any joy out of it, try the evil masterpiece ...the
EGLS-video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688
it contains shameless treasonous accusations against
our president and his honest and caring administration,
and we can just laugh it away! So funny to accuse our
administration of crimes that everybody KNOWS they did...
ah yes,
Re: WTC collapse
> There was a Discovery channel program that explained how the
> constuction of the buildings permittted this to happen.
Discovery Channel is beyond doubt! It has the experts and is impartial!
They are only a small cog in the corporate media, they can still say
the truth!
More funny videos are here:
the most watched videos are....
1) Colbert Roasts President Bush
2) 911 Loose Change 2nd Edition with extra footage
http://video.google.com/videoranking
enjoy!
"Colin McLuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> This Iranian President is pretty wordy and does ask some
> nagging questions. Well, sometimes you just have to ask the
> obvious questions, and possibily make a liar out of the person.
>
> 1. Ask the CIA/NSA "Is 911 an Inside Job"
> 2. if 911 is an inside job then
> 3. if CIA/NSA says "we didn't instigate 911" then
> 4. CIA/NSA are liars
> 5. else
> 6. there you go, they said it, it is an inside job.
> 7. end
> 8. else
> 9. if CIA/NSA says "we didn't instigate 911" then
> 10. they spoken the truth, they didn't do it
> 11. else
> 12. why would they claim something they didn't do?
> 13. end
> 14. end
>
>> ... You might know that I am a teacher. My students ask me how can these
>> actions be reconciled with the values outlined at the beginning of this
>>
>> letter and duty to the tradition of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him),
>> the Messenger of peace and forgiveness?
>
> In the Muslim culture, the salutation of "God" usually is "Praise Be Upon
> Him", not "Peace Be Upon Him".
>
And of course they don't mention Christ that way either. To them he's just a
minor prophet, of little more importence than any of dozens of other minor
prophets.
"Him" is Allah, not Jesus or anyone else.
"Jeroen Wenting" <jwenting at hornet dot demon dot nl> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Colin McLuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> This Iranian President is pretty wordy and does ask some
>> nagging questions. Well, sometimes you just have to ask the
>> obvious questions, and possibily make a liar out of the person.
>>
>> 1. Ask the CIA/NSA "Is 911 an Inside Job"
>> 2. if 911 is an inside job then
>> 3. if CIA/NSA says "we didn't instigate 911" then
>> 4. CIA/NSA are liars
>> 5. else
>> 6. there you go, they said it, it is an inside job.
>> 7. end
>> 8. else
>> 9. if CIA/NSA says "we didn't instigate 911" then
>> 10. they spoken the truth, they didn't do it
>> 11. else
>> 12. why would they claim something they didn't do?
>> 13. end
>> 14. end
>>
>>> ... You might know that I am a teacher. My students ask me how can these
>>> actions be reconciled with the values outlined at the beginning of this
>>>
>>> letter and duty to the tradition of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him),
>>> the Messenger of peace and forgiveness?
>>
>> In the Muslim culture, the salutation of "God" usually is "Praise Be Upon
>> Him", not "Peace Be Upon Him".
>>
> And of course they don't mention Christ that way either. To them he's just
> a minor prophet, of little more importence than any of dozens of other
> minor prophets.
>
> "Him" is Allah, not Jesus or anyone else.
>
May Piss be upon him.
Jim E
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Re: Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometim
>
> I challenge yous to bring up
>
> ONE SINGLE POINT in this movie
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688
>
> that "creates a scenario" that is not there.
>
> You will be the looser of this challenge if you
> dare to take it up, cowards!
>
Be happy in your delusions.
:-) Jim E
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> MUST SEE, show it to every US american....
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> 911 truth:
>
> Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime
>
> new SHOCKING documentary released 8 may 2006 !!!
>
> 370meg version Bandwidth frugal TORRENT download:
> http://ts.searching.com/torrent/732012/911_truth_Everybody_s_Gotta_Learn_Sometime_MUST_SEE
>
> 100meg version (still good quality) Google Video WWW download:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688
>
> I used the SMALL-standalone player VLC http://www.videolan.org/ that
> works on EVERY windows version, however moronised the operating system
> has become by corrupted software. It just works. ( press F for
> fullscreen and enjoy!)
