No respect for for the line...

Be bold. Be daring.

Next time you have some cheap little trim piece to cut mark a pencil
line and learn to split the line with the saw blade. Cut on the waste
side for best results.

Once you have been successful once , the next time it is easier.

I'm with Robatoy. I use #2 pencils all the time for just about
everything. They are so cheap at the dollar store and when the back to
school sales go on that I stock up.

They have to be wood; NO plastic or composite. Must be #2, and I like
the round ones when I can find them but 'ol yeller works fine.

I keep a small pen knife that is razor sharp (aka: splinter removal
tool) for sharpening my pencils. If I need something hair fine, I put
that point on the pencil and usually get two marks out of it before
resharpening. Who cares if you burn a pencil or two a day?

I sounds like you just need more consistent practice and you will be
fine cutting your marks.

Robert

[email protected] wrote:
> I'm with Robatoy. I use #2 pencils all the time for just about
> everything. They are so cheap at the dollar store and when the back to
> school sales go on that I stock up.
>
> They have to be wood; NO plastic or composite. Must be #2, and I like
> the round ones when I can find them but 'ol yeller works fine.
>
> I keep a small pen knife that is razor sharp (aka: splinter removal
> tool) for sharpening my pencils. If I need something hair fine, I put
> that point on the pencil and usually get two marks out of it before
> resharpening. Who cares if you burn a pencil or two a day?
>
> I sounds like you just need more consistent practice and you will be
> fine cutting your marks.
>
> Robert

I'm sympathetic to the esthetic appeal of using a real wood pencil, but
I've become quite fond of using a cheap (few dollars for a dozen) .5 mm
mechanical pencil. It stays sharp all the time and marks a fairly fine
line. Yes, you'll break the lead frequently, but you can feed more out
with one hand and keep going.

I use a .7mm when I don't need the precision. It doesn't break as
easily.

The downside, I can't get one to stay on my ear!

Tom

Chris wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Lou,
> >>Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
> >>do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
> >>through.
> >>
> >>Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should
> >>not
> >>be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
> >>pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
> >>from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession.
> >
> > www.dictionary.com:
> >
> >
> > 3 entries found for precession.

...snip definitions of precession and precision....


> >
> Anything useful to contribute? Or do you get your rocks off finding typos /
> spell checking errors?
>
> --
> Chris
>
> If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
> soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.




well, considering your sig line, I couldn't pass it up. and considerion
that precision and precession both have relevance to metalworkers, it
is relevant to your post.

do I have anything useful to contribute? do you?

Robatoy wrote:
[snip]
> Steve Vai, Al DeMeola. Gary Moore, Jeff Beck are all in my collection.
> Satriani is only mildly entertaining.
> Pete Townsend is entertaining, and The Who the best
> damned rock-band that ever lived.
> That leaves us with Ry Cooder, SRV, etc.
> Some of my favourites include Peter Green and Brian May.
>
> Most highly overrated:
>
> The Edge.."THE Edge"... of U-2 and that asshole from Metallica.

Jeez Robatoy, you really shouldn't equivocate so much. LOL. ;-)
And anyway nobody has mentioned Keith Richards, Merle Travis, Chet
Atkins, etc. Oh and in case there is somebody out there that doesn't
recognize the "Clapton is god" reference, it was probably the most
recognizable bit of grafitti in London in the early 70s. Layla rules.
mahalo,
jo4hn

Never could understand how Dad couldn't like the music of the swing
era and Benny Goodman and others!

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:33:50 -0400, Dave Hall <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:17:41 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> The downside, I can't get one to stay on my ear!
>>
>>Got to hate it when looking up to mark a small piece of crown moulding
>>and have the damn pencil slide off you ear, eh?
>>
>>I believe God gave us ears for safety-glasses, cool shades..and
>>pencils..NOT to listen to rap.
>
>Yeah, I believe the same about rap... and every time I think about it
>or say it, I suddenly hear my dad saying "That ain't music, it's just
>noise" when I was a teen listening to CCR or Buffalo Springfield,
>etc., etc.
>Dave Hall
>
>"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who
>have not got it." -- G.B. Shaw

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:

> Clapton is god.

No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:15:18 -0700, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 14 Sep 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Clapton is god.
>>
>>No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.
>
> no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.

Yngwie is a plagiarist? And, by your logic, God is dead, right?

