Hello all,
I have been lurking here for some time and just bought a router and I
now need some help. So, here goes my first post. I have decided to
take a stab at making my own router table. The top is 24" by 34". 24"
being the back to front measurement and 34" being the left to right
measurement. I was just curious as to where I would put the insert for
the router. Do I put it smack dab in the middle , toward the back,
toward the front , to the left or to the right? I have looked on the
web and have seen all different styles? Is it personal preference? Is
one location more advantageous than another. I am right handed if that
makes any difference!! Thanks for any and all suggestions
Mike
In article <[email protected]>, Unisaw A100
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Didn't even
> consider haggling, just gave it to him like he asked
Doncha just *love* that feeling?
djb
--
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
For some reason I'm flashing on the haggling scene in "Monty Python's
Life of Brian"...
"50 Drachmas you must be mad!"
;-)
I take a similar approach. "Would you consider..." works better and
leaves everyone feeling better than "I'll give you..."
The last great deal I got (Lee Valley push mower for $10) I asked the
seller if she knew the value of the tool, told her the new price, and
then asked if she still wanted to sell it for the $10 marked on it.
My soul felt good when I loaded it into the trunk.
djb
--
There are no socks in my email address.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
If up against a wall, I suppose it'd make more difference, but for me,
realizing I seldom work in the same place twice with my routerbox on a
Workmate, that's not important.
No matter how much support you give it on the infeed side (remember to feed
into rotation), eventually the piece exits, and becomes just as unmanageable
as it would have been had you less infeed distance. Use roller supports as
required.
If you have, as others mention, one of those super-duper fences, you'll have
to allow for mounting and full directional travel. For me, like the router
guys, a chunk of something straight with a clamp on each end, adjusted with
a few taps of the Polish persuader suffices.
In short, you'll find a job or place where it'll be mounted wrong for the
task at hand, so go with the easy spot.
"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ANfkb.121213$9l5.41097@pd7tw2no...
> Hello all,
> I have been lurking here for some time and just bought a router and I
> now need some help. So, here goes my first post. I have decided to
> take a stab at making my own router table. The top is 24" by 34". 24"
> being the back to front measurement and 34" being the left to right
> measurement. I was just curious as to where I would put the insert for
> the router. Do I put it smack dab in the middle , toward the back,
> toward the front , to the left or to the right? I have looked on the
> web and have seen all different styles? Is it personal preference? Is
> one location more advantageous than another. I am right handed if that
> makes any difference!! Thanks for any and all suggestions
> Mike
>
Mike <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<ANfkb.121213$9l5.41097@pd7tw2no>...
> Hello all,
> I have been lurking here for some time and just bought a router and I
> now need some help. So, here goes my first post. I have decided to
> take a stab at making my own router table. The top is 24" by 34". 24"
> being the back to front measurement and 34" being the left to right
> measurement. I was just curious as to where I would put the insert for
> the router. Do I put it smack dab in the middle , toward the back,
> toward the front , to the left or to the right? I have looked on the
> web and have seen all different styles? Is it personal preference? Is
> one location more advantageous than another. I am right handed if that
> makes any difference!! Thanks for any and all suggestions
> Mike
Hey Mile, why don't you insert it up your asshole where it belongs.
"Life aint nothin' but twinks and chinks!" (Sexy gay young men and
Chinese food!) -JOAT (Jerk-Off All Twinks)
Traves W. Coppock wrote:
>nice drivebye keith!
B-b-b-but I didn't even get to the part about giving the
nice man a hunnert fifty dollars for it. Didn't even
consider haggling, just gave it to him like he asked.
>*G*
Me too.
OBOriginal Topic: The JessEm/Jointech/Anne Rockler "Action"
Jackson inserts are the only ones worth considering.