>
> Don't listen to the idiots who knock this film
> WITHOUT HAVING SEEN IT.
>
> Once the idiots see it, THEY WILL NOT TALK about it..
> they will not find the words to describe what they saw.
>
Big deal, another conspiracy loon propaganda piece.
Cut and paste facts, falsies, and conjecture.
Total toilet food.
Yawnnnnnn
Jim E
"Mike Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 14 May 2006 03:08:52 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> haha,
>>>
>>> chicken chicken!!
>>>
>>> Dear Lurkers! Please observe the bad sportsmanship
>>> of the right-wing gun-nutters.
>>>
>>> To the three stooges:
>>>
>>> Prof. Jones research re: WTC controlled demolition
>>> is extremely compelling. You should read it.
>>> http://st911.org
>>
>>The guy obviously has no knowledge of structures, materials or failure
>>modes.
>
> Barking moonbats rarely have any concept of reality, much less actual
> knowledge of why things do what they do.
>
> In order to believe this lunacy, "reality" must exit the building.
>
These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
They start puking all over their shoes.
Jim E
"Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:kjuag.29310$fG3.15874@dukeread09...
> Jim E wrote:
>> "Mike Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 14 May 2006 03:08:52 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> haha,
>>>>>
>>>>> chicken chicken!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Lurkers! Please observe the bad sportsmanship
>>>>> of the right-wing gun-nutters.
>>>>>
>>>>> To the three stooges:
>>>>>
>>>>> Prof. Jones research re: WTC controlled demolition
>>>>> is extremely compelling. You should read it.
>>>>> http://st911.org
>>>> The guy obviously has no knowledge of structures, materials or failure
>>>> modes.
>>> Barking moonbats rarely have any concept of reality, much less actual
>>> knowledge of why things do what they do.
>>>
>>> In order to believe this lunacy, "reality" must exit the building.
>>>
>>
>>
>> These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
>> They start puking all over their shoes.
>>
>>
>> Jim E
>>
> For some time the conspiracy goons have been saying "the government
> won't release their video of the Pentagon strike. This proves they have
> something to hide..which in turn proves there's a conspiracy...which in
> turn proves the government created the conspiracy....which in turn proves
> Bush planned it....which proves..." The video was released today. I guess
> the goons will now say "it's faked" or "it's altered" or anything besides
> they were wrong.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
These goofs are self feeding.
Your above anal is sure to be accurate.
SFC Jim, U.S Army, I just quit.
Jim E
"Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:kjuag.29310$fG3.15874@dukeread09...
>>>
>>>
>>> These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
>>> They start puking all over their shoes.
> I guess we need to grade that one on a curve.
>
Depth of vomit, or corrosive action on the shine?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim E
>>>
>> For some time the conspiracy goons have been saying "the government
>> won't release their video of the Pentagon strike. This proves they have
>> something to hide..which in turn proves there's a conspiracy...which in
>> turn proves the government created the conspiracy....which in turn proves
>> Bush planned it....which proves..." The video was released today.
>
> I don't think anyone would claim that Bush planned anything.
Partisan shit ignored.
>
>> I guess the goons will now say "it's faked" or "it's altered" or anything
>> besides they were wrong.
>
> Faked videos... that couldn't be.
>
So you are now siding with the conspiracy nutballs??
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
>
> Well one thing I'm sure we can all agree on is that the government and air
> farce's handling of 9/11 was exemplary.
> Exemplary of what.. well ineptitude but exemplary none the less.
>
As a Monday morning quarterback, you really suk.
Jim E
"P No Gree G O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dan wrote:
>> Jim E wrote:
>>
>>> "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:kjuag.29310$fG3.15874@dukeread09...
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
>>>>>> They start puking all over their shoes.
>>>>
>>>> I guess we need to grade that one on a curve.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Depth of vomit, or corrosive action on the shine?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim E
>>>>>>
>>>>> For some time the conspiracy goons have been saying "the government
>>>>> won't release their video of the Pentagon strike. This proves they
>>>>> have something to hide..which in turn proves there's a
>>>>> conspiracy...which in turn proves the government created the
>>>>> conspiracy....which in turn proves Bush planned it....which proves..."
