Have any use for any of these tools? ... in your area. No one has bid on the Jet jointer, yet. Sale ends tomorrow.
http://www.irsauctions.com/index_lots.asp?pg=details&id=20455
I've been watching the 16" jointer in Pflugerville. I'm wondering if their (J Kraft, Inc) facility in Houston (or elsewhere) will be next, to be sold off.
Seems, some people (as per J Kraft's Facebook page) are not happy with some of their products and/or services. It doesn't say where these unhappy people are located, though.
Note: For some tools, an insurance policy is/may be required for removal of non-hand carriable items.
Sonny
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 1:02:02 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> On 07/18/2016 8:56 AM, Sonny wrote:
> > Have any use for any of these tools?...
>
> I'd like the cyclone dust/chip collector...
>
> > I've been watching the 16" jointer in Pflugerville....
>
> Where the heck is that??? Houston area, I gather, maybe? If so, that's
> a _long_ drive... :(
>
> --
At the top of the previous linked page there is a "Today's Auctions" tab. But the main page is here:
http://www.irsauctions.com/
The Pflugerville listing is on page 2.
http://www.irsauctions.com/index_lots.asp?pg=details&id=20469
Check any sales in your area. Window shopping doesn't cost a thing.
Sonny
On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 1:02:36 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
about it.
>=20
> It's almost certainly a 3-phase motor, which will limit
> the potential buyer pool.
Yep. Below is the lot's description. The pics include the motor spec pl=
ate. I wasn't too impressed with the pics, either... too few, for one thi=
ng.
3 Phase, 5HP, 3500 RPM
6" Fence
Tilting Table
S/N 40357
Re above: Tilting table? Exactly what is that? Which table and tilt wh=
ich way? Also, that serial # is the motor serial number. I had asked - w=
hat's the machine's serial number.
Though I'm not knowledgeable of phase converters, or electric motors in gen=
eral, a week ago I had inquired of converters, at our local industrial moto=
r shop. Cost a few hundred, so that's not bad. *I was planning ahead, i=
n case I had bought that jointer. I would have invested in a converter.=
=20
Sonny=20
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 6:40:48 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/29/2016 4:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 4:05:23 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
>>>> On 07/29/2016 1:43 PM, Sonny wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Re above: Tilting table? Exactly what is that? Which table and tilt
>>>>> which way? Also, that serial # is the motor serial number. I had asked -
>>>>> what's the machine's serial number.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though I'm not knowledgeable of phase converters, or electric motors
>>>>> in general, a week ago I had inquired of converters, at our local
>>>>> industrial motor shop. Cost a few hundred, so that's not bad. *I was
>>>>> planning ahead, in case I had bought that jointer. I would have invested
>>>>> in a converter.
>>>>
>>>> I discounted the "tilting" as uneducated and likely, if anything,
>>>> referring to the fence. The "tables" certainly do _not_ tilt, the more
>>>> likely is got a note from an old tablesaw or somesuch mixed up with
>>>> these would be my guess.
>>>>
>>>> As for machine S/N, on something that old unless you're into collecting
>>>> for collecting's sake, what difference can it make? It's a 40's-vintage
>>>> machine at the latest.
>>>>
>>>> That seems pretty low-ball for the phase converter and not a rotary and
>>>> sized only for the jointer itself? While more than what could've got by
>>>> with, I bought the Phoenix rotary system for 10hp for the barn here so
>>>> have better-quality power for the heavier loading of the planer and the
>>>> room to add the DC and a later acquisition or two as well...It was
>>>> neighborhood of $800...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Actually, with selected older table saw, the arbor was fixed and the
>>> table was tilted/moved for adjustment. My dad had one of those saws. A
>>> friend with whom I worked, cut a kerf in his knuckle when the height
>>> adjustment knob loosened and he and his work fell prey to Mother
>>> Nature, proving the adage that "gravity is a harsh mistress", on a
>>> completely different table saw. Not sure how prevalent these saws were,
>>> but I know first hand that they exist...
