Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to hear
from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru it)
about what they would love to see/have in their shop. What pitfalls others
have been thru. What "DOH"s people have been thru when its finally done.
(Its done and you say DOH how did I miss that)
Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This is
pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot bigger -
b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love a
woman like that!
Thanks
-Rob
Rob V wrote:
> Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like
> to hear from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they
> can go thru it) about what they would love to see/have in their shop.
<g> I'd like to build a shop that borrows a lot of ideas from Tom Plamann's:
http://plamann.com/sys-tmpl/door/
-- Mark
Jerry Gilreath wrote:
> I was getting ready to say, damn, 4x8 sanding table???? Sounds like
> you got the setup going on! Reason I was asking, I was thinking along
> the same lines of using an old furnace fan for doing the same thing.
> Where you got it going to? Outside? What did you use for piping and
> such? Maybe combing your setup and my idea, I could incorporate it
> into my little ole shop. I don't have much head room, so hanging a
> factory made one is outta the question. Guess I could loose some
> bench space, but man, it's at a premium.
It's a standalone, roll around unit based on an old furnace fan. I'll try
to put some pictures in abpw.
-- Mark
In article <[email protected]>, "Rob V"
<[email protected]> writes:
>Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to hear
>from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru it)
>about what they would love to see/have in their shop. What pitfalls others
>have been thru. What "DOH"s people have been thru when its finally done.
>(Its done and you say DOH how did I miss that)
>
>Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This is
>pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
>
>My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot bigger -
>b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love a
>woman like that!
Rob,
You didn't say if you were building a stand alone or attached. We've just moved
and I am in the same process. My last shop was in a 2 car garage and worked for
me but was quickly to small. I have found a company that is known nationally.
Their name is Morton Buildings. Here is a link. http://www.mortonbuildings.com/
They are located in 3 cities in North Carolina: Lexington, Fletcher and
Wilson. Around here in Lexington Kentucky they are one of the premiere barn and
arena builders don't know if any of them are close to you but you should look
them up. Around here the will build a 30 X 65 metal shed/barn for $26.00 sq.
ft. I posted this earlier but it has 6 windows, 3 walk-in doors, 1 - 9 X 12
roll up door, 1 - 9 X 12 sliding door, concrete slab, fully insulated with R38
in attic and R19 in walls, wood paneling 8 feet up from floor and metal the
rest of the way up to the 12 foot ceilings, 200 amp electric panel with all
electric run, and a roughed in sewer and water. This company will build any
size shed you want but I don't know what it does to cost. You might check with
them.
I agree with everything that has been said except having all my tools on a
second floor. Getting the raw wood up there would be a PITA in less you are
doing small projects and you cut the wood down to smaller sizes before they go
up the stairs. I deal with 4 X 8 sheets of plywood by myself and would not want
to be walking up a flight of stairs with them. You should do a Google search
about suggestions because this has been discussed many times here nevertheless
here are my suggestions.
Wood floors are gentle on dropped tools and legs. But I've worked on cement
floors all my life and have not suffered from it. If you have the shop build on
some kind of crawl space it does make it convenient to run your dust collector
and compressed air plumbing. But remember change is a bitch after you've
punched holes into the flooring.
Roy
Rob V wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions.
>
> Right now the plan is to have it a slab and 10' ceilings.
> I really want a wood floor - I was thinking of just putting down some 2x4
> overlaid w/ ply.
> I think that should work ok. The DC ductwork will be run on the ceiling.
> and I figure w/ 2x4 Im only losing about 4" of headroom. Plus it will let
> me run outlets to where I need them.
>
> I really like the idea of the 4plugs @ 6' + the 240. I think im going to do
> that.
>
> Lights is going to be the major thing. Im thinking about 2 rows of 8' or 4
> rows of 4' lights - not really sure yet.
>
> The plans right now call for 2 windows in the front w/ transoms running
> along the rest of the shop at just below ceiling level. Im actually
> thinking about adding a few solor tubes as well.
> (My dad has a few in his house - and they really work well)
>
> Alot is going to have todo w/ the cost to get the thing up. I have 4
> builders bidding on it - so hopefully should have prices by next week. My
> plan is to have the build it and stub out the electrical and plumming. I
> plan on doing all the interior myself.
>
> Thanks again for the suggestions.
> (Keep them comming)
>
> Rob
>
> "Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to
> hear
> > from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru
> it)
> > about what they would love to see/have in their shop. What pitfalls
> others
> > have been thru. What "DOH"s people have been thru when its finally done.
> > (Its done and you say DOH how did I miss that)
> >
> > Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This
> is
> > pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
> >
> > My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot bigger -
> > b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love a
> > woman like that!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
Missed the original post, what are the perimeter measurements?
Scott
--
An unkind remark is like a killing frost. No matter how much it warms
up later, the damage remains.