>>>>> The video was released today.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think anyone would claim that Bush planned anything.
>>>
>>>
>>> Partisan shit ignored.
>>>
>>
>> Have you ever noticed the same people who call Bush stupid also accuse
>> him of organizing all kinds of plans,plots and crimes?
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> LOL. The kind of people who would call any president stupid deserve what
> they get in response.
>
Stupid people don't usually end up at the top of the biggest hill on the
planet.
Stupid people do tend to second guess those that do succeed where they have
not even dreamed.
Jim E
[followups jiggered. I'm not interested in your rants or your
reactionary response. And I'm not interested in continuing.]
On 2006-05-16, [email protected] <[email protected]> ranted thusly:
> Marcus Icke "prooved" it with the help
> of Microsoft Flight Simulator!!!
>
> You heard it from me first!
>
> Look:
>
> http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqrf00/ggua175/
Okay, I looked at that, and it is completely absurd. At every
uncertainty, the author's determination to find a fraud governed his
interpretation of recorded events, and kept him from finding those same
uncertainties that would prevent any conclusion, and ordered the
presentation to suggest the outcome.
For example, there is much mention of the "distorted left wing", and the
conclusion already made that it is a fraud before he even mentions (to
dismiss it) the possibility the plane wing surfaces are bent from the
stresses of an upward turn.
The suggestion is dismissed because the "investigator" doesn't see any
control surfaces in the obliquely photographed and low-resolution image.
He suggests it should be the right wing, not the left, that is being
bent up, but has forgotton that he himself pinned the "fraud" right wing
to the "simulation" right wing. Had he bothered to reverse that would
he have found any reason to prefer one over the other? No, because
neither one would be accurate.
The "investigator's" conclusions suggest he has a better simulator than
the perpetrators of the "fraud".
I'm sure there is more in that tiresome long paranoid thesis, and if you
want a little idle amusement you might take it upon yourself to expose
the problems, rather than assert those drugged out democrats are barking
at the moon. Because there is something importantly wrong about the
whole affair, the 911 commission findings were woefully poorly done, and
and the investigation should be made, and critiqued.
I half did this because so often I see responses asserting "oh that's
been debunked on Discovery channel", but there's never any evidence of
understanding on the part of the poster, who apparently is just
reacting. I wanted to show what was proper in the way of disagreement:
it aint just howling back, facts and insight and a measured response are
proper. The fact is, you are barking, and they are at least laying an
argument out that can be critiqued. :)
er
--
email not valid
On Sun, 14 May 2006 03:08:52 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> haha,
>>
>> chicken chicken!!
>>
>> Dear Lurkers! Please observe the bad sportsmanship
>> of the right-wing gun-nutters.
>>
>> To the three stooges:
>>
>> Prof. Jones research re: WTC controlled demolition
>> is extremely compelling. You should read it.
>> http://st911.org
>
>The guy obviously has no knowledge of structures, materials or failure
>modes.
Barking moonbats rarely have any concept of reality, much less actual
knowledge of why things do what they do.
In order to believe this lunacy, "reality" must exit the building.
Mike Smith
Jim E wrote:
> "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:kjuag.29310$fG3.15874@dukeread09...
>>>>
>>>> These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
>>>> They start puking all over their shoes.
>> I guess we need to grade that one on a curve.
>>
>
> Depth of vomit, or corrosive action on the shine?
>
>
>>>>
>>>> Jim E
>>>>
>>> For some time the conspiracy goons have been saying "the government
>>> won't release their video of the Pentagon strike. This proves they have
>>> something to hide..which in turn proves there's a conspiracy...which in
>>> turn proves the government created the conspiracy....which in turn proves
>>> Bush planned it....which proves..." The video was released today.
>> I don't think anyone would claim that Bush planned anything.
>
> Partisan shit ignored.
>
Have you ever noticed the same people who call Bush stupid also
accuse him of organizing all kinds of plans,plots and crimes?
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
"Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:5iAag.29363$fG3.28080@dukeread09...
> Jim E wrote:
>> "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:kjuag.29310$fG3.15874@dukeread09...
>>>>>
>>>>> These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
>>>>> They start puking all over their shoes.