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:30:48 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:15:18 -0700, [email protected] <[email protected]>
>> wrote:

>> > no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.
>>
>> Yngwie is a plagiarist? And, by your logic, God is dead, right?
>
> Yngwie ripped off Nicolo Paganini's caprices and violin concertos.

Not to mention...damn. What are those guitar exercises really called?
I always called them "The Arpeggios from Hell" but was regularly
corrected. Some Italian guy from the 17th century or so...

> If you even hear them back to back, your chin will drop.

Maybe Paganini was reading from the same Arpeggios book?

> That's not to say that Malmsteen doesn't have amazing technique, he has
> to have to play stuff like caprice # 5... but he is a plagiarist....IF
> he claims to have written any of that baroque stuff he plays....

Note that I also didn't take exception to the "pretentious" part. I
mean, he's not nearly as bad as that guy from U2, but he certainly has
an ego.

Damn fast fingers, though. Oy - this is interesting:

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/l/li/list_of_popular_songs_based_on_classical_music.htm
(mind the wrap)

Some of these are blisteringly freaking obvious, like "Hall of the
mountain king" (the who, 1968) was inspired by the Peer Gynt Suite. No
shit? Whooda thunkit? But yeah, some of them are surprising. Oh, and
Yngwie is in there...

Anyone remember the guitar exercises I'm trying to think of the name
for?

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:36:59 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, jo4hn <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Oh and in case there is somebody out there that doesn't
>> recognize the "Clapton is god" reference, it was probably the most
>> recognizable bit of grafitti in London in the early 70s.
>
> I was in London in the 70's on a couple of occasion, but please don't
> ask me to remember too much... some of that fog got stuck in my brain.
> Damn pollution.

Some sort of smoke, was it?

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:11:53 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:36:59 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > I was in London in the 70's on a couple of occasion, but please don't
>> > ask me to remember too much... some of that fog got stuck in my brain.
>> > Damn pollution.

>> Some sort of smoke, was it?

> It was one of those rare occasions that the wind was coming from the
> East...... over Amsterdam, unfiltered.

And, you...weren't over there, um, "window shopping", right?

Dog is god (and my co pilot!)
max

> On 14 Sep 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Clapton is god.
>>
>> No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.
>
>
> no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.

Robatoy wrote:[snip]> Buffalo Springfield was way up on my list in those
days. Their music
> still appeals to me.
> CCR, on the other hand, is a different story. Not their fault. But so
> many really bad bar-bands butchered Proud Mary etc., that I couldn't
> even stand the opening chord of any CCR after a while. A total burn-out.
> Besides, my head made a left turn in there somewhere and started
> listening to The Doors, Hendrix, Who.... that kinda stuff.
>
> Now back to our regular programming.

Clapton is god.

Well at least you don't cut too much off.

"loutent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:130920052032242993%[email protected]...
> Hi all,
>
> This has always bothered me (anal as I am).
>
> Whenever I trace/draw a pencil line on a piece to
> be cut, I never have confidence in it. If I am doing
> (say) crown moulding, I will hold a piece up there
> and mark a line. I never/seldom actually believe in
> the line I just marked - I will allow an extra 1/4.
> It is never correct. Then I step down off of the 8 ft
> ladder and cut again. Now it's only 3/32 off. Down again,
> back to the MS to trim "a hair".
>
> Still doesn't fit right.
>
> OK, another hair...then another....
>
> It's kind of funny every time I think about it.
>
> Next time, I use a sharper pencil.
>
> I "mark" the line, but I don't "respect" the
> line (I know it's a Seinfeld thing).
>
> I've been a hobbyist for near 20 years now.
>
> Still no respect for the line.
>
> Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will
> I respect that any more?
>
> Thank the Lord I don't have to do this for a living!
>
> Lou

Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:15:18 -0700, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 14 Sep 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Clapton is god.
>>>
>>>No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.
>>
>>no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.
>
>
> Yngwie is a plagiarist? And, by your logic, God is dead, right?
No, Zappa is dead. God is still God ...

loutent (in 130920052032242993%[email protected]) said:

| Still no respect for the line.
|
| Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will
| I respect that any more?

Well, if you use a knife you might as well cut to the mark since it
can't be erased. Challenge yourself to make every saw kerf remove just
the waste side of the mark - it's possible, but not as easy as it
sounds (pencil lines and laser guides will suddenly look fat and
crude).

