RS

"Russ Stanton"

20/01/2009 10:28 PM

Dust Collector Bag

I have a Delta Dust Collector with a cloth filter bag and a plastic chip
collector bag.

When the chip collector bag gets full I empty it and also shake out the
cloth bag. Is there a better way to clean the cloth bag? Can they be
washed? How ofter should they be replaced?
Russ


This topic has 22 replies

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

27/01/2009 9:41 AM


"Robatoy" wrote

On Jan 27, 2:44 am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > And they can be colour coordinated. Could you ask for any more?
> > They'll match up lovely with my plaid Speedos
>
> You just had to go and put that image in my head didn't you?
>
> (must look away, must look away...... Arghggggggghhhhhhhh.........)

What??? You have something against plaid???
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hey, Nahm wears plaid!!


Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 6:17 PM


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=61951&cat=1,42363

> But you're right. Those wee ones are harder to get off than
> dogsnot off a screen door.

And they can be colour coordinated. Could you ask for any more?

Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

27/01/2009 2:44 AM


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > And they can be colour coordinated. Could you ask for any more?

> They'll match up lovely with my plaid Speedos

You just had to go and put that image in my head didn't you?

(must look away, must look away...... Arghggggggghhhhhhhh.........)

MD

Morris Dovey

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

25/01/2009 12:06 PM

mac davis wrote:

> I agree totally with the cyclone..
> Mine is a fiber 50 gal. drum with plywood lid and as long as I keep it less than
> 3/4 full, it pretty much traps everything but fine dust..

I have a second drum in the chain and it seems to catch the fine dust
really well. I've been using the double-barrel approach for over six
years now and the DC collection bag is still empty (now dirtier on the
outside than on the inside). :)

The DC itself is the cheap HF 1-1/2 hp unit and my lids are the larger
LV clear separator lids. Adding the second drum hasn't seemed to have
significantly reduced the suck power of the DC. I'm a happy camper.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

c

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

24/01/2009 11:15 PM

On Jan 20, 9:17=A0pm, tom <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 8:28 pm, "Russ Stanton" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I have a Delta Dust Collector with a cloth filter bag and a plastic chi=
p
> > collector bag.
>
> > When the chip collector bag gets full I empty it and also shake out the
> > cloth bag. Is there a better way to clean the cloth bag? =A0Can they be
> > washed? How ofter should they be replaced?
> > Russ
>
> Is the DC inside the shop, or outside? Except for emptying it when
> necessary, I'd leave the cloth bag alone, especially if it's inside
> the shop. The dust cake that develops helps to filter out a lot of the
> smaller particles of dust from the air exiting the DC bag. Sure, you
> can wash them, but why? I might replace the bag when my repairs start
> needing repairs, but that's me. Tom

I also have a Delta DC, and I added a cyclone lid to a 30 gallon
garbage can just before the DC input. The lid was about $30, same for
the metal can. I hardly ever empty the chip catcher at all, except
when I forget to empty the garbage can. That usually happens about
10 boards into a new project. Otherwise, I never touch the chip
collector, and I have not even looked at the bag in 2 years.


My guess is that unless the DC is not pumping air thru the bag, leave
it alone, the fine dust is just helping the filtering. Hope this
helps.....

Ww

WD

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 10:35 AM

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:47:41 -0500, "Russ Stanton" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>The Delta I have, that started this thread has three springy clips that hold
>the bag in place until you get the band clamp on the bag.
>
>I appreciate the other comments and will leave the upper bag alone when I
>empty the lower chip bag.
>
>I have often thought about using a cyclone but then I could not roll the
>Delta DC around my shop to get to various machines.

I have the same Delta DC and would like to keep the DC. However, I have a
problem other owners may encounter. When you attached the plastic bag to the
three clips and attached the steel band, the steel band does not seal the
plastic bag tightly. Fine dust escape from the unseal sections of the plastic
bag. If you tighten by adjusting the steel band, it will collapse the steel rim.
I too would like replacing the lower plastic bag with a more simple disposal
container, any suggest?

Thanks

md

mac davis

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 8:05 AM

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:47:41 -0500, "Russ Stanton" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>The Delta I have, that started this thread has three springy clips that hold
>the bag in place until you get the band clamp on the bag.
>
>I appreciate the other comments and will leave the upper bag alone when I
>empty the lower chip bag.
>
>I have often thought about using a cyclone but then I could not roll the
>Delta DC around my shop to get to various machines.

Might be easier to roll the cyclone around...
My barrel/drum is about 20 feet away from the DC..