>>> I guess we need to grade that one on a curve.
>>>
>>
>> Depth of vomit, or corrosive action on the shine?
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim E
>>>>>
>>>> For some time the conspiracy goons have been saying "the government
>>>> won't release their video of the Pentagon strike. This proves they have
>>>> something to hide..which in turn proves there's a conspiracy...which in
>>>> turn proves the government created the conspiracy....which in turn
>>>> proves Bush planned it....which proves..." The video was released
>>>> today.
>>> I don't think anyone would claim that Bush planned anything.
>>
>> Partisan shit ignored.
If your shit would only rise to partisan level, that would at least be a
start.
>>
>
> Have you ever noticed the same people who call Bush stupid also accuse
> him of organizing all kinds of plans,plots and crimes?
The only think I noticed is that you can't read considering I was saying the
opposite....
hence the "I don't think anyone would claim that Bush planned anything."
"
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
I guess you brain is retired too.
Orval Fairbairn <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>haha,
>> >>
>> >>chicken chicken!!
>> >>
>> >>Dear Lurkers! Please observe the bad sportsmanship
>> >>of the right-wing gun-nutters.
>> >>
>> >>To the three stooges:
>> >>
>> >>Prof. Jones research re: WTC controlled demolition
>> >>is extremely compelling. You should read it.
>> >>http://st911.org
>> >
>> >
>> > The guy obviously has no knowledge of structures, materials or
>> > failure modes.
>>
>> I'm inclined to believe the UseNet buzzword aficionado is slinging
>> bull.
>> What about all the structural/mechanical/material engineers he
>> consulted? Do you think they're all ignorant ivory tower navel gazers,
>> too?
>
> More than that -- I believe that they are a bunch of howling moonbats
> who are so self-impressed by their PhDs in physics, sociology,
> education, mathematics, etc. that they have no concept of the real
> world.
>
> The sum total of structural engineers, materials specialists, etc. who
> agree with their "analysis" is zero. There was quite a discussion of
> these "analyses" in this NG and rec.aviation.piloting a couple of months
> ago -- the consensus of the structural engineers and demolition experts
> was that the self-styled "9/11 Truth Movement" was not interested in
> truth; rather that they were trying to obtain support for their flawed
> hypothesis of a government conspiracy.
>
>
>
>> Did you even watch the video? (good video at video.google.com, search
>> with wtc and look for steven jones.)
>>
>> er
>
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523
Orval Fairbairn <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Orval Fairbairn <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>> >> > In article
>> >> > <[email protected]>,
>> >> > [email protected] wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>haha,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>chicken chicken!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Dear Lurkers! Please observe the bad sportsmanship
>> >> >>of the right-wing gun-nutters.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>To the three stooges:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Prof. Jones research re: WTC controlled demolition
>> >> >>is extremely compelling. You should read it.
>> >> >>http://st911.org
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > The guy obviously has no knowledge of structures, materials or
>> >> > failure modes.
>> >>
>> >> I'm inclined to believe the UseNet buzzword aficionado is slinging
>> >> bull.
>> >> What about all the structural/mechanical/material engineers he
>> >> consulted? Do you think they're all ignorant ivory tower navel
>> >> gazers, too?
>> >
>> > More than that -- I believe that they are a bunch of howling moonbats
>> > who are so self-impressed by their PhDs in physics, sociology,
>> > education, mathematics, etc. that they have no concept of the real
>> > world.
>> >
>> > The sum total of structural engineers, materials specialists, etc.
>> > who agree with their "analysis" is zero. There was quite a discussion
>> > of these "analyses" in this NG and rec.aviation.piloting a couple of
>> > months ago -- the consensus of the structural engineers and
>> > demolition experts was that the self-styled "9/11 Truth Movement" was
>> > not interested in truth; rather that they were trying to obtain
>> > support for their flawed hypothesis of a government conspiracy.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Did you even watch the video? (good video at video.google.com,
>> >> search with wtc and look for steven jones.)
>> >>
>> >> er
>> >
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523
>
> Good video!
>
> It shows ideos of moonbats barking.
>
> The WTC collapsed when the upper stories collapsed. The entire structure
> suffered from overload when 100 million tons of upper floors fell 20
> feet into the bottom floors. The stress from the impact of the upper
> stories was transmitted throughout the structure, which sustained
> simultaneous overload throughout all lower stories.
