Herman Miller furniture

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:40:48 +0000, Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:06:20 -0700, Richard Clements
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>isn't Herman Miller the stuff we have in cubieland at work?
>
> If you have a high-end cubefarm, then yes.

Love my Herman Miller Aero chair. Comfy and, er, ventilated, y'see.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:22:08 GMT, Lobby Dosser <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Love my Herman Miller Aero chair. Comfy and, er, ventilated, y'see.
>
> Also known as a fart-through chair.

Yes; our part of the cube-farm is known as the 'aisle of flatulance', and
not for unfair reasons, I'm afraid.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:52:42 +0000, Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 18 Nov 2004 20:41:51 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Love my Herman Miller Aero chair.
>
> I hated the Aeron. Borrowed one for a week, didn't get on with it at
> all. Of course, that was probably because I hadn't had one ordered to
> fit, I was borrowing a woman's, and I hadn't been on the training
> course for how to adjust it.

Ah yes, the adjustments. We have one joker in the office who
likes to mis-adjust the chairs of others. He has, er,
been cured of that. But once it's just right, man...it doesn't
get any better. As someone else said here, though, they're
beastlyexpensive. If they weren't, I'd ave one at home.

Dave

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:57:34 -0500, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Don't get me started on the Aeron. It looked cool, but it was about the
> most uncomfortable thing I've ever sat on. I found it literally painful
> to sit in for more than a few minutes.
>

Too bad. Once you learn how to use 'em, they're fantastic.
There's only (thinks) 9 or 10 adjustments, after all. Wait, 12.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:34:51 +0000, Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2004 02:04:07 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Ah yes, the adjustments.
>
> One problem with Aerons is that they're _not_ adjustable. Some of the
> parts (mainly the width) are fitted by interchanging the parts when
> they're ordered. Once you've got it, you're stuck with it.

Yeah, the seat bottom part is more contoured than other chairs, so I can
see how if you're about 7" wider than me in that dimension, it'd be
uncomfortable.

> OTOH, I've not yet seen an Aeron that has collapsed due to Fat Geek
> syndrome. Working in large IT offices, some of the people with 64-bit
> backsides can break lesser chairs.

We've got more than a couple 128-bit backsides here. Wisconsin, y'know.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:08:21 -0500, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:57:34 -0500, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Don't get me started on the Aeron. It looked cool, but it was about the
>> > most uncomfortable thing I've ever sat on. I found it literally painful
>> > to sit in for more than a few minutes.
>>
>> Too bad. Once you learn how to use 'em, they're fantastic.
>> There's only (thinks) 9 or 10 adjustments, after all. Wait, 12.
>
> I want a chair, not a hobby.

Does your body change shape drastically often, that this would be
a daily thing you'd have to change?

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 02:16:29 +0000, Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2004 15:57:36 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>We've got more than a couple 128-bit backsides here. Wisconsin, y'know.
>
> Those are cows. You appear to be working in a Far Side cartoon.
> Don't let the dark glasses and the Ben & Jerry's T-shirts fool you.

I have just been hit by said cow-orker, who tells me he is not, in fact,
a cow. He's from Iowa, so he would know, I guess. Maybe he's a pear.

Dave "About to get hit again, I bet" Hinz

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 02:27:12 GMT, Mark Jerde <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>
>> Ah yes, the adjustments. We have one joker in the office who
>> likes to mis-adjust the chairs of others. He has, er,
>> been cured of that.
>
> Ahhh... A "blanket party"? <g>

Naah, psychological means are more effective, and don't get one fired.

Dave "Er, so I've heard, that is" Hinz

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:14:05 +0000, Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 22 Nov 2004 17:09:34 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I have just been hit by said cow-orker, who tells me he is not, in fact,
>>a cow. He's from Iowa, so he would know, I guess. Maybe he's a pear.
>
> Maybe the potato-shaped Unix guy is from Idaho ?

