A few years ago, I sold my table saw. An old Delta, It wasn't all
that good to begin with and after 10 years or so of service it didn't
fill the bill any longer.
It was an amazing thing to me, even as a remodeling contractor,
sometimes cabinet maker, how little I missed it. I can buy all rail
and stile sized stock at the local hardwoods supplier in the common
sizes for doors and cabinet faces.
I usually took down my sheet goods with a saw and guides anyway, and
the only time I really missed it was ripping shelving, or different
pieces of trim. For that, it was indispensable for accuracy, ease of
use and time saved.
I have a project now where I need to do a lot of ripping. A friend of
mine is now an "industrial arts" teacher at a local high school. They
just got a new SawStop with all the bells and whistles. We had been
looking for a reason for me to go use it to try it out, and it came
this week.
All I can say is WOW. I mean, WOW.
The saw is rock solid. About the only sound you hear is the teeth
whizzing through the air as the saw makes little sound.
The control wheels are large, heavy duty metal, and adjust very easily
and precisely. It has a slow start motor on it, but it is up to speed
almost instantly. When running, there is NO vibration, I mean NONE.
The saw top was almost polished, and had a nice clean satin finish to
it. With the cast iron wings on it, the table top was large and
comfortable to use. There were no lap marks on it, but it appeared to
be flat as a pancake. I would say polished to about 400 grit or so.
The rip fence was great. Looking a lot like the old Biesemeyers, it
was a nice boxy affair that locked up tightly and accurately. Several
attempts to check it repeatability were really impressive. I moved
the fence from the sides, the from the ends and deliberately tried to
lock down the fence out of parallel alignment to the blade. No way.
It might have thrown off the measurements, but it never locked down
incorrectly. And using the tape on the rails, the fence locked down
exactly in the same place every time. I checked this out by setting
the measurement on the fence, then checking it with my stainless 12"
ruler. Same every time.
The miter gauge.... well, it was a miter gauge. It did its job, but
actually looked like all the rest of them out there.
The on/off paddle was placed in the area where you can bump it with
your leg to turn it off in case of emergency. The paddle is large and
obtrusive, so of course I did shut the saw off a couple of times
without meaning to. On my old Delta, you had to lean over, reach
under the table, and mash the button to turn it off.
It was a challenge for me to keep from bumping the paddle as I have a
habit of leaning over and way from the projection zone as the first
table saws I learned on as a kid we set the rip fences with a ruler.
With a dull blade and an inaccurate rip fence set measurement, you
could shoot an 8' 2x4 thirty feet or so if you weren't careful. Small
stuff was downright dicey if something was askew. I learned early
that body position was very important in table saw use - I never
wanted to join the girl's choir.
I would have to work around that switch or move it, I'm not sure
which.
The painted areas are all thick, hard black enamel. It not only looks
good to the eye, but the finish looked good in application. Several
of the larger stationary tools I have looked at lately look to me to
have been dipped in paint, and the excess allowed to drip off. This
particular saw was very nicely finished on all parts - a nice
surprise. I think the cabinet pieces and the rails and other
components were sprayed.
I was ripping some 2" thick Jatoba, Mesquite, and some Bolivian
Rosewood when I tested this saw. (This is why I wanted to use a nice
tablesaw, this stuff was waaaayyyy too expensive to waste even an 1/8"
anywhere!) He had a cheapo DeWalt 10" multipurpose blade on the saw
(remember - think high school kids/idiots) for normal use. It spun
this blade so well there were almost no saw marks anywhere.
We all know you can do really nice work with a fairly good table saw
if you have a nice blade and the saw is tuned up. But with a lousy
blade, you are up against it, no matter the quality of the machine.
Even with that nasty little blade, the saw never balked, slowed down,
or showed any kind of sign that it was cutting kiln dried hardwoods.
No burn marks, no chatter, no "pushing back" from the saw, nothing.
Out of all the saws I have used over all the years I have been doing
woodworking for a living, this has to be the most impressive.
Previously, my favorite was the top end Delta that I used about 6 - 7
years ago. I wouldn't want to make a decision between that saw and
this one. In the end, I think the fit and finish were about even.
If someone is looking for a saw and you can swing the extra dough, I
would sure take a look at this saw from the quality standpoint. Of
course the safety features are great (this is why they had this saw in
a school) but I was really blown away by the utility value of this
machine.
Robert
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>A few years ago, I sold my table saw. An old Delta, It wasn't all
> that good to begin with and after 10 years or so of service it didn't
> fill the bill any longer.
>
> It was an amazing thing to me, even as a remodeling contractor,
> sometimes cabinet maker, how little I missed it. I can buy all rail
> and stile sized stock at the local hardwoods supplier in the common
> sizes for doors and cabinet faces.
>
> I usually took down my sheet goods with a saw and guides anyway, and
> the only time I really missed it was ripping shelving, or different
> pieces of trim. For that, it was indispensable for accuracy, ease of
> use and time saved.
>
> I have a project now where I need to do a lot of ripping. A friend of
> mine is now an "industrial arts" teacher at a local high school. They
> just got a new SawStop with all the bells and whistles. We had been
> looking for a reason for me to go use it to try it out, and it came
> this week.
>
> All I can say is WOW. I mean, WOW.
>
> The saw is rock solid. About the only sound you hear is the teeth
> whizzing through the air as the saw makes little sound.
>
> The control wheels are large, heavy duty metal, and adjust very easily
> and precisely. It has a slow start motor on it, but it is up to speed
> almost instantly. When running, there is NO vibration, I mean NONE.
>
> The saw top was almost polished, and had a nice clean satin finish to
> it. With the cast iron wings on it, the table top was large and
> comfortable to use. There were no lap marks on it, but it appeared to
> be flat as a pancake. I would say polished to about 400 grit or so.
