Once upon a time there were giants.
You may not believe this but it is surely true.
They went by sobriquet such as Leach, Olquin, Radovanic, Duke of Urls,
Bennett (including both B the Wise and B the Foolish), Uncle Jessie,
Self, Bitchslap Bob, TurdBarge Al - and continue in a litany of fine
madness.
They were the abstract geniuses of their time - but they are no more.
True, there are some smatterings of revelation from time to time - but
the good old days are gone.
The all consuming swamp of Lurkdom has consumed most of them.
Absolute disinterest has taken the rest.
And there was so much to be learned.
Hearken ye, my children, and punch some of those names into a Google
search - using the advanced search function, as Author's name, within
the Groups category, within the specific parameter of rec.woodworking.
You will soon see how far we have fallen.
There was a Dark Age once in Western History. A time of indolent
madness driven by the religiosity of madmen, leading to a stoppage of
real thought.
But there was also a, "rose fingered dawn", there was a time of
rebirth, regrouping, Renaissance.
As against the creeping Darkness of this Darkened Wreck, this age
consumed by Miller, Hinz and Clarke - which sounds all to much like
the bottom of a bad batting order - replace them in your thoughts with
the Murderer's Row of Radovanic, Leach and Olguin (who is batting
third here but whom I understand to be a damned fine cleanup hitter).
Look them up in Google. Look them up and say a coven's prayer, so as
to raise them up in your minds.
For, some can indeed be raised up - and some might visit you with
their wisdom.
There were giants once among us, strong and tall - I would see them
back again.
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
Patriarch wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:=20
>=20
> <snip of a good analogy>=20
>=20
>>Rob
>>
>>PS. I decided not to participate in the 100+-post 220 volt discussion=20
>>for two reasons: LRod was doing just fine by himself and why would I=20
>>confuse everybody with facts?
>>A two-pole induction motor, with no load, in North America will run at
>>3600 RPM not 3450 or 3500
>>A four-pole induction motor, with no load, in North America will run
>>at 1800 RPM, not 1760 or 1745
>>Put a strobe on the shaft. Slippage doesn't occur till a load is put
>>on. When you take an amp-probe of a 2 HP Baldor(Quality) motor, with
>>nothing on the shaft, it can draw as little as 1 amp. When you add a
>>load, increasing it bit by bit (say..a clutch..or a sawblade in a
>>piece of wood), all that happens is that the current will increase to
>>the point where either the breaker blows or the motor bursts into
>>flames. It is the point at which the motor bursts into flames
>>(preventable with bigger gauge windings and better cooling) which tell
>>you the rated HP. (Just prior to the motor stalling there will be a
>>reduction of RPM under somewhat controlable conditions.
>>If your motor, under no load, say at 120 volts, draws 1.5 amp then,
>>when it puts out 2 HP it will draw 750x2/120=3D 12.5 amps PLUS 1.5 amp =
=3D
>>14 amps. Period. That will happen if the breaker is rated at 15 or 20
>>or 30 amps. (No semantics, please)
>>None of this works on universal (brushed) motors.
>>
>=20
>=20
> Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity discussion?!!!
> ;-)=20
Actually that was comedy -- get with the program. ROTFLMAO
NOT that he was wrong... Gotta be careful here.
--=20
Will R.
Jewel Boxes and Wood Art
http://woodwork.pmccl.com
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those=20
who have not got it.=94 George Bernard Shaw
WillR wrote:
> We should be discussing things like -- oh say -- the best
> way to stain cherry
That's easy. You take the blood of the person wishing to stain the
cherry (five liters - litres, Jeff - is generally adequate), thin it
with 200 proof anhydrous denatured alcohol, mix it with a #1.5 cut of
your favorite shellac and apply with a pad lubed with mineral oil.
On a somewhat related note, I had the opportunity to examine close to
200 solid cherry side chairs while rehearsing in the sanctuary of The
Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, here in Los Angeles (that's
Spanish for "The Angels," Will). I noticed that, while the finish on
the cherry had a slight tint to it, there had been no attempt to stain
all those chairs to match. What a refreshing change from the muddy,
dull dreck that I generally encounter, posing as fine furniture. The
subtle variances in color were not unlike the variations of the trees
in the forest... as though it were a celebration of all the hues of
cherry.