UA100
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:39:28 GMT, Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hello all,
> I have been lurking here for some time and just bought a router and I
>now need some help. So, here goes my first post. I have decided to
>take a stab at making my own router table. The top is 24" by 34". 24"
>being the back to front measurement and 34" being the left to right
>measurement. I was just curious as to where I would put the insert for
>the router. Do I put it smack dab in the middle , toward the back,
>toward the front , to the left or to the right? I have looked on the
>web and have seen all different styles? Is it personal preference? Is
>one location more advantageous than another. I am right handed if that
>makes any difference!! Thanks for any and all suggestions
> Mike
i put mine in the middle. also made the fence so that it can be used
in either dirrection. front to back or side to side simply by moving
the hooks. works great. skeez
Mike <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<ANfkb.121213$9l5.41097@pd7tw2no>...
> Hello all,
> I have been lurking here for some time and just bought a router and I
> now need some help. So, here goes my first post. I have decided to
> take a stab at making my own router table. The top is 24" by 34". 24"
> being the back to front measurement and 34" being the left to right
> measurement. I was just curious as to where I would put the insert for
> the router. Do I put it smack dab in the middle , toward the back,
> toward the front , to the left or to the right? I have looked on the
> web and have seen all different styles? Is it personal preference? Is
> one location more advantageous than another. I am right handed if that
> makes any difference!! Thanks for any and all suggestions
> Mike
I'd say it's a matter of preference. I went with placing the router
1/3 up from one edge. But my table is on top of a roll around cabinet
and I use simple wood fences that I clamp on --- this means that the
router is either 1/3 the way across or 2/3 the way across depending on
where you stand. For example, long linear pieces are generally
handled from the shallow side. Large flat things (like door panels)
are handled from the deep side so the work piece is well supported.
In retrospect 1/3:2/3 is ok but the golden ratio (about 38%/62%) would
probably have worked about as well and made any mathematician who
wanders into your shop smile.
hex
-30-
>"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:ANfkb.121213$9l5.41097@pd7tw2no...
>> The top is 24" by 34". 24"
>> being the back to front measurement and 34" being the left to right
>> measurement. I was just curious as to where I would put the insert for
>> the router. Do I put it smack dab in the middle , toward the back,
>> toward the front , to the left or to the right?
When I built my latest table, I moved the plate back, to the center of
the table.
My old table worked well with two exceptions, raised panels and end
grain routing with stile and rail bits. These two annoyances were
enough to make me construct a new table.
Here's some photos that may help:
<http://www.bburke.com/wood/jigsandtools.html>
Have fun,
Barry
Was: "Router table insert..where do I put it?"
So as to not hijack the original posters thread, I've
re-routed this discussion to this subject line.
Unisaw A100 wrote:
>Didn't even consider haggling, just gave it to him like he asked
Dave Balderstone wrote:
>Doncha just *love* that feeling?
Ayup! Butcha know, there's a lot more to haggling than most
people think. There's a large part of the population that
knows they don't know how to haggle and that's just fine and
the way God meant it to be. It's the group that doesn't
know/shouldn't be haggling but still do that I've really
grown to despise like a greasy fart. These are the types
that will walk in and belittle something with the thought
that they can falsely lower the value in the seller's eyes
and get it cheaper. I can't bring myself to that level just
for the very reason that "it's so wrong" (TM Debbie
Thornberry). 'Sides it leaves a permanent gray (gray David)
urine stain on your soul.
For me haggling comes down to pure trust, the truth and last
but no least, basic economics. I have set aside a certain
amount of money for shop infrastructure that I need to
spread out as thinly and effectively as possible. This
usually means that I go in, I look and I complement the
seller on the item if its *complementable*. After setting
up a rapport I make an offer with the explanation of "I know
you have it fairly marked but I cannot meet the price.
Would you consider..." This typically ends with my leaving
under my own power and not with the aid of the seller's boot
or the seller likes the cut of my jig/takes pity on me and I
leave under my own power a little bit heavier. More times
than not I have been told that the machine/tool belonged to
a now deceased relative who would be happy to know that it
found a good home (mine). This in itself adds to the lore
of the machine/tool, something you don't get when you buy
new and shiney from The Store Formerly Know as Wooddorkers,
Woodcraft, Wooddorkers Whorehouse or Amazon.com.
UA100, boy scout or manipulator of the system?...