>
> The rip fence was great. Looking a lot like the old Biesemeyers, it
> was a nice boxy affair that locked up tightly and accurately. Several
> attempts to check it repeatability were really impressive. I moved
> the fence from the sides, the from the ends and deliberately tried to
> lock down the fence out of parallel alignment to the blade. No way.
> It might have thrown off the measurements, but it never locked down
> incorrectly. And using the tape on the rails, the fence locked down
> exactly in the same place every time. I checked this out by setting
> the measurement on the fence, then checking it with my stainless 12"
> ruler. Same every time.
>
> The miter gauge.... well, it was a miter gauge. It did its job, but
> actually looked like all the rest of them out there.
>
> The on/off paddle was placed in the area where you can bump it with
> your leg to turn it off in case of emergency. The paddle is large and
> obtrusive, so of course I did shut the saw off a couple of times
> without meaning to. On my old Delta, you had to lean over, reach
> under the table, and mash the button to turn it off.
>
> It was a challenge for me to keep from bumping the paddle as I have a
> habit of leaning over and way from the projection zone as the first
> table saws I learned on as a kid we set the rip fences with a ruler.
> With a dull blade and an inaccurate rip fence set measurement, you
> could shoot an 8' 2x4 thirty feet or so if you weren't careful. Small
> stuff was downright dicey if something was askew. I learned early
> that body position was very important in table saw use - I never
> wanted to join the girl's choir.
>
> I would have to work around that switch or move it, I'm not sure
> which.
>
> The painted areas are all thick, hard black enamel. It not only looks
> good to the eye, but the finish looked good in application. Several
> of the larger stationary tools I have looked at lately look to me to
> have been dipped in paint, and the excess allowed to drip off. This
> particular saw was very nicely finished on all parts - a nice
> surprise. I think the cabinet pieces and the rails and other
> components were sprayed.
>
> I was ripping some 2" thick Jatoba, Mesquite, and some Bolivian
> Rosewood when I tested this saw. (This is why I wanted to use a nice
> tablesaw, this stuff was waaaayyyy too expensive to waste even an 1/8"
> anywhere!) He had a cheapo DeWalt 10" multipurpose blade on the saw
> (remember - think high school kids/idiots) for normal use. It spun
> this blade so well there were almost no saw marks anywhere.
>
> We all know you can do really nice work with a fairly good table saw
> if you have a nice blade and the saw is tuned up. But with a lousy
> blade, you are up against it, no matter the quality of the machine.
> Even with that nasty little blade, the saw never balked, slowed down,
> or showed any kind of sign that it was cutting kiln dried hardwoods.
> No burn marks, no chatter, no "pushing back" from the saw, nothing.
>
> Out of all the saws I have used over all the years I have been doing
> woodworking for a living, this has to be the most impressive.
> Previously, my favorite was the top end Delta that I used about 6 - 7
> years ago. I wouldn't want to make a decision between that saw and
> this one. In the end, I think the fit and finish were about even.
>
> If someone is looking for a saw and you can swing the extra dough, I
> would sure take a look at this saw from the quality standpoint. Of
> course the safety features are great (this is why they had this saw in
> a school) but I was really blown away by the utility value of this
> machine.
>
> Robert
>
Damn Robert, it is hard to read your review while drooling. I am getting a
hard case of tool envy.
It is good to see that you can still buy quality. Even if you have to pay
extra for it. Where are these things manufactured? Kudos on a great tool
review.
<[email protected]> wrote
>
> I asked him if I could buy my own blade to put on the saw when I used
> it, and he was completely fine with it.
>
Now that is a visual!
Robert sneaking into the school with a stainless steel Haliburton handcuffed
to his wrist. He opens the breifcase and produces a shiny, new Woodworker
II blade and loving installs it on this new wonder saw. He uses the saw. He
then carefully takes back his prized blade and reinstalls the old, junk
blade.
He then puts his back his wonder blade into its secure home. He then sneaks
off of campus with his secretly cut wood and trusty saw blade safe. He
stops off at a bar to get a drink to calm his nerves after fondling the new
wondersaw.
LOL!!
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:af3d67c4-1ee7-41c8-933d-d9f5978b2314@g19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On May 9, 5:32 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On May 9, 12:28 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
> > keeps his test wiener.
> > "One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."
>
> You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
> my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
> very dramatic.
I should imagine. That's a lot of energy getting dumped in a short
period of time.
------------------------------------------
Not to mention what happens in the pants of the guy who sticks his finger
into the blade.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fe3f67df-7710-45b4-9bc2-44be6ea94221@s31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On May 10, 8:35 am, Hoosierpopi <[email protected]> wrote:
> "> Out of all the saws I have used over all the years ..."
>
> Caught me off guard. hought "Saw Stop" was a technique tip or question
> not a tool "review."
>
> As that it failed for not being up front with the intent of the
> writing and then for failing to provide the details such as URLs and
> pricing information.
You gotta be kidding me... you may indeed be the only living wood
worker on this planet that had not at least heard of this product. It
has been the subject of countless magazine reviews for the product, as
well as some questionable business practices.
As far as providing you with URLs, price information, where to buy,
instruction on how to set it up, what kind of blade to use, how to
protect the top from damage, how to set the fence, and anything else
you might want... DAGS. Recognize the header: "A Quick Saw Stop
comment"
If it didn't meet your criteria for a **quick comment** I think it is
fucking ridiculous that you feel betrayed since " As that it failed
for not being up front with the intent of the writing". Do tell....
what was my intent? A quick comment maybe? Could that be it?
> School systems can justify spending extra bucks for insurance claim
> saving features and the purchase decision likely had less to do with
> the tool's WW features than with the safety features hardly mentioned
> or complained about in the "review."
Idiot.
Did you read anything I wrote, or was your expulsion of keyboard
diarrhea the first thing you did when you felt betrayed?