It was an unexpected pleasure, and I marveled at its beauty for quite a
while; a cherry sanctuary.
O'Deen
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:58 -0600, Patriarch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity
discussion?!!!
>
> Wire you bringing it up, then?
So he can plug his agenda.
Todd Fatheree wrote:
> ...
> I haven't been using Usenet as long as some, but I've been using it
for 20
> years. Off-topic posts are not a new phenomenon, and anyone who
thinks the
> wreck is awash with them hasn't been around much.
>
The situation here is far from being out-of-control. However, we
do see OT threads being started here where the first article is the
ONLY article ever posted to UseNet under that username.
This makes it clear that someone is trying to bust our chain. I
supspec that Mr Miller and Mr Hinz would agree that they should
be ignored.
--
FF
Dave Balderstone states:
>>Patriarch <[email protected]=ADt> wrote:
> While the percentage of idiots with Usenet access seems to be
trending
> upwards?
With AOL's dropping usenet I think we'll see a sudden decline.<<
It gets tiresome. It is a PITA to get on the NG, but that's only
because Google is clumsier'n hell right now.
You will see a rise in idiots, I think.
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:28:24 GMT, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > on 3/18/2005 2:21 PM Dave Hinz said the following:
> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:14:04 GMT, Lawrence Wasserman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >>>>Wire you bringing it up, then?
> >>>
> >>>Just keeping current.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ah, more static. Figures.
> >
> > I really hate puns, but I'm still getting a charge out this thread.
>
> Well, I'd keep an ion it, or you'll wonder wye you didn't.
The polarity would end if somebody would just switch the subject and
everybody re fuse to discuss it anymore.
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2005 13:18:59 -0800, [email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Dave Hinz wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:28:24 GMT, Unquestionably Confused
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > on 3/18/2005 2:21 PM Dave Hinz said the following:
> >> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:14:04 GMT, Lawrence Wasserman
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >>>>Wire you bringing it up, then?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Just keeping current.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Ah, more static. Figures.
> >> >
> >> > I really hate puns, but I'm still getting a charge out this
thread.
> >>
> >> Well, I'd keep an ion it, or you'll wonder wye you didn't.
> >
> > The polarity would end if somebody would just switch the subject
and
> > everybody re fuse to discuss it anymore.
>
> Not to short-circuit your line of thought, but just triac convince
people
> to do that.
If people can't make the connections, we can always resort to battery.
LRod wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:59:49 -0500, "gw" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I think some of the fixtures in this group have lost their
grounding. I'm
> >going out to light up....
>
> I think Vito, et al, had it wrong. This group doesn't need a
> moderator, it needs...
> (scroll down)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> are you ready?
> (scroll down)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm really sorry about this...
> (scroll down)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> a conductor.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
And rather than everybody going positive or negative, try and remain
neutral.
Todd Fatheree wrote:
> "Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:18:12 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article <[email protected]>, Tom
Watson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>Once upon a time there were giants.
I have a solution. Whenever you feel the need to read r.w., go to
Google groups and do a search for r.w. posts from the wreck's golden
age. Read until you're content and stop wasting your time on the
current group of plebians.
> > >Ya know, Tom, nobody's forcing you to read the OT posts...
> >
> > Doug - you are one of the prime movers of this political horseshit
> > that is being visited upon the Wreck.
Okay, you have a point there. But you're not that far behind him in
dishing out the political b.s. (btw, I mostly agree with your political
bent but it doesn't belong here any more than Doug's does).
> <snip>
>
> > Asking me to ignore or filter you is like asking me to wear a gas
mask
> > in a bar, if I do not choose to smoke.
Not really. I (and you) can pass over posts we're not interested in
much easier than we can ignore a cloud of smoke.
> I'd say it's more akin to knowing that there is a back room where
smoking is
> allowed, then going back there on purpose and complaining about the
smoke.
Poor analogy. Your analogy would be correct if Tom went to the
hypothetical usenet group rec.woodworking.off-topic and complained
about off-topic posts. But I get your point nonetheless. Off-topic
posts are pervasive so complaining about them is sort of silly.
