"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was $2.89,
> what are you guys in California willing to pay?
3.17 is what regular costs in MA. At home in CT it is 3.34. Glad I live in
a border town as they are proposing another 3¢ on gas here.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> Here in California we are blessed to have all the following forms of
> alternate energy generation.
>
> Geo Thermal electrical generation.
> Direct solar photo voltaic electrical generation.
> Solar-thermal-turbine electrical generation.
> Hydro-electric electrical generation.
> Bio-mass electrical generation.
> Wind mill power generation.
> This does not include the little box eBay is using for a big piece of
> their power requirements.
>
> None of these methods are free standing, but they all reduce the
> fossil fuel load which reduces our balance of payments issue.
>
But NONE of them reduce oil imports, since virtually all oil imports are
used in transportation.
Since much of the natural gas used for electric generation in California
comes from western Canada, you can't say much about the balance of payments
either.
About 12% of California's electric needs come from renewable resources:
Whale oil, timber, hamster wheels, etc.
This is not an insignificant amount.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:20:17 +1100, "George W Frost"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>
>> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>>
>> Noticed the cost of food lately?
>>
>> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>>
>> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>>
>> Lew
>
>
>Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
>
>We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
>
Everybody who wants to post their comparitive gasoline pricing needs
to adjust for their state/country taxes. I am fairly sure that gas is
not really that variable in price, just that some countries/states
want to tax it more than others either for revenue purposes or to try
to influence the actions of their citizens. I would bet that OZ has a
damned high tax rate compared to Wyoming... as does California (to a
lesser degree of course).
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:37:18 -0500, dhall987 <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:20:17 +1100, "George W Frost"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>>
>>> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>>>
>>> Noticed the cost of food lately?
>>>
>>> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>>>
>>> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>
>>
>>Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
>>
>>We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
>>
>Everybody who wants to post their comparitive gasoline pricing needs
>to adjust for their state/country taxes. I am fairly sure that gas is
>not really that variable in price, just that some countries/states
>want to tax it more than others either for revenue purposes or to try
>to influence the actions of their citizens. I would bet that OZ has a
>damned high tax rate compared to Wyoming... as does California (to a
>lesser degree of course).
There is a big difference in formulations, as well. The difference in taxes
between CA and AL, for instance, is *not* $1/gallon.
On Feb 22, 1:18=A0pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "EXT" =A0wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >> Apparently that "free" health care has to be paid for somehow, who kne=
w?
> > Healthcare is NOT free. In Ontario, all employers have to pay a premium
> > for each employee, and each employee has to pay a premium for healthcar=
e
> > that is added on to the annual income tax total.
>
> Of course, that was my point, that sooner or later, one way or another, y=
ou
> pay for it.
And what does that troll have to do with the price of gas?
On Feb 24, 11:24=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Leon" wrote:
>
> >> I recall all =A0this alternative energy stuff going out of controll wh=
en
> >> gasoline prices/ oil prices went up in the mid 70's.
> > ------------------------------
> > And then gas prices dropped and everything was forgotten.
> > ------------------------------
> >> If the government is behind the alternative fuel BS you know that is n=
ot
> >> worth the time invested.
> > ------------------------------
> > Interesting obversation.
> > -------------------------------
> >> Remember gasihol, =A0a total wash at best.
> > -----------------------------
> > Wonder how ethanol mgot developed?
> > -------------------------------------
> >> Untill we actually run out of oil there will be no serious drive for
> >> another source of energy.
> > ---------------------------------
> > Might be a good idea to have alternates developed, don't you think?
>
> Absolutely but oil and gasoline is still much too cheap to make much of a=
ny
> thing else attractive.
Although, ultimately, a finite product, there's a lot of still to be
had. You might have to bump off a regime or two to get it, but there's
lots out there.
In article <[email protected]>, Lew
Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
Come north for a visit, Lew. We've had gas in that range for a long
time. Yet our economy seems to be doing better than yours...
> Noticed the cost of food lately?
Some of the subsidies coming off down there? About time.
> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
One of them. How come the US isn't doing it on US soil?
Or building nuclear plants?
> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
Well, it's probably not to defend Israel any more...
In article <[email protected]>, J.
Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Noticed the cost of food lately?
> >
> > Some of the subsidies coming off down there? About time.
>
> Actually has more to do with gasohol than with subsidies.
That's nonsense. It has to do with protectionism, keeping up with
European farm subsidies, and intruding into developing economies.
In article <[email protected]>, J.
Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <210220110844540303%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>,
> dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca says...
> >
> > In article <[email protected]>, J.
> > Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Noticed the cost of food lately?
> > > >
> > > > Some of the subsidies coming off down there? About time.
> > >
> > > Actually has more to do with gasohol than with subsidies.
> >
> > That's nonsense. It has to do with protectionism, keeping up with
> > European farm subsidies, and intruding into developing economies.
>
> All of that makes food more expensive? Do tell.
Removing gummint subsidies makes things cheaper? Do tell.
In article <[email protected]>,
EXT <[email protected]> wrote:
> Here in Canada, where we have all the oil sands and export most to the US,
> gasoline in Ontario costs $1.15 per litre, at 4 litres per gallon, that is
> $4.60 per gallon. Don't complain about $3.00 to $4.00 a gallon because that
> is a bargain, and it is probably made from the same Canadian oil that our
> overpriced gas is made from.
And two summers back it was $1.45/litre...
On Feb 28, 11:50=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:39:51 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
> >How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
> >Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
> >You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
> >Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
> >Lew
>
> It was $4.83 per US gallon here in Ontario Canada last night. Compared
> to $3.39 accross the border in New York
I only buy fuel in Port Huron, MI these days. The bridge-toll is off-
set by the price difference in a 12-pack of Erdinger Weissbier alone.
<G>
It was a little awkward to pull up behind the Jag of Sarnia Chamber Of
Commerce's president at a Port Huron gas station some time ago.
I pretended not to see him. He appreciated my effort. LOL. (Although
he owes me a round.)
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>>
>> In the last 30 years I have not once felt the effect of a gasoline
>> shortage. I have not seen a gas line except when hurricane Rita
>> threatened Houston a 6 years ago. If there were truely shortates we
>> would see lines at the pump, basically we would actually see
>> shortages. The media is what sets every thing up for the refineries
>> to raise prices.
>
> You must have been asleep during the Carter years (was that thirty years
> ago?).
>
> But you're right. There is no shortage of gasoline, only a shortage of
> CHEAP gasoline.
>
> As demand goes down, supply increases and prices drop. When prices rise,
> demand falls off.
Supply may increase a bit but gasoline does have a shelf life and if kept
stored too long will deteriorate.
On Feb 22, 11:53=A0am, "EXT" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > "EXT" =A0wrote in message
>
> >> Here in Canada, where we have all the oil sands and export most to the
> >> US, gasoline in Ontario costs $1.15 per litre, at 4 litres per gallon,
> >> that is $4.60 per gallon. Don't complain about $3.00 to $4.00 a gallon
> >> because that is a bargain, and it is probably made from the same Canad=
ian
> >> oil that our overpriced gas is made from.
>
> > Apparently that "free" health care has to be paid for somehow, who knew=
?
>
> Healthcare is NOT free. In Ontario, all employers have to pay a premium f=
or
> each employee, and each employee has to pay a premium for healthcare that=
is
> added on to the annual income tax total.
What about health care for someone who isn't employed - is that free?
R
On Feb 22, 9:11=A0am, "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >> One of them. How come the US isn't doing it on US soil?
> > -----------------------------------
> > $. Never let it be said the oil industry isn't a greedy bunch. Off shor=
e
> > is lower cost than revisiting US existing fields.
>
> > New fields would require safety costs big oil would just rather avoid.
> > ----------------------------------
>
> =A0 =A0 Sorry, Lew, but I've seen just the opposite. =A0They are drilling=
aplenty,
> all over South Texas. =A0You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a dri=
lling
> rig. =A0Eagle Ford Shale is absolutely in play.