Of course the school bought the tool for the safety features. Nice
heads up. It is the ONLY way they will let them have table saw. The
other one was removed.
> than with the safety features hardly mentioned
> or complained about in the "review."
Once again, I don't know how removed you are from the woodworking
community, but you must be in your own world, far away from the rest
of us. Personally I have found the safety features, the cartridge
replacement features and cost, their viability and actual worth are
subjects that have been hammered to pointless obscurity. Again, try
DAGS. Go to any other forum, site, or long time blog and you will
find more than you can read.
> or complained about in the "review."
Idiot. No kidding... just that. A fucking idiot.
Where was the word "review" used? And do you really have the right to
put your expectations onto someone else's time and effort? If you do,
try READING something before you comment. While you are making your
sarcastic comments, it is easy to see you didn't read what I wrote.
As a good example, try to find ONE example of a complaint in my
commentary.
"'review" (in quotations to indicate your sarcasm)
"complaint" (your description because your basic comprehension skills
are so small and you obviously don't have access to a dictionary for
definitions)
Just a fucking idiot.
> Hard to find a "no spin" zone even in wood working sigs!
Really hard to find something that isn't there, eh? Reading my post
you will see there is no sig. Where did that come from? And do tell
me, what "spin" did you think I put in my comments? Anything?
Anywhere?
Don't reply post anything unless you read, understand, (probably
should mention -read- again) and comprehend the words floating before
your face.
Robert <<<<<<<<<<<< no sig
=================================
Gee Robert, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.
It is amazing how many people can not tell the difference between the real
thing and bullshit. Oh well, life goes on. I for one really appreciated
your gushing on this fine tool. If for no toeher reason, that fine tools are
in a short supply in this market driven world. And this exclusive club of
tools desrve all the kind words possible. You did a good thing.
<[email protected]> wrote
Thanks. You know, I think you got where I was when I typed that one
out. I am sick of Chinese, Taiwanese, "assembled in Indonesia or
Mexico from parts from the the following countries, but not limited
those countries" and all manner of other business that defies the poor
state of tool quality today. I am sick of paying $$$ for mediocre to
crappy tools. Mostly, I was just very pleasantly surprised that the
particular machine mentioned was possibly nice enough to justify its
high price as a saw, regardless of its safety features.
------------------------------
I not only get excited to hear about quality tools, etc., but quality people
as well. I work on enough prototype projects that I know that I would never
be able to do some things unless there are some good folks who know their
stuff.
-----------------------------------------
I for one (and know many here as well) will pay for good quality if we
know we are getting it. Although much maligned by many for their
business practices, and debated to the last minuscule point on whether
safety features are necessary or not, I was surprised in the fact it
was actually a very nice tool.
---------------------------
Well, it is a surprise that does not happen enough. There is so much crap
in the world, that a quality product is a shocker.
------------------------------------------
The post by HP was so off course, so dumb and inaccurate I probably
should have just ignored it.
But you know, some days you just can't.
-------------------------------------------------------
Sometimes you just have to say what you feel. That has got me in trouble a
few times. But that is OK. To quote Frank Sinatra, I did it my way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AaElp-mimg&feature=related
----------------------
On May 9, 5:50=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:9e5effb4-5bfb-4053-a5a5-27cf2c985a8d@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 3:29 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:ca348c57-9775-4a0f-88f7-e59fbbaaeeda@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > On May 9, 1:45 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
> > > it is not going to wear out. Now if some one were to make me an offer=
I
> > > think I would be all over the SawStop.
>
> > All they need to do now is to add a sliding 10' table and a scoring
> > blade, and I could be in the market in 2 years. <G>
>
> > Yeah I also have the major hots for the Laguna sliding table saw but I
> > really don't have the room.
>
> I'd be happy with one of those Mini Max SC3W. But space is an issue
> till next spring.
>
> This one absolutely makes me HOT!http://www.lagunatools.com/panelsaw.sign=
ature.aspx
25 grand more than the MiniMax....
That Laguna better be sawing a LOT of panels, 2 shifts daily 5 day a
week...and feeding a crew of 30 to build and install cabinets..LOL
On May 9, 6:20=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon wrote:
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:b6bfab70-8a3f-4ff4-bcfd-f5e28dc36a04@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com..=
.
> > On May 9, 3:33 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:[email protected]...
>
> >>> Leon wrote:
> >>> wrote
> >>>> off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade
> >>>> would
> >>>> "stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
> >>>> available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 yea=
rs
> >>>> earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
> >>> Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
> >>> enough
> >>> to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?
> >> That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that=
2
> >> year old set of D cells.
>
> > 5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.
>
> > Got one! =A0It uses 2 D cells and pressure from your point'n finger to =
hold
> > the switch down. =A0:~)
>
> Got two! ... you forget we're covering two states now, for the Canasta
> Queen Belle Ball, lakeside.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
(Don't tell anybody, but with a small mod, you can insert the
batteries backwards, with some interesting results.)
On May 9, 4:47=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> A few years ago, I sold my table saw. =A0An old Delta, It wasn't all
> that good to begin with and after 10 years or so of service it didn't
> fill the bill any longer.
>
> It was an amazing thing to me, even as a remodeling contractor,
> sometimes cabinet maker, how little I missed it. =A0I can buy all rail
> and stile sized stock at the local hardwoods supplier in the common
> sizes for doors and cabinet faces.
>
> I usually took down my sheet goods with a saw and guides anyway, and
> the only time I really missed it was ripping shelving, or different
> pieces of trim. =A0For that, it was indispensable for accuracy, ease of
> use and time saved.
>
> I have a project now where I need to do a lot of ripping. =A0A friend of
> mine is now an "industrial arts" teacher at a local high school. =A0They
> just got a new SawStop with all the bells and whistles. =A0We had been
> looking for a reason for me to go use it to try it out, and it came
> this week.
>
> All I can say is WOW. =A0I mean, WOW.