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:49:39 GMT, "Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Thanks again for the suggestions.
>(Keep them comming)
Rob,
I let this ferment a bit - its more of a shop layout than a what to
include list. It suits me....and how did the bids turn out?
if'n I get my druthers........
Ever changing but soon, with a new house:
About 18x24 enclosed max.
Concrete slab floors - dead flat & level - really irritating to have a
bench wobble or a piece of equipment on a mobile base hang up while
moving. And it is needed for projects to be reliably assembled on the
floor. Floor mats where usable.
Across the 18 ft south end (south/north etc. for labeling purposes)
one or two roll-up doors and a 12 ft lean-to w/concrete floor - I
figure I have maybe three small boats in me and will build them under
the lean-to. I'm still working on a handy way to enclose the lean-to
in easy to move plastic for winter days to keep out the cold or screen
for summer evenings to keep out the mosquitoes. Rolling panels I
suspect. My sawdust/chip generating power tools are on mobile bases so
the roll-ups on that end will allow me extra feed space when needed
and a clear path to the outside for me to use one of my most important
shop tools - my leafblower.
A small lean-to on the west side of the building will serve to air dry
wood.
The 24 ft. west wall will be finished to hang tools, clamps & oft
needed stuff. At the center of the north end will be a 6 x 6 ft.
assembly & general work table. In my HS shop class we had several
square work tables that accommodated 4 knuckleheaded teens wonderfully
and I think I could use at least one. I suffer now from no really good
centrally located assembly/puttering around bench. That's essential.
The workbench for working with hand planes, the computer & books will
be on the northeast side & shelving will be across the north end. Lots
of electrical drops from the ceiling. Still trying to sort out an
exhaust system.
Lastly I'll need a small cooler to hold the evening's sundowner, a
comfortable chair and the best view possible out of the roll-up doors.
Kiyu
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"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to hear
> from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru it)
> about what they would love to see/have in their shop. What pitfalls others
> have been thru. What "DOH"s people have been thru when its finally done.
> (Its done and you say DOH how did I miss that)
>
> Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This is
> pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
>
> My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot bigger -
> b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love a
> woman like that!
>
> Thanks
>
> -Rob
Rob,I built my shop 3 years ago. There is not much I would do
different if I had to do it again.The shop is 20x30 ( code
restrictions prevented me from making it larger) with a wood floor
over a crawlspace. 8-0 ceilings with a 10" pitch roof gives me a large
loft area for storage.Plenty of outlets along walls, one overhead at
bench, one 220 volt floor receptacle for tablesaw, one 120 volt floor
recptacle for jointer. I used engineered joists and advantec floor
sheathing. Walls are sheathed inside and outside with OSB, floors and
walls insulated. Nine windows and double doors downstairs, two windows
in the loft.The only thing that I regretted was the pulldown stairs to
the loft. The stairs are too narrow and unsafe if carrying material. I
eventually took them out, rebuilt the opening and the stairs for a 3-0
set of heavyduty stairs that fold up like the original.
Good luck with your new shop, Mike
On 5 Dec 2003 12:38:31 -0800, [email protected] (Charles
Erskine) wrote:
>Some ideas:
>
>A bench area with lots of north light, maybe even a drafting table.
>A little loading dock the same height as your utility trailer bed.
>Interior walls faced with shiplap pine or similar, so you can hang
>tools, wood, etc. anywhere.
>An exhaust fan with self-operating louvers.
>A way to shut off and lock off ALL electric power except the heat/AC
>and overhead lights.
>An separate underground conduit to the house for telephone, and big
>enough to add cable TV, computer network cabling, etc. in the future.
>Overhanging eaves for drying wood outside.
>A small wood stove.
Excellent ideas. I planned for the wood stove and wired for an exhaust
fan (but don't have one yet). The conduit for phone etc. is something
I'm going to wish I had done. Hard to change now because it is a
concrete slab floor. The power cable conduit is large enough, but I
doubt that cat5-e will work in with the main power feed. I plan to do
part of my walls with plywood blows to give the "hang anywhere"
capability. On the rest I'm going to make continuous cleats as shown
in one of the recent WW magazines. I'm getting cabinets by scrounging
old kitchen cabs from remodel jobs. It pays to have friends in the
trade!
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:18:48 GMT, "Bob G" <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:
>As you know I play with cars so MY shop is located upstairs ...over one of
>the garages...
>
> WHAT A PAIN !
>
>Wish I had a freight elavator ...
You could always put in a 4-mile long ramp up to the shop.
(That would be ADA approved, y'know.)
>The dust collection solution is, as you say, much easier...
Without a doubt.
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Some ideas:
A bench area with lots of north light, maybe even a drafting table.
A little loading dock the same height as your utility trailer bed.
