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"Allen Wrench"

04/04/2012 9:27 PM

Black Walnet Tree

I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from 15h
x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. I
plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful, they
can be seen here >>>>>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream

Waddya think?


This topic has 30 replies

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[email protected] (Scott Lurndal)

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

08/04/2012 4:08 PM

Jack <[email protected]> writes:
>On 4/7/2012 2:26 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Jack<[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> To use it for other than lathe work, you pretty much need a jointer,
>>> band saw, table saw and a planer would be nice.
>>
>> Actually, a bowsaw and hand planes work perfectly well with firewood,
>
>What are they, hand tools of some sort? Yes, I think I once cut down a
>Xmas tree with a bowsour, May have seen a hand plane used once by that
>crazy SOB Roy Underhill, not sure.
>
>> and the sand in the firewood won't mess up your jointer/planer blades.
>
>Sand? No sand in any walnut grown around here?

Firewood usually is stored on bare ground. Bare ground has, in many
locations, sand and other grit, which tends to become embedded into
the exterior of the firewood.

Your milage may vary.

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

05/04/2012 9:14 AM


"Allen Wrench" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
>walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from
>15h x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of
>them. I plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them
>but wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful,
>they can be seen here >>>>>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream


If you have any designs on using this wood seal the end grain or the
checking will continue and you'll have some nice firewood... ;~)

John

c

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

05/04/2012 10:05 AM

The smaller log (limb?) would make a nice rolling pin, even if it would be for decor, only. Rolling pins make for nice gifts for your dedicated cooking friends.

All sorts of uses for those logs.

Do you have access to the root ball(s)? If you can easily get the root balls, that is some really nice burl/figured wood. Root balls are hell to dig up by hand, but if there is a backhoe, tractor or some other equipment handy, get the rootball(s), also.

Sonny

cb

charlie b

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

08/04/2012 8:11 PM

Wouldn't recommend using latex paint as an end grain sealer of green
wood. Modern latex paint are formulate to breathe - albeit slowly - but
not slow enough to keep green wood from splitting.

If you can't get Anchorseal, get some paraffin - sold at hardware stores
for canning food. Melt in a double broiler, the container of wax NOT in
contact with the heat source. WAX WILL CATCH FIRE - HENCE CANDLES.
Once molten use and old brush to brush it on the end grain.

c

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

06/04/2012 5:01 AM

I thought I had replied again, but I guess I hit the wrong post button.

If you had planned to make boards with any of those logs, you could saw the=
m now, to say 5/4, and they would dry faster. Any warpage, for that length=
of board, would be insignificant and easy to remedy. Sticker and paint th=
e ends.

For turning a project, you can turn while still green, it's easier turning =
green wood. Turn the piece down until the project is 70%,80% maybe 90% fin=
ished, let dry (and the wood shrinks), then finish the project later. This=
way, the drying time is reduced. Those logs, as is, will take a long time=
to dry.

Sonny

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

05/04/2012 1:38 PM

On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 6:27:47 PM UTC-7, Allen Wrench wrote:
> I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
> walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from 15h
> x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. I
> plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
> wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful, they
> can be seen here >>>>>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>
> Waddya think?

Yes these are useful sources of nice lumber. You need to learn a bit about proper drying of whole logs and wait it out until they are ready to use. Then ave some great fun breaking them down and making stuff.

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

05/04/2012 10:41 PM

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:27:47 -0400, "Allen Wrench" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old
>> black walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes
>> range from 15h x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't
>> measure all of them. I plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make
>> something from them but wondering if others may be interested as
>> well. If pictures are helpful, they can be seen here >>>>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>>
>> Waddya think?
>
> You betcha. What idiot MF cut them that short? Makes a grown man
> cry!

Kinda looks like they were blocked up for firewood. Oh well - like you
say... turn small items out of them. Maybe no matter - if they were limb
wood they wouldn't be much good for lumber anyway. If they were trunks -
they are still awful small for lumber value.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

sS

[email protected] (Scott Lurndal)

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

07/04/2012 6:26 PM

Jack <[email protected]> writes:

>To use it for other than lathe work, you pretty much need a jointer,
>band saw, table saw and a planer would be nice.