>>>
>>
>> While this is true, I believe that the machine in question is a jointer,
>> not a TS. Read again his reference to the TS note possibly being mixed up.
>
> my apologies...I saw the TS reference and drew an incorrect conclusion...
>
No one here ever makes mistakes. :-)
On 7/29/2016 4:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 4:05:23 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
>> On 07/29/2016 1:43 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Re above: Tilting table? Exactly what is that? Which table and tilt
>>> which way? Also, that serial # is the motor serial number. I had asked -
>>> what's the machine's serial number.
>>>
>>> Though I'm not knowledgeable of phase converters, or electric motors
>>> in general, a week ago I had inquired of converters, at our local
>>> industrial motor shop. Cost a few hundred, so that's not bad. *I was
>>> planning ahead, in case I had bought that jointer. I would have invested
>>> in a converter.
>>
>> I discounted the "tilting" as uneducated and likely, if anything,
>> referring to the fence. The "tables" certainly do _not_ tilt, the more
>> likely is got a note from an old tablesaw or somesuch mixed up with
>> these would be my guess.
>>
>> As for machine S/N, on something that old unless you're into collecting
>> for collecting's sake, what difference can it make? It's a 40's-vintage
>> machine at the latest.
>>
>> That seems pretty low-ball for the phase converter and not a rotary and
>> sized only for the jointer itself? While more than what could've got by
>> with, I bought the Phoenix rotary system for 10hp for the barn here so
>> have better-quality power for the heavier loading of the planer and the
>> room to add the DC and a later acquisition or two as well...It was
>> neighborhood of $800...
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
> Actually, with selected older table saw, the arbor was fixed and the table was tilted/moved for adjustment. My dad had one of those saws. A friend with whom I worked, cut a kerf in his knuckle when the height adjustment knob loosened and he and his work fell prey to Mother Nature, proving the adage that "gravity is a harsh mistress", on a completely different table saw. Not sure how prevalent these saws were, but I know first hand that they exist...
>
While this is true, I believe that the machine in question is a jointer,
not a TS. Read again his reference to the TS note possibly being mixed up.
On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 6:40:48 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> On 7/29/2016 4:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 4:05:23 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
> >> On 07/29/2016 1:43 PM, Sonny wrote:
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> Re above: Tilting table? Exactly what is that? Which table and tilt
> >>> which way? Also, that serial # is the motor serial number. I had aske=
d -
> >>> what's the machine's serial number.
> >>>
> >>> Though I'm not knowledgeable of phase converters, or electric motors
> >>> in general, a week ago I had inquired of converters, at our local
> >>> industrial motor shop. Cost a few hundred, so that's not bad. *I was
> >>> planning ahead, in case I had bought that jointer. I would have inves=
ted
> >>> in a converter.
> >>
> >> I discounted the "tilting" as uneducated and likely, if anything,
> >> referring to the fence. The "tables" certainly do _not_ tilt, the mor=
e
> >> likely is got a note from an old tablesaw or somesuch mixed up with
> >> these would be my guess.
> >>
> >> As for machine S/N, on something that old unless you're into collectin=
g
> >> for collecting's sake, what difference can it make? It's a 40's-vinta=
ge
> >> machine at the latest.
> >>
> >> That seems pretty low-ball for the phase converter and not a rotary an=
d
> >> sized only for the jointer itself? While more than what could've got =
by
> >> with, I bought the Phoenix rotary system for 10hp for the barn here so
> >> have better-quality power for the heavier loading of the planer and th=
e
> >> room to add the DC and a later acquisition or two as well...It was
> >> neighborhood of $800...
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
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> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
> > Actually, with selected older table saw, the arbor was fixed and the ta=
ble was tilted/moved for adjustment. My dad had one of those saws. A friend=
with whom I worked, cut a kerf in his knuckle when the height adjustmen=
t knob loosened and he and his work fell prey to Mother Nature, proving the=
adage that "gravity is a harsh mistress", on a completely different table =
saw. Not sure how prevalent these saws were, but I know first hand that the=
y exist...