> =A0 =A0 Every morning [during hunting season] when I climbed up in my tri=
-pod in
> the dark I could count five or six lighted rigs not to mention three or f=
our
> gas flares from recently completed sites, some as close as a half mile.
> Over the course of the season the locations would change as three to four
> weeks There are tank batteries and pipelines being built and the county
> roads and blacktops are going to hell because of the heavy truck traffic.
> Six or eight inch sectioned aluminum piping runs up and down county roads
> pumping brazillions of gallons of water to 'frac' wells that have complet=
ed
> the drilling portion of the operation. =A0Loads by the score of base mate=
rial
> for all-weather road access and five-acre pad sites are a real hazard on =
the
> dirt county roads.
> =A0 =A0 $90 and $100 and up/barrel is plenty of incentive for the majors =
to jump
> in. =A0Even the Chinese ponied up several billions, buying a substantial =
share
> of Chesapeake's stake in the Eagle Ford
> =A0 =A0 You're right, the oil industry is greedy but so are farmers/ranch=
ers who
> are getting $4500/acre [and up] bonus money for leases and as much as 1/4
> royalty at the well head. =A0I'm seeing LOTS of new John Deere tractors a=
nd
> new implements. =A0And, new trucks; you see lots of new trucks parked at =
the
> drilling sites. =A0Money is absolutely flowing.
>
> Dave in Houston
My hometown is largely based on petro-chemica industry. (And bananas)
I can't count how many oil guys I know who are very much in demand to
drill, build related industries all over Canada.
But the oil companies know a good thing when they see it: a conflict
in Egypt.."Hey let's screw over our customers with a price hike" even
though the actual amount of oil going through the Suez Canal is a mere
pittance of what we need here.
Ahhh yes, that good-ol' fear-driven marketing strategy, works in
politics too."LOOK OUT!! A boogaboo under your bed!!!"
"George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>
>> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>>
>> Noticed the cost of food lately?
>>
>> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>>
>> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>>
>> Lew
>
>
> Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
>
> We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
>
Here in Canada, where we have all the oil sands and export most to the US,
gasoline in Ontario costs $1.15 per litre, at 4 litres per gallon, that is
$4.60 per gallon. Don't complain about $3.00 to $4.00 a gallon because that
is a bargain, and it is probably made from the same Canadian oil that our
overpriced gas is made from.
"Leon" wrote:
> I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was
> $2.89, what are you guys in California willing to pay?
---------------------------------------
Depends on location.
87 octane at Chevron varies from about $3.55 to $3.85/gal based on
location which puts premium north of $4/gal.
Arco, a BP unit, operates on cash & carry basis, at $0.10-$0.15/gal
less.
Based on your numbers looks like TX likes low fuel prices which
shouldn't come as any surprise.
Personally I'd like to see $6-8/gal gasoline, the sooner the better.
It just might get some serious alternate energy research off the
ground.
Nothing like a pocket book issue to get your attention.
Lew
"Dave Balderstone" wrote:
> Come north for a visit, Lew.
---------------------------
Thanks for the invite; however, long time ago I learned to limit my
visits north to Jul 1 thru Aug 15, and then only if the mosquitoes
file flight plans<g>
------------------------------
> We've had gas in that range for a long
> time. Yet our economy seems to be doing better than yours...
------------------
Not to belabor the point, but what is the population of Canada these
days, 33-35 million maybe?
Small problem of scale with US population pushing 310 million, and
even my
adopted state of California is pushing 38 million.
-------------------------------
>> Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
> Some of the subsidies coming off down there? About time.
---------------------------------
Try some basic market factors at work.
Increased fuel costs dramatically increase production and
transportation costs of food.
Increased demand due to the poorest citizens of the world are
beginning
to be able to buy some food.
World wheat crop shortages that have occurred do to weather problems
induced by a warmer earth.
Drought in Russia and flooding in Australia have caused a shortfall in
the
world's wheat supply.
Can't comment on the rice and soy bean crops.
---------------------------------
>> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
> One of them. How come the US isn't doing it on US soil?
-----------------------------------
$. Never let it be said the oil industry isn't a greedy bunch. Off
shore is lower cost than revisiting US existing fields.
New fields would require safety costs big oil would just rather avoid.
----------------------------------
> Or building nuclear plants?
----------------------------
I'm all for it as soon as they can solve the half life problem. Yucca
mountain is not an acceptable answer IMHO.
-----------------------------
>> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
> Well, it's probably not to defend Israel any more...
---------------------------------
Woke up and found someone had crapped in your flat hat I see.
Let's see, what percentage of the world's oil is shipped thru the Suez
Canal these days, he asks?
Lew
"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "EXT" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> Here in Canada, where we have all the oil sands and export most to the
>> US, gasoline in Ontario costs $1.15 per litre, at 4 litres per gallon,
>> that is $4.60 per gallon. Don't complain about $3.00 to $4.00 a gallon
>> because that is a bargain, and it is probably made from the same Canadian
>> oil that our overpriced gas is made from.
>
> Apparently that "free" health care has to be paid for somehow, who knew?
Healthcare is NOT free. In Ontario, all employers have to pay a premium for
each employee, and each employee has to pay a premium for healthcare that is
added on to the annual income tax total.
"Dave In Texas" wrote:
> Sorry, Lew, but I've seen just the opposite. They are drilling
> aplenty, all over South Texas. You can't swing a dead cat without
> hitting a drilling rig. Eagle Ford Shale is absolutely in play.
> Every morning [during hunting season] when I climbed up in my
> tri-pod in the dark I could count five or six lighted rigs not to
> mention three or four gas flares from recently completed sites, some
> as close as a half mile. Over the course of the season the locations
> would change as three to four weeks There are tank batteries and
> pipelines being built and the county roads and blacktops are going
> to hell because of the heavy truck traffic. Six or eight inch
> sectioned aluminum piping runs up and down county roads pumping
> brazillions of gallons of water to 'frac' wells that have completed
> the drilling portion of the operation. Loads by the score of base
> material for all-weather road access and five-acre pad sites are a
> real hazard on the dirt county roads.
> $90 and $100 and up/barrel is plenty of incentive for the majors
> to jump in. Even the Chinese ponied up several billions, buying a
> substantial share of Chesapeake's stake in the Eagle Ford
> You're right, the oil industry is greedy but so are
> farmers/ranchers who are getting $4500/acre [and up] bonus money for
> leases and as much as 1/4 royalty at the well head. I'm seeing LOTS
> of new John Deere tractors and new implements. And, new trucks; you
> see lots of new trucks parked at the drilling sites. Money is
> absolutely flowing.
-------------------------------------------
I've got to stop making all these "glittering generalities". <G>
Let's start over.
The big boys are no longer involved with a lot of existing fields in
the US, they have sold off those drilling rights and moved on,
pocketing the easy money.
They are sitting on the development of existing leases they have,
lobbying to get total control of all available drilling areas.
(Think deep well, offshore in the Atlantic, Pacific, as well as the
Gulf for examples).
The existing fields, sold off by the big boys, being operated by the
2nd or 3rd level players are another thing.
These companies can afford to put down another well in a known field
at even $65-$75/bbl.
That is also going on all over SoCal, and while it puts a few bucks in
some people's pockets, it does little to address our energy problems.
Lew
"Leon" wrote:
> Not to mention the refinerys that go down for maintence or repairs.
> The local news paper tells us how this particular refinery in
> Oklahoma being down is going to affect the price of gasoline because
> of it not producing. BS! Any one refinery produces the "drop in the
> bucket" in the grands scheme of things.
--------------------------------
As Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy and he is us".
Major part of the problem is the size and patch work list of gasoline
blends legislated across the country, often changing as a function of
time of year.
A refinery does a "turn around" to set up the refinery to produce a
list of products and do maintenance.
This can happen several times a year.
Problem is, the market has become so segmented that it is not
profitable or even possible for more than one or two refineries to
produce the same products at the same time.
The result is an unexpected interruption of production can't be
covered by another refinery.
There simply is no real off line spare capacity.
There will never again, or should there be IMHO, another "grass roots"
refinery built in this country.
Economics have made sure of the above, which is all the more reason to
pursue development of alternate energy sources.
Lew
"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "EXT" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>>> Apparently that "free" health care has to be paid for somehow, who knew?
>
>> Healthcare is NOT free. In Ontario, all employers have to pay a premium
>> for each employee, and each employee has to pay a premium for healthcare
>> that is added on to the annual income tax total.
>
> Of course, that was my point, that sooner or later, one way or another,
> you pay for it.
Right, but so many US residents (particularly far right Republicans) seem to
be convinced that Healthcare is provided free to everyone. Yes, children and
those who cannot work are covered at no cost to themselves, just the same as
police protection, fire fighters and other services that are paid out of tax
revenues. Not everything is covered, there are still many procedures,
services or treatments that must be paid for by those requesting them.
"Dave In Texas" wrote:
> What I think is that the higher the price of a gallon of regular
> goes the more ways the gullible audience looks to save a little here
> and there.
-------------------------------------
Meanwhile serious alternate energy development languishes.
How high does the price of oil have to go before we say "ENOUGH"?
Lew
I wrote:
>> Meanwhile serious alternate energy development languishes.
>>
>> How high does the price of oil have to go before we say "ENOUGH"?
-------------------------------------
"Dave In Texas" wrote:
> As a country? I wish there was an easy answer to that. As a
> country we're spread out unlike most of Europe. Myself, I regularly
> drive between my home in NW Houston and another house we have SE of
> San Antonio and often back and forth between there and a ranch
> another 30 miles SE. If I hunt both morning and evening on a given
> day I'm liable to return the 30 miles back to the house to take care
> of some pressing issue and then back to the ranch for the afternoon
> sit. That's 120 miles for two round trips. My soon-to-be 10
> year-old F250 7.3 Power Stroke (230k miles) gets 17 mpg on a good
> day (keep it at 70, flat terrain with a tailwind). I would gladly
> drive a Tacoma-sized P/U if Toyota would only give us a 3.5 or 4
> liter diesel - make it a diesel hybrid. I'd love to get 26 or 28
> mpg. But, in the meantime, how would you propose I/we wean
> myself/ourselves from fossil fuels? I'm willing to alter my
> lifestyle to a certain extent but I still have the need to move
> materials or tow a tandem axle trailer and tractor or sacks of feed
> or fencing material or dead deer(!).
> Just like health care, some on the lower end of the economic
> scale, a growing demographic, may well get priced out of the market.
--------------------------------------
IMHO, you do not represent "low hanging fruit".
There are much easier opportunities with greater ROI.
For example, in NYC there are a lot of buildings with flat black
roofs.
I forget the details, but a simple coat of white paint would increase
the reflectivity so that summer air conditioning load is dramatically
reduced at minimal cost thus reducing electrical consumption.
It's a little thing but it has a measurable impact and there are a lot
of flat black roofs in this country.
Start a program to upgrade the insulation of our buildings including
replacing windows.
A program like that could get the construction industry healthy in a
hurry and be paid for with power savings..
Here in Los Angeles, the entire public bus system has been converted
to natural gas. It took 18 years, but it got done.
It's a 2-fr, reduced pollution and lower energy costs.
Start converting the 18 wheeler fleet from #2 diesel to natural gas
including a network of refueling stations.
Might take 20 years, but so what?
Here in California we are blessed to have all the following forms of
alternate energy generation.
Geo Thermal electrical generation.
Direct solar photo voltaic electrical generation.
Solar-thermal-turbine electrical generation.
Hydro-electric electrical generation.
Bio-mass electrical generation.
Wind mill power generation.
This does not include the little box eBay is using for a big piece of
their power requirements.
None of these methods are free standing, but they all reduce the
fossil fuel load which reduces our balance of payments issue.
They also give us some time to develop better personal transportation
methods which is where your F250 comes in..
There are ways out of this problem.
Bitching about the cost of gas while filling up isn't one of them.
Lew
"Leon" wrote:
> I recall all this alternative energy stuff going out of controll
> when gasoline prices/ oil prices went up in the mid 70's.
------------------------------
And then gas prices dropped and everything was forgotten.
------------------------------
> If the government is behind the alternative fuel BS you know that is
> not worth the time invested.
------------------------------
Interesting obversation.
-------------------------------
> Remember gasihol, a total wash at best.
-----------------------------
Wonder how ethanol mgot developed?
-------------------------------------
> Untill we actually run out of oil there will be no serious drive for
> another source of energy.
---------------------------------
Might be a good idea to have alternates developed, don't you think?
Lew
-
I wrote:
>> Might be a good idea to have alternates developed, don't you think?
------------------------------------
"Leon" wrote:
>
> Absolutely but oil and gasoline is still much too cheap to make much
> of any thing else attractive.
-----------------------------------
Sorry but there are already alternate sources of energy available that
are cost effective vs fossil fuels at less than $4/gal.
The cost of gasoline today does not reflect the total cost of
gasoline, but that is an accounting problem.
As a nation, we just have to get up off our dead and dying and get
started solving our energy independance opportunity.
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4d669a60$0$29569
[email protected]:
> Sorry but there are already alternate sources of energy available that
> are cost effective vs fossil fuels at less than $4/gal.
>
> The cost of gasoline today does not reflect the total cost of
> gasoline, but that is an accounting problem.
>
> As a nation, we just have to get up off our dead and dying and get
> started solving our energy independance opportunity.
>
> Lew
>
You know... if we could capture excess heat from various sources (houses,
cars, bigger electronics like computers) and turn it in to useful energy,
we'd be able to offset some of our energy needs.
I know... This is step 1 in the process:
1. Some idea
2. ???
3. Profit!
Puckdropper
"Puckdropper" wrote:
> You know... if we could capture excess heat from various sources
> (houses,
> cars, bigger electronics like computers) and turn it in to useful
> energy,
> we'd be able to offset some of our energy needs.
---------------------------
It is a very productive idea.
From a previous post:
-------------------------
Start a program to upgrade the insulation of our buildings including
replacing windows.
A program like that could get the construction industry healthy in a
hurry and be paid for with power savings..
-----------------------
SFWIW, I made a pretty decent living selling replacement indoor
lighting systems for industrial manufacturing buildings in the 1970s.
Back in those days, power cost was about $.02/KWH and you had two
years to recoup the investment.
It was a good investment under those conditions.
Can you imagine how much better an investment it is today?
Lew
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In the last 30 years I have not once felt the effect of a gasoline
> shortage. I have not seen a gas line except when hurricane Rita threatened
> Houston a 6 years ago. If there were truely shortates we would see lines
> at the pump, basically we would actually see shortages. The media is what
> sets every thing up for the refineries to raise prices.
The media ? Huh?
I'll have some of whatever it is that Leon's been smoking.
The media ?
Dave in Houston
On Feb 21, 10:16=A0pm, "George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Angela Sekeris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> news:[email protected]...
> On Feb 21, 1:20 am, "George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
> > > How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
> > > Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
> > > You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
> > > Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
> > > Lew
>
> > Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
>
> > We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
>
> 40 Oz gallon, right? (Imperial)
>
> *********************
>
> Don't quite follow that
40 0unce quarts...160 oz gallons as opposed to the US 32 ounce quarts.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
> Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
>Lew
We cannot drill for oil here because the powers that be are sitting on it,
waiting for $15 a gallon gas down the line. Plus, it would disturb the
striped slug, porcupine caribou mouse, Kanab pond snail, and spotted roufus
titcatcher.
And we can't have that.
We don't have a hell of a lot left, but we're sitting right on top of it in
our own country, and we won't go and get it. Seems like it's time to clean
house of tyrants and fertilize a few trees.
Let's get reasonable. Let's drive smaller, more efficient cars. Let's
insulate. Let's just plug the holes where we are using too much. That
would be a big start.
Or, we could wait for Barry to produce all those millions of "green jobs"
waiting somewhere mysteriously in the wings to be produced with all that
green money they must have lining the halls of Congress somewhere. (I do
wonder where all that money is stored.) Or continue spending it on
"studies" done by political supporters, teacher union types, and dope
smoking hippies doing studies on the sex habits of college freshmen. (I
applied for that, but was denied as being overqualified.) I'm thinking of
building an underground house. If I am going to end up living in a cave,
it's going to be a good one.
Steve
Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Download the book $10
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On Feb 22, 11:53=A0am, "EXT" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > "EXT" =A0wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> Here in Canada, where we have all the oil sands and export most to the
> >> US, gasoline in Ontario costs $1.15 per litre, at 4 litres per gallon,
> >> that is $4.60 per gallon. Don't complain about $3.00 to $4.00 a gallon
> >> because that is a bargain, and it is probably made from the same Canad=
ian
> >> oil that our overpriced gas is made from.
>
> > Apparently that "free" health care has to be paid for somehow, who knew=
?
>
> Healthcare is NOT free. In Ontario, all employers have to pay a premium f=
or
> each employee, and each employee has to pay a premium for healthcare that=
is
> added on to the annual income tax total.
You have been trolled. The discussion was about gas prices and Devvy
decided to toss in health care.
On Feb 21, 1:20=A0am, "George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
> > How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
> > Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
> > You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
> > Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
> > Lew
>
> Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
>
> We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
40 Oz gallon, right? (Imperial)
in 1492248 20110221 013951 "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
>How long before $5/gal gasoline.
It costs twice that in Europe yet is still cheaper than bottled water.
in 1492357 20110222 023941 Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon wrote:
>> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>>
>>> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>>
>> No sooner than we are willing to pay that price. The perceived supply and
>> demand really has no effect on gasoline prices so much as the other pricing
>> stratigy, "What The Market Will Bare". If we are stupid enough to pay high
>> prices they are certainly going to charge those prices.
>>
>> I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was $2.89,
>> what are you guys in California willing to pay?
>>
>
>I paid $3.03 (regular) in Indianapolis today, and I filled up feeling
>fortunate it wasn't higher. Considering "What The Market Will Bare"
>certainly is another aspect.. ; )
Naked gas station staff?
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
No sooner than we are willing to pay that price. The perceived supply and
demand really has no effect on gasoline prices so much as the other pricing
stratigy, "What The Market Will Bare". If we are stupid enough to pay high
prices they are certainly going to charge those prices.
I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was $2.89,
what are you guys in California willing to pay?
4.54 l per Imperial gallon
3.78 l per US gallon. (French sucked them in to a standard and then
changed...again)
That would make it $5.22 per Imperial gallon
$4.34 per US gallon.
The US just needs to get a bigger gallon or change to metric (as they
started in '55) and cut their unit price by almost a factor of 4.
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"George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"EXT" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Here in Canada, where we have all the oil sands and export most to the US,
gasoline in Ontario costs $1.15 per litre, at 4 litres per gallon, that is
$4.60 per gallon. Don't complain about $3.00 to $4.00 a gallon because that
is a bargain, and it is probably made from the same Canadian oil that our
overpriced gas is made from.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Feb 21, 10:16 pm, "George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Angela Sekeris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Feb 21, 1:20 am, "George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
> > > How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
> > > Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
> > > You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
> > > Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
> > > Lew
>
> > Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
>
> > We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
>
> 40 Oz gallon, right? (Imperial)
>
> *********************
>
> Don't quite follow that
40 0unce quarts...160 oz gallons as opposed to the US 32 ounce quarts.
******************
Okay, now I understand it all
It's just that you lot over there speak a foriegn language and it needs to
be interpreted
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Personally I'd like to see $6-8/gal gasoline, the sooner the better.
>
> It just might get some serious alternate energy research off the ground.
>
> Nothing like a pocket book issue to get your attention.
True, but....
It will also mean many will have to get another extra vehicle. You can't
tow a 21 foot runabout with a Volkswagen turbo diesel. You can't pull a
bobcat or backhoe with one, either. Nor can you carry much mulch or gravel
in a mini pickup, and a larger vehicle will be necessary to tote a new set
of cabinets to their owner.
Factor in everyone paying more for _everything_ when fuel goes significantly
higher. In the US, virtually everything a person buys has traveled by
truck.
--
Jim in NC
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
> Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
> Lew
Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
Mike Marlow wrote:
> HeyBub wrote:
>
>>
>> When I was a cop, we put between 200 and 300 miles on the car in an
>> 8-hour shift. During the Carter oil fiasco, we parked and put maybe
>> 50 miles on the patrol car each night. Ate a lot of donuts...
>>
>
> You must have been a in a rural area to have put those miles on in a
> shift. I thought you were a NYC cop - must have misunderstood.
No, I was a deputy sheriff in Harris County Texas (which surrounds Houston).
The department has primary police responsibility for more citizens than any
of the other 253 counties in the state, about 3 million, even though we
don't do anything inside the thirty-odd cities within the county.
Total patrol area is about 1,000 sq miles.
Leon wrote:
>
> In the last 30 years I have not once felt the effect of a gasoline
> shortage. I have not seen a gas line except when hurricane Rita
> threatened Houston a 6 years ago. If there were truely shortates we
> would see lines at the pump, basically we would actually see
> shortages. The media is what sets every thing up for the refineries
> to raise prices.
You must have been asleep during the Carter years (was that thirty years
ago?).
But you're right. There is no shortage of gasoline, only a shortage of CHEAP
gasoline.
As demand goes down, supply increases and prices drop. When prices rise,
demand falls off.
A city government can cut its gasoline supply by a significant amount by
simply parking its police cars instead of them patrolling around. They
answer calls, of course, but no more cruising.
When I was a cop, we put between 200 and 300 miles on the car in an 8-hour
shift. During the Carter oil fiasco, we parked and put maybe 50 miles on the
patrol car each night. Ate a lot of donuts...
Individual citizens make the same trade-offs.
"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Yes, Americans have weird views of Canadian health care. Few of them
> actually know how it works, yet half of them think it's a "free" health
> care paradise, and the other half think it's flaming socialism with
> year-long waits to get a bandaid.
For once, I agree with you 100%.
In article <210220110727372092%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>,
dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca says...
>
> In article <[email protected]>, Lew
> Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Continued unrest in the MidEast.
> >
> > How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
> Come north for a visit, Lew. We've had gas in that range for a long
> time. Yet our economy seems to be doing better than yours...
For certain values of "better".
> > Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
> Some of the subsidies coming off down there? About time.
Actually has more to do with gasohol than with subsidies.
> > You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
> One of them. How come the US isn't doing it on US soil?
Where?
> Or building nuclear plants?
Protesters. Why isn't Canuckistan building rows of them along the
border to sell cheap nuclear power to the US market like the French have
done with Italy and are likely to start doing with Germany soon?
> > Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
> Well, it's probably not to defend Israel any more...
Defend Israel from _what_? The last time there was a credible danger to
Israel was some time in the '50s.
In article <210220110844540303%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>,
dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca says...
>
> In article <[email protected]>, J.
> Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Noticed the cost of food lately?
> > >
> > > Some of the subsidies coming off down there? About time.
> >
> > Actually has more to do with gasohol than with subsidies.
>
> That's nonsense. It has to do with protectionism, keeping up with
> European farm subsidies, and intruding into developing economies.
All of that makes food more expensive? Do tell.
The problem, which is well publicized, is that the US is encouraging the
incorporation of ethanol into gasoline, and farmers have discovered that
they can get higher prices for crops raised to be turned into ethanol
than they can for crops raised to be sold as food, hence significant
amounts of acreage are going to the production of ethanol and food
prices rise accordingly as supply is lessened.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Dave In Texas" wrote:
>
>> What I think is that the higher the price of a gallon of regular goes the
>> more ways the gullible audience looks to save a little here and there.
>
> -------------------------------------
> Meanwhile serious alternate energy development languishes.
>
> How high does the price of oil have to go before we say "ENOUGH"?
As a country? I wish there was an easy answer to that. As a country
we're spread out unlike most of Europe. Myself, I regularly drive between
my home in NW Houston and another house we have SE of San Antonio and often
back and forth between there and a ranch another 30 miles SE. If I hunt
both morning and evening on a given day I'm liable to return the 30 miles
back to the house to take care of some pressing issue and then back to the
ranch for the afternoon sit. That's 120 miles for two round trips. My
soon-to-be 10 year-old F250 7.3 Power Stroke (230k miles) gets 17 mpg on a
good day (keep it at 70, flat terrain with a tailwind). I would gladly
drive a Tacoma-sized P/U if Toyota would only give us a 3.5 or 4 liter
diesel - make it a diesel hybrid. I'd love to get 26 or 28 mpg. But, in
the meantime, how would you propose I/we wean myself/ourselves from fossil
fuels? I'm willing to alter my lifestyle to a certain extent but I still
have the need to move materials or tow a tandem axle trailer and tractor or
sacks of feed or fencing material or dead deer(!).
Just like health care, some on the lower end of the economic scale, a
growing demographic, may well get priced out of the market.
Dave in Houston
Leon wrote:
>
> Not to mention the refinerys that go down for maintence or repairs. The
> local news paper tells us how this particular refinery in
> Oklahoma being down is going to affect the price of gasoline because
> of it not producing. BS! Any one refinery produces the "drop in the
> bucket" in the grands scheme of things.
It DOES make a difference. Virtually all U.S. refineries are operating at
100% capacity. When one goes offline, the effects are almost always felt.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> Not to mention the refinerys that go down for maintence or repairs. The
>> local news paper tells us how this particular refinery in Oklahoma being
>> down is going to affect the price of gasoline because of it not
>> producing. BS! Any one refinery produces the "drop in the bucket" in the
>> grands scheme of things.
> --------------------------------
> As Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy and he is us".
>
> Major part of the problem is the size and patch work list of gasoline
> blends legislated across the country, often changing as a function of time
> of year.
>
> A refinery does a "turn around" to set up the refinery to produce a list
> of products and do maintenance.
>
> This can happen several times a year.
>
> Problem is, the market has become so segmented that it is not profitable
> or even possible for more than one or two refineries to produce the same
> products at the same time.
>
> The result is an unexpected interruption of production can't be covered by
> another refinery.
But the falicy with that popular explanation is that there is no supply
shortage because of that interruption. I have not seen a gas line since the
early 80's. I'm still not drinking the KoolAid.
>
> There simply is no real off line spare capacity.
>
> There will never again, or should there be IMHO, another "grass roots"
> refinery built in this country.
>
> Economics have made sure of the above, which is all the more reason to
> pursue development of alternate energy sources.
The only valid reason to find alternative energy sources is to increase the
competition. Remember about 10 years ago when all the oil companies began
to merge? They were essentially eliminating 1/2 the competition and through
loop holes and alternative means came up with a creative way to price fix.
"EXT" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> Apparently that "free" health care has to be paid for somehow, who knew?
> Healthcare is NOT free. In Ontario, all employers have to pay a premium
> for each employee, and each employee has to pay a premium for healthcare
> that is added on to the annual income tax total.
Of course, that was my point, that sooner or later, one way or another, you
pay for it.
Wow! NO. U.S. aloneness, in measurement, education is needed.
US gallon has 128 ounces
Imp gallon has 160 ounces.
Ratio is of Imperial to US gallons is aprox 6 : 5 by volume.
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"Angela Sekeris" wrote in message
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40 Oz gallon, right? (Imperial)
On Feb 21, 1:20 am, "George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
> > How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
> > Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
> > You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
> > Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
> > Lew
>
> Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
>
> We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
"Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> In the last 30 years I have not once felt the effect of a gasoline
>> shortage. I have not seen a gas line except when hurricane Rita
>> threatened Houston a 6 years ago. If there were truely shortates we
>> would see lines at the pump, basically we would actually see shortages.
>> The media is what sets every thing up for the refineries to raise prices.
>
>
> The media ? Huh?
> I'll have some of whatever it is that Leon's been smoking.
>
> The media ?
>
> Dave in Houston
You have not caught on to that yet??? The media sensationalizes everything,
then the gullible audience buys into that and,,, the oil industry benefits
from that, unless they are spilling oil.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:52:26 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Puckdropper" wrote:
>
>> You know... if we could capture excess heat from various sources
>> (houses,
>> cars, bigger electronics like computers) and turn it in to useful
>> energy,
>> we'd be able to offset some of our energy needs.
>---------------------------
>It is a very productive idea.
>
>From a previous post:
>-------------------------
>Start a program to upgrade the insulation of our buildings including
>replacing windows.
>
>A program like that could get the construction industry healthy in a
>hurry and be paid for with power savings..
You snooze, you lose. The gov't, in its infinite wisdom, has pretty
much phased out energy retrofit grants as of this year.
>-----------------------
>
>SFWIW, I made a pretty decent living selling replacement indoor
>lighting systems for industrial manufacturing buildings in the 1970s.
>
>Back in those days, power cost was about $.02/KWH and you had two
>years to recoup the investment.
>
>It was a good investment under those conditions.
>
>Can you imagine how much better an investment it is today?
Now if we can just get those LED makers to reduce the prices of the
new LED fixtures...
--
"Human nature itself is evermore an advocate for liberty.
There is also in human nature a resentment of injury, and
indignation against wrong. A love of truth and a veneration
of virtue. These amiable passions, are the latent spark. If
the people are capable of understanding, seeing and feeling
the differences between true and false, right and wrong,
virtue and vice, to what better principle can the friends of
mankind apply than to the sense of this difference?"
--John Adams
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
## Nah. Muslims killing Muslims is the norm.
>
> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
## Dunno. Right now, at ~$3/gallon it's still cheaper than at anytime since
1918 (with one exception under Carter)
>
> Noticed the cost of food lately?
## Uh, no. Big Macs still cost the same as they did last year.
>
> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
## Everything's got to be somewhere.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4d61c266$0$10707
[email protected]:
> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
> Noticed the cost of food lately?
> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
> Lew
Just for fun.
In Holland regular (euro 95) is 1.579 per liter
(at a BP station in Wageningen, so probably could be had for a little less)
1.00 =$1.3572
gas is 1.3572*1.579=$2.1430188 per liter
1 US gallon = 3.78 liter
In Holland 1 gallon of regular costs $8.10
Have a happy Tuesday ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"EXT" wrote in message
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> Here in Canada, where we have all the oil sands and export most to the US,
> gasoline in Ontario costs $1.15 per litre, at 4 litres per gallon, that is
> $4.60 per gallon. Don't complain about $3.00 to $4.00 a gallon because
> that is a bargain, and it is probably made from the same Canadian oil that
> our overpriced gas is made from.
Apparently that "free" health care has to be paid for somehow, who knew?
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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My hometown is largely based on petro-chemica industry. (And bananas)
I can't count how many oil guys I know who are very much in demand to
drill, build related industries all over Canada.
But the oil companies know a good thing when they see it: a conflict
in Egypt.."Hey let's screw over our customers with a price hike" even
though the actual amount of oil going through the Suez Canal is a mere
pittance of what we need here.
Ahhh yes, that good-ol' fear-driven marketing strategy, works in
politics too."LOOK OUT!! A boogaboo under your bed!!!"
Not to mention the refinerys that go down for maintence or repairs. The
local news paper tells us how this particular refinery in Oklahoma being
down is going to affect the price of gasoline because of it not producing.
BS! Any one refinery produces the "drop in the bucket" in the grands scheme
of things.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> One of them. How come the US isn't doing it on US soil?
> -----------------------------------
> $. Never let it be said the oil industry isn't a greedy bunch. Off shore
> is lower cost than revisiting US existing fields.
>
> New fields would require safety costs big oil would just rather avoid.
> ----------------------------------
Sorry, Lew, but I've seen just the opposite. They are drilling aplenty,
all over South Texas. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a drilling
rig. Eagle Ford Shale is absolutely in play.
Every morning [during hunting season] when I climbed up in my tri-pod in
the dark I could count five or six lighted rigs not to mention three or four
gas flares from recently completed sites, some as close as a half mile.
Over the course of the season the locations would change as three to four
weeks There are tank batteries and pipelines being built and the county
roads and blacktops are going to hell because of the heavy truck traffic.
Six or eight inch sectioned aluminum piping runs up and down county roads
pumping brazillions of gallons of water to 'frac' wells that have completed
the drilling portion of the operation. Loads by the score of base material
for all-weather road access and five-acre pad sites are a real hazard on the
dirt county roads.
$90 and $100 and up/barrel is plenty of incentive for the majors to jump
in. Even the Chinese ponied up several billions, buying a substantial share
of Chesapeake's stake in the Eagle Ford
You're right, the oil industry is greedy but so are farmers/ranchers who
are getting $4500/acre [and up] bonus money for leases and as much as 1/4
royalty at the well head. I'm seeing LOTS of new John Deere tractors and
new implements. And, new trucks; you see lots of new trucks parked at the
drilling sites. Money is absolutely flowing.
Dave in Houston
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>>
>> Not to mention the refinerys that go down for maintence or repairs. The
>> local news paper tells us how this particular refinery in
>> Oklahoma being down is going to affect the price of gasoline because
>> of it not producing. BS! Any one refinery produces the "drop in the
>> bucket" in the grands scheme of things.
>
> It DOES make a difference. Virtually all U.S. refineries are operating at
> 100% capacity. When one goes offline, the effects are almost always felt.
>
In the last 30 years I have not once felt the effect of a gasoline shortage.
I have not seen a gas line except when hurricane Rita threatened Houston a 6
years ago. If there were truely shortates we would see lines at the pump,
basically we would actually see shortages. The media is what sets every
thing up for the refineries to raise prices.
HeyBub wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>> You must have been a in a rural area to have put those miles on in a
>> shift. I thought you were a NYC cop - must have misunderstood.
>
> No, I was a deputy sheriff in Harris County Texas (which surrounds
> Houston). The department has primary police responsibility for more
> citizens than any of the other 253 counties in the state, about 3
> million, even though we don't do anything inside the thirty-odd
> cities within the county.
> Total patrol area is about 1,000 sq miles.
Ok - I was only off by a little bit...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
HeyBub wrote:
>
> When I was a cop, we put between 200 and 300 miles on the car in an
> 8-hour shift. During the Carter oil fiasco, we parked and put maybe
> 50 miles on the patrol car each night. Ate a lot of donuts...
>
You must have been a in a rural area to have put those miles on in a shift.
I thought you were a NYC cop - must have misunderstood.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Feb 21, 2:33=A0pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "EXT" =A0wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Here in Canada, where we have all the oil sands and export most to the =
US,
> > gasoline in Ontario costs $1.15 per litre, at 4 litres per gallon, that=
is
> > $4.60 per gallon. Don't complain about $3.00 to $4.00 a gallon because
> > that is a bargain, and it is probably made from the same Canadian oil t=
hat
> > our overpriced gas is made from.
>
> Apparently that "free" health care has to be paid for somehow, who knew?
Troll!
...and with the Canuck buck being worth $1.03 US that brings it to $4.97 US
per US gallon.
--
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It was $4.83 per US gallon here in Ontario Canada last night. Compared
to $3.39 accross the border in New York
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:49ab34b4-2491-4f82-8337-3558c200b26a@t13g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> My hometown is largely based on petro-chemica industry. (And bananas)
> I can't count how many oil guys I know who are very much in demand to
> drill, build related industries all over Canada.
> But the oil companies know a good thing when they see it: a conflict
> in Egypt.."Hey let's screw over our customers with a price hike" even
> though the actual amount of oil going through the Suez Canal is a mere
> pittance of what we need here.
> Ahhh yes, that good-ol' fear-driven marketing strategy, works in
> politics too."LOOK OUT!! A boogaboo under your bed!!!"
>
>
> Not to mention the refinerys that go down for maintenance or repairs.
> The local news paper tells us how this particular refinery in Oklahoma
> being down is going to affect the price of gasoline because of it not
> producing. BS! Any one refinery produces the "drop in the bucket" in the
> grands scheme of things.
I have no doubt that the petroleum market is one of the [if not THE]
most manipulated commodities on the planet - think Enron. You have to
wonder if a lot of the volume isn't being traded back and forth between
brokers just to artificially inflate the price. And, you have to wonder
that if it costs less to produce a domestic barrel (shouldn't it?) why
producers still get the global price for a home grown barrel. Well, I guess
anybody can guess that.
As for refineries, the majors have been wailing for years about the
government regulations and red tape, not to mention the cost, of building
any new facilities. They also like to cite how the public is 'NIMBY.' And
I think that's BS. "Squeezing" the supply line helps to keep the price of
their inventory inflated. Then again, if BP wanted to build within 10 miles
of my home I'd cry NIMBY, as loud as the next guy.
Dave in Houston
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Dave In Texas" wrote:
>
>> What I think is that the higher the price of a gallon of regular goes the
>> more ways the gullible audience looks to save a little here and there.
>
> -------------------------------------
> Meanwhile serious alternate energy development languishes.
>
> How high does the price of oil have to go before we say "ENOUGH"?
>
> Lew
>
>
I recall all this alternative energy stuff going out of controll when
gasoline prices/ oil prices went up in the mid 70's. If the government is
behind the alternative fuel BS you know that is not worth the time invested.
Remember gasihol, a total wash at best. Untill we actually run out of oil
there will be no serious drive for another source of energy.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Untill we actually run out of oil there will be no serious drive for
>> another source of energy.
> ---------------------------------
> Might be a good idea to have alternates developed, don't you think?
>
Of course not.
When the government pours billions into anything like this under the guise
of "saving us all," one is quickly reminded of the soybean fiasco in "Atlas
Shrugged."
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:16:33 +1100, "George W Frost" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Angela Sekeris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>On Feb 21, 1:20 am, "George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>
>> > How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>>
>> > Noticed the cost of food lately?
>>
>> > You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>>
>> > Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>>
>> > Lew
>>
>> Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
>>
>> We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
>
>40 Oz gallon, right? (Imperial)
>
>*********************
>
>Don't quite follow that
He meant 40oz quart (160oz gallon). An imperial gallon is 160/128 (40/32 or
125%) of a US gallon.
>but the Imperial gallon is approximately 4.5 litres and just a little bit
>more
>the US gallon is 4 litres
>or thereabouts
>so, the US gallon divided by 4 equals 4 litres
>so, at $4.00 a gallon, brings you to the result of $1.00 per litre
>Regardless of how many litres are in an Imperial gallon, which by the way,
>we do not work with here in OZ, as we have progressed Dorothy and we work
>with metrics.
>and as we all know, the measurement of a litre does not differ wherever you
>live
>so, the cost of a litre of fuel, gas to you, petrol to us, fuel to others,
>here in OZ, is $1.50 a litre
>Bringing up to the conclusion that we pay 50% more for our fuel than what
>you do
>Then again, we do pay a lot more for our cars than you
>Do you call them cars over there ?
>
In article <[email protected]>, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
>How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
>Noticed the cost of food lately?
Due in large part to turning corn into fuel.
>
>You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
Well, yes, it is. When the supply of a product increases, the price decreases.
That's Economics 101.