>
> The saw is rock solid. =A0About the only sound you hear is the teeth
> whizzing through the air as the saw makes little sound.
>
> The control wheels are large, heavy duty metal, and adjust very easily
> and precisely. =A0It has a slow start motor on it, but it is up to speed
> almost instantly. =A0When running, there is NO vibration, I mean NONE.
>
> The saw top was almost polished, and had a nice clean satin finish to
> it. =A0With the cast iron wings on it, the table top was large and
> comfortable to use. =A0There were no lap marks on it, but it appeared to
> be flat as a pancake. =A0I would say polished to about 400 grit or so.
>
> The rip fence was great. =A0Looking a lot like the old Biesemeyers, it
> was a nice boxy affair that locked up tightly and accurately. =A0Several
> attempts to check it repeatability were really impressive. =A0I moved
> the fence from the sides, the from the ends and deliberately tried to
> lock down the fence out of parallel alignment to the blade. =A0No way.
> It might have thrown off the measurements, but it never locked down
> incorrectly. =A0And using the tape on the rails, the fence locked down
> exactly in the same place every time. =A0I checked this out by setting
> the measurement on the fence, then checking it with my stainless 12"
> ruler. =A0Same every time.
>
> The miter gauge.... well, it was a miter gauge. =A0It did its job, but
> actually looked like all the rest of them out there.
>
> The on/off paddle was placed in the area where you can bump it with
> your leg to turn it off in case of emergency. =A0The paddle is large and
> obtrusive, so of course I did shut the saw off a couple of times
> without meaning to. =A0On my old Delta, you had to lean over, reach
> under the table, and mash the button to turn it off.
>
> It was a challenge for me to keep from bumping the paddle as I have a
> habit of leaning over and way from the projection zone as the first
> table saws I learned on as a kid we set the rip fences with a ruler.
> With a dull blade and an inaccurate rip fence set measurement, you
> could shoot an 8' 2x4 thirty feet or so if you weren't careful. =A0Small
> stuff was downright dicey if something was askew. =A0I learned early
> that body position was very important in table saw use - I never
> wanted to join the girl's choir.
>
> I would have to work around that switch or move it, I'm not sure
> which.
>
> The painted areas are all thick, hard black enamel. =A0It not only looks
> good to the eye, but the finish looked good in application. =A0Several
> of the larger stationary =A0tools I have looked at lately look to me to
> have been dipped in paint, and the excess allowed to drip off. =A0This
> particular saw was very nicely finished on all parts - a nice
> surprise. =A0I think the cabinet pieces and the rails and other
> components were sprayed.
>
> I was ripping some 2" thick Jatoba, Mesquite, and some Bolivian
> Rosewood when I tested this saw. =A0(This is why I wanted to use a nice
> tablesaw, this stuff was waaaayyyy too expensive to waste even an 1/8"
> anywhere!) =A0He had a cheapo DeWalt 10" multipurpose blade on the saw
> (remember - think high school kids/idiots) for normal use. =A0 It spun
> this blade so well there were almost no saw marks anywhere.
>
> We all know you can do really nice work with a fairly good table saw
> if you have a nice blade and the saw is tuned up. =A0But with a lousy
> blade, you are up against it, no matter the quality of the machine.
> Even with that nasty little blade, the saw never balked, slowed down,
> or showed any kind of sign that it was cutting kiln dried hardwoods.
> No burn marks, no chatter, no "pushing back" from the saw, nothing.
>
> Out of all the saws I have used over all the years I have been doing
> woodworking for a living, this has to be the most impressive.
> Previously, my favorite was the top end Delta that I used about 6 - 7
> years ago. =A0I wouldn't want to make a decision between that saw and
> this one. =A0In the end, I think the fit and finish were about even.
>
> If someone is looking for a saw and you can swing the extra dough, I
> would sure take a look at this saw from the quality standpoint. =A0Of
> course the safety features are great (this is why they had this saw in
> a school) but I was really blown away by the utility value of this
> machine.
>
> Robert
I recently read a similar review from a forum-mate. He thought it was
an amazing piece of equipment as well.
I will get to use the same saw some time this summer as I venture out
his way. (Also a school, btw.)
Your review adds that much more credibility to that tool. Thanks for
sharing.
Now I go change my bib.
r
Robatoy wrote:
> On May 9, 5:51 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:b6bfab70-8a3f-4ff4-bcfd-f5e28dc36a04@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 9, 3:33 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> wrote
>>>>> off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade
>>>>> would
>>>>> "stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
>>>>> available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
>>>>> earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
>>>> Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
>>>> enough
>>>> to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?
>>> That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
>>> year old set of D cells.
>> 5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.
>>
>> Got one! It uses 2 D cells and pressure from your point'n finger to hold
>> the switch down. :~)
>
> I miss that more than anything. Angela and I used to play with my
> parents, at least once a week. We even had a proper Canasta Trophy.
> Neither parent has the patience or the facilities to follow the game
> anymore.
We play once a week (but two, of the four, participants would rather be
in the shop) and, if we ever quit, I may even miss getting my butt
kicked on a statistically significant basis ...once a week.
That said, it's the company that counts ...
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On May 9, 5:04 am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> Damn Robert, it is hard to read your review while drooling. I am getting a
> hard case of tool envy.
I rarely have tool envy, and haven't had it for years. It has been a
long time since I have had it over stationary tools. But it was
immediate and bad after I got over my amazement with this machine.
My buddy has just renewed his contract with the district, so I will
probably have fairly good access to this saw when I want for the price
of a burger and coke around lunch time.
> It is good to see that you can still buy quality. Even if you have to pay
> extra for it. Where are these things manufactured?
I think Leon is right, they are made in Taiwan. He was able to get an
"institutional" discount when purchasing the saw of 10%, so the saw
was about $2700 with everything I described (including those nice cast
iron wings) and and extra large fence and table extension to the right
side of the table.