Don't buy one of the Lee Valley French-made ebony-handled marking
knives! I bought one and it's absolutely useless. It's so beautiful
that I just can't bring myself to actually use it - I use my old
pocket knife instead.

FWIW, being AR might be an asset when your goal is a fine, exact fit.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:17:41 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> The downside, I can't get one to stay on my ear!
>
>Got to hate it when looking up to mark a small piece of crown moulding
>and have the damn pencil slide off you ear, eh?
>
>I believe God gave us ears for safety-glasses, cool shades..and
>pencils..NOT to listen to rap.

Yeah, I believe the same about rap... and every time I think about it
or say it, I suddenly hear my dad saying "That ain't music, it's just
noise" when I was a teen listening to CCR or Buffalo Springfield,
etc., etc.
Dave Hall

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who
have not got it." -- G.B. Shaw

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Lou,
>Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
>do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
>through.
>
>Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should not
>be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
>pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
>from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession.

www.dictionary.com:


3 entries found for precession.
1. The act or state of preceding; precedence.
2. Physics. The motion of the axis of a spinning body, such as the
wobble of a spinning top, when there is an external force acting on
the axis.
3. Astronomy.
1. Precession of the equinoxes.
2. A slow gyration of the earth's axis around the pole of the
ecliptic, caused mainly by the gravitational pull of the sun, moon,
and other planets on the earth's equatorial bulge.




4 entries found for precision.
1. The state or quality of being precise; exactness.
2.
1. The ability of a measurement to be consistently
reproduced.
2. The number of significant digits to which a value has been
reliably measured.


adj.

1. Used or intended for accurate or exact measurement: a precision
tool.
2. Made so as to vary minimally from a set standard: precision
components.
3. Of or characterized by accurate action: precision bombing.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:32:24 -0400, loutent <[email protected]> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>This has always bothered me (anal as I am).
>
>Whenever I trace/draw a pencil line on a piece to
>be cut, I never have confidence in it.

....snip....

>no respect for the line.
>
>Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will
>I respect that any more?

you'll have to. the knife has already started the cut for you....

In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hall <[email protected]> wrote:

[schnippered]
>
> Yeah, I believe the same about rap...

Actually, it must be very difficult to spew that much bullshit in 3
minutes and have people actually buy it.

>and every time I think about it
> or say it, I suddenly hear my dad saying "That ain't music, it's just
> noise" when I was a teen listening to CCR or Buffalo Springfield,
> etc., etc.

Buffalo Springfield was way up on my list in those days. Their music
still appeals to me.
CCR, on the other hand, is a different story. Not their fault. But so
many really bad bar-bands butchered Proud Mary etc., that I couldn't
even stand the opening chord of any CCR after a while. A total burn-out.
Besides, my head made a left turn in there somewhere and started
listening to The Doors, Hendrix, Who.... that kinda stuff.

Now back to our regular programming.

In article <[email protected]>,
Lee DeRaud <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:13:38 +0100, Andy Dingley
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Clapton is god.
> >
> >Clapton just _thinks_ he's God. And his output from the mid-70s
> >onwards was no comparison to Cream.
> >
> >Gilmour OTOH is still knocking it out as well as ever.
> >
> >But then Hendrix not only did it, he invented it.
>
> Hendrix is god...and Satriani is his prophet.
>
> Lee

Steve Vai, Al DeMeola. Gary Moore, Jeff Beck are all in my collection.
Satriani is only mildly entertaining.
Pete Townsend is entertaining, and The Who the best
damned rock-band that ever lived.
That leaves us with Ry Cooder, SRV, etc.
Some of my favourites include Peter Green and Brian May.

Most highly overrated:

The Edge.."THE Edge"... of U-2 and that asshole from Metallica.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:

> (pencil lines and laser guides will suddenly look fat and
> crude).

I'm always game for a new toy, but other than a rotating laser level to
install a counter, cabinets or wainscoting, I have found lasers on mitre
saws a complete waste of time. The lighter the colour of the wood, the
fatter the line. Useless.
I always have a proper Staedtler pencil sharpener in my pocket. I use 2H
pencils to mark my line and I get good results. I only go up and down
that ladder 2 or 3 times, as opposed to the usual 6 or 7.