I have a weird setup, I guess... The front wall of the shop has two large
windows with a 2' space between them, so I have the DC in one corner and the
cyclone in the other, near the lathes and bandsaw, to avoid blocking the
windows..


>"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Morris Dovey wrote:
>>
>>> mac davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree totally with the cyclone..
>>>> Mine is a fiber 50 gal. drum with plywood lid and as long as I keep it
>>>> less than 3/4 full, it pretty much traps everything but fine dust..
>>>
>>> I have a second drum in the chain and it seems to catch the fine dust
>>> really well. I've been using the double-barrel approach for over six
>>> years now and the DC collection bag is still empty (now dirtier on the
>>> outside than on the inside). :)
>>>
>>> The DC itself is the cheap HF 1-1/2 hp unit and my lids are the larger
>>> LV clear separator lids. Adding the second drum hasn't seemed to have
>>> significantly reduced the suck power of the DC. I'm a happy camper.
>>>
>>
>>
>> That sounds like a great idea. I really don't like having to empty the
>> bags, it always seems to require that third thumb to hold things in place.
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
>


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

27/01/2009 6:22 AM

On Jan 27, 2:44=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > And they can be colour coordinated. Could you ask for any more?
> > They'll match up lovely with my plaid Speedos
>
> You just had to go and put that image in my head didn't you?
>
> (must look away, must look away...... =A0 Arghggggggghhhhhhhh.........)

What??? You have something against plaid???

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 8:44 AM

On Jan 25, 10:58=A0pm, Jim Weisgram <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:01:46 -0700, Mark & Juanita
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Morris Dovey wrote:
>
> >> mac davis wrote:
>
> >>> I agree totally with the cyclone..
> >>> Mine is a fiber 50 gal. drum with plywood lid and as long as I keep i=
t
> >>> less than 3/4 full, it pretty much traps everything but fine dust..
>
> >> I have a second drum in the chain and it seems to catch the fine dust
> >> really well. I've been using the double-barrel approach for over six
> >> years now and the DC collection bag is still empty (now dirtier on the
> >> outside than on the inside). :)
>
> >> The DC itself is the cheap HF 1-1/2 hp unit and my lids are the larger
> >> LV clear separator lids. Adding the second drum hasn't seemed to have
> >> significantly reduced the suck power of the DC. I'm a happy camper.
>
> > =A0 That sounds like a great idea. =A0I really don't like having to emp=
ty the
> >bags, it always seems to require that third thumb to hold things in plac=
e.
>
> That, or get 3-4 3/4" rare earth magnets to stick over the bag to hold
> it in place while you put the strap on.

That, sir, is a tip I can use. Thank you!

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 11:42 AM

On Jan 26, 2:33=A0pm, Phisherman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:44:11 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jan 25, 10:58=A0pm, Jim Weisgram <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:01:46 -0700, Mark & Juanita
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >Morris Dovey wrote:
>
> >> >> mac davis wrote:
>
> >> >>> I agree totally with the cyclone..
> >> >>> Mine is a fiber 50 gal. drum with plywood lid and as long as I kee=
p it
> >> >>> less than 3/4 full, it pretty much traps everything but fine dust.=
.
>
> >> >> I have a second drum in the chain and it seems to catch the fine du=
st
> >> >> really well. I've been using the double-barrel approach for over si=
x
> >> >> years now and the DC collection bag is still empty (now dirtier on =
the
> >> >> outside than on the inside). :)
>
> >> >> The DC itself is the cheap HF 1-1/2 hp unit and my lids are the lar=
ger
> >> >> LV clear separator lids. Adding the second drum hasn't seemed to ha=
ve
> >> >> significantly reduced the suck power of the DC. I'm a happy camper.
>
> >> > =A0 That sounds like a great idea. =A0I really don't like having to =
empty the
> >> >bags, it always seems to require that third thumb to hold things in p=
lace.
>
> >> That, or get 3-4 3/4" rare earth magnets to stick over the bag to hold
> >> it in place while you put the strap on.
>
> >That, sir, is a tip I can use. Thank you!
>
> That is a good tip. =A0Last time I put the bag on the DC I could use an
> extra hand!