How did you know I was a Unix guy? (hm...) Ah yes, we've met in another
context. Funny how that works. But yeah, he's more pear (read: potoato
shape plus settling).

Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:22:08 GMT, Lobby Dosser
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Love my Herman Miller Aero chair. Comfy and, er, ventilated, y'see.
>>
>> Also known as a fart-through chair.
>
> Yes; our part of the cube-farm is known as the 'aisle of flatulance',
> and not for unfair reasons, I'm afraid.
>
>

LOL!!

isn't Herman Miller the stuff we have in cubieland at work?
BUB 209 wrote:

> I'd never heard of it until a customer wanted me to make a desk to go
> along
> with a Herman Miller piece they've owned since the 1950's. It's pretty
> cool
> stuff and not very difficult to make. Some Herman Miller furniture is
> collectable
> I've heard. If you'd like to see the small artist's tabouret she showed
> me, go to: http://www.edswoods.com/appendix.html/

you know they cost more then a lazy boy, right
Dave Hinz wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:40:48 +0000, Andy Dingley <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:06:20 -0700, Richard Clements
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>isn't Herman Miller the stuff we have in cubieland at work?
>>
>> If you have a high-end cubefarm, then yes.
>
> Love my Herman Miller Aero chair. Comfy and, er, ventilated, y'see.

"BUB 209" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> It's pretty cool stuff .
Yes it is...

> Some Herman Miller furniture is
> collectable
> I've heard.

Yes it is...

Dave Hinz wrote:

> Ah yes, the adjustments. We have one joker in the office who
> likes to mis-adjust the chairs of others. He has, er,
> been cured of that.

Ahhh... A "blanket party"? <g>

-- Mark

Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:40:48 +0000, Andy Dingley
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:06:20 -0700, Richard Clements
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>isn't Herman Miller the stuff we have in cubieland at work?
>>
>> If you have a high-end cubefarm, then yes.
>
> Love my Herman Miller Aero chair. Comfy and, er, ventilated, y'see.
>
>

Also known as a fart-through chair.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:21:12 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Even though I knew where you were going when I saw "64-bit"
>at the end of the line, I still LOL when I turned the corner to the last
>line. As someone who started out with 8 bit words in FORTRAN (and even
>used 4-bit half words to save space), for me 32-bit seems large and a
>64-bit anything will always seem huge. -- Igor


I went in the opposite direction: first machine I worked on was a
60-bit CDC, then a 36-bit DEC20, followed by 32-bit "supermicros",
and finally a 16-bit PC. We've turned around and worked our way
back up from there :-)

On 18 Nov 2004 20:41:51 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>Love my Herman Miller Aero chair.

I hated the Aeron. Borrowed one for a week, didn't get on with it at
all. Of course, that was probably because I hadn't had one ordered to
fit, I was borrowing a woman's, and I hadn't been on the training
course for how to adjust it.


--
Smert' spamionam

On 18 Nov 2004 00:42:01 GMT, [email protected] (BUB 209) wrote:

>I'd never heard of it until a customer wanted me to make a desk to go along
>with a Herman Miller piece they've owned since the 1950's. It's pretty cool
>stuff and not very difficult to make. Some Herman Miller furniture is
>collectable
>I've heard. If you'd like to see the small artist's tabouret she showed me, go
>to: http://www.edswoods.com/appendix.html/

They make the Eames Chair.
http://www.themagazine.info/products/-/150.html

My Dad had this chair. Bought it maybe 35-40 years ago. It was strange on
my first visit to NY to the Museum of Modern Art, as a kid -- I turned a
corner and there was my Dad's chair. "Hey, what's that doing here?" I
just thought it was a weird looking chair, not one by some famous designer.
The only designer furniture in our house. Don't know how much it cost new,
but it is now worth about $2k, as is, even though (or because) it has the
original leather, which is cracked. That bent ply was a big deal back then,
and my Dad's is the original version in rosewood. I never liked its look
or for sitting, though my Dad loved it as much as Archie Bunker loved his
(though Dad was not as territorial about his). It is now on perpetual
rotation between the siblings -- all but me. I got the tools -- just hand
tools, and a vise, but that's what I wanted. -- Igor

On 19 Nov 2004 15:57:36 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>We've got more than a couple 128-bit backsides here. Wisconsin, y'know.