Actually, a bowsaw and hand planes work perfectly well with firewood,
and the sand in the firewood won't mess up your jointer/planer blades.

scott

Gs

Gramp's shop

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

07/04/2012 10:19 AM

On 4/6/2012 6:14 AM, Allen Wrench wrote:
> "Gramp's shop"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/4/2012 8:27 PM, Allen Wrench wrote:
>>> I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
>>> walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from
>>> 15h
>>> x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them.
>>> I
>>> plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
>>> wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful,
>>> they
>>> can be seen here>>>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>>>
>>> Waddya think?
>>>
>>>
>> I think I see two platters and a nice bowl there. If you're willing to
>> send a few, I'll pay for the freight.
>>
>> Larry
>
> I never shipped wood before. Where do you live?
>
>
Racine, WI

ME

Martin Eastburn

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

06/04/2012 10:13 PM

Madrone - nice pretty wood when you get some stable.

The tree has a weak trunk and bends with the wind. It is
a fantastic tree - having a 24" diameter trunk running almost
horizontal for 20 feet before bending.

I have two walking canes that I cut from young 1" thick trees.
I could not shape the shapes they are if I were crazy!

Good luck - wood likes to explode releasing internal pressures.

Martin

On 4/6/2012 10:20 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:09:35 -0700, Ralph E Lindberg
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article<[email protected]>, "Allen Wrench"<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:27:47 -0400, "Allen Wrench"<[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
>>>>> walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from
>>>>> 15h
>>>>> x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. I
>>>>> plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
>>>>> wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful,
>>>>> they
>>>>> can be seen here>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>>>>>
>>>>> Waddya think?
>>>>
>>>> You betcha. What idiot MF cut them that short? Makes a grown man
>>>> cry! Well, at least small carvings and lathe articles can be made
>>>> from them. Paint the ends of the logs tonight!
>>>> http://www.uccoatings.com/products/anchorseal
>>>>
>>> According to the dealer list from the link you provided, there isn't one
>>> nearby, but I will ask the local Woodcraft when I go there today after work.
>>> Any other coating you recommend?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> Wax works, so does heavy latex paint (buy some mis-mixed at your local
>> big-box store)
>
> I lost an entire lot of madrone stump wood after trying to seal it
> with thick latex paint, 2 coats. It didn't seem to slow it at all.
>
> --
> Life is an escalator:
> You can move forward or backward;
> you can not remain still.
> -- Patricia Russell-McCloud

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

07/04/2012 9:21 AM

On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 07:44:02 -0700, Ralph E Lindberg
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I lost an entire lot of madrone stump wood after trying to seal it
>> with thick latex paint, 2 coats. It didn't seem to slow it at all.
>>
> The ONLY way I have found to handle Madrone is boil (about an hour per
>inch of thickness)
>
>I get almost zero failures with this method

Filed for future reference, while pondering the logistics of larger
pieces which could be life-size carvings...

--
Life is an escalator:
You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
-- Patricia Russell-McCloud

Rr

RonB

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

07/04/2012 7:17 PM

On Apr 4, 8:27=A0pm, "Allen Wrench" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
> walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from =
15h
> x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. =
I
> plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
> wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful, t=
hey
> can be seen here >>>>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/704657283=
1/in/photostream
>
> Waddya think?

Looks nice but it is too bad they have been cut short. Even twice
that length could have yielded some valuable wood. There is a guy in
SE Kansas that sells rough blank black walnut shotgun and rifle stock
blanks. When I say rough I mean sawn to the general size of a stock
and sealed. He gets anywhere from $75 to hundreds of dollars for a
blank. His more expensive chunks have a lot of figuring.

RonB

Du

Dave

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

06/04/2012 8:53 AM

On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 05:01:36 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:
>For turning a project, you can turn while still green, it's easier turning green wood. Turn the piece down until the project is 70%,80% maybe 90% finished, let dry (and the wood shrinks), then finish the project later. This way, the drying time is reduced. Those logs, as is, will take a long time to dry.

OR, he can use PEG (polyethylene glycol-1000) to speed up the process.
http://owic.oregonstate.edu/sites/default/files/pubs/peg.pdf

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

06/04/2012 9:23 PM

On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 22:13:51 -0500, Martin Eastburn
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Madrone - nice pretty wood when you get some stable.
>
>The tree has a weak trunk and bends with the wind. It is
>a fantastic tree - having a 24" diameter trunk running almost
>horizontal for 20 feet before bending.
>
>I have two walking canes that I cut from young 1" thick trees.
>I could not shape the shapes they are if I were crazy!
>
>Good luck - wood likes to explode releasing internal pressures.

I gave it away as firewood after it all cracked on me.
Next time, I use anchorseal or polyethylene glycol.