Interior walls faced with shiplap pine or similar, so you can hang
tools, wood, etc. anywhere.
An exhaust fan with self-operating louvers.
A way to shut off and lock off ALL electric power except the heat/AC
and overhead lights.
An separate underground conduit to the house for telephone, and big
enough to add cable TV, computer network cabling, etc. in the future.
Overhanging eaves for drying wood outside.
A small wood stove.
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to hear
> from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru it)
> about what they would love to see/have in their shop. What pitfalls others
> have been thru. What "DOH"s people have been thru when its finally done.
> (Its done and you say DOH how did I miss that)
>
> Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This is
> pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
>
> My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot bigger -
> b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love a
> woman like that!
>
> Thanks
>
> -Rob
Mark Jerde wrote:
> Wood is nicer to stand on than concrete, so I'd have a two-level
> dream shop. The cyclone dust collector would be on the ground floor
> and all the tools would be on the 2nd floor. It would be easy to
> poke holes in the floor wherever necessary to connect tools to the
> dust collector & power.
Naturally, the house and shop are on the top of a gently sloped hill with a
breathtaking view of the countryside. ;-) Both floors of the shop are
walk-in. The floor of the 2nd story is similar to the raised floor of
computer rooms. If I want to move the table saw, the floor panel with
cutouts for dust collection and power can be moved too. If a tool like a
shaper throws a lot of dust that isn't caught by dust collection, the floor
panel where the dust settles would have holes in it like a sheet of pegboard
and would be part of that machine's dust collection.
There is a built in sprinkler system and several fire extinguishers. Each
floor has a first aid kit and several panic buttons that ring a bell in the
house and/or dial an emergency number.
The bathroom in the corner has a handicapped toilet. I'm 6'2" and I hate
the modern, itsy-bitsy thrones.
The office in another corner has a large window looking out at the rest of
the shop. The computer in the office has one monitor as a projector on a
wall of the shop. A 2nd mouse and keyboard in the shop lets me use the
computer from the shop.
-- Mark
Mark,
Do you have a squirrel cage setup? Or do you have the regular air
filtration?
--
This space for rent.
Jerry© The Phoneman®
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rob V wrote:
>
> > Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget.
> > This is pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
>
> Built-in air filtration so I don't have to have several of these hanging
> around the shop.
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=G5955
>
> Squirrel cage fan larger than necessary running slower to reduce noise,
easy
> to change filters, easy to clean ducting.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
"Rob V" writes:
> Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to
hear
> from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru
it)
> about what they would love to see/have in their shop.
<snip>
The answer to your question is very much weather dependant.
Where are you located?
--
Lew
S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures
Not to worry about cat 5e, just go either fiber in the electric conduit, or
wireless! I'm running fiber with a digi box on both ends going to a 24 port
hub in the house and a 16 port in the garage. Cat 5 to the shop.
--
This space for rent.
Jerry© The Phoneman®
"Tim Douglass" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 5 Dec 2003 12:38:31 -0800, [email protected] (Charles
> Erskine) wrote:
>
> >Some ideas:
> >
> >A bench area with lots of north light, maybe even a drafting table.
> >A little loading dock the same height as your utility trailer bed.
> >Interior walls faced with shiplap pine or similar, so you can hang
> >tools, wood, etc. anywhere.
> >An exhaust fan with self-operating louvers.
> >A way to shut off and lock off ALL electric power except the heat/AC
> >and overhead lights.
> >An separate underground conduit to the house for telephone, and big
> >enough to add cable TV, computer network cabling, etc. in the future.
> >Overhanging eaves for drying wood outside.
> >A small wood stove.
>
> Excellent ideas. I planned for the wood stove and wired for an exhaust
> fan (but don't have one yet). The conduit for phone etc. is something
> I'm going to wish I had done. Hard to change now because it is a
> concrete slab floor. The power cable conduit is large enough, but I
> doubt that cat5-e will work in with the main power feed. I plan to do
> part of my walls with plywood blows to give the "hang anywhere"
> capability. On the rest I'm going to make continuous cleats as shown
> in one of the recent WW magazines. I'm getting cabinets by scrounging
> old kitchen cabs from remodel jobs. It pays to have friends in the
> trade!
>
> Tim Douglass
>
> http://www.DouglassClan.com
Fuquay Varina - North Carolina
(just south of raleigh)
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rob V" writes:
> > Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to
> hear
> > from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru
> it)
> > about what they would love to see/have in their shop.
> <snip>
>
> The answer to your question is very much weather dependant.
>
> Where are you located?
>
>
> --
> Lew
>
> S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the
Southland)
> Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures
>
>
and one more area to store materials...
dave
Silvan wrote:
snip
> I'd really love to have room for three separate areas. One with a good
> joiner's bench for hand planing and joinery. Another with a good bench for
> assembly and clamping. Both of these with front vises, tail vises, and dog
> holes out the wazoo. Then a big work table in the dedicated, separate
> finishing area. I currently use the same bench for all three, and it's up
> against the wall at that, really limiting my options. Lots of room to step
> up there.