When the weather cools off, I sometimes use a mechanical pencil as I
then have a pocket for it. In summer, the lighter wooden pencil lives on
my ear.
So much so, that when I'm on the phone, and somebody wants to leave me a
number, I reach for my ear...even though there may not be a pencil
there...much to the entertainment of my daughter.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> The downside, I can't get one to stay on my ear!

Got to hate it when looking up to mark a small piece of crown moulding
and have the damn pencil slide off you ear, eh?

I believe God gave us ears for safety-glasses, cool shades..and
pencils..NOT to listen to rap.

In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:15:18 -0700, [email protected] <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > On 14 Sep 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Clapton is god.
> >>
> >>No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.
> >
> > no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.
>
> Yngwie is a plagiarist? And, by your logic, God is dead, right?

Yngwie ripped off Nicolo Paganini's caprices and violin concertos.
If you even hear them back to back, your chin will drop.
That's not to say that Malmsteen doesn't have amazing technique, he has
to have to play stuff like caprice # 5... but he is a plagiarist....IF
he claims to have written any of that baroque stuff he plays....

In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:11:53 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:36:59 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I was in London in the 70's on a couple of occasion, but please don't
> >> > ask me to remember too much... some of that fog got stuck in my brain.
> >> > Damn pollution.
>
> >> Some sort of smoke, was it?
>
> > It was one of those rare occasions that the wind was coming from the
> > East...... over Amsterdam, unfiltered.
>
> And, you...weren't over there, um, "window shopping", right?

Right. But then again... whether we want to admit it or not.. we ALL pay
for it somehow, one way or another. :->

In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:36:59 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, jo4hn <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Oh and in case there is somebody out there that doesn't
> >> recognize the "Clapton is god" reference, it was probably the most
> >> recognizable bit of grafitti in London in the early 70s.
> >
> > I was in London in the 70's on a couple of occasion, but please don't
> > ask me to remember too much... some of that fog got stuck in my brain.
> > Damn pollution.
>
> Some sort of smoke, was it?

It was one of those rare occasions that the wind was coming from the
East...... over Amsterdam, unfiltered.

In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Clapton is god.
>
> No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.

Clapton is highly overrated... IMHO.
Cream was cool...Clapton got to be a bit of a bore.

BUT!

Live in Hyde Park is one of my absolute favourite DVD's (Gadd on
drums....YES!!)

Hell... it's all good when it sounds good...cuz if it sounds good, it
*IS* good. (I think Glen Miller said that.)

I have to confess to be a bit of a Joe Walsh fan...hehehehe...

In article <[email protected]>, jo4hn <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Oh and in case there is somebody out there that doesn't
> recognize the "Clapton is god" reference, it was probably the most
> recognizable bit of grafitti in London in the early 70s.

I was in London in the 70's on a couple of occasion, but please don't
ask me to remember too much... some of that fog got stuck in my brain.
Damn pollution.

On 14/09/2005 10:17 AM, Robatoy wrote:

> Got to hate it when looking up to mark a small piece of crown moulding
> and have the damn pencil slide off you ear, eh?
>
> I believe God gave us ears for safety-glasses, cool shades..and
> pencils..NOT to listen to rap.

Actually, God gave us nearsightedness so that we'd have to wear glasses
behind which we could stick a pencil. It must be my ears, but I find
that the glasses work *way* better.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:23:22 -0400, Dave Hall <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 14 Sep 2005 10:35:27 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>>Chris wrote:
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Lou,
>>> >>Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
>>> >>do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
>>> >>through.
>>> >>
>>> >>Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should
>>> >>not
>>> >>be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
>>> >>pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
>>> >>from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession.
>>> >
>>> > www.dictionary.com:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 3 entries found for precession.
>>
>>...snip definitions of precession and precision....
>>
>>
>>> >
>>> Anything useful to contribute? Or do you get your rocks off finding typos /
>>> spell checking errors?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
>>> soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>well, considering your sig line, I couldn't pass it up. and considerion
>>that precision and precession both have relevance to metalworkers, it
>>is relevant to your post.
>>
>>do I have anything useful to contribute? do you?
>
> Not really other than to ask what "considerion" means. Neither
>www.dictionary.com nor my F&W lists it ;-)
>
>Dave Hall

hee hee...
thanks. I guess I had that coming....