For sure. I love a good idea.. anybody's. <G>

md

mac davis

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 8:01 AM

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:06:01 -0600, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:

>mac davis wrote:
>
>> I agree totally with the cyclone..
>> Mine is a fiber 50 gal. drum with plywood lid and as long as I keep it less than
>> 3/4 full, it pretty much traps everything but fine dust..
>
>I have a second drum in the chain and it seems to catch the fine dust
>really well. I've been using the double-barrel approach for over six
>years now and the DC collection bag is still empty (now dirtier on the
>outside than on the inside). :)
>
>The DC itself is the cheap HF 1-1/2 hp unit and my lids are the larger
>LV clear separator lids. Adding the second drum hasn't seemed to have
>significantly reduced the suck power of the DC. I'm a happy camper.

Interesting idea, Morris, but not only overkill for my use (mostly turning) but
I can't spare the shop space.. There's just never is enough room, I guess..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

PB

Pat Barber

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

27/01/2009 4:15 PM

I should have mentioned that they are geared
toward the average kitchen.

Here is a more "macho" magnet.

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=44536&cat=1,42363

or

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=58750&cat=1,42363,42348&ap=1

and make your own snazzy handles.


Robatoy wrote:


> But you're right. Those wee ones are harder to get off than dogsnot
> off a screen door.
>

tt

tom

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

20/01/2009 8:17 PM

On Jan 20, 8:28 pm, "Russ Stanton" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have a Delta Dust Collector with a cloth filter bag and a plastic chip
> collector bag.
>
> When the chip collector bag gets full I empty it and also shake out the
> cloth bag. Is there a better way to clean the cloth bag? Can they be
> washed? How ofter should they be replaced?
> Russ

Is the DC inside the shop, or outside? Except for emptying it when
necessary, I'd leave the cloth bag alone, especially if it's inside
the shop. The dust cake that develops helps to filter out a lot of the
smaller particles of dust from the air exiting the DC bag. Sure, you
can wash them, but why? I might replace the bag when my repairs start
needing repairs, but that's me. Tom

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 3:05 PM

On Jan 26, 4:16=A0pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> I bought a bag full of magnets and I also use
> them to hold dc bags.
>
> Be aware that the rare earth guys are quite small
> and flat. They can be a real bear to peel off of
> a dc unit once they are in place.
>
> Here is a slightly better choice with a little
> handle...
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3D1&p=3D61951&cat=3D1,42363
>

Living LARGE.....<G>

But you're right. Those wee ones are harder to get off than dogsnot
off a screen door.

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 4:50 PM

On Jan 26, 6:17=A0pm, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3D1&p=3D61951&cat=3D1,42363
> > But you're right. Those wee ones are harder to get off than
> > dogsnot off a screen door.
>
> And they can be colour coordinated. Could you ask for any more?

They'll match up lovely with my plaid Speedos

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 12:34 PM

> I have the same Delta DC and would like to keep the DC. However, I have a
> problem other owners may encounter. When you attached the plastic bag to the
> three clips and attached the steel band, the steel band does not seal the
> plastic bag tightly. Fine dust escape from the unseal sections of the plastic
> bag. If you tighten by adjusting the steel band, it will collapse the steel rim.
> I too would like replacing the lower plastic bag with a more simple disposal
> container, any suggest?
>
> Thanks

Do you have any pictures, or could you point to some on the web?

Could it be as simple as applying some foam weather stripping around the
container?


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

RS

"Russ Stanton"

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 9:47 AM

The Delta I have, that started this thread has three springy clips that hold
the bag in place until you get the band clamp on the bag.

I appreciate the other comments and will leave the upper bag alone when I
empty the lower chip bag.

I have often thought about using a cyclone but then I could not roll the
Delta DC around my shop to get to various machines.
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>
>> mac davis wrote:
>>
>>> I agree totally with the cyclone..
>>> Mine is a fiber 50 gal. drum with plywood lid and as long as I keep it
>>> less than 3/4 full, it pretty much traps everything but fine dust..
>>
>> I have a second drum in the chain and it seems to catch the fine dust
>> really well. I've been using the double-barrel approach for over six
>> years now and the DC collection bag is still empty (now dirtier on the
>> outside than on the inside). :)
>>
>> The DC itself is the cheap HF 1-1/2 hp unit and my lids are the larger
>> LV clear separator lids. Adding the second drum hasn't seemed to have
>> significantly reduced the suck power of the DC. I'm a happy camper.
>>
>
>
> That sounds like a great idea. I really don't like having to empty the
> bags, it always seems to require that third thumb to hold things in place.
>
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

25/01/2009 3:01 PM

Morris Dovey wrote:

> mac davis wrote:
>
>> I agree totally with the cyclone..
>> Mine is a fiber 50 gal. drum with plywood lid and as long as I keep it
>> less than 3/4 full, it pretty much traps everything but fine dust..
>
> I have a second drum in the chain and it seems to catch the fine dust
> really well. I've been using the double-barrel approach for over six
> years now and the DC collection bag is still empty (now dirtier on the
> outside than on the inside). :)
>
> The DC itself is the cheap HF 1-1/2 hp unit and my lids are the larger
> LV clear separator lids. Adding the second drum hasn't seemed to have
> significantly reduced the suck power of the DC. I'm a happy camper.
>


That sounds like a great idea. I really don't like having to empty the
bags, it always seems to require that third thumb to hold things in place.