>
> That is how it collapsed -- not via some insane covert application of
> explosives.
>
Agreed. There was a Discovery channel program that explained how the
constuction of the buildings permittted this to happen.
The interesting part of the P&T video is the body language of the
conspiracy theorists. Watch the body language and see if you can spot the
abnormalities. These people are not normal.
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in news:ec059$44687a10$cef88bc5$10361
@TEKSAVVY.COM:
> "R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> abnormalities. These people are not normal.
>
> Neither are you for quoting 80 lines of previous text as well as
> crossposting you message to rec.travel.air.
>
>
80 lines of text? If you are complaining about 80 lines of text and the
bandwidth and storage it takes up, here is a penny for those 80 lines. Go
get some more storage and bandwidth with the change.
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"Colin McLuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
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This Iranian President is pretty wordy and does ask some
nagging questions. Well, sometimes you just have to ask the
obvious questions, and possibily make a liar out of the person.
1. Ask the CIA/NSA "Is 911 an Inside Job"
2. if 911 is an inside job then
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5. else
6. there you go, they said it, it is an inside job.
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"Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:kjuag.29310$fG3.15874@dukeread09...
>>
>>
>> These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
>> They start puking all over their shoes.
I guess we need to grade that one on a curve.
>>
>>
>> Jim E
>>
> For some time the conspiracy goons have been saying "the government
> won't release their video of the Pentagon strike. This proves they have
> something to hide..which in turn proves there's a conspiracy...which in
> turn proves the government created the conspiracy....which in turn proves
> Bush planned it....which proves..." The video was released today.
I don't think anyone would claim that Bush planned anything.
> I guess the goons will now say "it's faked" or "it's altered" or anything
> besides they were wrong.
Faked videos... that couldn't be.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Well one thing I'm sure we can all agree on is that the government and air
farce's handling of 9/11 was exemplary.
Exemplary of what.. well ineptitude but exemplary none the less.
This Iranian President is pretty wordy and does ask some
nagging questions. Well, sometimes you just have to ask the
obvious questions, and possibily make a liar out of the person.
1. Ask the CIA/NSA "Is 911 an Inside Job"
2. if 911 is an inside job then
3. if CIA/NSA says "we didn't instigate 911" then
4. CIA/NSA are liars
5. else
6. there you go, they said it, it is an inside job.
7. end
8. else
9. if CIA/NSA says "we didn't instigate 911" then
10. they spoken the truth, they didn't do it
11. else
12. why would they claim something they didn't do?
13. end
14. end
> ... You might know that I am a teacher. My students ask me how can these
> actions be reconciled with the values outlined at the beginning of this
>
> letter and duty to the tradition of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him),
> the Messenger of peace and forgiveness?
In the Muslim culture, the salutation of "God" usually is "Praise Be Upon
Him", not "Peace Be Upon Him".
In article <[email protected]>,
Jeroen Wenting <jwenting at hornet dot demon dot nl> wrote:
>
>"Him" is Allah, not Jesus or anyone else.
>
Ins't Him a villain on The Powerpuff Girls? Or is that Her?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> NEWS!
>
> 911 inside job ...
>
While it seems not probable that Civil Servants would
facilitate the 911 project, the "Loose Change 911"
video does bring up some interesting points.
"R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> abnormalities. These people are not normal.
Neither are you for quoting 80 lines of previous text as well as
crossposting you message to rec.travel.air.
On 9 May 2006 22:27:35 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>NEWS!
>
>911 inside job ...
>
>Ahmadinejad plays hard-ball with Bush. in his letter he says:
>
>"September eleven was not a simple operation.
> Could it be planned and executed without coordination with
> intelligence and security services -- or their extensive infiltration?
> Of course this is just an educated guess.
> Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? "
He doesn't even try to guess whose intelligence and security services, does
he?
Your connection between the random musings to evidence of 9/11 being an inside
job is at best, nonexistent.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> MUST SEE, show it to every US american....
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> 911 truth:
>
> Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime
>
> new SHOCKING documentary released 8 may 2006 !!!