--
Life is an escalator:
You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
-- Patricia Russell-McCloud

ST

Steve Turner

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

04/04/2012 8:48 PM

On 4/4/2012 8:27 PM, Allen Wrench wrote:
> I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
> walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from 15h
> x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. I
> plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
> wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful, they
> can be seen here>>>>>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>
> Waddya think?

No value whatsoever. Send them to me and I'll get rid of them for you.

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To reply, eat the taco.
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AW

"Allen Wrench"

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

06/04/2012 7:13 AM


"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:27:47 -0400, "Allen Wrench" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
>>walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from
>>15h
>>x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. I
>>plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
>>wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful,
>>they
>>can be seen here >>>>>
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>>
>>Waddya think?
>
> You betcha. What idiot MF cut them that short? Makes a grown man
> cry! Well, at least small carvings and lathe articles can be made
> from them. Paint the ends of the logs tonight!
> http://www.uccoatings.com/products/anchorseal
>
According to the dealer list from the link you provided, there isn't one
nearby, but I will ask the local Woodcraft when I go there today after work.
Any other coating you recommend?

Thanks

AW

"Allen Wrench"

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

06/04/2012 7:14 AM


"Gramp's shop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/4/2012 8:27 PM, Allen Wrench wrote:
>> I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
>> walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from
>> 15h
>> x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them.
>> I
>> plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
>> wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful,
>> they
>> can be seen here>>>>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>>
>> Waddya think?
>>
>>
> I think I see two platters and a nice bowl there. If you're willing to
> send a few, I'll pay for the freight.
>
> Larry

I never shipped wood before. Where do you live?

dD

[email protected] (Drew Lawson)

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

06/04/2012 1:17 PM

In article <[email protected]>
"Allen Wrench" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> http://www.uccoatings.com/products/anchorseal
>>
>According to the dealer list from the link you provided, there isn't one
>nearby, but I will ask the local Woodcraft when I go there today after work.
>Any other coating you recommend?
>

My Woodcraft carries Anchorseal, or did the last time I ran out.
They used to have their own branded "green wood sealer." I didn't
notice any difference between the two.


--
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| the ground came up and hit us.
| -- Cylon warrior

ST

Steve Turner

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

06/04/2012 10:40 AM

On 4/6/2012 10:20 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:09:35 -0700, Ralph E Lindberg
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article<[email protected]>, "Allen Wrench"<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:27:47 -0400, "Allen Wrench"<[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
>>>>> walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from
>>>>> 15h
>>>>> x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. I
>>>>> plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
>>>>> wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful,
>>>>> they
>>>>> can be seen here>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>>>>>
>>>>> Waddya think?
>>>>
>>>> You betcha. What idiot MF cut them that short? Makes a grown man
>>>> cry! Well, at least small carvings and lathe articles can be made
>>>> from them. Paint the ends of the logs tonight!
>>>> http://www.uccoatings.com/products/anchorseal
>>>>
>>> According to the dealer list from the link you provided, there isn't one
>>> nearby, but I will ask the local Woodcraft when I go there today after work.
>>> Any other coating you recommend?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> Wax works, so does heavy latex paint (buy some mis-mixed at your local
>> big-box store)
>
> I lost an entire lot of madrone stump wood after trying to seal it
> with thick latex paint, 2 coats. It didn't seem to slow it at all.

Yeah, I had a big pile of sugar maple that I tried to seal with a heavy coat of
latex paint, and that didn't work for shit. The "Green Wood End Sealer" that
Woodcraft sells is wax based and actually *works*, but they only sell it in
gallons, and at the rate I acquire green wood for drying (not very often) it
will probably last me my entire life and beyond.

--
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To reply, eat the taco.
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Jj

Jack

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

07/04/2012 1:14 PM

On 4/6/2012 7:13 AM, Allen Wrench wrote:
> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:27:47 -0400, "Allen Wrench"<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
>>> walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from
>>> 15h
>>> x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. I
>>> plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
>>> wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful,
>>> they
>>> can be seen here>>>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>>>
>>> Waddya think?
>>
>> You betcha. What idiot MF cut them that short? Makes a grown man
>> cry! Well, at least small carvings and lathe articles can be made
>> from them. Paint the ends of the logs tonight!
>> http://www.uccoatings.com/products/anchorseal
>>
> According to the dealer list from the link you provided, there isn't one
> nearby, but I will ask the local Woodcraft when I go there today after work.
> Any other coating you recommend?

Yes, get some paraffin wax, candle wax, some sort of wax. Get an old
iron, melt the wax into the ends of the logs.