--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

JW

Jim Weisgram

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

25/01/2009 7:58 PM

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:01:46 -0700, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Morris Dovey wrote:
>
>> mac davis wrote:
>>
>>> I agree totally with the cyclone..
>>> Mine is a fiber 50 gal. drum with plywood lid and as long as I keep it
>>> less than 3/4 full, it pretty much traps everything but fine dust..
>>
>> I have a second drum in the chain and it seems to catch the fine dust
>> really well. I've been using the double-barrel approach for over six
>> years now and the DC collection bag is still empty (now dirtier on the
>> outside than on the inside). :)
>>
>> The DC itself is the cheap HF 1-1/2 hp unit and my lids are the larger
>> LV clear separator lids. Adding the second drum hasn't seemed to have
>> significantly reduced the suck power of the DC. I'm a happy camper.
>>
>
>
> That sounds like a great idea. I really don't like having to empty the
>bags, it always seems to require that third thumb to hold things in place.

That, or get 3-4 3/4" rare earth magnets to stick over the bag to hold
it in place while you put the strap on.

PB

Pat Barber

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 9:16 PM

I bought a bag full of magnets and I also use
them to hold dc bags.

Be aware that the rare earth guys are quite small
and flat. They can be a real bear to peel off of
a dc unit once they are in place.

Here is a slightly better choice with a little
handle...

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=61951&cat=1,42363


Robatoy wrote:

> That, sir, is a tip I can use. Thank you!

md

mac davis

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

25/01/2009 9:20 AM

On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:15:26 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote:
>I also have a Delta DC, and I added a cyclone lid to a 30 gallon
>garbage can just before the DC input. The lid was about $30, same for
>the metal can. I hardly ever empty the chip catcher at all, except
>when I forget to empty the garbage can. That usually happens about
>10 boards into a new project. Otherwise, I never touch the chip
>collector, and I have not even looked at the bag in 2 years.
>
>
>My guess is that unless the DC is not pumping air thru the bag, leave
>it alone, the fine dust is just helping the filtering. Hope this
>helps.....

I agree totally with the cyclone..
Mine is a fiber 50 gal. drum with plywood lid and as long as I keep it less than
3/4 full, it pretty much traps everything but fine dust..

Not sure about the Delta DC, but on my HF unit, the top bag deflates when the
power is cut, which seems to make what dust is coating the bag fall into the
bottom bag..
Moved to the new place in October of 06 and haven't had to empty the bag.. It
feels like it might have almost a pound of dust in it, though the cyclone barrel
gets emptied often..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "Russ Stanton" on 20/01/2009 10:28 PM

26/01/2009 2:33 PM

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:44:11 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jan 25, 10:58 pm, Jim Weisgram <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:01:46 -0700, Mark & Juanita
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Morris Dovey wrote:
>>
>> >> mac davis wrote:
>>
>> >>> I agree totally with the cyclone..
>> >>> Mine is a fiber 50 gal. drum with plywood lid and as long as I keep it
>> >>> less than 3/4 full, it pretty much traps everything but fine dust..
>>
>> >> I have a second drum in the chain and it seems to catch the fine dust
>> >> really well. I've been using the double-barrel approach for over six
>> >> years now and the DC collection bag is still empty (now dirtier on the
>> >> outside than on the inside). :)
>>
>> >> The DC itself is the cheap HF 1-1/2 hp unit and my lids are the larger
>> >> LV clear separator lids. Adding the second drum hasn't seemed to have
>> >> significantly reduced the suck power of the DC. I'm a happy camper.
>>
>> >   That sounds like a great idea.  I really don't like having to empty the
>> >bags, it always seems to require that third thumb to hold things in place.
>>
>> That, or get 3-4 3/4" rare earth magnets to stick over the bag to hold
>> it in place while you put the strap on.
>
>That, sir, is a tip I can use. Thank you!

That is a good tip. Last time I put the bag on the DC I could use an
extra hand!


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