>
Thanks for all the suggestions.
Right now the plan is to have it a slab and 10' ceilings.
I really want a wood floor - I was thinking of just putting down some 2x4
overlaid w/ ply.
I think that should work ok. The DC ductwork will be run on the ceiling.
and I figure w/ 2x4 Im only losing about 4" of headroom. Plus it will let
me run outlets to where I need them.
I really like the idea of the 4plugs @ 6' + the 240. I think im going to do
that.
Lights is going to be the major thing. Im thinking about 2 rows of 8' or 4
rows of 4' lights - not really sure yet.
The plans right now call for 2 windows in the front w/ transoms running
along the rest of the shop at just below ceiling level. Im actually
thinking about adding a few solor tubes as well.
(My dad has a few in his house - and they really work well)
Alot is going to have todo w/ the cost to get the thing up. I have 4
builders bidding on it - so hopefully should have prices by next week. My
plan is to have the build it and stub out the electrical and plumming. I
plan on doing all the interior myself.
Thanks again for the suggestions.
(Keep them comming)
Rob
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to
hear
> from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru
it)
> about what they would love to see/have in their shop. What pitfalls
others
> have been thru. What "DOH"s people have been thru when its finally done.
> (Its done and you say DOH how did I miss that)
>
> Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This
is
> pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
>
> My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot bigger -
> b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love a
> woman like that!
>
> Thanks
>
> -Rob
>
>
> Wood is nicer to stand on than concrete, so I'd have a two-level dream
shop.
> The cyclone dust collector would be on the ground floor and all the tools
> would be on the 2nd floor. It would be easy to poke holes in the floor
> wherever necessary to connect tools to the dust collector & power.
>
> I'd also have a separate finishing area.
>
> -- Mark
=====================
Mark Mark Mark..... lol
As you know I play with cars so MY shop is located upstairs ...over one of
the garages...
WHAT A PAIN !
Wish I had a freight elavator ...
The dust collection solution is, as you say, much easier...
Bob Griffiths
"Rob V" writes:
> Fuquay Varina - North Carolina
> (just south of raleigh)
OK, you need some provision for insulation, be it to keep the cold out in
the winter or the heat out in the summer, but certainly not what is req'd
600-800 miles north.
If you are going to pour a slab, consider installing a heating system as
part of the pour.
You are going to require some kind of heating system.
Standing on concrete for extended periods is unpleasant. If you pour a slab,
rubber mats to stand on will be appreciated.
Consider installing a compressed air distribution system overhead using 2"
NPT black iron pipe. You want a detailed design, I'll give you one.
Run your electrical system over head /W/ power drops as req'd.
A 120/240V/1PH/60hz/60A service will be adequate.
Design clear spans if possible. Having 9'-10' clear at the eaves can be very
useful.
Include a provision to have a double door removable "plug" in a wall so that
if you build something large, you can get it out of the shop without tearing
the shop apart.
This is a list to get you thinking, not something chiseled in stone.
HTH
--
Lew
S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures
Rob V wrote:
> Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget.
> This is pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
Built-in air filtration so I don't have to have several of these hanging
around the shop.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=G5955
Squirrel cage fan larger than necessary running slower to reduce noise, easy
to change filters, easy to clean ducting.
-- Mark
I was getting ready to say, damn, 4x8 sanding table???? Sounds like you got
the setup going on! Reason I was asking, I was thinking along the same lines
of using an old furnace fan for doing the same thing. Where you got it going
to? Outside? What did you use for piping and such? Maybe combing your setup
and my idea, I could incorporate it into my little ole shop. I don't have
much head room, so hanging a factory made one is outta the question. Guess I
could loose some bench space, but man, it's at a premium.
--
This space for rent.
Jerry© The Phoneman®
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark Jerde wrote:
>
> > Both. I have a 4'x8' sanding table that uses a squirrel cage fan I
>
> Yurg! Make that a 2'x4' sanding table. It would be fun to have the space
> for a 4'x8' sanding/assembly table.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
> Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This is
> pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
If I had a shop the one thing I would definitely include would be a
large resaw bandsaw. I have plenty of left over 3/4" flooring from
jobs I have done over the years and it would be perfect for inlay work
if I could resaw it into 3/16" stock.
> My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot bigger -
> b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love a
> woman like that!
>
A company that I was working with had a saying, "There is a natural
human need to fill empty space" No matter how large you make the shop
you will find something to fill it.
Franklyn
http://woodfloorist.com/1/goldfish.html
Hi Rob.
