I tried to use my Porter Cable 89* plunge router to make soss hinge
mortices today, with very dissapointing results. I have alot of WWing
experience (25+ years), but I do not have much experience with plunge
routers. These results were totally unacceptable.
Too much slop in the plunge base. These hinges are 1/2" X 2 3/8".
I was using a 1/2" bit with a 3/4" guide in an mdf template.
I ended up using the fixed base with the same template, plunging it
farmer style. The 24 mortices came out perfect.
I guess theres a reason the plunge base has been in a drawer the 2
years Ive owned this tool. The horrid thing wont see daylight again
for a long time in my shop.
On Sep 30, 7:43 am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > I tried to use my Porter Cable 89* plunge router to make soss hinge
> > mortices today, with very dissapointing results. I have alot of
> > WWing experience (25+ years), but I do not have much experience
> > with plunge routers. These results were totally unacceptable.
> > Too much slop in the plunge base. These hinges are 1/2" X 2 3/8".
> > I was using a 1/2" bit with a 3/4" guide in an mdf template.
> > I ended up using the fixed base with the same template, plunging it
> > farmer style. The 24 mortices came out perfect.
> > I guess theres a reason the plunge base has been in a drawer the 2
> > years Ive owned this tool. The horrid thing wont see daylight again
> > for a long time in my shop.
>
> It would have worked better with a 3/8" bit.
>
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>
> dadiOH
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My initial setup was a 3/8"bit with a 5/8" guide in a template made
using a 3/4" forstner bit, but the slop in the porter cable's plunge
base produced crappy mortices, That is, an intended 1/2" mortice would
actually end up at about 17/32" wide and slightly uneven, which in
this project is unacceptable.
The final setup I used the 1/2" bit so I would not need the radius on
my template.
This enabled me to glue up the template using several mdf blocks
accurately cut to index both of the mortices the required distance
from the top and bottom of doors and stiles.
I started the thread hoping to get feedback on the overall accuracy of
the Porter Cable 89* plunge base compared to other models. I wonder if
this application is just too much to expect from any plunge based
router.
On Oct 1, 7:08 am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I use two plunge routers...a Bosch 1611 1/2" and a >Porter Cable base for 890 routers used with an old >Black & Decker/Dewalt 1/4" router motor. I cut all >manner of things with both and have not had any
> problem with deflection.
One thing that PC seems to make that is a good qualtiy product is
their line of routers. Seems like they have to recall them a lot
(including the 890) but in the end they get them right.
I would think that your setup is out of whack someway. I use an old
Porter Cable plunger that I have had for years to mortise door hinges
all the time as part of my business. I also have a DeWalt (Elu) 625
plunger that is a as sturdy as a rock. Your 890 is a nice router,
well made and sturdy.
If you were able to cut the mortises with our other setup in a
satisfatory manner it would seem you have your technique down solid,
so it would seem to leave the router. Is there anything in the
collet? Are the slides moving freely? Is the plunge base attached
properly?
Robert
On Oct 1, 12:04 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Oct 1, 7:08 am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I use two plunge routers...a Bosch 1611 1/2" and a >Porter Cable base for 890 routers used with an old >Black & Decker/Dewalt 1/4" router motor. I cut all >manner of things with both and have not had any
> > problem with deflection.
>
> One thing that PC seems to make that is a good qualtiy product is
> their line of routers. Seems like they have to recall them a lot
> (including the 890) but in the end they get them right.
>
> I would think that your setup is out of whack someway. I use an old
> Porter Cable plunger that I have had for years to mortise door hinges
> all the time as part of my business. I also have a DeWalt (Elu) 625
> plunger that is a as sturdy as a rock. Your 890 is a nice router,
> well made and sturdy.
>
> If you were able to cut the mortises with our other setup in a
> satisfatory manner it would seem you have your technique down solid,
> so it would seem to leave the router. Is there anything in the
> collet? Are the slides moving freely? Is the plunge base attached
> properly?
>
> Robert
Everything is fine except the secondary bore on the plunge base there
is slop. It appears to have a plastic bushing. The primary bore is
bushed with bronze and is alot tighter. Ive worked in wood shops most
of my life, and never gave much thought to plunge routers. The few
times I have used them, I just kind of took them for granted, picked
them up and went to work, and never experienced a problem. Usually
though, it was an operation where this degree of accurqacy was not
required, such as butt hinges in a household door.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sep 30, 7:43 am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> I tried to use my Porter Cable 89* plunge router to make soss
>>> hinge mortices today, with very dissapointing results. I have
>>> alot of WWing experience (25+ years), but I do not have much
>>> experience with plunge routers. These results were totally
>>> unacceptable.
>>> Too much slop in the plunge base. These hinges are 1/2" X 2 3/8".
>>> I was using a 1/2" bit with a 3/4" guide in an mdf template.
>>> I ended up using the fixed base with the same template, plunging
>>> it farmer style. The 24 mortices came out perfect.
>>> I guess theres a reason the plunge base has been in a drawer the 2
>>> years Ive owned this tool. The horrid thing wont see daylight
>>> again for a long time in my shop.
>>
>> It would have worked better with a 3/8" bit.
>>
>> --
>>
>> dadiOH
>> ____________________________
>>
>> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>> Get it athttp://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
> My initial setup was a 3/8"bit with a 5/8" guide in a template made
> using a 3/4" forstner bit, but the slop in the porter cable's plunge
> base produced crappy mortices, That is, an intended 1/2" mortice
> would actually end up at about 17/32" wide and slightly uneven,
> which in this project is unacceptable.
> The final setup I used the 1/2" bit so I would not need the radius
> on my template.
> This enabled me to glue up the template using several mdf blocks
> accurately cut to index both of the mortices the required distance
> from the top and bottom of doors and stiles.
> I started the thread hoping to get feedback on the overall accuracy
> of the Porter Cable 89* plunge base compared to other models. I
> wonder if this application is just too much to expect from any
> plunge based router.
I use two plunge routers...a Bosch 1611 1/2" and a Porter Cable base
for 890 routers used with an old Black & Decker/Dewalt 1/4" router
motor. I cut all manner of things with both and have not had any
problem with deflection.
--
dadiOH
____________________________
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...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
[email protected] wrote:
> I tried to use my Porter Cable 89* plunge router to make soss hinge
> mortices today, with very dissapointing results. I have alot of
> WWing experience (25+ years), but I do not have much experience
> with plunge routers. These results were totally unacceptable.
> Too much slop in the plunge base. These hinges are 1/2" X 2 3/8".
> I was using a 1/2" bit with a 3/4" guide in an mdf template.
> I ended up using the fixed base with the same template, plunging it
> farmer style. The 24 mortices came out perfect.
> I guess theres a reason the plunge base has been in a drawer the 2
> years Ive owned this tool. The horrid thing wont see daylight again
> for a long time in my shop.
It would have worked better with a 3/8" bit.
--
dadiOH
____________________________
dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico