Happiness in applying a finish

On 10/18/2011 8:01 PM, Zz Yzx wrote:
>>> Until 25 years ago I wore no glasses. The my arms got too short,and I got
>>> reading glasses. When they became insufficient, I graduated to graduated
>>> focus glasses. Optician said to try them (real hard, but I did) and if I
>>> couldn't get used to them in 10-14 days, he'd take them back. It was
>>> indeed hard, but within a week it "clicked" and they work fine for me.
>>> Only thing is that I have difficulty sighting down a board to see whether
>>> it is straight. It always seems a little off ...
>>
>> I didn't wear glasses until four years ago. The change was pretty sudden,
>> too. From doing fine to needing readers to even see the characters on the
>> screen in short weeks. Six months later I was in bifocals; tops set for the
>> screen, bottoms for the keyboard (which works out for reading books, too).
>> Still don't need them for distance, though it won't be long, methinks.
>
> Try getting diagnosed with diabetes and then drastically lowering your
> blood glucose level almost overnight. I had to buy 4 different sets
> of readers to use, depending on the fluctuations. Tail lights looked
> like beachballs. And hitting a softball became nearly impossible. It
> took ~ 6 weeks to even out.
>
> -Zz

I know exactly how you feel but was diagnosed 1 year after my vision
changed over night. But oddly my vision got drastically better over night.

On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:50:10 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 10/18/2011 12:30 PM, Han wrote:
>> RicodJour<[email protected]> wrote in news:05e97391-08ff-4f69-ba7b-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> On Oct 18, 10:38 am, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>> On 10/18/2011 9:13 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Until your friends mention that _you don't even wear glasses_...
>>>>
>>>> Ah but I do and they are bifocal.
>>>
>>> I hate wearing glasses - mine are bifocked up, too.
>>>
>>> R
>>
>> Until 25 years ago I wore no glasses. The my arms got too short,and I got
>> reading glasses. When they became insufficient, I graduated to graduated
>> focus glasses.
>
>Graduated focus? Would that also be know as Progressive? If so, you
>never used bi-focal? I have been tempted to go to a progressive lens
>and most all makers will let you trade them back in for bi-focals but
>with no price difference credit.

I got screwed for a couple hundred when the damned progressives didn't
turn out to be in any way usable by me. 80% of the lens has no
prescription, so I couldn't even see what was in my rear view mirrors
(side or middle) without physically turning my head. Ditto stairs and
slopes. It just sucked the big one. I've never minded the little
bifocal line anyway.

--
Good ideas alter the power balance in relationships, that is why
good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a
heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people
can handle it.
-- Hugh Macleod

>>Until 25 years ago I wore no glasses. The my arms got too short,and I got
>>reading glasses. When they became insufficient, I graduated to graduated
>>focus glasses. Optician said to try them (real hard, but I did) and if I
>>couldn't get used to them in 10-14 days, he'd take them back. It was
>>indeed hard, but within a week it "clicked" and they work fine for me.
>>Only thing is that I have difficulty sighting down a board to see whether
>>it is straight. It always seems a little off ...
>
>I didn't wear glasses until four years ago. The change was pretty sudden,
>too. From doing fine to needing readers to even see the characters on the
>screen in short weeks. Six months later I was in bifocals; tops set for the
>screen, bottoms for the keyboard (which works out for reading books, too).
>Still don't need them for distance, though it won't be long, methinks.

Try getting diagnosed with diabetes and then drastically lowering your
blood glucose level almost overnight. I had to buy 4 different sets
of readers to use, depending on the fluctuations. Tail lights looked
like beachballs. And hitting a softball became nearly impossible. It
took ~ 6 weeks to even out.

-Zz

On 10/18/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:50:10 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/2011 12:30 PM, Han wrote:
>>> RicodJour<[email protected]> wrote in news:05e97391-08ff-4f69-ba7b-
>>> [email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 10:38 am, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/18/2011 9:13 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Until your friends mention that _you don't even wear glasses_...
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah but I do and they are bifocal.
>>>>
>>>> I hate wearing glasses - mine are bifocked up, too.
>>>>
>>>> R
>>>
>>> Until 25 years ago I wore no glasses. The my arms got too short,and I got
>>> reading glasses. When they became insufficient, I graduated to graduated
>>> focus glasses.
>>
>> Graduated focus? Would that also be know as Progressive? If so, you
>> never used bi-focal? I have been tempted to go to a progressive lens
>> and most all makers will let you trade them back in for bi-focals but
>> with no price difference credit.
>
> I got screwed for a couple hundred when the damned progressives didn't
> turn out to be in any way usable by me. 80% of the lens has no
> prescription, so I couldn't even see what was in my rear view mirrors
> (side or middle) without physically turning my head. Ditto stairs and
> slopes. It just sucked the big one. I've never minded the little
> bifocal line anyway.

Well my eye doctor wanted to put me in trifocals on the last visit....I
see that as having to move my head a lot more than I do now. Thinking I
would give the progressive a try. BUT from what I have heard, if you go
straight to progressive you get used to them fast. Go to them fro a
bi-focal and you have a harder time.

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:08:24 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 10/18/2011 7:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On 18 Oct 2011 17:30:10 GMT, Han<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> RicodJour<[email protected]> wrote in news:05e97391-08ff-4f69-ba7b-
>>> [email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 10:38 am, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/18/2011 9:13 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Until your friends mention that _you don't even wear glasses_...
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah but I do and they are bifocal.
>>>>
>>>> I hate wearing glasses - mine are bifocked up, too.
>>>>
>>>> R
>>>
>>> Until 25 years ago I wore no glasses. The my arms got too short,and I got
>>> reading glasses. When they became insufficient, I graduated to graduated
>>> focus glasses. Optician said to try them (real hard, but I did) and if I
>>> couldn't get used to them in 10-14 days, he'd take them back. It was
>>> indeed hard, but within a week it "clicked" and they work fine for me.
>>> Only thing is that I have difficulty sighting down a board to see whether
>>> it is straight. It always seems a little off ...
>>
>> I didn't wear glasses until four years ago. The change was pretty sudden,
>> too. From doing fine to needing readers to even see the characters on the
>> screen in short weeks. Six months later I was in bifocals; tops set for the
>> screen, bottoms for the keyboard (which works out for reading books, too).
>> Still don't need them for distance, though it won't be long, methinks.
>>
>> Funny thing is that my eyes used to be 20/10 but now I have an astigmatism (so
>> readers don't work well). Didn't think that was something that changed.
>
>
>Oddly about 6 years ago my far vision went from a 5.x down to 2.25,
>"over night". It remained that way for a bout 3 years. It is still
>much better than it was 7 years ago. My eye doctor was astounded. I
>could no longer use my regular glasses and could only see if I wore my
>glasses that I only used for working on the computer.

AIUI, old-fogey eyes are caused by the stiffening of the muscles around the
lens that are used to focus. They "bind up", so the geometry of the lens
can't be changed. Maybe you were always more "far sighted" and these muscles
have been compensating all along.

My brother has worn glasses since he was two (bifocals as far back as I
remember). His eyes were so far-sighted that they focused past infinity. His
eyes have gotten better with age, but still is blind without his glasses.

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:06:48 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 10/18/2011 7:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>...
>
>> I didn't wear glasses until four years ago. The change was pretty sudden,
>> too. From doing fine to needing readers to even see the characters on the
>> screen in short weeks. Six months later I was in bifocals;...
>
>Not an attempt to diagnose from a distance, but merely a cautionary tale...
>
>Rapid changes in eyesight _can_ be warnings of other things. Lost a
>close friend/colleague years ago at a very young age to a brain
>aneurysm--it killed him one morning as he was driving to work. After
>the fact learned his only external symptom was he had been having such
>rapid vision changes but thought/blamed the hours of poring over
>computer printouts and sorry monitors and just bought new
>over-the-counter lenses to compensate instead of getting checked out
>thoroughly.

It was five years ago, and nothing else was found. I did go through a period
of A-Fib (cardioversion took care of it) just after it started, so I was
pretty well plugged into doctors at the time. My eyes didn't go back after
the A-Fib episode and really haven't changed much since.

One other odd thing I noticed at the time, after watching television for any
time, my eyes took a very long time to refocus closer (basically couldn't see
a computer monitor). Distance vision (such as long periods of driving) didn't
have the same effect.

On 10/19/2011 12:51 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:08:24 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/2011 7:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On 18 Oct 2011 17:30:10 GMT, Han<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RicodJour<[email protected]> wrote in news:05e97391-08ff-4f69-ba7b-
>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:38 am, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/18/2011 9:13 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until your friends mention that _you don't even wear glasses_...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah but I do and they are bifocal.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate wearing glasses - mine are bifocked up, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> R
>>>>
>>>> Until 25 years ago I wore no glasses. The my arms got too short,and I got
>>>> reading glasses. When they became insufficient, I graduated to graduated
>>>> focus glasses. Optician said to try them (real hard, but I did) and if I
>>>> couldn't get used to them in 10-14 days, he'd take them back. It was
>>>> indeed hard, but within a week it "clicked" and they work fine for me.
>>>> Only thing is that I have difficulty sighting down a board to see whether
>>>> it is straight. It always seems a little off ...
>>>
>>> I didn't wear glasses until four years ago. The change was pretty sudden,
>>> too. From doing fine to needing readers to even see the characters on the
>>> screen in short weeks. Six months later I was in bifocals; tops set for the
>>> screen, bottoms for the keyboard (which works out for reading books, too).
>>> Still don't need them for distance, though it won't be long, methinks.
>>>
>>> Funny thing is that my eyes used to be 20/10 but now I have an astigmatism (so
>>> readers don't work well). Didn't think that was something that changed.
>>
>>
>> Oddly about 6 years ago my far vision went from a 5.x down to 2.25,
>> "over night". It remained that way for a bout 3 years. It is still
>> much better than it was 7 years ago. My eye doctor was astounded. I
>> could no longer use my regular glasses and could only see if I wore my
>> glasses that I only used for working on the computer.
>
> AIUI, old-fogey eyes are caused by the stiffening of the muscles around the
> lens that are used to focus. They "bind up", so the geometry of the lens
> can't be changed. Maybe you were always more "far sighted" and these muscles
> have been compensating all along.

I have been far sighted since I was 7. I think that a combination of
drinking 12 quarts of liquids a day for several months, being on a
diuretic and eventually being diagnosed a year later as being diabetic
may have had a lot to do with it.





>
> My brother has worn glasses since he was two (bifocals as far back as I
> remember). His eyes were so far-sighted that they focused past infinity. His
> eyes have gotten better with age, but still is blind without his glasses.

On 10/19/2011 12:51 PM, [email protected] wrote:
...

> ... eyes were so far-sighted that they focused past infinity. ...

Now _that's_ a trick, indeed.

Reminds me of a former colleague we named "Malaprop" telling of an
accident of a parachutist whose main didn't open--he had long list of
injuries topped off by "... and _two_ broken pelvises!".... :)

--

Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I have a different astigmatism in each eye. Progressive lenses left me
> half blind when I went to them because my prescription was no longer
> _there_. People who have only a focus problem might be able to use
> them, but active folks have a lot of trouble, as do all those with
> astigmatism. It's a "one size fits a few" kludge IMO.

I was fine "bare-eyed" until 45 or so. Then at first reading glasses etc.
Never had bifocals. You have a week (more or less) of painfull adjustment,
but if you persist and do NOT go back and forth to othger glasses, chances
are the progresives will suddenly "click". Of course there is no sound,
but it was indeed a very sudden change from awkward seeing to seeing
perfectly.

As always, YMMV, but I have heard this from many people.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:59:11 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 10/19/2011 12:51 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>...
>
>> ... eyes were so far-sighted that they focused past infinity. ...
>
>Now _that's_ a trick, indeed.

No, it really isn't. Think about a point source of light at the
retina/macula. The focus distance is where the light rays would again be a
point, outside the eye. If the rays are parallel (never converge) the eye is
focused at infinity. If the rays diverge the eye is focused past infinity. It
really means that the eye can't bring the focus in far enough to even see an
object (clearly) at infinity; even stars are a blur.

>Reminds me of a former colleague we named "Malaprop" telling of an
>accident of a parachutist whose main didn't open--he had long list of
>injuries topped off by "... and _two_ broken pelvises!".... :)

Was it only a practice jump?

On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:25:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 10/18/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:50:10 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/18/2011 12:30 PM, Han wrote:
>>>> RicodJour<[email protected]> wrote in news:05e97391-08ff-4f69-ba7b-
>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:38 am, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/18/2011 9:13 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until your friends mention that _you don't even wear glasses_...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah but I do and they are bifocal.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate wearing glasses - mine are bifocked up, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> R
>>>>
>>>> Until 25 years ago I wore no glasses. The my arms got too short,and I got
>>>> reading glasses. When they became insufficient, I graduated to graduated
>>>> focus glasses.
>>>
>>> Graduated focus? Would that also be know as Progressive? If so, you
>>> never used bi-focal? I have been tempted to go to a progressive lens
>>> and most all makers will let you trade them back in for bi-focals but
>>> with no price difference credit.
>>
>> I got screwed for a couple hundred when the damned progressives didn't
>> turn out to be in any way usable by me. 80% of the lens has no
>> prescription, so I couldn't even see what was in my rear view mirrors
>> (side or middle) without physically turning my head. Ditto stairs and
>> slopes. It just sucked the big one. I've never minded the little
>> bifocal line anyway.
>
>Well my eye doctor wanted to put me in trifocals on the last visit....I
>see that as having to move my head a lot more than I do now. Thinking I
>would give the progressive a try. BUT from what I have heard, if you go
>straight to progressive you get used to them fast. Go to them fro a
>bi-focal and you have a harder time.

I have a different astigmatism in each eye. Progressive lenses left me
half blind when I went to them because my prescription was no longer
_there_. People who have only a focus problem might be able to use
them, but active folks have a lot of trouble, as do all those with
astigmatism. It's a "one size fits a few" kludge IMO.

--
Good ideas alter the power balance in relationships, that is why
good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a
heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people
can handle it.
-- Hugh Macleod

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:50:33 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>I have been far sighted since I was 7. I think that a combination of
>drinking 12 quarts of liquids a day for several months, being on a
>diuretic and eventually being diagnosed a year later as being diabetic
>may have had a lot to do with it.

Huh? You pissed away your bad eyesight? Amazing! ;)

--
Good ideas alter the power balance in relationships, that is why
good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a
heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people
can handle it.
-- Hugh Macleod

Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Yeah, people with focal problems ONLY seem to be able to adjust. I'm
> both far and nearsighted, plus dual astigmatism.

I have a bit of all that too. The worst is that I can't read things
without the glasses

> I curse the day that
> office manager talked me into progressives, cursed her for about 10
> days, then cursed the optometrist for not allowing me to pay the extra
> for bifocal reading glasses when the progressives were found to be
> shit. I almost took a sign down to stand in protest in front of that
> bastard's office over that one, I was so mad.

It was painful for (I think) about 6 days, then it vclicked, for me ...


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Yeah, people with focal problems ONLY seem to be able to adjust. I'm
> both far and nearsighted, plus dual astigmatism. I curse the day that
> office manager talked me into progressives, cursed her for about 10
> days, then cursed the optometrist for not allowing me to pay the extra
> for bifocal reading glasses when the progressives were found to be
> shit. I almost took a sign down to stand in protest in front of that
> bastard's office over that one, I was so mad.

Also, because of a first time very good experience, which generally has
stood with many subsequent visits, I always go to a Lenscrafters for
optician's stuff. I have also gone to Cornell ophthalmologists for
checkups, and they confirmed the Lenscrafters' doctor's utterances. Some
lLenscrafters locations have given me more satisfying results than others,
so YMMV ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 18 Oct 2011 20:28:58 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:

>Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> I have a different astigmatism in each eye. Progressive lenses left me
>> half blind when I went to them because my prescription was no longer
>> _there_. People who have only a focus problem might be able to use
>> them, but active folks have a lot of trouble, as do all those with
>> astigmatism. It's a "one size fits a few" kludge IMO.
>
>I was fine "bare-eyed" until 45 or so. Then at first reading glasses etc.
>Never had bifocals. You have a week (more or less) of painfull adjustment,
>but if you persist and do NOT go back and forth to othger glasses, chances
>are the progresives will suddenly "click". Of course there is no sound,
>but it was indeed a very sudden change from awkward seeing to seeing
>perfectly.
>
>As always, YMMV, but I have heard this from many people.

Yeah, people with focal problems ONLY seem to be able to adjust. I'm
both far and nearsighted, plus dual astigmatism. I curse the day that
office manager talked me into progressives, cursed her for about 10
days, then cursed the optometrist for not allowing me to pay the extra
for bifocal reading glasses when the progressives were found to be
shit. I almost took a sign down to stand in protest in front of that
bastard's office over that one, I was so mad.

--
Good ideas alter the power balance in relationships, that is why
good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a
heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people
can handle it.
-- Hugh Macleod