Get some squared paper and draw the floor layout at, say 1" = 1ft for
simplicity. Make scale cut outs of your machines' footprints and do test
layouts, allowing for working space round each machine, particularly at the
infeed and outfeed stations. Remember to also allow for those machines on
your "someday" list. Don't fudge things by thinking you can rely on
moveable castored bases to get you out of trouble space-wise and
lay-out-wise - they can help, but they're a pain in a working shop unless
you're fanatically well-organised and tidy in your working habits.
Design as much off-the-floor storage as you can in terms of cupboards and
shelves - wall-hanging tool-kits rather than floor-standing chests of
drawers. Overbuild your ceiling joists to give you the capacity for serious
overhead timber storage. You might want to design in a gable peak trapdoor
to let you get long lengths in and out of the roof-space. Remember to run
your wiring along the sides of the joists, rather than on top, to allow for
this.
Figure how many power points you need, then double it. Use metal-clad
surface-mounted double-sockets and set them at chest height all round the
walls, plus a hanging tail from every second joist and a floor-mounted point
every 6 feet of so (those ones covered with a spring-loaded metal flap)
Try to include piped DC and air, and site the machines in a lean-to outside
the shop - you don't need the noise and you do need the space. Similarly,
try to organise covered timber storage outside the shop - DAMHIKT!
Paint all wall surfaces, cupboard doors etc brilliant white and install
fluorescents on every joist and try to let in as much natural light as
possible.
If I had to condense all of this into a paragraph, I'd say, space, space,
space - your wife's a wise woman. Your biggest limitation will always be
space. All else can be done later, but you can't achieve much without ample
space, and I can't overemphasise the amount of frustration and extra work
caused by the lack of it. If your budget won't stretch to a large
well-equipped shop, then just go for a large one initially. You can add the
piped DC and airlines, heating, insulation, air-conditioning and Coke
machine later as you get the money!
Have fun, and try to resist taking on projects until the shop is finished to
your satisfaction, or , like me, you'll find yourself 3 years later in full
production with bits of trim etc still missing!
Best of luck,
Frank
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to
hear
> from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru
it)
> about what they would love to see/have in their shop. What pitfalls
others
> have been thru. What "DOH"s people have been thru when its finally done.
> (Its done and you say DOH how did I miss that)
>
> Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This
is
> pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
>
> My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot bigger -
> b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love a
> woman like that!
>
> Thanks
>
> -Rob
>
>
A toilet. Saves romping through the house leaving a trail of dust.
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to
hear
> from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru
it)
> about what they would love to see/have in their shop. What pitfalls
others
> have been thru. What "DOH"s people have been thru when its finally done.
> (Its done and you say DOH how did I miss that)
>
> Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This
is
> pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
>
> My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot bigger -
> b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love a
> woman like that!
>
> Thanks
>
> -Rob
>
>
Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> (Of course, I have to avoid being *seen* doing this...)
>>
> One problem with desert dwelling, even if you are in the country,
> there's not a lot of cover for privacy.
I don't have much cover either, and I sort of have mixed feelings about
that. With all the highway lights they put in and the street light in my
yard, and the various obstructions and angles involved, there isn't a spot
on my property that doesn't have a clear, well-lit line of sight from
somewhere.
Makes it hard to take a piss in the yard discretely, but it also decreases
the chances of getting burglarized.
So no, I don't really go around pissing all over my yard. Not until after
2:00 AM anyway. ;)
(Had sex with SWMBO out by the pond at about that hour too. That was kind
of exciting, but not really all *that* dangerous, since everyone else in
the neighborhood goes to bed by 11:00 PM.)
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Frank K. writes:
>A toilet. Saves romping through the house leaving a trail of dust.
Another joy of country life...slide one door open a bit and save all that
plumbing work.
Charlie Self
"I have one yardstick by which I test every major problem-and that yardstick
is: Is it good for America?" Dwight D. Eisenhower
Charlie Self wrote:
> Another joy of country life...slide one door open a bit and save all that
> plumbing work.
Country life hell. It's my property. I'll piss anywhere I want to. Keeps
the varmints down.
(Of course, I have to avoid being *seen* doing this...)
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Rob V wrote:
> Oh - that was you out there that night?
> <g>
I'm sorry that was you who had the misfortune to see my lily white, hairy
ass that night. :)
(Saying this without quoting the context from my previous post ought to
raise some eyebrows.)
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Silvan responds:
>Rob V wrote:
>
>> Oh - that was you out there that night?
>> <g>
>
>I'm sorry that was you who had the misfortune to see my lily white, hairy
>ass that night. :)
>
>(Saying this without quoting the context from my previous post ought to
>raise some eyebrows.)