Leon wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>
>> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
> No sooner than we are willing to pay that price. The perceived supply and
> demand really has no effect on gasoline prices so much as the other pricing
> stratigy, "What The Market Will Bare". If we are stupid enough to pay high
> prices they are certainly going to charge those prices.
>
> I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was $2.89,
> what are you guys in California willing to pay?
>
I paid $3.03 (regular) in Indianapolis today, and I filled up feeling
fortunate it wasn't higher. Considering "What The Market Will Bare"
certainly is another aspect.. ; )
Bill
On 2/22/2011 2:40 AM, Bob Martin wrote:
> in 1492357 20110222 023941 Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>>>
>>>> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>>>
>>> No sooner than we are willing to pay that price. The perceived supply and
>>> demand really has no effect on gasoline prices so much as the other pricing
>>> stratigy, "What The Market Will Bare". If we are stupid enough to pay high
>>> prices they are certainly going to charge those prices.
>>>
>>> I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was $2.89,
>>> what are you guys in California willing to pay?
>>>
>>
>> I paid $3.03 (regular) in Indianapolis today, and I filled up feeling
>> fortunate it wasn't higher. Considering "What The Market Will Bare"
>> certainly is another aspect.. ; )
>
> Naked gas station staff?
They might be a little more careful with that hot coffee, no? ; )
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" wrote:
>
> > I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was
> > $2.89, what are you guys in California willing to pay?
> ---------------------------------------
> Depends on location.
>
> 87 octane at Chevron varies from about $3.55 to $3.85/gal based on
> location which puts premium north of $4/gal.
>
> Arco, a BP unit, operates on cash & carry basis, at $0.10-$0.15/gal
> less.
>
> Based on your numbers looks like TX likes low fuel prices which
> shouldn't come as any surprise.
>
> Personally I'd like to see $6-8/gal gasoline, the sooner the better.
You think like Obama, with the same flaw. Alternate energy is fine, but we
need oil now to function. Drilling bans and sluggish permitting plus EPA
regs and crap like that has made us to be more dependent on foreign oil. So
do renewable work, but don't kill us until then!
>
> It just might get some serious alternate energy research off the
> ground.
Please send some of your own money from your own bank account to Washington
D.C. And also donate to programs to teach street people to install
Chinese-made solar panels to give a great boost to our economy.
>
> Nothing like a pocket book issue to get your attention.
Damn right!
>
> Lew
>
have a nice day, woodstuff
"EXT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>>
>>> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>>>
>>> Noticed the cost of food lately?
>>>
>>> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>>>
>>> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>
>>
>> Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
>>
>> We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
>>
>
> Here in Canada, where we have all the oil sands and export most to the US,
> gasoline in Ontario costs $1.15 per litre, at 4 litres per gallon, that is
> $4.60 per gallon. Don't complain about $3.00 to $4.00 a gallon because
> that is a bargain, and it is probably made from the same Canadian oil that
> our overpriced gas is made from.
The difference is, of course, TAXES. You guys have to pay for Nanny somehow.
--
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wonder why you let them Practice on You?
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7a69d4d8-da3d-4531-b878-0c96481f1725@u12g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 11:53 am, "EXT" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > "EXT" wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> Here in Canada, where we have all the oil sands and export most to the
> >> US, gasoline in Ontario costs $1.15 per litre, at 4 litres per gallon,
> >> that is $4.60 per gallon. Don't complain about $3.00 to $4.00 a gallon
> >> because that is a bargain, and it is probably made from the same
> >> Canadian
> >> oil that our overpriced gas is made from.
>
> > Apparently that "free" health care has to be paid for somehow, who knew?
>
> Healthcare is NOT free. In Ontario, all employers have to pay a premium
> for
> each employee, and each employee has to pay a premium for healthcare that
> is
> added on to the annual income tax total.
You have been trolled. The discussion was about gas prices and Devvy
decided to toss in health care.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The primary difference among prices for gasoline is taxes.
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"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:210220111104453796%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, J.
> Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <210220110844540303%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>,
>> dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca says...
>> >
>> > In article <[email protected]>, J.
>> > Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > Noticed the cost of food lately?
>> > > >
>> > > > Some of the subsidies coming off down there? About time.
>> > >
>> > > Actually has more to do with gasohol than with subsidies.
>> >
>> > That's nonsense. It has to do with protectionism, keeping up with
>> > European farm subsidies, and intruding into developing economies.
>>
>> All of that makes food more expensive? Do tell.
>
> Removing gummint subsidies makes things cheaper? Do tell.
When people are subsides to Not produce, yes.
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wonder why you let them Practice on You?
"Bob Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> in 1492357 20110222 023941 Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Leon wrote:
>>> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>>>
>>>> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>>>
>>> No sooner than we are willing to pay that price. The perceived supply
>>> and
>>> demand really has no effect on gasoline prices so much as the other
>>> pricing
>>> stratigy, "What The Market Will Bare". If we are stupid enough to pay
>>> high
>>> prices they are certainly going to charge those prices.
>>>
>>> I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was $2.89,
>>> what are you guys in California willing to pay?
>>>
>>
>>I paid $3.03 (regular) in Indianapolis today, and I filled up feeling
>>fortunate it wasn't higher. Considering "What The Market Will Bare"
>>certainly is another aspect.. ; )
>
> Naked gas station staff?
Moon Over Mobil
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wonder why you let them Practice on You?
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:15:41 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Ahhh yes, that good-ol' fear-driven marketing strategy, works in
>politics too."LOOK OUT!! A boogaboo under your bed!!!"
Of course the Chicago Board of Trade people love it.
Mark
In article <[email protected]>, Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
>Indiana pump price did not include the taxes back in the past. Perhaps
>a hoosier can enlighten me if that is still the case, I believe that
>changed.
Indiana pump prices have always included applicable state and Federal gasoline
taxes. Through the late 1970s, maybe into the early 1980s, the pump price did
not include state sales tax. I don't remember exactly when it changed, but our
pump prices have included all taxes, including state sales tax, for
approximately thirty years.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was
>> $2.89, what are you guys in California willing to pay?
> ---------------------------------------
> Depends on location.
>
> 87 octane at Chevron varies from about $3.55 to $3.85/gal based on
> location which puts premium north of $4/gal.
>
> Arco, a BP unit, operates on cash & carry basis, at $0.10-$0.15/gal
> less.
>
> Based on your numbers looks like TX likes low fuel prices which
> shouldn't come as any surprise.
## Part of the difference is tax: California's is $46.6/gallon, Texas is
$0.20.
>
> Personally I'd like to see $6-8/gal gasoline, the sooner the better.
>
> It just might get some serious alternate energy research off the
> ground.
>
> Nothing like a pocket book issue to get your attention.
>
## Of course that presumes the holdup on alternate energy is merely the
price. What if the price is only ONE of the difficulties. For example, how
much would it cost and how long would it take to outfit 300,000 gas stations
to dispense hydrogen? Or how long to build generating plants to provide the
electricity to charge electric cars? Would anyone STAND for a new generating
facility in their neighborhood?
No, the real fix is for the United States (with UN approval) to declare the
oil reserves of Arabia, Iraq, and Iran, to be "World Resources" and to take
them over with a view towards fair distribution to all.
Just kidding on that last.
"Angela Sekeris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Feb 21, 1:20 am, "George W Frost" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
> > How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
> > Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
> > You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
> > Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
> > Lew
>
> Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
>
> We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
40 Oz gallon, right? (Imperial)
*********************
Don't quite follow that
but the Imperial gallon is approximately 4.5 litres and just a little bit
more
the US gallon is 4 litres
or thereabouts
so, the US gallon divided by 4 equals 4 litres
so, at $4.00 a gallon, brings you to the result of $1.00 per litre
Regardless of how many litres are in an Imperial gallon, which by the way,
we do not work with here in OZ, as we have progressed Dorothy and we work
with metrics.
and as we all know, the measurement of a litre does not differ wherever you
live
so, the cost of a litre of fuel, gas to you, petrol to us, fuel to others,
here in OZ, is $1.50 a litre
Bringing up to the conclusion that we pay 50% more for our fuel than what
you do
Then again, we do pay a lot more for our cars than you
Do you call them cars over there ?
"Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>> The media ? Huh?
>>> I'll have some of whatever it is that Leon's been smoking.
>>>
>>> The media ?
>>>
>>> Dave in Houston
>>
>> You have not caught on to that yet??? The media sensationalizes
>> everything, then the gullible audience buys into that and,,, the oil
>> industry benefits from that, unless they are spilling oil.
>
> Agreed, the "media" sensationalizes a lot of the news but I can't buy
> that argument where the price of oil is concerned. If the media were the
> cause then what's the effect? Panic buying by the gullible public that
> drives the price of fuels up? Panic hoarding?
> I don't think the gullible audience has any say-so what-so-ever. What I
> think happens is that commodity brokers use any excuse to bid the price of
> a barrel up and up and up. What I think is that the higher the price of a
> gallon of regular goes the more ways the gullible audience looks to save a
> little here and there.
>
> Dave in Houston.
We are think close to the same lines here, I believe the media inadvertently
conditions its audience to expect high prices for "what ever non valid
reason" and the oil companies jump on the opportunity to oblige.
Imagine the outrage if "ALL" gas stations went up 15 cents per gallon with
out notice from the media. We are not quite as outraged if we are not blind
sided.
The media creates the opportunity for the oil companies and or brokers take
advantage of a sensationalized story.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> I recall all this alternative energy stuff going out of controll when
>> gasoline prices/ oil prices went up in the mid 70's.
> ------------------------------
> And then gas prices dropped and everything was forgotten.
> ------------------------------
>> If the government is behind the alternative fuel BS you know that is not
>> worth the time invested.
> ------------------------------
> Interesting obversation.
> -------------------------------
>> Remember gasihol, a total wash at best.
> -----------------------------
> Wonder how ethanol mgot developed?
> -------------------------------------
>> Untill we actually run out of oil there will be no serious drive for
>> another source of energy.
> ---------------------------------
> Might be a good idea to have alternates developed, don't you think?
Absolutely but oil and gasoline is still much too cheap to make much of any
thing else attractive.
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:37:18 -0500, dhall987 <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:20:17 +1100, "George W Frost"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>>
>>> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>>>
>>> Noticed the cost of food lately?
>>>
>>> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>>>
>>> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>
>>
>>Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming
>>
>>We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular
>>
>Everybody who wants to post their comparitive gasoline pricing needs
>to adjust for their state/country taxes. I am fairly sure that gas is
>not really that variable in price, just that some countries/states
>want to tax it more than others either for revenue purposes or to try
>to influence the actions of their citizens. I would bet that OZ has a
>damned high tax rate compared to Wyoming... as does California (to a
>lesser degree of course).
Indiana pump price did not include the taxes back in the past. Perhaps
a hoosier can enlighten me if that is still the case, I believe that
changed.
Mark
"EXT" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> Of course, that was my point, that sooner or later, one way or another,
>> you pay for it.
> Right, but so many US residents (particularly far right Republicans) seem
> to be convinced that Healthcare is provided free to everyone.
Yes, Americans have weird views of Canadian health care. Few of them
actually know how it works, yet half of them think it's a "free" health care
paradise, and the other half think it's flaming socialism with year-long
waits to get a bandaid.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:27:37 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Lew
>Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>
>> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
>Come north for a visit, Lew. We've had gas in that range for a long
>time. Yet our economy seems to be doing better than yours...
>
>> Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
>Some of the subsidies coming off down there? About time.
It hurts, but I agree. There should be no subsidies to multinational
(or domestic) agro/food giants.
>> You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
>One of them. How come the US isn't doing it on US soil?
They are. Only the Treehuggers know why we're not drilling offshore.
I remember the mess on CA beaches in the late '60s from the Santa
Monica spill, and I'd =MUCH= rather face the -possibility- of those
hazards than to feed the Arabs who are supporting Islamic terrorists.
You do know that 34% of our oil is domestic, don't you? Another third
we get from Canada and Mexico. That last third is Arab imports.
http://lugar.senate.gov/energy/graphs/oilimport.html
>Or building nuclear plants?
They are, finally!
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/nuc_reactors/reactorcom.html
>> Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
>Well, it's probably not to defend Israel any more...
They're supposed to keep safe the flow of oil from the region, not
defend Israel...aren't they?
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The more passions and desires one has,
the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Of course, that was my point, that sooner or later, one way or another,
> > you
> > pay for it.
> And what does that troll have to do with the price of gas?
It doesn't. He just had to inject his last word comment and that was all
that came to mind.
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:39:51 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>
>How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
>Noticed the cost of food lately?
>
>You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.
>
>Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.
>
>Lew
>
It was $4.83 per US gallon here in Ontario Canada last night. Compared
to $3.39 accross the border in New York
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:07:02 -0600, "woodstuff"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Leon" wrote:
>>
>> > I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was
>> > $2.89, what are you guys in California willing to pay?
>> ---------------------------------------
>> Depends on location.
>>
>> 87 octane at Chevron varies from about $3.55 to $3.85/gal based on
>> location which puts premium north of $4/gal.
>>
>> Arco, a BP unit, operates on cash & carry basis, at $0.10-$0.15/gal
>> less.
>>
>> Based on your numbers looks like TX likes low fuel prices which
>> shouldn't come as any surprise.
>>
>> Personally I'd like to see $6-8/gal gasoline, the sooner the better.
Sadomasochistic foo!
>You think like Obama, with the same flaw. Alternate energy is fine, but we
>need oil now to function. Drilling bans and sluggish permitting plus EPA
>regs and crap like that has made us to be more dependent on foreign oil. So
>do renewable work, but don't kill us until then!
>
>>
>> It just might get some serious alternate energy research off the
>> ground.
>
>Please send some of your own money from your own bank account to Washington
>D.C. And also donate to programs to teach street people to install
>Chinese-made solar panels to give a great boost to our economy.
I can just see that 45W triple deluxe solar panel set on top of that
cardboard box down on the corner now...
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the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> The media ? Huh?
>> I'll have some of whatever it is that Leon's been smoking.
>>
>> The media ?
>>
>> Dave in Houston
>
> You have not caught on to that yet??? The media sensationalizes
> everything, then the gullible audience buys into that and,,, the oil
> industry benefits from that, unless they are spilling oil.
Agreed, the "media" sensationalizes a lot of the news but I can't buy
that argument where the price of oil is concerned. If the media were the
cause then what's the effect? Panic buying by the gullible public that
drives the price of fuels up? Panic hoarding?
I don't think the gullible audience has any say-so what-so-ever. What I
think happens is that commodity brokers use any excuse to bid the price of a
barrel up and up and up. What I think is that the higher the price of a
gallon of regular goes the more ways the gullible audience looks to save a
little here and there.
Dave in Houston.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Continued unrest in the MidEast.
>>
>> How long before $5/gal gasoline.
>
> No sooner than we are willing to pay that price. The perceived supply and
> demand really has no effect on gasoline prices so much as the other
> pricing stratigy, "What The Market Will Bare". If we are stupid enough to
> pay high prices they are certainly going to charge those prices.
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> I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was $2.89,
> what are you guys in California willing to pay?
I will add that prices at that station are normally less than the
competition down the street. One block east and west regular goes for $2.99
and Premium is close to $3.30. The station I bought from simply decided to
not gouge quite as deeply.
A couple of weeks ago I saw gasoline go up by 15 cents per gallon at a local
station. A week later they were back in line with the competition. They
were trying to persuade the local competition to go up too.
The gasoline stations pricing strategy goes like this.
1. Raise the price for no reason other than to make more profit. Nothing
wrong with that.
2. Did they like the results of raising the price?
3. yes, Leave the price at the higher rate.
4. no, Lower the price again.