If you have a lathe, you probably wouldn't be asking, but if you do,
turning green wood is a treat, turn it rough, melt wax all over it, let
it sit for a year or till dry, and then finish turning it.

They cut the wood too small for much other than lathe turnings (perfect
for lathe turnings like bowls, mallets, tool handles, goblets etc.

To use it for other than lathe work, you pretty much need a jointer,
band saw, table saw and a planer would be nice. You can make some small
boxes out of it, maybe some cutting boards pencil holders etc. I can
see from here it is really nice wood. I've made all sorts of stuff from
firewood like that, maple, cherry and some walnut like you have.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

Jj

Jack

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

08/04/2012 1:03 AM

On 4/7/2012 2:26 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Jack<[email protected]> writes:
>
>> To use it for other than lathe work, you pretty much need a jointer,
>> band saw, table saw and a planer would be nice.
>
> Actually, a bowsaw and hand planes work perfectly well with firewood,

What are they, hand tools of some sort? Yes, I think I once cut down a
Xmas tree with a bowsour, May have seen a hand plane used once by that
crazy SOB Roy Underhill, not sure.

> and the sand in the firewood won't mess up your jointer/planer blades.

Sand? No sand in any walnut grown around here?

--
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Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

Jj

Jack

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

11/04/2012 5:02 PM

On 4/9/2012 12:11 AM, charlie b wrote:
> Wouldn't recommend using latex paint as an end grain sealer of green
> wood. Modern latex paint are formulate to breathe - albeit slowly - but
> not slow enough to keep green wood from splitting.
>
> If you can't get Anchorseal, get some paraffin - sold at hardware stores
> for canning food. Melt in a double broiler, the container of wax NOT in
> contact with the heat source. WAX WILL CATCH FIRE - HENCE CANDLES.
> Once molten use and old brush to brush it on the end grain.

While that may work, if you have an old iron, plug it in and melt some
wax on the end grain, then iron it into the wood. Wax is waterproof and
stops fast drying from the end grain completely.

I don't have a double boiler in my shop, so an iron it is:-)

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

05/04/2012 7:00 PM

On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:27:47 -0400, "Allen Wrench" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
>walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from 15h
>x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. I
>plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
>wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful, they
>can be seen here >>>>>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>
>Waddya think?

You betcha. What idiot MF cut them that short? Makes a grown man
cry! Well, at least small carvings and lathe articles can be made
from them. Paint the ends of the logs tonight!
http://www.uccoatings.com/products/anchorseal

--
Life is an escalator:
You can move forward or backward;
you can not remain still.
-- Patricia Russell-McCloud

Gs

Gramp's shop

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

04/04/2012 9:44 PM

On 4/4/2012 8:27 PM, Allen Wrench wrote:
> I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
> walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from 15h
> x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. I
> plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
> wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful, they
> can be seen here>>>>>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>
> Waddya think?
>
>
I think I see two platters and a nice bowl there. If you're willing to
send a few, I'll pay for the freight.

Larry

RE

Ralph E Lindberg

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

07/04/2012 7:44 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:


>
> I lost an entire lot of madrone stump wood after trying to seal it
> with thick latex paint, 2 coats. It didn't seem to slow it at all.
>
The ONLY way I have found to handle Madrone is boil (about an hour per
inch of thickness)

I get almost zero failures with this method

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Ralph E Lindberg

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

06/04/2012 7:09 AM

In article <[email protected]>, "Allen Wrench" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:27:47 -0400, "Allen Wrench" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
> >>walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from
> >>15h
> >>x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. I
> >>plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
> >>wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful,
> >>they
> >>can be seen here >>>>>
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
> >>
> >>Waddya think?
> >
> > You betcha. What idiot MF cut them that short? Makes a grown man
> > cry! Well, at least small carvings and lathe articles can be made
> > from them. Paint the ends of the logs tonight!
> > http://www.uccoatings.com/products/anchorseal
> >
> According to the dealer list from the link you provided, there isn't one
> nearby, but I will ask the local Woodcraft when I go there today after work.
> Any other coating you recommend?
>
> Thanks

Wax works, so does heavy latex paint (buy some mis-mixed at your local
big-box store)

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Ralph E Lindberg

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

12/04/2012 9:59 AM

In article <[email protected]>, Jack <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On 4/9/2012 12:11 AM, charlie b wrote:
> > Wouldn't recommend using latex paint as an end grain sealer of green
> > wood. Modern latex paint are formulate to breathe - albeit slowly - but
> > not slow enough to keep green wood from splitting.
> >
> > If you can't get Anchorseal, get some paraffin - sold at hardware stores
> > for canning food. Melt in a double broiler, the container of wax NOT in
> > contact with the heat source. WAX WILL CATCH FIRE - HENCE CANDLES.
> > Once molten use and old brush to brush it on the end grain.
>
> While that may work, if you have an old iron, plug it in and melt some
> wax on the end grain, then iron it into the wood. Wax is waterproof and
> stops fast drying from the end grain completely.
>
> I don't have a double boiler in my shop, so an iron it is:-)

Get an old crock-pot and use that.