You asked for this, Mike: what the hell. It was only a 45 second glimpse. :)
Charlie Self
"I have one yardstick by which I test every major problem-and that yardstick
is: Is it good for America?" Dwight D. Eisenhower
Charlie Self wrote:
>>
>>I'm sorry that was you who had the misfortune to see my lily white, hairy
>>ass that night. :)
>>
>>(Saying this without quoting the context from my previous post ought to
>>raise some eyebrows.)
>
> You asked for this, Mike: what the hell. It was only a 45 second glimpse.
> :)
OMG, you were counting the seconds? O_o
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Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
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> > You asked for this, Mike: what the hell. It was only a 45 second
glimpse.
> > :)
You beat me to it!!!! I was going to say - you give a whole new meaning to
the words "Two Stoke" <BG>
>
> OMG, you were counting the seconds? O_o
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
Rob V wrote:
>> > You asked for this, Mike: what the hell. It was only a 45 second
> glimpse.
>> > :)
>
> You beat me to it!!!! I was going to say - you give a whole new meaning
> to the words "Two Stoke" <BG>
>
>> OMG, you were counting the seconds? O_o
Well, two stroke or not, even if it only took me 30 seconds, why the hell
was Charlie looking at my ass for that long??? I'm starting to get scared!
Hell, West Virginia, isn't that where they shot Deliverance? <G, D & R>
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Silvan responds:
>> You beat me to it!!!! I was going to say - you give a whole new meaning
>> to the words "Two Stoke" <BG>
>>
>>> OMG, you were counting the seconds? O_o
>
>Well, two stroke or not, even if it only took me 30 seconds, why the hell
>was Charlie looking at my ass for that long??? I'm starting to get scared!
>Hell, West Virginia, isn't that where they shot Deliverance? <G, D & R>
Don't worry about it. Even if I were timing you, it was curiosity..similarities
to rabbits and all. And you weren't exposed long enough to matter. :)
Charlie Self
"In the final choice a soldier's pack is not so heavy as a prisoner's chains."
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Charlie Self wrote:
>>Hell, West Virginia, isn't that where they shot Deliverance? <G, D & R>
>
> Don't worry about it. Even if I were timing you, it was
> curiosity..similarities to rabbits and all. And you weren't exposed long
> enough to matter. :)
LMAO
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > Another joy of country life...slide one door open a bit and save all that
> > plumbing work.
>
> Country life hell. It's my property. I'll piss anywhere I want to. Keeps
> the varmints down.
>
> (Of course, I have to avoid being *seen* doing this...)
>
One problem with desert dwelling, even if you are in the country,
there's not a lot of cover for privacy.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Frank K. writes:
>
> >A toilet. Saves romping through the house leaving a trail of dust.
>
> Another joy of country life...slide one door open a bit and save all that
> plumbing work.
>
> Charlie Self
>
How deep does the pile get before you spread it over the lawn? <G>
Frank
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:09:22 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> scribbled
>Charlie Self wrote:
>
>> Another joy of country life...slide one door open a bit and save all that
>> plumbing work.
>
>Country life hell. It's my property. I'll piss anywhere I want to. Keeps
>the varmints down.
For me, it's the compost bin if I'm in the yard - very high in
nitrogen. No sense in wasting it, and (OBWW) it compensates for the
high carbon sawdust. If the neighbours don't like it, they just don't
have to look. I read an article in a Canadian gardening magazine a few
years back about a guy who experimented with urine as a fertiliser:
diluted 10 to one, urine is a good high-nitrogen fertiliser.
Undiluted, it will burn plants, as with any other over-applied
fertiliser.
During the winter, directly on the raised beds - don't eat the yellow
snow! Following Doug Stowe's suggestion, I started using a
sawdust-filled pee bucket in the shop as I'm now working with birch
instead of cedar. Its contents end up in the compost.
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" for real email address
Oh - that was you out there that night?
<g>
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
> >> (Of course, I have to avoid being *seen* doing this...)
> >>
> > One problem with desert dwelling, even if you are in the country,
> > there's not a lot of cover for privacy.
>
> I don't have much cover either, and I sort of have mixed feelings about
> that. With all the highway lights they put in and the street light in my
> yard, and the various obstructions and angles involved, there isn't a spot
> on my property that doesn't have a clear, well-lit line of sight from
> somewhere.
>
> Makes it hard to take a piss in the yard discretely, but it also decreases
> the chances of getting burglarized.
>
> So no, I don't really go around pissing all over my yard. Not until after
> 2:00 AM anyway. ;)
>
> (Had sex with SWMBO out by the pond at about that hour too. That was kind
> of exciting, but not really all *that* dangerous, since everyone else in
> the neighborhood goes to bed by 11:00 PM.)
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to hear
> from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru it)
> about what they would love to see/have in their shop. What pitfalls others
> have been thru. What "DOH"s people have been thru when its finally done.
> (Its done and you say DOH how did I miss that)
>
> Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This is
> pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
>
> My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot bigger -
> b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love a
> woman like that!