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:59:31 -0500, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
snip
>UA100, who really should be getting back to working on An
>Ultimate Router Table (Tom Watson Model) but took a break
>today to buy a Powermatic Model 141 band saw, check his
>messages and check his eBay auctions...
nice drivebye keith!
*G*
Traves
"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ANfkb.121213$9l5.41097@pd7tw2no...
> The top is 24" by 34". 24"
> being the back to front measurement and 34" being the left to right
> measurement. I was just curious as to where I would put the insert for
> the router. Do I put it smack dab in the middle , toward the back,
> toward the front , to the left or to the right?
While personal preference should rule, consider what at least one pro outfit
does.
Benchdog put the insert about 1/3 from the front. Their reasoning is that
most work is done on narrower stock and you don't want to have to reach back
any more than necessary. OTOH, when you do have a very wide piece to work
with, just turn the table around and now you have a very wide front to rest
the work on.
This has been working well for me.
Ed
On the Go To Hell Router Table (bastard son of An Ultimate
Router Table) I have the insert centered 10" off the back
edge of the table. On the An Ultimate Router Table (Tom
Watson Model) I am centering it 8" off the back edge. This
leaves enough room to mount almost any fence (1) and leaves
room in front where you need it the most.
The table on the Go To Hell Router Table is 24"ish by
34"ish. The table on An Ultimate Router Table (Tom Watson
Model) will be 27" by 36" as God and Herbert Tautz had
always intended it to be.
(1) If you are looking to put one of those goofy Incra
fences on you'll have to have a driveway long portion behind
the bit. They really screw with the aesthetics of 'chinery
design.
UA100, who really should be getting back to working on An
Ultimate Router Table (Tom Watson Model) but took a break
today to buy a Powermatic Model 141 band saw, check his
messages and check his eBay auctions...
My table top is 24x36. I put the router 8" from the front, centered
left-to-right, and this has worked out well. About 90% of the time I
work from the front, and the 8" depth is deep enough to support the
workpiece but not so deep that it feels like I'm reaching.
The other 10% of the time when I'm working on something large (like
panel-raising a door) I work from the back of the table and I have a
16" support surface.
I have on/off switches on both the back and the front of the table for
safety.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:39:28 GMT, Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hello all,
> I have been lurking here for some time and just bought a router and I
>now need some help. So, here goes my first post. I have decided to
>take a stab at making my own router table. The top is 24" by 34". 24"
>being the back to front measurement and 34" being the left to right
>measurement. I was just curious as to where I would put the insert for
>the router. Do I put it smack dab in the middle , toward the back,
>toward the front , to the left or to the right? I have looked on the
>web and have seen all different styles? Is it personal preference? Is
>one location more advantageous than another. I am right handed if that
>makes any difference!! Thanks for any and all suggestions
> Mike
-- jc
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:04:51 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
>Traves W. Coppock wrote:
>>nice drivebye keith!
>
>B-b-b-but I didn't even get to the part about giving the
>nice man a hunnert fifty dollars for it. Didn't even
>consider haggling, just gave it to him like he asked.
ROFL...now rubbin salt in eh? *G*
i have had only one score like that, and i ALMOST, felt bad enough
that i wanted to turn my back as i handed the man the money. . .but
alas that feeling of guilt fades faster the further from the scene of
the "crime" you drive with that special new whozawhatzitz
>
>>*G*
>
>Me too.
>
>OBOriginal Topic: The JessEm/Jointech/Anne Rockler "Action"
>Jackson inserts are the only ones worth considering.
>
>UA100
i'll second that.
i have had two of the Action Jackson plates...and they are pretty good
for what you are paying. little on the small side so far as an opening
is concerned if you have a large panel raiser.
I put mine centered front-back but to the left some, but that's
because I was putting an Incra fence on the right and wanted to make
sure I could use the whole range of the fence. I think this
photo shows it best:
http://www.delorie.com/wood/projects/router/overview.jpg
But in general you put it where it makes the most sense for the type
of fence you're using. With an Incra, you need room for the beam.
For a Pat Warner type fence, you don't.
FYI here's the rest of the project:
http://www.delorie.com/wood/projects/router/