Those are cows. You appear to be working in a Far Side cartoon.
Don't let the dark glasses and the Ben & Jerry's T-shirts fool you.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:06:20 -0700, Richard Clements
<[email protected]> wrote:

>isn't Herman Miller the stuff we have in cubieland at work?

If you have a high-end cubefarm, then yes.

They make it just down the road from me (Bath and Chippenham). Cycling
along the river path into Bath you ride past the air outlet from their
dust collector. Quite pleasant in Winter, as it's a warm blast even
from thirty feet away. The smell of crispy MDF reminds me that I could
be at home with my own router too, not cycling to work.

--
Smert' spamionam

Roy Smith wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 18 Nov 2004 20:41:51 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Love my Herman Miller Aero chair.
>>
>> I hated the Aeron. Borrowed one for a week, didn't get on with it at
>> all. Of course, that was probably because I hadn't had one ordered to
>> fit, I was borrowing a woman's, and I hadn't been on the training
>> course for how to adjust it.
>
> Don't get me started on the Aeron. It looked cool, but it was about the
> most uncomfortable thing I've ever sat on. I found it literally painful
> to sit in for more than a few minutes.
>
> The company I used to work for thought they were doing a nice thing for
> everybody by buying all new chairs for everybody (Aeron, of course). I
> scrambled to snag one of the old ones for my office.
>
> What an amazing piece of marketing to convince the entire corporate
> world that such a disasterous piece of ergonomic engineering was the
> cool "had to have" thing of the decade.

I'm sitting in one right now. Quite comfortable. It has a zillion
adjustments though--perhaps you had a crucial one wrong. Or maybe just the
wrong size--they come in three.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Andy Dingley wrote:

> On 19 Nov 2004 02:04:07 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Ah yes, the adjustments.
>
> One problem with Aerons is that they're _not_ adjustable.

For size anyway. Plenty of other adjustments though.

> Some of the
> parts (mainly the width) are fitted by interchanging the parts when
> they're ordered. Once you've got it, you're stuck with it.
>
> OTOH, I've not yet seen an Aeron that has collapsed due to Fat Geek
> syndrome. Working in large IT offices, some of the people with 64-bit
> backsides can break lesser chairs.

That's kind of what pushed me off center to get an Aeron--I had had an Ergon
that I bought used--it was actually a composite of an Ergon seat and the
base off another brand that the store had put together. The stand finally
went bust and I went through three Staples chairs before deciding that I'd
already spent enough on crap chairs to pay for an Aeron and if I was going
to pay for another I might as well be sitting in it.

One place I did some computer work I sat in a particular chair that seemed
familiar. Tipped it up and sure enough it was a genuine Ergon among all
the cheap junk. I told the person who normally sat in it what she had--she
was kind of surprised to know that she was sitting in a better chair than
the CEO.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

igor wrote:

> On 18 Nov 2004 00:42:01 GMT, [email protected] (BUB 209) wrote:
>
>>I'd never heard of it until a customer wanted me to make a desk to go
>>along
>>with a Herman Miller piece they've owned since the 1950's. It's pretty
>>cool
>>stuff and not very difficult to make. Some Herman Miller furniture is
>>collectable
>>I've heard. If you'd like to see the small artist's tabouret she showed
>>me, go to: http://www.edswoods.com/appendix.html/
>
> They make the Eames Chair.
> http://www.themagazine.info/products/-/150.html
>
> My Dad had this chair. Bought it maybe 35-40 years ago. It was strange
> on my first visit to NY to the Museum of Modern Art, as a kid -- I turned
> a
> corner and there was my Dad's chair. "Hey, what's that doing here?" I
> just thought it was a weird looking chair, not one by some famous
> designer.
> The only designer furniture in our house. Don't know how much it cost
> new, but it is now worth about $2k, as is, even though (or because) it has
> the original leather, which is cracked. That bent ply was a big deal back
> then,
> and my Dad's is the original version in rosewood.