I find that it takes much of the day for the wax to both melt and get
hot enough to adhere to the wood.

When I am in a hurry I use a big propane powered turkey cooker, the same
one I use for boiling wood. When I do this I watch it like a HAWK, cause
it will catch fire

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Larry Jaques

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

06/04/2012 8:17 AM

On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 13:17:11 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Drew
Lawson) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>
> "Allen Wrench" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>
>>> http://www.uccoatings.com/products/anchorseal
>>>
>>According to the dealer list from the link you provided, there isn't one
>>nearby, but I will ask the local Woodcraft when I go there today after work.
>>Any other coating you recommend?
>>
>
>My Woodcraft carries Anchorseal, or did the last time I ran out.
>They used to have their own branded "green wood sealer." I didn't
>notice any difference between the two.

God forbid you order it online and it gets delivered the next day...

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Larry Jaques

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

06/04/2012 8:20 AM

On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:09:35 -0700, Ralph E Lindberg
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, "Allen Wrench" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:27:47 -0400, "Allen Wrench" <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>I had the opportunity to grab about 25 cut tree pieces of very old black
>> >>walnut and wondering if there is any value to them? The sizes range from
>> >>15h
>> >>x 15dia to 30h x 26dia (inches) or more as I didn't measure all of them. I
>> >>plan to keep a few for myself hoping to make something from them but
>> >>wondering if others may be interested as well. If pictures are helpful,
>> >>they
>> >>can be seen here >>>>>
>> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/18223943@N06/7046572831/in/photostream
>> >>
>> >>Waddya think?
>> >
>> > You betcha. What idiot MF cut them that short? Makes a grown man
>> > cry! Well, at least small carvings and lathe articles can be made
>> > from them. Paint the ends of the logs tonight!
>> > http://www.uccoatings.com/products/anchorseal
>> >
>> According to the dealer list from the link you provided, there isn't one
>> nearby, but I will ask the local Woodcraft when I go there today after work.
>> Any other coating you recommend?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>Wax works, so does heavy latex paint (buy some mis-mixed at your local
>big-box store)

I lost an entire lot of madrone stump wood after trying to seal it
with thick latex paint, 2 coats. It didn't seem to slow it at all.

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Martin Eastburn

in reply to "Allen Wrench" on 04/04/2012 9:27 PM

09/04/2012 10:57 PM

I don't know where you store your firewood - But Never on the ground.

I have it always in the air on two edge wise 2x boards or on a slope of
corrugated tin or like we do now - across plastic (fiberglass) pallets
that won't rust or rot, won't harbor bugs - won't be in rain runoff
and the roof over the wood is sloped tin to drive the water off the cover.

On the ground means rotting a lot of wood.

Those who had no other option - stacked wood end down and in a circle
tilted outwards - making a 6' 2 or 3 layer.

Wood lying on the ground here - e.g. a fallen tree - won't last 2 years.
The first year it is mushy 1/3 way up. After that - it is all over.

I turned and even re-sawed bolts and logs out of my wood pile.
Some of it was put there by my saw and some by a wood supplier. Depends
on the year.

Martin

On 4/8/2012 11:08 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Jack<[email protected]> writes:
>> On 4/7/2012 2:26 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Jack<[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> To use it for other than lathe work, you pretty much need a jointer,
>>>> band saw, table saw and a planer would be nice.
>>>
>>> Actually, a bowsaw and hand planes work perfectly well with firewood,
>>
>> What are they, hand tools of some sort? Yes, I think I once cut down a
>> Xmas tree with a bowsour, May have seen a hand plane used once by that
>> crazy SOB Roy Underhill, not sure.
>>
>>> and the sand in the firewood won't mess up your jointer/planer blades.
>>
>> Sand? No sand in any walnut grown around here?
>
> Firewood usually is stored on bare ground. Bare ground has, in many
> locations, sand and other grit, which tends to become embedded into
> the exterior of the firewood.
>
> Your milage may vary.


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