>
> 370meg version Bandwidth frugal TORRENT download:
> http://ts.searching.com/torrent/732012/911_truth_Everybody_s_Gotta_Learn_Sometime_MUST_SEE
>
> 100meg version (still good quality) Google Video WWW download:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688
>
> I used the SMALL-standalone player VLC http://www.videolan.org/ that
> works on EVERY windows version, however moronised the operating system
> has become by corrupted software. It just works. ( press F for
> fullscreen and enjoy!)
>
> Don't listen to the idiots who knock this film
> WITHOUT HAVING SEEN IT.
>
> Once the idiots see it, THEY WILL NOT TALK about it..
> they will not find the words to describe what they saw.
A perfect example of devising a theory and carefully fitting in the chosen
facts, half-truths, and speculations to obtain the desired result.
Jack wrote:
> "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:5iAag.29363$fG3.28080@dukeread09...
>
>>Jim E wrote:
>>
>>>"Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>"Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:kjuag.29310$fG3.15874@dukeread09...
>>>>
>>>>>>These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
>>>>>>They start puking all over their shoes.
>>>>
>>>>I guess we need to grade that one on a curve.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Depth of vomit, or corrosive action on the shine?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Jim E
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For some time the conspiracy goons have been saying "the government
>>>>>won't release their video of the Pentagon strike. This proves they have
>>>>>something to hide..which in turn proves there's a conspiracy...which in
>>>>>turn proves the government created the conspiracy....which in turn
>>>>>proves Bush planned it....which proves..." The video was released
>>>>>today.
>>>>
>>>>I don't think anyone would claim that Bush planned anything.
>>>
>>>Partisan shit ignored.
>
> If your shit would only rise to partisan level, that would at least be a
> start.
>
>
>> Have you ever noticed the same people who call Bush stupid also accuse
>>him of organizing all kinds of plans,plots and crimes?
>
>
>
> The only think I noticed is that you can't read considering I was saying the
> opposite....
> hence the "I don't think anyone would claim that Bush planned anything."
>
>
> "
>
>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
>
> I guess you brain is retired too.
>
>
Case rested.
Jim E wrote:
> "Mike Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 14 May 2006 03:08:52 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> haha,
>>>>
>>>> chicken chicken!!
>>>>
>>>> Dear Lurkers! Please observe the bad sportsmanship
>>>> of the right-wing gun-nutters.
>>>>
>>>> To the three stooges:
>>>>
>>>> Prof. Jones research re: WTC controlled demolition
>>>> is extremely compelling. You should read it.
>>>> http://st911.org
>>> The guy obviously has no knowledge of structures, materials or failure
>>> modes.
>> Barking moonbats rarely have any concept of reality, much less actual
>> knowledge of why things do what they do.
>>
>> In order to believe this lunacy, "reality" must exit the building.
>>
>
>
> These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
> They start puking all over their shoes.
>
>
> Jim E
>
For some time the conspiracy goons have been saying "the government
won't release their video of the Pentagon strike. This proves they have
something to hide..which in turn proves there's a conspiracy...which in
turn proves the government created the conspiracy....which in turn
proves Bush planned it....which proves..." The video was released today.
I guess the goons will now say "it's faked" or "it's altered" or
anything besides they were wrong.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
"R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Orval Fairbairn <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>>> > [email protected] wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
[snip]
>>> >>Prof. Jones research re: WTC controlled demolition
>>> >>is extremely compelling. You should read it.
>>> >>http://st911.org
>>> >
[snip]
>>I believe that they are a bunch of howling moonbats
>> who are so self-impressed by their PhDs in physics, sociology,
>> education, mathematics, etc. that they have no concept of the real
>> world.
>>
>> The sum total of structural engineers, materials specialists, etc. who
>> agree with their "analysis" is zero. There was quite a discussion of
>> these "analyses" in this NG and rec.aviation.piloting a couple of months
>> ago -- the consensus of the structural engineers and demolition experts
>> was that the self-styled "9/11 Truth Movement" was not interested in
>> truth; rather that they were trying to obtain support for their flawed
>> hypothesis of a government conspiracy.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Did you even watch the video? (good video at video.google.com, search
>>> with wtc and look for steven jones.)
