TBM wrote:
> I have a three way switch installed on the circuit. One switch near my table
> saw, the other switch near the downdraft. Works good for me, but required
> planning when I wired my shop.
I have a simliar arrangement. It's awesome. I could never find my
remote control, and when I did, the batteries were dead. Nothing like a
couple of strategically placed wall switches.
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about turning
I haven't done it yet myself (still renting right now) but the most
elegant way I've seen is to use a current-sensing switch right in the
breaker panel.
If your larger tools are all on their own separate circuits, its fairly
easy to rig up a current sensor to detect flow through those circuits in
the panel. You then hook up a relay to turn on your dust collector
whenever any of those tools are turned on.
You'd still want an override when using it for other tools, or for the
floor sweep, etc.
Chris
"R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about
> turning
> it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
> thanks
>
>
I have a three way switch installed on the circuit. One switch near my table
saw, the other switch near the downdraft. Works good for me, but required
planning when I wired my shop.
Because "arw01" <[email protected]> could, he/she/it opin'd:
>X-10 module with a RF remote. Works OK. Sometimes takes a couple
>three presses.
I use three of these X-10 appliance modules
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Appliance_Modules for turning on and off my
dust collector, vacuum, and air filtration unit. But I didn't like the
RF, so I just have strategically placed mini controllers
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Mini_Controller plugged in around the shop.
They work first time every time for on and off, and I really like the
"ALL OFF" option the mini controllers offer. (The "dimmer" function
doesn't do anything, though ;^)
-Don
--
"What do *you* care what other people think?" --Arline Feynman
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:35:36 -0500, Don Fearn <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Because "arw01" <[email protected]> could, he/she/it opin'd:
>
>>X-10 module with a RF remote. Works OK. Sometimes takes a couple
>>three presses.
>
>I use three of these X-10 appliance modules
>http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Appliance_Modules for turning on and off my
>dust collector, vacuum, and air filtration unit. But I didn't like the
>RF, so I just have strategically placed mini controllers
>http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Mini_Controller plugged in around the shop.
>They work first time every time for on and off, and I really like the
>"ALL OFF" option the mini controllers offer. (The "dimmer" function
>doesn't do anything, though ;^)
>
>-Don
What I did in my shop since I was building it from scratch, is to put
light switches at the table saw, work bench, and about every 6 feet
along the wall where I have woodworking equipment.
I connected the switches in parallel so that any one of them will
activate the dust collector. Since my DC is 220 vac I just used a
relay with a 120vac coil and rated for 200vac/20 amps.
I had a long ranger RF control but I kept misplacing it and spent too
much time looking for it. This way I have no more than 3 feet to a
switch.
Gary
R. Pierce Butler Wrote:
> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about
> turning
> it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
> thanks
I'm lucky--I have a new Oneida system that includes a remote on/off
switch that looks just like a car alarm remote. I can turn my system on
or off from anywhere in my shop. I'd check to see if you can retrofit
your dust collector with a magnetic switch with remote on/off
capabilities.
And I don't recommend leaving your system on all the time unless you've
got pretty good ear protection.
--
Bshaddle
"mac davis" wrote in message
> I tried remote and didn't care for it... you have to carry or find the
remote to
> use the DC...
LOL. But it's great for those of us who never lose our car keys, and know
exactly where everything we own is ... unless someone else uses it.
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"R. Pierce Butler" wrote:
>
> What do you use for dust collector control?
<snip>
The following is based on my many years of motor control design and
application.
It may be a bit of overkill, but you had to ask.
Let's assume the D/C motor operates at 240V, then you need a 2-pole
contractor with a 120V coil and an auxiliary control contact supplied
in a NEMA I enclosure. (This also works for a 120V motor)
At every tool station where you have a D/C pickup, you mount a START
momentary push button station, again in a NEMA I or better yet a NEMA
12 enclosure.
A single momentary STOP P/B is located at a location of choice.
Any START P/B station starts the D/C.
The D/C keeps operating until the Stop button is pushed.
The system provides under voltage protection.