> Kudos on a great tool review.
Thanks!
Robert
On May 9, 8:49=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:af3d67c4-1ee7-41c8-933d-d9f5978b2314@g19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 5:32 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On May 9, 12:28 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
> > > keeps his test wiener.
> > > "One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."
>
> > You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
> > my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
> > very dramatic.
>
> I should imagine. That's a lot of energy getting dumped in a short
> period of time.
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Not to mention what happens in the pants of the guy who sticks his finger
> into the blade.
As I said: "That's a lot of energy getting dumped.......LOL
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Snip
>
> All I can say is WOW. I mean, WOW.
>
Thanks for the review Robert, I have not had the privilege of using one yet
but felt the same way the first time I first was able to touch and fondle
the Industrial model at the local Woodcraft. They apparently have a bit
less expensive "Pro" cabinet saw soon to be available. I saw it at the WW
show.
On Sat, 9 May 2009 14:32:18 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
>my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
>very dramatic.
>
>I can only imagine the disturbance it will make when one of his
>knotheaded kids sets that thing off.
Not nearly as big a disturbance, I'd guess, as the one made when said
knotheaded kid runs his hand into a non-saw-stopped saw. My
observation is that there is a *lot* of activity going on right after
that action!
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
My laptop knows me too well - it just announced "your battery is low!"
On May 9, 1:19=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > I asked him if I could buy my own blade to put on the saw when I used
> > it, and he was completely fine with it.
>
> Now that is a visual!
>
> Robert sneaking into the school with a stainless steel Haliburton handcuf=
fed
> to his wrist. =A0He opens the breifcase and produces a shiny, new Woodwor=
ker
> II blade and loving installs it on this new wonder saw. =A0
He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
keeps his test wiener.
"One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."
> He uses the saw. He
> then carefully takes back his prized blade and reinstalls the old, junk
> blade.
>
> He then puts his back his wonder blade into its secure home. =A0He then s=
neaks
> off of campus with his secretly cut wood and trusty saw blade safe. =A0He
> stops off at a bar to get a drink to calm his nerves after fondling the n=
ew
> wondersaw.
>
> LOL!!
>
> Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
It's hard, eh?
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Full Cabinet Saw, 220v, 3hp. I opted for the 36" fence which will help me
> justify a track saw in the future and frees up some space today.
>
> David.
Now that there are 2 cabinet saws, was it the original industrial or the new
Pro model?
On May 9, 3:29=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:ca348c57-9775-4a0f-88f7-e59fbbaaeeda@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 1:45 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
> > it is not going to wear out. Now if some one were to make me an offer I
> > think I would be all over the SawStop.
>
> All they need to do now is to add a sliding 10' table and a scoring
> blade, and I could be in the market in 2 years. <G>
>
> Yeah I also have the major hots for the Laguna sliding table saw but I
> really don't have the room.
I'd be happy with one of those Mini Max SC3W. But space is an issue
till next spring.
Full Cabinet Saw, 220v, 3hp. I opted for the 36" fence which will help me
justify a track saw in the future and frees up some space today.
David.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Leon,
>>
>> I brought mine home a few weeks ago. My wife has been hearing me talk
>> about it for years. When she was working with me at a woodshow last month
>> she saw me demo it and also did a demo herself. She insisted I get one.
>>
>> I hated getting rid of my old CDN made Unisaw, but this is one kick ass
>> table saw aside from the safety features.
>>
>> David.
>
>
> You are my hero David! Which model did you get?
>
>
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
(Don't tell anybody, but with a small mod, you can insert the
batteries backwards, with some interesting results.)
That might change the monotony of loosing to the queens most every week.
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> This one absolutely makes me HOT!
>> http://www.lagunatools.com/panelsaw.signature.aspx
>
> And only 338 hundred. :-)
That actually sounds better.
Leon wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:b6bfab70-8a3f-4ff4-bcfd-f5e28dc36a04@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 3:33 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Leon wrote:
>>> wrote
>>>> off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade
>>>> would
>>>> "stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
>>>> available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
>>>> earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
>>> Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
>>> enough
>>> to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?
>> That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
>> year old set of D cells.
>
> 5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.
>
>
> Got one! It uses 2 D cells and pressure from your point'n finger to hold
> the switch down. :~)
Got two! ... you forget we're covering two states now, for the Canasta
Queen Belle Ball, lakeside.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:af3d67c4-1ee7-41c8-933d-d9f5978b2314@g19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 5:32 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On May 9, 12:28 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
>> > keeps his test wiener.
>> > "One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."
>>
>> You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
>> my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
>> very dramatic.
>
> I should imagine. That's a lot of energy getting dumped in a short
> period of time.
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Not to mention what happens in the pants of the guy who sticks his finger
> into the blade.
Actually, from the description of the injury (minor abrasion), the person
who actuates the stop is going to be more jarred by the noise than the
incident. Which is a good thing.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> Not to mention what happens in the pants of the guy who sticks his finger
>> into the blade.
>
> Actually, from the description of the injury (minor abrasion), the person
> who actuates the stop is going to be more jarred by the noise than the
> incident. Which is a good thing.
Well if it is an "old school" school, the slap of the blade will be followed
by a delayed whack of the pants backside by the shop made paddle.
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon,
>
> I brought mine home a few weeks ago. My wife has been hearing me talk
> about it for years. When she was working with me at a woodshow last month
> she saw me demo it and also did a demo herself. She insisted I get one.
>
> I hated getting rid of my old CDN made Unisaw, but this is one kick ass
> table saw aside from the safety features.
>
> David.
You are my hero David! Which model did you get?