> >
>=20
> While this is true, I believe that the machine in question is a jointer,=
=20
> not a TS. Read again his reference to the TS note possibly being mixed =
up.
my apologies...I saw the TS reference and drew an incorrect conclusion...
On 7/18/2016 1:01 PM, dpb wrote:
> Where the heck is that??? Houston area, I gather, maybe? If so, that's
> a _long_ drive...
Austin, Round Rock area, closer to Austin.
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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in news:F5Wdna3zV6fGrhDKnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
> On 7/18/2016 1:01 PM, dpb wrote:
>> Where the heck is that??? Houston area, I gather, maybe? If so, that's
>> a _long_ drive...
>
> Austin, Round Rock area, closer to Austin.
Closer to Round Rock, actually. Pflugerville is just south of
the new (ish) 45 expressway, Round Rock is just north.
Right close to where my sister lives...if only I had more room
for tools and could trust my brother-in-laws judgement on their
condition and value :-)
John
Sonny <[email protected]> writes:
>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:09:02 PM UTC-5, Sonny wrote:
> listing is on page 2.
>> http://www.irsauctions.com/index_lots.asp?pg=details&id=20469
>
>That 16" Newman jointer went for $650.
>
>I didn't bid on it, after all. Too many questions unanswered. There's a tab for asking questions and I sent questions and got no replies. I called to inquire, spoke to a few people about my concerns. Received no calls back, as follow-up.
>
>I suspect there may be something wrong with the jointer, since the bidding was low (IMO).... possibly table tops warped, something wrong with the motor (the plug is off)?.... just don't know and I didn't have a good feeling about it.
It's almost certainly a 3-phase motor, which will limit
the potential buyer pool.
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:09:02 PM UTC-5, Sonny wrote:
listing is on page 2.
> http://www.irsauctions.com/index_lots.asp?pg=details&id=20469
That 16" Newman jointer went for $650.
I didn't bid on it, after all. Too many questions unanswered. There's a tab for asking questions and I sent questions and got no replies. I called to inquire, spoke to a few people about my concerns. Received no calls back, as follow-up.
I suspect there may be something wrong with the jointer, since the bidding was low (IMO).... possibly table tops warped, something wrong with the motor (the plug is off)?.... just don't know and I didn't have a good feeling about it.
If it is in good working order, someone got a good deal.
Sonny
On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 4:05:23 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
> On 07/29/2016 1:43 PM, Sonny wrote:
> ...
>=20
> > Re above: Tilting table? Exactly what is that? Which table and tilt
> > which way? Also, that serial # is the motor serial number. I had asked =
-
> > what's the machine's serial number.
> >
> > Though I'm not knowledgeable of phase converters, or electric motors
> > in general, a week ago I had inquired of converters, at our local
> > industrial motor shop. Cost a few hundred, so that's not bad. *I was
> > planning ahead, in case I had bought that jointer. I would have investe=
d
> > in a converter.
>=20
> I discounted the "tilting" as uneducated and likely, if anything,=20
> referring to the fence. The "tables" certainly do _not_ tilt, the more=
=20
> likely is got a note from an old tablesaw or somesuch mixed up with=20
> these would be my guess.
>=20
> As for machine S/N, on something that old unless you're into collecting=
=20
> for collecting's sake, what difference can it make? It's a 40's-vintage=
=20
> machine at the latest.
>=20
> That seems pretty low-ball for the phase converter and not a rotary and=
=20
> sized only for the jointer itself? While more than what could've got by=
=20
> with, I bought the Phoenix rotary system for 10hp for the barn here so=20
> have better-quality power for the heavier loading of the planer and the=
=20
> room to add the DC and a later acquisition or two as well...It was=20
> neighborhood of $800...