: )

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:

>Clapton is god.

Clapton just _thinks_ he's God. And his output from the mid-70s
onwards was no comparison to Cream.

Gilmour OTOH is still knocking it out as well as ever.

But then Hendrix not only did it, he invented it.

On 14 Sep 2005 10:35:27 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>
>Chris wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Lou,
>> >>Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
>> >>do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
>> >>through.
>> >>
>> >>Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should
>> >>not
>> >>be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
>> >>pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
>> >>from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession.
>> >
>> > www.dictionary.com:
>> >
>> >
>> > 3 entries found for precession.
>
>...snip definitions of precession and precision....
>
>
>> >
>> Anything useful to contribute? Or do you get your rocks off finding typos /
>> spell checking errors?
>>
>> --
>> Chris
>>
>> If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
>> soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.
>
>
>
>
>well, considering your sig line, I couldn't pass it up. and considerion
>that precision and precession both have relevance to metalworkers, it
>is relevant to your post.
>
>do I have anything useful to contribute? do you?

Not really other than to ask what "considerion" means. Neither
www.dictionary.com nor my F&W lists it ;-)

Dave Hall

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who
have not got it." -- G.B. Shaw

On 14 Sep 2005 20:46:23 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Clapton is god.
>
>No, Yngwie is God. Clapton is just really, really, really good.


no, yngwie is a pretentious plagiarist. Zappa is god.

"loutent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:130920052032242993%[email protected]...
> Hi all,
>
> This has always bothered me (anal as I am).
>
> Whenever I trace/draw a pencil line on a piece to
> be cut, I never have confidence in it. If I am doing
> (say) crown moulding, I will hold a piece up there
> and mark a line. I never/seldom actually believe in
> the line I just marked - I will allow an extra 1/4.
> It is never correct. Then I step down off of the 8 ft
> ladder and cut again. Now it's only 3/32 off. Down again,
> back to the MS to trim "a hair".
>
> Still doesn't fit right.
>
> OK, another hair...then another....
>
> It's kind of funny every time I think about it.
>
> Next time, I use a sharper pencil.
>
> I "mark" the line, but I don't "respect" the
> line (I know it's a Seinfeld thing).
>
> I've been a hobbyist for near 20 years now.
>
> Still no respect for the line.
>
> Maybe its time for a marking knife...but will
> I respect that any more?
>


Lou,
Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
through.

Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should not
be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession. If not that, a
mechanical pencil will work just as well. Lot easier to sharpen too.


--
Chris

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soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0400, "Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Lou,
>>Your sage is not uncommon for someone who does it for a living. I used to
>>do finish work for a living and understand exactly what you are going
>>through.
>>
>>Even more so with crown moldings as they are expensive and joints should
>>not
>>be a option if you cut short. As of late I have been using a carbide
>>pointed pen. Little harder to see, but a lot thinner line. Learned this
>>from the metal workers, who deal in a lot higher precession.
>
> www.dictionary.com:
>
>
> 3 entries found for precession.
> 1. The act or state of preceding; precedence.
> 2. Physics. The motion of the axis of a spinning body, such as the
> wobble of a spinning top, when there is an external force acting on
> the axis.
> 3. Astronomy.
> 1. Precession of the equinoxes.
> 2. A slow gyration of the earth's axis around the pole of the
> ecliptic, caused mainly by the gravitational pull of the sun, moon,
> and other planets on the earth's equatorial bulge.
>
>
>
>
> 4 entries found for precision.
> 1. The state or quality of being precise; exactness.
> 2.
> 1. The ability of a measurement to be consistently
> reproduced.
> 2. The number of significant digits to which a value has been
> reliably measured.
>
>
> adj.
>
> 1. Used or intended for accurate or exact measurement: a precision
> tool.
> 2. Made so as to vary minimally from a set standard: precision
> components.
> 3. Of or characterized by accurate action: precision bombing.
>
>
Anything useful to contribute? Or do you get your rocks off finding typos /
spell checking errors?

--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:13:38 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0700, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Clapton is god.
>
>Clapton just _thinks_ he's God. And his output from the mid-70s
>onwards was no comparison to Cream.
>
>Gilmour OTOH is still knocking it out as well as ever.
>
>But then Hendrix not only did it, he invented it.

Hendrix is god...and Satriani is his prophet.

Lee