HTH
Lew
I use a simple system of strings through screw in "eyed screw ins" attached
to the main switch. It runs overhead around the shop (like the buzzer on a
bus). It has worked well for five years. Cheers, JG
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> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about
> turning
> it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
> thanks
>
>
remote control
"R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about
> turning
> it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
> thanks
>
>
>> What do you use for dust collector control?
>>
>> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about
>> turning it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
I hard wired a switch on a long extension cord to the plug of my DC.
Place/hang the switch box close to the switch of the machine I'm
using.
Not very elegant or hi tech, no place for batteries, difficult to
misplace. The only thing it seems to do well is turn my DC on and
off.
LdB
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news:[email protected]...
> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about
> turning
> it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
> thanks
>
I am much too cheap for a remote.
I just put a switch in line with the supply. Seems to do well. I have
another for my vacuum.
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
> I wanted to keep it down to one button which would turn on the tool
and the
> DC. If not, then I will go with your idea of a separate pushbutton
at each
> location.
Piece of cake.
Use two (2) momentary push buttons(start/stop) and a small, 3 pole
control relay with 10A contacts.(they are known as "Ice Cube" relays)
Use one relay contact to control the tool, another for the D/C and the
3rd contact as a holding circuit for the relay.
Stop button breaks the holding circuit which stops the tool AND the D/C,
unless it is being used by another tool at the same time.
As a bonus, you get undervoltage protection.
Lew
"R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about
> turning it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
> thanks
>
Rockler sells a router control switch, with big buttons and a set of
extension cords. My Delta 1200 cfm machine plugs into one of those just
fine. Paid maybe $15 on sale.
Simple is often good.
Patriarch
Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote in news:uQuHg.13665$xp2.10144
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > What I did in my shop since I was building it from scratch, is to put
> > light switches at the table saw, work bench, and about every 6 feet
> > along the wall where I have woodworking equipment.
> >
> > I connected the switches in parallel so that any one of them will
> > activate the dust collector. Since my DC is 220 vac I just used a
> > relay with a 120vac coil and rated for 200vac/20 amps.
>
> <snip>
>
> Replace those light switches with momentary push buttons and you gain
> undervoltage protection that I previously described.
>
> Also using light switches requires that you make sure they are all OFF
> to make sure the D/C is off.
>
> Lew
>
But if you wire the switches using 4 way switches, then you could turn it
on and off at any location.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "mac davis" wrote in message
>
>> I tried remote and didn't care for it... you have to carry or find the
> remote to
>> use the DC...
>
> LOL. But it's great for those of us who never lose our car keys, and know
> exactly where everything we own is ... unless someone else uses it.
>
I am about ready to change my stationary tool switches to three pole and
run low voltage through the spare contact. That would in turn control the
contactor for the DC. Not sure how the NEC code would view that but it
would work. Probably too pricey as well.
Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote in news:fMKHg.1582$bM.1109
@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>
> >
> > I am about ready to change my stationary tool switches to three
> pole and
> > run low voltage through the spare contact. That would in turn
> control the
> > contactor for the DC. Not sure how the NEC code would view that
> but it
> > would work. Probably too pricey as well.
>
> I've already posted the lowest coast, legal means to accomplish the task.
>
> You want to try to reinvent the wheel, that's your business.
>
> Lew
I wanted to keep it down to one button which would turn on the tool and the
DC. If not, then I will go with your idea of a separate pushbutton at each
location.
Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote in news:XFRHg.1491$xQ1.159
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>
>
> > I wanted to keep it down to one button which would turn on the tool
> and the
> > DC. If not, then I will go with your idea of a separate pushbutton
> at each
> > location.
>
> Piece of cake.
>
> Use two (2) momentary push buttons(start/stop) and a small, 3 pole
> control relay with 10A contacts.(they are known as "Ice Cube" relays)
>
> Use one relay contact to control the tool, another for the D/C and the
> 3rd contact as a holding circuit for the relay.
>
> Stop button breaks the holding circuit which stops the tool AND the D/C,
> unless it is being used by another tool at the same time.