>=20
> --
>=20
>=20
> ---
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Actually, with selected older table saw, the arbor was fixed and the table =
was tilted/moved for adjustment. My dad had one of those saws. A friend wit=
h whom I worked, cut a kerf in his knuckle when the height adjustment kn=
ob loosened and he and his work fell prey to Mother Nature, proving the ada=
ge that "gravity is a harsh mistress", on a completely different table saw.=
Not sure how prevalent these saws were, but I know first hand that they ex=
ist...
We used to live in Round Rock and enjoyed the time we were there.
We have friends up and down IH35 while I worked in the Austin area.
Back in the 80's before the explosion.
Martin
On 7/18/2016 3:28 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in news:F5Wdna3zV6fGrhDKnZ2dnUU7-
> [email protected]:
>
>> On 7/18/2016 1:01 PM, dpb wrote:
>>> Where the heck is that??? Houston area, I gather, maybe? If so, that's
>>> a _long_ drive...
>>
>> Austin, Round Rock area, closer to Austin.
>
> Closer to Round Rock, actually. Pflugerville is just south of
> the new (ish) 45 expressway, Round Rock is just north.
>
> Right close to where my sister lives...if only I had more room
> for tools and could trust my brother-in-laws judgement on their
> condition and value :-)
>
> John
>
Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> Have any use for any of these tools? ... in your area.
> No one has
> bid on the Jet jointer, yet. Sale ends tomorrow.
>
> http://www.irsauctions.com/index_lots.asp?pg=details&id=20455
>
> I've been watching the 16" jointer in Pflugerville. I'm
> wondering
> if their (J Kraft, Inc) facility in Houston (or elsewhere)
> will be
> next, to be sold off.
>
> Seems, some people (as per J Kraft's Facebook page) are
> not happy
> with some of their products and/or services. It doesn't
> say where
> these unhappy people are located, though.
>
> Note: For some tools, an insurance policy is/may be
> required for
> removal of non-hand carriable items.
>
> Sonny
Thanks I'd like the boring machine, but I'm trying/starting
to get away from custom stuff. I can make more just
reupolstering in most cases with alot less headaches : )
But......it is tools.....hmmmm
On 07/18/2016 2:51 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 7/18/2016 1:01 PM, dpb wrote:
>> Where the heck is that??? Houston area, I gather, maybe? If so, that's
>> a _long_ drive...
>
> Austin, Round Rock area, closer to Austin.
Oh, ok...that's not _quite_ so bad...still a trek. Would have to be
able to get a steal of a deal...unless somebody from down there's
heading to CO/NM and would make a "little" side trip... :)
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On 07/18/2016 2:08 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 1:02:02 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
>> On 07/18/2016 8:56 AM, Sonny wrote:
>>> Have any use for any of these tools?...
>>
>> I'd like the cyclone dust/chip collector...
>>
>>> I've been watching the 16" jointer in Pflugerville....
>>
>> Where the heck is that??? Houston area, I gather, maybe? If so, that's
>> a _long_ drive... :(
...
> At the top of the previous linked page there is a "Today's Auctions" tab. But the main page is here:
> http://www.irsauctions.com/
>
> The Pflugerville listing is on page 2.
> http://www.irsauctions.com/index_lots.asp?pg=details&id=20469
Wrong subject of "where is it?" ... :) chairman says it's more in
Austin area...I'd found the auction to have seen the collector... :)
> Check any sales in your area. Window shopping doesn't cost a thing.
You _must_ be kidding about "in area"...there ain't _nuthin'_ nor nobody
out here. :)
Well, just for grins I did look at all the "today's" events -- at 565
mi, it's closest by several hundred...that's pretty typical to the point
I rarely (as in never) bother to look.
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On 07/29/2016 12:50 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:09:02 PM UTC-5, Sonny wrote:
> listing is on page 2.
>> http://www.irsauctions.com/index_lots.asp?pg=details&id=20469
>
> That 16" Newman jointer went for $650.
>
...
> I suspect there may be something wrong with the jointer, since the
> bidding was low (IMO).... possibly table tops warped, something wrong
> with the motor (the plug is off)?.... just don't know and I didn't have
> a good feeling about it.