Leon wrote:
wrote
> off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade would
> "stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
> available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
> earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
enough to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:3f59f6b9-
[email protected]:
> He was able to get an
> "institutional" discount when purchasing the saw of 10%,
If he is with a high school, there probably won't be sales or use tax
either, which here in Jersey is 7% ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On May 9, 1:45 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
> it is not going to wear out. Now if some one were to make me an offer I
> think I would be all over the SawStop.
>
All they need to do now is to add a sliding 10' table and a scoring
blade, and I could be in the market in 2 years. <G>
Yeah I also have the major hots for the Laguna sliding table saw but I
really don't have the room.
On May 9, 12:19=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > I asked him if I could buy my own blade to put on the saw when I used
> > it, and he was completely fine with it.
>
> Now that is a visual!
>
> Robert sneaking into the school with a stainless steel Haliburton handcuf=
fed
> to his wrist. =A0He opens the breifcase and produces a shiny, new Woodwor=
ker
> II blade and loving installs it on this new wonder saw. =A0He uses the sa=
w. He
> then carefully takes back his prized blade and reinstalls the old, junk
> blade.
>
> He then puts his back his wonder blade into its secure home. =A0He then s=
neaks
> off of campus with his secretly cut wood and trusty saw blade safe. =A0He
> stops off at a bar to get a drink to calm his nerves after fondling the n=
ew
> wondersaw.
>
> LOL!!
>
> Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
Don't laugh....
That's EXACTLY how I envisioned it!!
(I'm actually being serious here....)
;^0
Robert
On May 9, 5:32=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On May 9, 12:28=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
> > keeps his test wiener.
> > "One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."
>
> You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. =A0In talking to
> my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
> very dramatic.
I should imagine. That's a lot of energy getting dumped in a short
period of time.
On May 9, 3:33=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Leon wrote:
> > wrote
>
> >> off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade wou=
ld
> >> "stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
> >> available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
> >> earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
>
> > Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good eno=
ugh
> > to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?
>
> That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
> year old set of D cells.
5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.
On May 9, 1:45=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
> it is not going to wear out. =A0Now if some one were to make me an offer =
I
> think I would be all over the SawStop.
>
All they need to do now is to add a sliding 10' table and a scoring
blade, and I could be in the market in 2 years. <G>
On May 9, 7:26 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for the review Robert, I have not had the privilege of using one yet
> but felt the same way the first time
My pleasure.
> I first was able to touch and fondle
> the Industrial model at the local Woodcraft. They apparently have a bit
> less expensive "Pro" cabinet saw soon to be available. I saw it at the WW
> show.
I would love to see it. If they stick to their guns and make another
fine machine, the temptation to buy would be pretty damn ugly. It has
been a long time since I have just >wanted< a tool.
If you only observed and checked out the controls on the machine, you
need to find one you can use.
All these years I had heard they were good machines, but never really
paid much attention to them as I got tired of the constant whining and
bitching about their business practices, and whether or not the extra
safety features were for weenies. When I saw a blog or forum entry
anywhere on Saw Stop I just skipped it.
I had seen them in Woodcraft, but never even took the time to look
them over. Actually using one is what got my attention. I have seen
saws that have great fences, but the rest of the saw was just so-so.
I have seen saws that work great and operate great, but come with "OK"
fences.
I just haven't seen the whole package come together with no apparent
compromises like this in a really long time, and the reason I
commented here was I was just so damn surprised!
I asked him if I could buy my own blade to put on the saw when I used
it, and he was completely fine with it. Now THAT would be worth a
good look! Just a thought if you are actually curious enough to
pursue it, the Woodcraft here in town will let you cut a board or two
under supervision in their teaching shop if they "think" you are
serious about buying. It would be worth "thinking" that whether you
were or not just to test drive it.
Robert
"> Out of all the saws I have used over all the years ..."
Caught me off guard. hought "Saw Stop" was a technique tip or question
not a tool "review."
As that it failed for not being up front with the intent of the
writing and then for failing to provide the details such as URLs and
pricing information.
Why did he find it in a school shop? Of course, its that saw that
shuts down when it gets a bit of skin in the blade.
Go figure.
School systems can justify spending extra bucks for insurance claim
saving features and the purchase decision likely had less to do with
the tool's WW features than with the safety features hardly mentioned
or complained about in the "review."
Hard to find a "no spin" zone even in wood working sigs!
Leon,
I brought mine home a few weeks ago. My wife has been hearing me talk about
it for years. When she was working with me at a woodshow last month she saw
me demo it and also did a demo herself. She insisted I get one.
I hated getting rid of my old CDN made Unisaw, but this is one kick ass
table saw aside from the safety features.
David.
On May 9, 5:51=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:b6bfab70-8a3f-4ff4-bcfd-f5e28dc36a04@z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 3:33 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > Leon wrote:
> > > wrote
>
> > >> off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade
> > >> would
> > >> "stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
> > >> available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 yea=
rs
> > >> earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
>
> > > Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
> > > enough
> > > to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?
>
> > That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that =
2
> > year old set of D cells.
>
> 5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.
>
> Got one! =A0It uses 2 D cells and pressure from your point'n finger to ho=
ld
> the switch down. =A0:~)
I miss that more than anything. Angela and I used to play with my
parents, at least once a week. We even had a proper Canasta Trophy.
Neither parent has the patience or the facilities to follow the game
anymore.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On May 9, 7:26 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the review Robert, I have not had the privilege of using one
>> yet
>> but felt the same way the first time
>
> My pleasure.
>
>> I first was able to touch and fondle
>> the Industrial model at the local Woodcraft. They apparently have a bit
>> less expensive "Pro" cabinet saw soon to be available. I saw it at the
>> WW
>> show.
>
> I would love to see it. If they stick to their guns and make another
> fine machine, the temptation to buy would be pretty damn ugly. It has
> been a long time since I have just >wanted< a tool.