>
> As a bonus, you get undervoltage protection.
>
>
> Lew
>
>
That would work of 120VAC but for 220 I like to shut off both hot wires. I
guess I would need a 4 pole for that application.
Know of any time delay contactors for the DC? I would like it to stay
runnning for 'n' seconds after the "OFF" button has been pushed.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:56:13 GMT, Roy <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:32:47 -0700, mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:58:18 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>What do you use for dust collector control?
>>>
>>>I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about turning
>>>it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>
>>I tried remote and didn't care for it... you have to carry or find the remote to
>>use the DC...
>>
>I'm a hobbyist, so sometimes it's a whole week, maybe two before the shop gets a good workout. I
>have used the Long Ranger for at least a couple of years without a failure. I clip it to my pants
>pocket so never lose it (well, mostly never) while working because I never have it in my hand to set
>down. Where I get into problems is when I'm done for the day, or take a break and take off the
>apron, which means I take the remote out of my pocket and set it down.
>
>I've been making an effort recently to quit losing it. This started when I lost it one time, and
>finally found it in the shop fridge next to the Dr. Pepper. Last few months I have been trying to
>train myself to set the remote down in the gap along the rail between the table saw and the fence.
>If I remember to do that, I find it quickly when I come into the shop. If I forget and just set it
>down, it invariably will be eventually found way down towards the bottom of Tunnel #3.
>
>If my self-training fails, I may just smear it with tuna each day, and let the Shop Cat earn his
>keep.
>
>Regards,
>Roy
Years ago I did the same. Now I set my remote on top of my table saw
fence and it's always there. The LongRanger is red so it is fairly
easy to spot. Now where did I put my keys?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:58:18 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>What do you use for dust collector control?
>
>I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about turning
>it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
>thanks
>
I have a LongRanger remote. I wish I had bought it a long time ago. I
got the 220v model which is better for a DC since it gets turned
ON/OFF a lot.
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>
> I am about ready to change my stationary tool switches to three
pole and
> run low voltage through the spare contact. That would in turn
control the
> contactor for the DC. Not sure how the NEC code would view that
but it
> would work. Probably too pricey as well.
I've already posted the lowest coast, legal means to accomplish the task.
You want to try to reinvent the wheel, that's your business.
Lew
In article <[email protected]>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]> wrote:
> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about turning
> it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
> thanks
For a while I used a remote control by Shop Fox (I think). It seemed to
work perfectly, but then I heard it turn the collector on long after I
had quit for the day. I didn't like the idea of it possibly running
while I was gone so I stopped using it. Instead, I hard wired a switch
ahead of the DC outlet. The switch is above the center of the shop and
is fairly convenient (and shouldn't start on its own).
PDX David
"R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about
> turning
> it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
> thanks
>
>
Jet offers some dust collectors with remote and timer switches. Mine has
it. It was about $50 more for the ones with the remote.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:32:47 -0700, mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:58:18 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>What do you use for dust collector control?
>>
>>I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about turning
>>it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>>
>>thanks
>>
>I tried remote and didn't care for it... you have to carry or find the remote to
>use the DC...
>
I'm a hobbyist, so sometimes it's a whole week, maybe two before the shop gets a good workout. I
have used the Long Ranger for at least a couple of years without a failure. I clip it to my pants
pocket so never lose it (well, mostly never) while working because I never have it in my hand to set
down. Where I get into problems is when I'm done for the day, or take a break and take off the
apron, which means I take the remote out of my pocket and set it down.
I've been making an effort recently to quit losing it. This started when I lost it one time, and
finally found it in the shop fridge next to the Dr. Pepper. Last few months I have been trying to
train myself to set the remote down in the gap along the rail between the table saw and the fence.
If I remember to do that, I find it quickly when I come into the shop. If I forget and just set it
down, it invariably will be eventually found way down towards the bottom of Tunnel #3.
If my self-training fails, I may just smear it with tuna each day, and let the Shop Cat earn his
keep.
