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05/06/2005 11:54 AM

Picture Frame Mitres - Saw or Guillotine?

Guillotine or Manual Mitre Saw?
The guillotine is quicker. The mitre saw may need finishing with a 45
degree bench sander. What I am wondering is whether the eventual result
is the same? Although the pro framers may swear by the guillotine is
the work indistinguishable (in the right hands!) if it is done with a
mitre saw?

A Framer (Nearly)


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JB

"Jim Bailey"

in reply to [email protected] on 05/06/2005 11:54 AM

06/06/2005 11:42 AM

I looked at the sled and tried to get the PDF he's provided but it looks
like we must have overwhelmed his site. If anyone else got it, would you
mind posting it to the binaries group ? Or will this once again cause
'legal' problems ?

jim bailey

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Thanks everyone, plenty of food for thought there and nothing too
> expensive. I aleady have a ten inch hand plane for years.
> I had never heard of a mitre sled, so I looked up this site:Incredibly
> detailed plans:
> http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Paradise/2000/
>

mm

in reply to [email protected] on 05/06/2005 11:54 AM

05/06/2005 11:57 AM

I'm not a framer by any means, but I like using the guillotine to sneak
up on the perfect size. It's harder to take a 64th or so off with a
miter than with a guillotine.

f

in reply to [email protected] on 05/06/2005 11:54 AM

06/06/2005 12:46 AM

Thanks everyone, plenty of food for thought there and nothing too
expensive. I aleady have a ten inch hand plane for years.
I had never heard of a mitre sled, so I looked up this site:Incredibly
detailed plans:
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Paradise/2000/

Gg

"George"

in reply to [email protected] on 05/06/2005 11:54 AM

06/06/2005 7:37 AM


[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks everyone, plenty of food for thought there and nothing too
> expensive. I aleady have a ten inch hand plane for years.
> I had never heard of a mitre sled, so I looked up this site:Incredibly
> detailed plans:
> http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Paradise/2000/
>

Go with it. With a nice 80/90 tooth blade, it's as slick as the trimmer.
Difficult to hold anything near the precision with something that relies on
the hand not applying torque, like the miter saw.

Cc

"CW"

in reply to [email protected] on 05/06/2005 11:54 AM

06/06/2005 2:31 AM

A well designed miter sled for the table saw works great. Dead on angles and
to size every time.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Guillotine or Manual Mitre Saw?
> The guillotine is quicker. The mitre saw may need finishing with a 45
> degree bench sander. What I am wondering is whether the eventual result
> is the same? Although the pro framers may swear by the guillotine is
> the work indistinguishable (in the right hands!) if it is done with a
> mitre saw?
>
> A Framer (Nearly)
>

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to [email protected] on 05/06/2005 11:54 AM

06/06/2005 1:41 AM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Guillotine or Manual Mitre Saw?
> The guillotine is quicker. The mitre saw may need finishing with a 45
> degree bench sander. What I am wondering is whether the eventual result
> is the same? Although the pro framers may swear by the guillotine is
> the work indistinguishable (in the right hands!) if it is done with a
> mitre saw?
>
> A Framer (Nearly)

How about the miter saw and a shooting board and plane to sweeten the cuts
up?

I did a presentation of shooting boards at the Northeastern Woodworkers
Association's Showcase in April and it was well received. When Thomas
Lie-Nielson handed Chris Schwarz (Popular Woodworking) the new CD on
shooting boards I commented that I thought it was a great CD. They both
looked at me... Lie-Nielson asked "You've seen this, it's brand new?" I
responded that I saw it on his web site and ordered it about 10 days before.
;-) I told them both that I was demoing shooting boards in the Jigs and
Fixtures area... We all had a nice little discussion and I got to handle
Schwarz's new half-back saw. It was a surreal conversation. ;-) I think the
best line of the day though was when I guy said, "I met Bill Clinton last
week but I'm more impressed meeting you." This was directed towards
Lie-Nielson. ;-)

Anyhow, back to the shooting boards. If you've got a decent hand plane you
can easily sweeten up the miters. Generally, the wider the molding the
larger the plane you should use. This as you need the additional mass for
good momentum through the larger material. A side benefit is that you can
use the plane for something else while the guillotine is useful only for
sweetening.

John











Pg

Patriarch

in reply to [email protected] on 05/06/2005 11:54 AM

05/06/2005 6:13 PM

[email protected] wrote in news:1117997665.578825.66270
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

> Guillotine or Manual Mitre Saw?
> The guillotine is quicker. The mitre saw may need finishing with a 45
> degree bench sander. What I am wondering is whether the eventual result
> is the same? Although the pro framers may swear by the guillotine is
> the work indistinguishable (in the right hands!) if it is done with a
> mitre saw?
>
> A Framer (Nearly)
>

Both. The guillotine is a miter trimmer, to clean up after the saw.

They are a fine 'old school' tool, in the right hands.

Patriarch


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