> > There are some bars that are interesting enough that i will choose
to
> > be there, regardless of the smoke - until I begin to cough.
> >
> > You, and your brethren, have made me begin to cough.
>
> I just did an informal and impromptu study of the last several
handfulls of
> threads posted to this group. Of the last 50-ish, I came up with 50
that
> were related to woodworking (some loosely) and 6 that were unrelated
to
> woodworking. Ironically, 2 of the 6 that were unrelated were started
by
> you.
We're largely in agreement here. The people who complain the loudest
about things that they find offensive are usually working pretty hard
to be offended.
Cheers,
Mike
Tom Watson wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2005 15:05:02 -0800, "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Okay, you have a point there. But you're not that far behind him in
> >dishing out the political b.s.
>
> I think that you would have a difficult time finding any political
> comments from me since about October of 2004.
I stand corrected. Starting a series of political ranting threads is
okay as long as it happens during U.S. election season.
> You could look it up.
I think I'll pass but thanks nonetheless.
Cheers,
Mike
>
> Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
>
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
Mr. Watson,
I retract my earlier posts in this thread. When I stumbled upon this
thread, I read the first paragraph of your post and mistakenly assumed
it was another lament about how unworthy the current group of wreckers
is (or is that "are"?). Upon reading the entire post, I realized it
wasn't as negative as I had assumed.
Nevertheless, I do believe you do not give some current wreckers their
due respect. There are several current posters who consistently
provide useful ww information and entertaining anecdotes. Perhaps they
are ignored because they do not have the panache that of your heroes
had but they are here nonetheless. Perhaps if you looked for their
signal rather than focusing on the noise, you'd see that the wreck
really hasn't changed that much, i.e. it still draws a bunch of
disparate folks together to discuss this insane love for wooddorking.
Regards,
Mike
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> Dave Hinz wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:58 -0600, Patriarch
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity
> discussion?!!!
> >
> > Wire you bringing it up, then?
>
>
> So he can plug his agenda.
>
A shocking turn of events! Watts the matter with you guys?
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:31:37 -0600, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Or maybe it's just an outlet for us.
> >
> > I'll have to meditate on that.
> > OHMMMMMMMM...
>
> Jokes like that will get you inducted into the Hall of shame.
>
I'm sure we'll all get a charge out of the induction ceremony.
"Vic Baron" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> "Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > on 3/18/2005 12:31 PM Robatoy said the following:
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Or maybe it's just an outlet for us.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > The best of this thread will be inducted in the Punster Hall Of Flame?
> >
> > An ample reward for such shocking and revolting resistance to current
> > discussions.
> >
> > Perhaps we should insulate ourselves.
>
>
> Oh COME ON! Can't we all just get along and get back to the current topic?
>
> :)
>
NO! Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:18:12 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Once upon a time there were giants.
>>
>>Ya know, Tom, nobody's forcing you to read the OT posts...
>
>Well, we'll get to that in a moment.
>>
>>I sure do miss Tom Gauldin's humor, though.
>
>As do I. And I also miss your good sense.
>
>
>(I think that we are getting back to it now)
>
>
>Doug - you are one of the prime movers of this political horseshit
>that is being visited upon the Wreck.
I must take issue with you there. I have never *started* one of those threads.
But I do find it difficult to sit idly by, when fantasies and outright lies
are put forward as "facts".
>
>I have tremendous respect for you when you speak about wooddorking,
Thanks; that's mutual, BTW.
>but much less so when you turn off into the political lane.
Well, you can't expect to agree with everyone you know. I do find it a bit
odd, though, that you complained about several of us, by name, who post both
on- and off-topic, but didn't even mention others who almost *never* post
anything *except* in political threads.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
In article <[email protected]>, Todd Fatheree
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Of the last 50-ish, I came up with 50 that
> were related to woodworking (some loosely) and 6 that were unrelated to
> woodworking. Ironically, 2 of the 6 that were unrelated were started by
> you.
The vast majority of threads in the last two months have been
woodworking related, on-topic threads.
I think that if Tom had nothing to complain about, he'd likely complain
about that...
