A bit worked loose out of my 1/4" router as it was going. Fortunately it
didn't fly out, but it did tear up the wood quite a bit.
Now I've clean up the router however I question the safetyness of it.
Although bits fit in the collet and seem to tighten securly is the router
safe to use after this mishap. I can see events where the bit seems secure
and goes flying out again, this time with very dramatic results and a trip
to the emergency room.
So can I use it safely or should I pitch it?
TIA
Just call me 'shorty'.
[email protected] wrote:
> A bit worked loose out of my 1/4" router as it was going. Fortunately it
> didn't fly out, but it did tear up the wood quite a bit.
Do you have any idea why this happened? If it was user error, such as
not sufficiently tightened or not properly inserted, then that is
correctable - don't do it a gain. If the bit has an undersized shank -
chuck it, if the collet is worn - replace it. Is it an old router? Is
it of good quality?
I always wonder to myself how do I know how much I should tighten the
chuck. Anyone have any rules of thumb?
MB
I make a motion that 6mm shank router bits be marked clearly and
disposed of in shops where there are only 1/4 and 1/2" router chucks.
I have disposed of a few flea market bits and sets after getting home
and having one escape my P.C. 690 VS. I thought it was my fault, maybe
not tight enough. Then I tried to re-install the bit,after tightening,
I could turn the bit with my bare hand while holding the collet with a
wrench! I checked all of my bits with a drill gauge and threw away
anything that didn't show a full 1/4". 3 or 4 bits did not measure up.
Be careful out there,
Tom
[email protected] wrote:
> A bit worked loose out of my 1/4" router as it was going. Fortunately it
> didn't fly out, but it did tear up the wood quite a bit.
> Now I've clean up the router however I question the safetyness of it.
> Although bits fit in the collet and seem to tighten securly is the router
> safe to use after this mishap. I can see events where the bit seems secure
> and goes flying out again, this time with very dramatic results and a trip
> to the emergency room.
>
> So can I use it safely or should I pitch it?
> TIA
> Just call me 'shorty'.
Like others have said, perhaps it is the "automatic random height
adustment" feature of your router. My first router was a B&D 1/4
shank. It had this same feature when routing dovetails in maple.
After examining the collet, I discovered the collet just had one slit
in it. I assume the problem was than when you tighten down the collet
nut, it has too hard of a time to squeeze the collet around the shank
tightly. I ended up throwing away that router and getting a real
router (PC). Examination of the collet on the PC showed that it has (I
think) 4 staggered slits in it, much easier for the collet to squeeze
down around the shank. Never had a random height adjustment problem
since then.
Ken
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> A bit worked loose out of my 1/4" router as it was going. Fortunately it
> didn't fly out, but it did tear up the wood quite a bit.
> Now I've clean up the router however I question the safetyness of it.
> Although bits fit in the collet and seem to tighten securly is the router
> safe to use after this mishap. I can see events where the bit seems secure
> and goes flying out again, this time with very dramatic results and a trip
> to the emergency room.
>
> So can I use it safely or should I pitch it?
> TIA
> Just call me 'shorty'.
Sears Craftsman router? This was a common problem with those.
I did get a lot of use out of my 1/4" Craftsman router even though it did
exhibit this automatic adjustment feature, but I also finally replaced the
router because of it. You can minimize how often this occurs by keeping the
collet clean, clean the shanks of your bits with alcohol before using them
the first time, and by running a fine sandpaper around the shank from time
to time. The sandpaper will roughen up the shank surface a bit and give it
some tooth. That will help the otherwise weak collet design hold the bit
more securely. You don't need to make the shank look like a hole rasp -
just a slight abrasion is enough.
Beyond that - my only recommendation is to double check the bit height often
during the time you're using the router, and don't push it too hard. I
found that the harder I pushed the router, the more likely I was to suffer
this automatic adjustment feature.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>A bit worked loose out of my 1/4" router as it was going. Fortunately it
> didn't fly out, but it did tear up the wood quite a bit.
> Now I've clean up the router however I question the safetyness of it.
> Although bits fit in the collet and seem to tighten securly is the router
> safe to use after this mishap. I can see events where the bit seems secure
> and goes flying out again, this time with very dramatic results and a trip
> to the emergency room.
>
> So can I use it safely or should I pitch it?
> TIA
> Just call me 'shorty'.
Are you using a craftsman router by chance? They have had a lot of these
types of problems. Search the archives
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=rec.woodworking
using 'automatic random height adjustment' and you will get the idea.
Frank
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>A bit worked loose out of my 1/4" router as it was going. Fortunately it
> didn't fly out, but it did tear up the wood quite a bit.