>
> Thanks
>
> -Rob
Whatever you use to heat the shop, I would make sure it does not have
an open flame, especially near your finishing area. Radiant head is a
good thing.
Mike
The size is going to be 28x30 (was originally 28x25)
The total size of the new building is going to b 28x43 - but 13 of that has
to go for my boat.
"Charles Erskine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some ideas:
>
> A bench area with lots of north light, maybe even a drafting table.
> A little loading dock the same height as your utility trailer bed.
> Interior walls faced with shiplap pine or similar, so you can hang
> tools, wood, etc. anywhere.
> An exhaust fan with self-operating louvers.
> A way to shut off and lock off ALL electric power except the heat/AC
> and overhead lights.
> An separate underground conduit to the house for telephone, and big
> enough to add cable TV, computer network cabling, etc. in the future.
> Overhanging eaves for drying wood outside.
> A small wood stove.
>
> "Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to
hear
> > from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru
it)
> > about what they would love to see/have in their shop. What pitfalls
others
> > have been thru. What "DOH"s people have been thru when its finally done.
> > (Its done and you say DOH how did I miss that)
> >
> > Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This
is
> > pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
> >
> > My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot
bigger -
> > b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love
a
> > woman like that!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -Rob
Jerry Gilreath wrote:
> Mark,
> Do you have a squirrel cage setup? Or do you have the regular air
> filtration?
Both. I have a 4'x8' sanding table that uses a squirrel cage fan I got for
free from the guys who service our furnace and AC. It works very well. If
there's a lot of dust in the air about 2 to 3 minutes of the sanding table
running cleans the air of my single car garage shop. I also have a filtered
box fan hanging from the ceiling.
Since this is a "dream shop" thread I though I'd mention quieter/better air
filtration than I have now. My dream shop will have pristine air. ;-)
There is family history of respitory problems in old age so not breathing
too much dust is a good thing for me.
I've been in two custom houses that had great air movement without a lot of
noise. The 2nd house used a huge fan (think roof of an apartment building)
running at about half the normal RPMs. Even up close it was almost silent.
With proper ducting it would keep the air in a 6 car garage shop clean.
-- Mark
Rob,
Lucky you; a new shop and an understanding wife. Since you're blessed
with an understanding wife, take her advice, but double what you think
you need.
I've had two shops, one with concrete slab and one with wood floor
over crawl space. Both have their advantages. Down heah in
Mississippi, the ground temperature is warm enough that an insulated
shop with slab-on-grade never gets very cold. The inside of that shop
never dropped below 40 degrees even when the outside temp dropped to
20 overnight. Nothing ever froze. Much easier to warm that one up.
My current shop, with wood floor and crawl space, gets just as cold as
outside temp. Takes much longer to warm up in the morning. But, it's
really handy to be able to run another circuit under the floor each
time I add a machine. If I ever get around to installing a dust
collector, I'd put pipes down there too.
I'd intall LOTS of electrical outlets, maybe one on every stud. Put
several in the ceiling too. I always seem to be out in the middle of
the shop with two sanders and a saw and cords everywhere.
Lots of florescent light fixtures. You'll find yourself working in
the darkest spot someday, so light it well.
I love the idea of a separate finishing room. Wish I had one.
If I build another shop, it will have a gambrel roof like a barn and
I'll store all my wood upstairs. Wood keeps accumulating, and it
takes up lots of room.
Good Luck
DonkeyHody
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to hear
> from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go thru it)
> about what they would love to see/have in their shop. What pitfalls others
> have been thru. What "DOH"s people have been thru when its finally done.
> (Its done and you say DOH how did I miss that)
>
> Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This is
> pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
>
> My wife rules - she already told me - go ahead an make it 5 foot bigger -
> b/c I know it will be too small when its done ;) How cant you just love a
> woman like that!
>
> Thanks
>
> -Rob
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 17:49:39 GMT, "Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Alot is going to have todo w/ the cost to get the thing up. I have 4
>builders bidding on it - so hopefully should have prices by next week. My
>plan is to have the build it and stub out the electrical and plumming. I
>plan on doing all the interior myself.
We saved a ton of money on my garage/shop by having the electrician
wire the service and one outlet and one light circuit. I'm doing all
the rest. Partly because it costs a fortune to have them do it and
partly because I want to be able to fiddle around and change things to
suit me. It is gradually taking shape, it has been over a year now
since the ground breaking and I should be able to start moving tools
in before spring. <sigh>
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Rob V wrote:
> Im getting ready to build my shop (see previous neener post) Id like to
> hear from those that have been thru it (and those that wish they can go
> thru it)
> about what they would love to see/have in their shop.
How big are you looking at? That changes lots of things.