Their site shows the 4 versions that they are currently making, newest just
before the the latest cabinet saw is a contractors saw that has a portable
mobile base for easier construction site mobility.
http://www.sawstop.com/contractor/contractor_home.php
>
> If you only observed and checked out the controls on the machine, you
> need to find one you can use.
I know I need to. ;!) Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
it is not going to wear out. Now if some one were to make me an offer I
think I would be all over the SawStop.
>
> All these years I had heard they were good machines, but never really
> paid much attention to them as I got tired of the constant whining and
> bitching about their business practices, and whether or not the extra
> safety features were for weenies. When I saw a blog or forum entry
> anywhere on Saw Stop I just skipped it.
Yeah, I was one of the early defenders, having a some what vested interest
in the saw technology I was looking into it 8-9 years ago. Having whacked
off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade would
"stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
>
> I had seen them in Woodcraft, but never even took the time to look
> them over. Actually using one is what got my attention. I have seen
> saws that have great fences, but the rest of the saw was just so-so.
> I have seen saws that work great and operate great, but come with "OK"
> fences.
>
> I just haven't seen the whole package come together with no apparent
> compromises like this in a really long time, and the reason I
> commented here was I was just so damn surprised!
All those quality features and a riving knife.
>
> I asked him if I could buy my own blade to put on the saw when I used
> it, and he was completely fine with it. Now THAT would be worth a
> good look! Just a thought if you are actually curious enough to
> pursue it, the Woodcraft here in town will let you cut a board or two
> under supervision in their teaching shop if they "think" you are
> serious about buying. It would be worth "thinking" that whether you
> were or not just to test drive it.
Yeah my local Woodcraft has one in the class room also. I think I could
talk them into letting me test drive it with out much effort. I am afraid
that the attraction I would experience would be similar to yours, and I
don't forsee being in the market. BUT!!! IMHO it is only a matter of time
before a user is injured on a TS especially if they use one regularily. I
think it is more a matter of "when" not "if". And given that school of
thought the saw could be twice the price and it would still be a bargain
when considering pain and suffering, medical expenses and rehab.
On May 9, 12:28=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
> keeps his test wiener.
> "One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."
You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
very dramatic.
I can only imagine the disturbance it will make when one of his
knotheaded kids sets that thing off.
Oh, to be a fly on the wall.
Robert
On May 10, 6:01=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Gee Robert, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.
My natural shyness and difficulty in expressing myself usually mask my
true thoughts.
OK, well.... maybe not.
But you know, sometimes you just don't feel like listening to or
reading bullshit about something you didn't do.
> It is amazing how many people can not tell the difference between the rea=
l
> thing and bullshit. =A0Oh well, life goes on.
Yup.
> I for one really appreciated
> your gushing on this fine tool. If for no toeher reason, that fine tools =
are
> in a short supply in this market driven world. =A0And this exclusive club=
of
> tools desrve all the kind words possible. =A0You did a good thing.
Thanks. You know, I think you got where I was when I typed that one
out. I am sick of Chinese, Taiwanese, "assembled in Indonesia or
Mexico from parts from the the following countries, but not limited
those countries" and all manner of other business that defies the poor
state of tool quality today. I am sick of paying $$$ for mediocre to
crappy tools. Mostly, I was just very pleasantly surprised that the
particular machine mentioned was possibly nice enough to justify its
high price as a saw, regardless of its safety features.
I for one (and know many here as well) will pay for good quality if we
know we are getting it. Although much maligned by many for their
business practices, and debated to the last minuscule point on whether
safety features are necessary or not, I was surprised in the fact it
was actually a very nice tool.
So I was thinking.... what if someone is looking for a saw about now?
That is actually how I bought my Fuji HVLP. Maxprop used to post
here, and he sent me some really great stuff on the Fuji Q4 after
mentioning it here several years ago at exactly the right time for me
to help make my decision making process. Nothing like hands on
experience. He answered questions that the magazine reviewers never
bothered to ask.
Anyway - we used to see a lot more of the tool comments, sometimes a
(*gasp*) review or two and we hadn't had any in a while. I am hoping
others will continue to post their thoughts as I know there are a lot
that read this newsgroup, but few that comment.
The post by HP was so off course, so dumb and inaccurate I probably
should have just ignored it.
But you know, some days you just can't.
Robert
On May 10, 8:35=A0am, Hoosierpopi <[email protected]> wrote:
> "> Out of all the saws I have used over all the years ..."
>
> Caught me off guard. hought "Saw Stop" was a technique tip or question
> not a tool "review."
>
> As that it failed for not being up front with the intent of the
> writing and then for failing to provide the details such as URLs and
> pricing information.
You gotta be kidding me... you may indeed be the only living wood
worker on this planet that had not at least heard of this product. It
has been the subject of countless magazine reviews for the product, as
well as some questionable business practices.
As far as providing you with URLs, price information, where to buy,
instruction on how to set it up, what kind of blade to use, how to
protect the top from damage, how to set the fence, and anything else
you might want... DAGS. Recognize the header: "A Quick Saw Stop
comment"
If it didn't meet your criteria for a **quick comment** I think it is
fucking ridiculous that you feel betrayed since " As that it failed
for not being up front with the intent of the writing". Do tell....
what was my intent? A quick comment maybe? Could that be it?
> School systems can justify spending extra bucks for insurance claim
> saving features and the purchase decision likely had less to do with
> the tool's WW features than with the safety features hardly mentioned
> or complained about in the "review."
Idiot.
Did you read anything I wrote, or was your expulsion of keyboard
diarrhea the first thing you did when you felt betrayed?
Of course the school bought the tool for the safety features. Nice
heads up. It is the ONLY way they will let them have table saw. The
other one was removed.
> than with the safety features hardly mentioned
> or complained about in the "review."
Once again, I don't know how removed you are from the woodworking
community, but you must be in your own world, far away from the rest
of us. Personally I have found the safety features, the cartridge
replacement features and cost, their viability and actual worth are
subjects that have been hammered to pointless obscurity. Again, try
DAGS. Go to any other forum, site, or long time blog and you will
find more than you can read.