--
"I'm a man, but I can change... If I have to... I guess." -- Red Green
In article <[email protected]>,
Patriarch <[email protected]> wrote:
> While the percentage of idiots with Usenet access seems to be trending
> upwards?
With AOL's dropping usenet I think we'll see a sudden decline.
--
"I'm a man, but I can change... If I have to... I guess." -- Red Green
In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Or maybe it's just an outlet for us.
>
I'll have to meditate on that.
OHMMMMMMMM...
--
"I'm a man, but I can change... If I have to... I guess." -- Red Green
In article <[email protected]>, Dave Hinz
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Jokes like that will get you inducted into the Hall of shame.
Winding yourself up again, Dave?
--
"I'm a man, but I can change... If I have to... I guess." -- Red Green
In article <[email protected]>,
Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tom Watson wrote:
> > I think that you would have a difficult time finding any political
> > comments from me since about October of 2004.
>
> I stand corrected. Starting a series of political ranting threads is
> okay as long as it happens during U.S. election season.
IIRC, by October there was no point in *starting* a political ranting
thread here on the wreck... It would've been like lighting a match in a
wildfire.
--
"The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and B,
sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows
> > >>Or maybe it's just an outlet for us.
> >
> > > The best of this thread will be inducted in the Punster Hall Of Flame?
> > An ample reward for such shocking and revolting resistance to current
> > discussions.
> > Perhaps we should insulate ourselves.
>
>
> Oh COME ON! Can't we all just get along and get back to the current topic?
Ohm my God! I can't believe ho revolting this has become.
Sorry , couldn't "resist".
Joe
aka 10x
On 18 Mar 2005 15:05:02 -0800, "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Okay, you have a point there. But you're not that far behind him in
>dishing out the political b.s.
I think that you would have a difficult time finding any political
comments from me since about October of 2004.
You could look it up.
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:31:52 -0600, "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]>
wrote:
<snipparectomy>
Of course, there have always been a few midgets wandering around, too.
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
Odeen wrote:
> WillR wrote:
>=20
>>We should be discussing things like -- oh say -- the best
>>way to stain cherry
>=20
>=20
> That's easy. You take the blood of the person wishing to stain the
> cherry (five liters - litres, Jeff - is generally adequate), thin it
> with 200 proof anhydrous denatured alcohol, mix it with a #1.5 cut of
> your favorite shellac and apply with a pad lubed with mineral oil.
>=20
relax - I just went an hurriedly threw out all my stain OK!!!!!????
>=20
> O'Deen
>=20
--=20
Will R.
Jewel Boxes and Wood Art
http://woodwork.pmccl.com
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those=20
who have not got it.=94 George Bernard Shaw
On 18 Mar 2005 09:26:42 -0800, Odeen <[email protected]> wrote:
> WillR wrote:
>> We should be discussing things like -- oh say -- the best
>> way to stain cherry
>
> That's easy. You take the blood of the person wishing to stain the
> cherry (five liters - litres, Jeff - is generally adequate),
But, isn't 5 liters all you have? Ahhhh, nevermind. Yes.
> It was an unexpected pleasure, and I marveled at its beauty for quite a
> while; a cherry sanctuary.
There's a joke in there somewhere, maybe about "but you can only go in
once", but damned if I'm gonna make it.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:58 -0600, Patriarch <[email protected]> wrote:
> Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity discussion?!!!
Wire you bringing it up, then?
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:08:23 -0500, Al Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Dave Hinz wrote:
>> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:58 -0600, Patriarch
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity
>> discussion?!!!
>> >
>> > Wire you bringing it up, then?
>>
>>
>> So he can plug his agenda.
>
> A shocking turn of events! Watts the matter with you guys?
We're just going through a phase, I think.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:31:37 -0600, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Or maybe it's just an outlet for us.
>
> I'll have to meditate on that.
> OHMMMMMMMM...
Jokes like that will get you inducted into the Hall of shame.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:14:04 GMT, Lawrence Wasserman <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:58 -0600, Patriarch
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity discussion?!!!
>>
>>Wire you bringing it up, then?
>
> Just keeping current.