I mean, in a *perfect* shop I think I'd have, well, pick your nearest
furniture factory and go have a look. When I think of what I'd *like* to
have, I keep flashing back to scenes from my favorite factory. They have
nice machines, plenty of room to run them, and a large finishing room in
the back.
If you have less than 30,000 sq. ft. to play with, you're probably not going
to be able to build my idea of a perfect shop. :)
On a more practical level, I'd be happy with much less. I dream less about
floor space than climate/dust control and higher ceilings. I want a
bigger/better table saw, and room to use it, and I need a bandsaw pretty
desperately. Otherwise, I'm pretty well tooled up in my tiny shop.
I'd really love to have room for three separate areas. One with a good
joiner's bench for hand planing and joinery. Another with a good bench for
assembly and clamping. Both of these with front vises, tail vises, and dog
holes out the wazoo. Then a big work table in the dedicated, separate
finishing area. I currently use the same bench for all three, and it's up
against the wall at that, really limiting my options. Lots of room to step
up there.
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Charlie Self wrote:
>>If you have less than 30,000 sq. ft. to play with, you're probably not
>>going
>>to be able to build my idea of a perfect shop. :)
>
> Do you have a clue what that does to your small tool and measuring gear
> needs? You sure as hell don't want to walk back to the other end, or even
> the other side, for a square or rule or compass or trammel.
>
> I mean, that's not quite a football field, but at 100' x 300' basic
> dimension, you could wear out some shoe leather easily...is an electric
> golf cart a part of your perfect shop. :)
Fork lift. :)
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Silvan writes:
>If you have less than 30,000 sq. ft. to play with, you're probably not going
>to be able to build my idea of a perfect shop. :)
Do you have a clue what that does to your small tool and measuring gear needs?
You sure as hell don't want to walk back to the other end, or even the other
side, for a square or rule or compass or trammel.
I mean, that's not quite a football field, but at 100' x 300' basic dimension,
you could wear out some shoe leather easily...is an electric golf cart a part
of your perfect shop. :)
Charlie Self
"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who
believe it." George Carlin
Charlie Self wrote:
> Silvan writes:
>
> >If you have less than 30,000 sq. ft. to play with, you're probably not going
> >to be able to build my idea of a perfect shop. :)
>
> Do you have a clue what that does to your small tool and measuring gear needs?
> You sure as hell don't want to walk back to the other end, or even the other
> side, for a square or rule or compass or trammel.
>
> I mean, that's not quite a football field, but at 100' x 300' basic dimension,
> you could wear out some shoe leather easily...is an electric golf cart a part
> of your perfect shop. :)
I don't know about 100' x 300' either. I sure would hate to pay the
heating/cooling bills. But it sure would be nice to be able to rip/crosscut a 4'
x 8' sheet and joint/route/plane a 6' to 8' long board without out having to
jockey machinery around.
An assembly area and a separate finishing room would be nice as well.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget. This is
> pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
* make every effort to install a wood floor;
* lighting, lighting, lighting;
* storage for sheet goods as well as for the accumulated hardwood
off-cuts you can't part with;
* 4-gang 120v outlets every 6 feet (minimum)- include single 240v
outlets every 6 feet if you don't have a set-in-stone tool placement;
* piping and connections for compressed air;
* simple and inexpensive piping and sprinkler system which can be
quickly hooked up to an exterior water supply should the unthinkable
occur.
--
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Rob V wrote:
> Just looking for some ideas and things that I dont want to forget.
> This is pretty much my 1 shot at the "ideal" shop.
Wood is nicer to stand on than concrete, so I'd have a two-level dream shop.
The cyclone dust collector would be on the ground floor and all the tools
would be on the 2nd floor. It would be easy to poke holes in the floor
wherever necessary to connect tools to the dust collector & power.
I'd also have a separate finishing area.
-- Mark
Mark Jerde responds:
>Wood is nicer to stand on than concrete, so I'd have a two-level dream shop.
>The cyclone dust collector would be on the ground floor and all the tools
>would be on the 2nd floor. It would be easy to poke holes in the floor
>wherever necessary to connect tools to the dust collector & power.
Way nicer. I've got a friend who did just as you state. Concrete walk-out
basement, plywood floor above, huge shop (32' x 48' plus full basement). DC
downstairs, holes in floor (be sure, though, you're placing tools where they
will stay, as it's a PITA to patch the floor after moving them). Downstairs
includes things like a lawn mower, DC, air compressor, wood storage rack,
refrigerator (also a wood storage rack on the main floor), such items that
don't do well in the woodshop. Much quieter upstairs with all the noise below
decks. Much more fun working with a wood floor. On the stairs leading down, he
built a platform that holds his oil furnace...I think, but don't recall for
sure, that he's got some sort of sliding access platform in case of problems,
but in any case, the innards are accessible from the stairs. A great deal of
though went into his shop and it works like a dream.
Charlie Self
"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who
believe it." George Carlin