> or complained about in the "review."
Idiot. No kidding... just that. A fucking idiot.
Where was the word "review" used? And do you really have the right to
put your expectations onto someone else's time and effort? If you do,
try READING something before you comment. While you are making your
sarcastic comments, it is easy to see you didn't read what I wrote.
As a good example, try to find ONE example of a complaint in my
commentary.
"'review" (in quotations to indicate your sarcasm)
"complaint" (your description because your basic comprehension skills
are so small and you obviously don't have access to a dictionary for
definitions)
Just a fucking idiot.
> Hard to find a "no spin" zone even in wood working sigs!
Really hard to find something that isn't there, eh? Reading my post
you will see there is no sig. Where did that come from? And do tell
me, what "spin" did you think I put in my comments? Anything?
Anywhere?
Don't reply post anything unless you read, understand, (probably
should mention -read- again) and comprehend the words floating before
your face.
Robert <<<<<<<<<<<< no sig
Robert
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On May 9, 5:04 am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Damn Robert, it is hard to read your review while drooling. I am getting
>> a
>> hard case of tool envy.
>
> I rarely have tool envy, and haven't had it for years. It has been a
> long time since I have had it over stationary tools. But it was
> immediate and bad after I got over my amazement with this machine.
Have you gotten over the "shakes" yet?
>
> My buddy has just renewed his contract with the district, so I will
> probably have fairly good access to this saw when I want for the price
> of a burger and coke around lunch time.
Yeah they let you have it for free the first time, to get you hooked. Now
you are going to have to pay for your fix. LOL
>> It is good to see that you can still buy quality. Even if you have to
>> pay
>> extra for it. Where are these things manufactured?
>
> I think Leon is right, they are made in Taiwan. He was able to get an
> "institutional" discount when purchasing the saw of 10%, so the saw
> was about $2700 with everything I described (including those nice cast
> iron wings) and and extra large fence and table extension to the right
> side of the table.
And to tell you the truth that is not that far out of line considering a
new JET Exacta retails for $2100 and the PM2000 is the same price on Amazon,
and the new Delta Unisaw is more than that at Woodcraft.
> This one absolutely makes me HOT!
> http://www.lagunatools.com/panelsaw.signature.aspx
>
And only 338 hundred. :-)
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Lee Michaels wrote:
>> You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
>> my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
>> very dramatic.
>
> I should imagine. That's a lot of energy getting dumped in a short
> period of time.
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Not to mention what happens in the pants of the guy who sticks his finger
> into the blade.
>
It's the aural equivalent of a slap to the back of the head. :-)
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[email protected] wrote:
> But you know, sometimes you just don't feel like listening to or
> reading bullshit about something you didn't do.
LOL! .. some days the fact that dumbshits and WikiPicky's are taking
over the culture is just way too much to take.
That, and reading comprehension is observably at an all time low ...
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In article <d56668b1-0021-46b1-aae2-008a2ae5460a@o27g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, Hoosierpopi <[email protected]> wrote:
>"> Out of all the saws I have used over all the years ..."
>
>Caught me off guard. hought "Saw Stop" was a technique tip or question
>not a tool "review."
If you thought that, then you must be even dumber than the rest of your post
makes you appear -- considering that you commented on the SawStop in a thread
titled "Is a SawStop Table Saw Worth the Money?"
(message <[email protected]>, dated 7 June
2007)
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On May 9, 3:33 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Leon wrote:
> > wrote
>
> >> off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade
> >> would
> >> "stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
> >> available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
> >> earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
>
> > Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
> > enough
> > to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?
>
> That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
> year old set of D cells.
5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.
Got one! It uses 2 D cells and pressure from your point'n finger to hold
the switch down. :~)
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On May 9, 3:29 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:ca348c57-9775-4a0f-88f7-e59fbbaaeeda@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 1:45 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
> > it is not going to wear out. Now if some one were to make me an offer I
> > think I would be all over the SawStop.
>
> All they need to do now is to add a sliding 10' table and a scoring
> blade, and I could be in the market in 2 years. <G>
>
> Yeah I also have the major hots for the Laguna sliding table saw but I
> really don't have the room.
I'd be happy with one of those Mini Max SC3W. But space is an issue
till next spring.
This one absolutely makes me HOT!
http://www.lagunatools.com/panelsaw.signature.aspx
On Sat, 09 May 2009 17:57:28 -0700, Tim Douglass
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 9 May 2009 14:32:18 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
>>my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
>>very dramatic.
>>
>>I can only imagine the disturbance it will make when one of his
>>knotheaded kids sets that thing off.
>
>Not nearly as big a disturbance, I'd guess, as the one made when said
>knotheaded kid runs his hand into a non-saw-stopped saw. My
>observation is that there is a *lot* of activity going on right after
>that action!
The problem would be when the kids know what is going to happen and do
it intentionally, either just to cause trouble or on a dare. At least
$100 every time to replace the unit and cheap blade.
The first thing I'd do is remove or paint over everything that said
Sawstop on it and just not tell them.
-Kevin
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
> Damn Robert, it is hard to read your review while drooling. I am getting
> a hard case of tool envy.
>
> It is good to see that you can still buy quality. Even if you have to pay
> extra for it. Where are these things manufactured? Kudos on a great tool
> review.
IIRC the first prototypes looked very similar to the PM66. I think that
they could be made in Taiwan.
Apparently they now have prototypes of a band saw, a cut-off saw, a miter
saw, and a hand-held circular saw.
http://www.sawstop.com/future/future_home.phphttp://www.sawstop.com/future/future_home.php
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
> wrote
>
>
>> off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade would
>> "stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
>> available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
>> earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
>
> Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good enough
> to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?
That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
year old set of D cells.