FWIW, mine is apparently a real rarity--it's rosewood with blue leather--I
asked HM what it would cost to replace it with the exact same and they told
me that they can't--apparently it was a custom job.

Price new on an Eames is around $4K IIRC.

Still popular chairs and appear regularly as props on TV and in movies.
Noticed a couple of them in the shrink's office on Joan of Arcadia tonight.

> I never liked its look
> or for sitting, though my Dad loved it as much as Archie Bunker loved his
> (though Dad was not as territorial about his). It is now on perpetual
> rotation between the siblings -- all but me. I got the tools -- just hand
> tools, and a vise, but that's what I wanted. -- Igor

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:42:57 -0500, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]>
wrote:


>FWIW, mine is apparently a real rarity--it's rosewood with blue leather--I
>asked HM what it would cost to replace it with the exact same and they told
>me that they can't--apparently it was a custom job.

Yes, blue is unusual, IME.
>
>Price new on an Eames is around $4K IIRC.
>
>Still popular chairs and appear regularly as props on TV and in movies.
>Noticed a couple of them in the shrink's office on Joan of Arcadia tonight.
>

I've seen it on a number of shows over the years. It's inconic.

On 22 Nov 2004 17:09:34 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>I have just been hit by said cow-orker, who tells me he is not, in fact,
>a cow. He's from Iowa, so he would know, I guess. Maybe he's a pear.

Maybe the potato-shaped Unix guy is from Idaho ?

In article <[email protected]>,
Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 18 Nov 2004 20:41:51 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Love my Herman Miller Aero chair.
>
> I hated the Aeron. Borrowed one for a week, didn't get on with it at
> all. Of course, that was probably because I hadn't had one ordered to
> fit, I was borrowing a woman's, and I hadn't been on the training
> course for how to adjust it.

Don't get me started on the Aeron. It looked cool, but it was about the
most uncomfortable thing I've ever sat on. I found it literally painful
to sit in for more than a few minutes.

The company I used to work for thought they were doing a nice thing for
everybody by buying all new chairs for everybody (Aeron, of course). I
scrambled to snag one of the old ones for my office.

What an amazing piece of marketing to convince the entire corporate
world that such a disasterous piece of ergonomic engineering was the
cool "had to have" thing of the decade.

In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:57:34 -0500, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Don't get me started on the Aeron. It looked cool, but it was about the
> > most uncomfortable thing I've ever sat on. I found it literally painful
> > to sit in for more than a few minutes.
> >
>
> Too bad. Once you learn how to use 'em, they're fantastic.
> There's only (thinks) 9 or 10 adjustments, after all. Wait, 12.

I want a chair, not a hobby.

On 19 Nov 2004 02:04:07 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>Ah yes, the adjustments.

One problem with Aerons is that they're _not_ adjustable. Some of the
parts (mainly the width) are fitted by interchanging the parts when
they're ordered. Once you've got it, you're stuck with it.

OTOH, I've not yet seen an Aeron that has collapsed due to Fat Geek
syndrome. Working in large IT offices, some of the people with 64-bit
backsides can break lesser chairs.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:34:51 +0000, Andy Dingley <[email protected]>
wrote:

>OTOH, I've not yet seen an Aeron that has collapsed due to Fat Geek
>syndrome. Working in large IT offices, some of the people with 64-bit
>backsides can break lesser chairs.

Even though I knew where you were going when I saw "64-bit"
at the end of the line, I still LOL when I turned the corner to the last
line. As someone who started out with 8 bit words in FORTRAN (and even
used 4-bit half words to save space), for me 32-bit seems large and a
64-bit anything will always seem huge. -- Igor