> Now I've clean up the router however I question the safetyness of it.
> Although bits fit in the collet and seem to tighten securly is the router
> safe to use after this mishap. I can see events where the bit seems secure
> and goes flying out again, this time with very dramatic results and a trip
> to the emergency room.
>
> So can I use it safely or should I pitch it?
> TIA
> Just call me 'shorty'.
I had that happen and sold it on ebay.
I am pretty sure I put it in properly, so if it happened once it can happen
again. I wasn't so much worried about it flying out, as ruining another
project.
It happened to be a craftsman that is notorious for the problem; yours might
not be.
[email protected] wrote:
> A bit worked loose out of my 1/4" router as it was going. Fortunately
> it didn't fly out, but it did tear up the wood quite a bit.
> Now I've clean up the router however I question the safetyness of it.
> Although bits fit in the collet and seem to tighten securly is the
> router safe to use after this mishap.
As otheres said, clean collet and use it.
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> I can see events where the bit
> seems secure and goes flying out again, this time with very dramatic
> results and a trip to the emergency room.
So the bit is spinning away at 18-25K rpm. What's going to happen if
you had an "instant open" collet and opened it? Bit will drop straight
down.
--
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tom wrote:
> Clean the shank and the collet thoroughly with acetone or alcohol.
> Insert it just about completely into the collet, and check it a lot
> whilst using, Shorty. Tom
>
Gee, I've never been able to focus too well on a bit turning 18,000 RPM.
I can't even keep my eyes focused on our ceiling fans, when they are
on "high". :)
dave
[email protected] wrote:
> A bit worked loose out of my 1/4" router as it was going. Fortunately it
> didn't fly out, but it did tear up the wood quite a bit.
> Now I've clean up the router however I question the safetyness of it.
> Although bits fit in the collet and seem to tighten securly is the router
> safe to use after this mishap. I can see events where the bit seems secure
> and goes flying out again, this time with very dramatic results and a trip
> to the emergency room.
>
> So can I use it safely or should I pitch it?
> TIA
> Just call me 'shorty'.
If it isn't cracked there's no safety reason not to use it. At some
point, you have to presume that your tools are safe unless you have
evidence to the contrary. Having a bit loosen up and tear up some wood
isn't sufficient cause to pitch it. I had a kickback on my Makita 12"
slider. I didn't pitch the blade. :)
Dave
On 8 Dec 2005 23:09:24 -0800, "tom" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave wrote: Gee, I've never been able to focus too well on a bit
>turning 18,000 RPM.
> I can't even keep my eyes focused on our ceiling fans, when they are
>
>on "high". :)
>That's why we were those glasses. At least our eyes will be protected.
>Tom
Better put on a kevlar apron to protect your jewelery.
This was a concern when I built a router table. The front edge has a
thick maple block on the underside to catch anything that might fly
out from that direction. Of course, that protection isn't available
if it somehow flys apart and the pieces exit across the top. Again,
kevlar apron to the rescue.
[email protected] said:
>A bit worked loose out of my 1/4" router as it was going. Fortunately it
>didn't fly out, but it did tear up the wood quite a bit.
>Now I've clean up the router however I question the safetyness of it.
>Although bits fit in the collet and seem to tighten securly is the router
>safe to use after this mishap. I can see events where the bit seems secure
>and goes flying out again, this time with very dramatic results and a trip
>to the emergency room.
>
>So can I use it safely or should I pitch it?
>TIA
>Just call me 'shorty'.
This is my opinion, other's may differ.
If it is a quality bit, I would see no problem in using it if there
was no damage to the carbide and the shaft wasn't damaged.
Quality means a Whiteside, Amana, Bosch, etc.
If is a no-name Chinese router bit - I'd toss it.
Keep in mind that the bit should not be totally inserted the full
depth of the router shaft hole. This can result in the bit loosening
itself over time. Make sure the collet is clean, and the shaft of the
bit is clean. Insert fully, and retract 1/8" or so, then tighten the
collet. Conversely, make sure you have it inserted far enough.
FWIW,
Greg G.
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:44:47 GMT, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>A bit worked loose out of my 1/4" router as it was going.
Apart from the other suggestions, check that this isn't a 6mm bit.
They'll fit into a 1/4" collet, but they work loose or wobble at speed.
(I don't allow 6mm bits in the workshop - too easily confused)
[email protected] wrote:
> A bit worked loose out of my 1/4" router as it was going. Fortunately
> it didn't fly out, but it did tear up the wood quite a bit.
Just an FYI...
Down shear bits can be pulled down if you take too big a bite.
Especially if it is a hard wood.
--
dadiOH
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