>
> If it is in good working order, someone got a good deal.
I'd wager odds are it's just fine with just some TLC; as another says,
individuals generally won't consider it for two reasons, the first being
they don't have 3-phase power and the second being it's simply so large
and heavy they have no way to move it or place to put it if did--hence
the potential buying pool is quite small. On top of the three-phase,
this is a direct-drive setup so it'd take a fair effort to retrofit a
single-phase motor to it.
There's a listing at OWWM that says it weighs 2200# net. The Powermatic
180 planer here is 1600# and that's hard-enough to move; the 3-pt on the
little JD955 (30hp) utility tractor can't pick it up so had to schlep it
on a pallet mover and then work it off by hand to get it moved in the
barn from it's original landing point. I _did_ get it wired in and it's
to the point of ran a test piece through; needs a few more final tweaks
to get pressure bar tuned and bed rollers leveled and all to do fine
work, but it's getting there!!! Next is the DC system; it's too large
for the little guy I've been using; have to get the main one back in
operation that never did after the move back to the farm to hook it back
up...
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On 07/29/2016 1:43 PM, Sonny wrote:
...
> Re above: Tilting table? Exactly what is that? Which table and tilt
> which way? Also, that serial # is the motor serial number. I had asked -
> what's the machine's serial number.
>
> Though I'm not knowledgeable of phase converters, or electric motors
> in general, a week ago I had inquired of converters, at our local
> industrial motor shop. Cost a few hundred, so that's not bad. *I was
> planning ahead, in case I had bought that jointer. I would have invested
> in a converter.
I discounted the "tilting" as uneducated and likely, if anything,
referring to the fence. The "tables" certainly do _not_ tilt, the more
likely is got a note from an old tablesaw or somesuch mixed up with
these would be my guess.
As for machine S/N, on something that old unless you're into collecting
for collecting's sake, what difference can it make? It's a 40's-vintage
machine at the latest.
That seems pretty low-ball for the phase converter and not a rotary and
sized only for the jointer itself? While more than what could've got by
with, I bought the Phoenix rotary system for 10hp for the barn here so
have better-quality power for the heavier loading of the planer and the
room to add the DC and a later acquisition or two as well...It was
neighborhood of $800...
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On 07/29/2016 4:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
...
> Actually, with selected older table saw, the arbor was fixed and the
> table was tilted/moved for adjustment. My dad had one of those saws.
> A friend with whom I worked, cut a kerf in his knuckle when the
> height adjustment knob loosened and he and his work fell prey to
> Mother Nature, proving the adage that "gravity is a harsh mistress",
> on a completely different table saw. Not sure how prevalent these
> saws were, but I know first hand that they exist...
That's what I said...the item under discussion was/is a JOINTER,
however, which is why I said they screwed up or didn't know what were
talking about...
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On 07/29/2016 3:05 PM, dpb wrote:
...
> That seems pretty low-ball for the phase converter and not a rotary and
> sized only for the jointer itself? While more than what could've got by
> with, I bought the Phoenix rotary system for 10hp for the barn here so
> have better-quality power for the heavier loading of the planer and the
> room to add the DC and a later acquisition or two as well...It was
> neighborhood of $800...
...
Was intending to add that even at that the higher price (just as with
the 180, when you factor in the value of what you've got, it's still a
bargain...
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 08:03:22 -0500, Leon wrote:
>>> Actually, with selected older table saw, the arbor was fixed and the
>>>> table was tilted/moved for adjustment. My dad had one of those saws.
Actually, I have, and use, one of those. A 1948 Delta. Cranking that
table up and down builds muscle! I seldom tilt it as I have a SCMS but I
have done. I also have a jig for 45 degree rips though I haven't done
one in a couple of years.
In its favor, its built like a tank and, with new bearings, the blade
runout is zero. Has an old motor that weighs a ton - I was told by a
motor rebuilder that while it's only 3/4 HP, it has way more torque than
a modern motor.
It'll outlast me :-).
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