>>>
I've looked at Jones and the 9ll "truthseeker's" site, which appears to be
full of self-serving content and wacko theories that don't hold water.
Jones' theory of pre-set explosives fails every test of logic and doesn't
fit with the videos that are available from many source. The entire group
seems to have latched on to a conspiracy theory and then has tried to find
anything however irrelevant that might agree with their presuppositions.
This guy is a professor?? That speaks to the sad state of college education
these days!
I've also looked at Penn and Teller's video. Penn and Teller make more
sense.
Link to Penn and Teller:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523
>
Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>haha,
>>
>>chicken chicken!!
>>
>>Dear Lurkers! Please observe the bad sportsmanship
>>of the right-wing gun-nutters.
>>
>>To the three stooges:
>>
>>Prof. Jones research re: WTC controlled demolition
>>is extremely compelling. You should read it.
>>http://st911.org
>
>
> The guy obviously has no knowledge of structures, materials or failure
> modes.
I'm inclined to believe the UseNet buzzword aficionado is slinging bull.
What about all the structural/mechanical/material engineers he
consulted? Do you think they're all ignorant ivory tower navel gazers, too?
Did you even watch the video? (good video at video.google.com, search
with wtc and look for steven jones.)
er
--
email not valid
In article <[email protected]>,
Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
> Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >
> >>haha,
> >>
> >>chicken chicken!!
> >>
> >>Dear Lurkers! Please observe the bad sportsmanship
> >>of the right-wing gun-nutters.
> >>
> >>To the three stooges:
> >>
> >>Prof. Jones research re: WTC controlled demolition
> >>is extremely compelling. You should read it.
> >>http://st911.org
> >
> >
> > The guy obviously has no knowledge of structures, materials or failure
> > modes.
>
> I'm inclined to believe the UseNet buzzword aficionado is slinging bull.
> What about all the structural/mechanical/material engineers he
> consulted? Do you think they're all ignorant ivory tower navel gazers, too?
More than that -- I believe that they are a bunch of howling moonbats
who are so self-impressed by their PhDs in physics, sociology,
education, mathematics, etc. that they have no concept of the real
world.
The sum total of structural engineers, materials specialists, etc. who
agree with their "analysis" is zero. There was quite a discussion of
these "analyses" in this NG and rec.aviation.piloting a couple of months
ago -- the consensus of the structural engineers and demolition experts
was that the self-styled "9/11 Truth Movement" was not interested in
truth; rather that they were trying to obtain support for their flawed
hypothesis of a government conspiracy.
> Did you even watch the video? (good video at video.google.com, search
> with wtc and look for steven jones.)
>
> er
In article <[email protected]>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Orval Fairbairn <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > [email protected] wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>haha,
> >> >>
> >> >>chicken chicken!!
> >> >>
> >> >>Dear Lurkers! Please observe the bad sportsmanship
> >> >>of the right-wing gun-nutters.
> >> >>
> >> >>To the three stooges:
> >> >>
> >> >>Prof. Jones research re: WTC controlled demolition
> >> >>is extremely compelling. You should read it.
> >> >>http://st911.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The guy obviously has no knowledge of structures, materials or
> >> > failure modes.
> >>
> >> I'm inclined to believe the UseNet buzzword aficionado is slinging
> >> bull.
> >> What about all the structural/mechanical/material engineers he
> >> consulted? Do you think they're all ignorant ivory tower navel gazers,
> >> too?
> >
> > More than that -- I believe that they are a bunch of howling moonbats
> > who are so self-impressed by their PhDs in physics, sociology,
> > education, mathematics, etc. that they have no concept of the real
> > world.
> >
> > The sum total of structural engineers, materials specialists, etc. who
> > agree with their "analysis" is zero. There was quite a discussion of
> > these "analyses" in this NG and rec.aviation.piloting a couple of months
> > ago -- the consensus of the structural engineers and demolition experts
> > was that the self-styled "9/11 Truth Movement" was not interested in
> > truth; rather that they were trying to obtain support for their flawed
> > hypothesis of a government conspiracy.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Did you even watch the video? (good video at video.google.com, search
> >> with wtc and look for steven jones.)
> >>
> >> er
> >
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523
Good video!
It shows ideos of moonbats barking.