Regards,
Roy
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
> That would work of 120VAC but for 220 I like to shut off both hot
wires. I
> guess I would need a 4 pole for that application.
Yes.
Easiest way to do it is to pull L1, L2, N for each tool + one (1)
control wire for the D/C contactor coil.
You can get a time delay for most relays.
Strictly a guess, probably adds $100.
Lew
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:56:13 GMT, Roy <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm a hobbyist, so sometimes it's a whole week, maybe two before the shop gets a good workout. I
>have used the Long Ranger for at least a couple of years without a failure. I clip it to my pants
>pocket so never lose it (well, mostly never) while working because I never have it in my hand to set
>down. Where I get into problems is when I'm done for the day, or take a break and take off the
>apron, which means I take the remote out of my pocket and set it down.
>
>I've been making an effort recently to quit losing it. This started when I lost it one time, and
>finally found it in the shop fridge next to the Dr. Pepper. Last few months I have been trying to
>train myself to set the remote down in the gap along the rail between the table saw and the fence.
>If I remember to do that, I find it quickly when I come into the shop. If I forget and just set it
>down, it invariably will be eventually found way down towards the bottom of Tunnel #3.
>
>If my self-training fails, I may just smear it with tuna each day, and let the Shop Cat earn his
>keep.
>
>Regards,
>Roy
I have the Jet air filter on the ceiling and the remote came with velcro... I
put the velcro on the front/side of the RAS arm, since I walk past it to enter
or leave the garage/shop, and have never felt the need to carry it around... I
use it like a light switch and it's a lot harder to lose if it's always stuck in
the same place... especially as in my case where it's a bit higher than stuff
usually piles up.. *g*
Mac
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
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[email protected] wrote:
> What I did in my shop since I was building it from scratch, is to put
> light switches at the table saw, work bench, and about every 6 feet
> along the wall where I have woodworking equipment.
>
> I connected the switches in parallel so that any one of them will
> activate the dust collector. Since my DC is 220 vac I just used a
> relay with a 120vac coil and rated for 200vac/20 amps.
<snip>
Replace those light switches with momentary push buttons and you gain
undervoltage protection that I previously described.
Also using light switches requires that you make sure they are all OFF
to make sure the D/C is off.
Lew
>
> I had a long ranger RF control but I kept misplacing it and spent too
> much time looking for it. This way I have no more than 3 feet to a
> switch.
>
> Gary
"R. Pierce Butler" wrote in message
> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about
turning
> it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
Rockler remote control, with the remote in an apron pocket ... the mother of
convenience.
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:58:18 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>What do you use for dust collector control?
>
>I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about turning
>it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
>thanks
>
I tried remote and didn't care for it... you have to carry or find the remote to
use the DC...
What works well for me is a hard wired remote switch (romex and standard light
switch) mounted above the bench near the hanging saws and stuff.... it's within
a step or 2 of the machines that I use the DC on, easy to find and
inexpensive... YMWV
Mac
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
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arw01 wrote:
> X-10 module with a RF remote. Works OK. Sometimes takes a couple
> three presses.
>
> Alan
>
Could you provide some more details on the X-10 module. I've looked at
that keeping in mind that my unit is 1 1/2 HP and that the amperage
rating for the module should probably 15 or 20 amps. I was concerned
about interference and wondered if a filter would also be needed. It
looks like a more expensive alternative than the $40-60 remote kits, do
you agree?
If you bought yours through the web, do you have a recommendation?
Thank you, in advance.
John
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> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about
> turning
> it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
> thanks
>
>
Wireless remote. I have the Long Ranger, but other types are available. V
E R Y handy to have.
http://www.pennstateind.com/store/lr110-3.html
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=5117
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=10740
Depends on the switch on your DC...
"If" you get mag start switch, remote controls are
not really available.
Cheaper switches can be handled by remote controllers.
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
> What do you use for dust collector control?
>
> I want to get a dust collector and was wondering what others do about turning
> it on and off apart from walking over and turning it on, etc.
>
> thanks
>
>