The WTC collapsed when the upper stories collapsed. The entire structure
suffered from overload when 100 million tons of upper floors fell 20
feet into the bottom floors. The stress from the impact of the upper
stories was transmitted throughout the structure, which sustained
simultaneous overload throughout all lower stories.
That is how it collapsed -- not via some insane covert application of
explosives.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
> haha,
>
> chicken chicken!!
>
> Dear Lurkers! Please observe the bad sportsmanship
> of the right-wing gun-nutters.
>
> To the three stooges:
>
> Prof. Jones research re: WTC controlled demolition
> is extremely compelling. You should read it.
> http://st911.org
The guy obviously has no knowledge of structures, materials or failure
modes.
[email protected] wrote:
|| NEWS!
||
|| 911 inside job ...
||
|| Ahmadinejad plays hard-ball with Bush. in his letter he says:
||
Hey, its brain fart again...
Dan wrote:
> Jim E wrote:
>
>> "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:kjuag.29310$fG3.15874@dukeread09...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
>>>>> They start puking all over their shoes.
>>>
>>> I guess we need to grade that one on a curve.
>>>
>>
>> Depth of vomit, or corrosive action on the shine?
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim E
>>>>>
>>>> For some time the conspiracy goons have been saying "the
>>>> government won't release their video of the Pentagon strike. This
>>>> proves they have something to hide..which in turn proves there's a
>>>> conspiracy...which in turn proves the government created the
>>>> conspiracy....which in turn proves Bush planned it....which
>>>> proves..." The video was released today.
>>>
>>> I don't think anyone would claim that Bush planned anything.
>>
>>
>> Partisan shit ignored.
>>
>
> Have you ever noticed the same people who call Bush stupid also accuse
> him of organizing all kinds of plans,plots and crimes?
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
LOL. The kind of people who would call any president stupid deserve
what they get in response.
Jim E wrote:
> "P No Gree G O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Dan wrote:
>>
>>>Jim E wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:kjuag.29310$fG3.15874@dukeread09...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
>>>>>>>They start puking all over their shoes.
>>>>>
>>>>>I guess we need to grade that one on a curve.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Depth of vomit, or corrosive action on the shine?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim E
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For some time the conspiracy goons have been saying "the government
>>>>>>won't release their video of the Pentagon strike. This proves they
>>>>>>have something to hide..which in turn proves there's a
>>>>>>conspiracy...which in turn proves the government created the
>>>>>>conspiracy....which in turn proves Bush planned it....which proves..."
>>>>>>The video was released today.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't think anyone would claim that Bush planned anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Partisan shit ignored.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Have you ever noticed the same people who call Bush stupid also accuse
>>>him of organizing all kinds of plans,plots and crimes?
>>>
>>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>>
>>LOL. The kind of people who would call any president stupid deserve what
>>they get in response.
>>
>
>
> Stupid people don't usually end up at the top of the biggest hill on the
> planet.
> Stupid people do tend to second guess those that do succeed where they have
> not even dreamed.
>
>
Insecurity is the root of all evil.
"P No Gree G O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dan wrote:
>> Jim E wrote:
>>
>>> "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> "Dan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:kjuag.29310$fG3.15874@dukeread09...
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These loons suffer apoplexy when confronted with reality.
>>>>>> They start puking all over their shoes.
>>>>
>>>> I guess we need to grade that one on a curve.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Depth of vomit, or corrosive action on the shine?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim E
>>>>>>
>>>>> For some time the conspiracy goons have been saying "the government
>>>>> won't release their video of the Pentagon strike. This proves they
>>>>> have something to hide..which in turn proves there's a
>>>>> conspiracy...which in turn proves the government created the
>>>>> conspiracy....which in turn proves Bush planned it....which proves..."
>>>>> The video was released today.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think anyone would claim that Bush planned anything.
>>>
>>>
>>> Partisan shit ignored.
>>>
>>
>> Have you ever noticed the same people who call Bush stupid also accuse
>> him of organizing all kinds of plans,plots and crimes?
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> LOL. The kind of people who would call any president stupid deserve what
> they get in response.
And what about the kind of people that diagnosed a president that had
alzeimer's... I think they are called doctors. *LOL*....