Ah, more static. Figures.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:16:22 GMT, Lawrence Wasserman <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Odeen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>WillR wrote:
>>> We should be discussing things like -- oh say -- the best
>>> way to stain cherry
>>
>>That's easy. You take the blood of the person wishing to stain the
>>cherry (five liters - litres, Jeff - is generally adequate), thin it
>>with 200 proof anhydrous denatured alcohol, mix it with a #1.5 cut of
>>your favorite shellac and apply with a pad lubed with mineral oil.
><... remainder snipped ...>
>
> You left out acetone.
That takes the stain right to a liver color, doesn't it?
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:28:24 GMT, Unquestionably Confused <[email protected]> wrote:
> on 3/18/2005 2:21 PM Dave Hinz said the following:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:14:04 GMT, Lawrence Wasserman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>>>>Wire you bringing it up, then?
>>>
>>>Just keeping current.
>>
>>
>> Ah, more static. Figures.
>
> I really hate puns, but I'm still getting a charge out this thread.
Well, I'd keep an ion it, or you'll wonder wye you didn't.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:59:49 -0500, gw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:28:24 GMT, Unquestionably Confused
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> > on 3/18/2005 2:21 PM Dave Hinz said the following:
>> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:14:04 GMT, Lawrence Wasserman
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >>>>Wire you bringing it up, then?
>> >>>
>> >>>Just keeping current.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ah, more static. Figures.
>> >
>> > I really hate puns, but I'm still getting a charge out this thread.
>>
>> Well, I'd keep an ion it, or you'll wonder wye you didn't.
>>
> I think some of the fixtures in this group have lost their grounding. I'm
> going out to light up....
Who are you calling a fixture there, Sparky?
On 18 Mar 2005 13:18:59 -0800, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:28:24 GMT, Unquestionably Confused
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> > on 3/18/2005 2:21 PM Dave Hinz said the following:
>> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:14:04 GMT, Lawrence Wasserman
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >>>>Wire you bringing it up, then?
>> >>>
>> >>>Just keeping current.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ah, more static. Figures.
>> >
>> > I really hate puns, but I'm still getting a charge out this thread.
>>
>> Well, I'd keep an ion it, or you'll wonder wye you didn't.
>
> The polarity would end if somebody would just switch the subject and
> everybody re fuse to discuss it anymore.
Not to short-circuit your line of thought, but just triac convince people
to do that.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:34:04 -0600, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Dave Hinz
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Jokes like that will get you inducted into the Hall of shame.
>
> Winding yourself up again, Dave?
Any more inductance jokes and I'll have to slug somebody.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:45:25 GMT, Tim and Steph <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:34:04 -0600, Dave Balderstone
>> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, Dave Hinz
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jokes like that will get you inducted into the Hall of shame.
>>>
>>> Winding yourself up again, Dave?
>>
>> Any more inductance jokes and I'll have to slug somebody.
>
> That's a shame - there's few things I like more than a good inductance joke.
> Too bad there aren't more - but it's a narrow field.
The frequency is getting choked as well.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:17:15 -0500, WillR
<[email protected]> wrote:
>LRod wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:24:02 -0500, Robatoy <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>When I don't have a solution, why endanger somebody's life by
>>>telling him, with certainty, to connect the blue wire to terminal 6?
>>
>>
>> NOOOO!!!!! For the love of god, NOT terminal 6!!!!!!
>
>Glad you picked up on that I was going to make a post and decided it was
>best that a long time friend break the news to him -- that he screwed up
>again.
>
>People are often offended when these corrections come from a recent
>acquaintance.
>
>Terminal six! ???%#$%$#*^??? Watta weenie!!! ROTFLMAO
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operation options screen the AC switched power (i.e. paper take-up
motor) is turned off. This will allow a pulse to fire allowing the
camera to advance the film. The camera needs a constant 120VAC to run
the cam on the film advance. When the controller sends out a signal
(120VAC) it will trigger the relay sending a confirmation signal back
to the controller for confirmation. At the same time the relay is
activated it also sends a 120VAC signal which turns on a relay in the
camera sending a pulse to start the cam.
Supplies needed: 3PDT relay socket; 120VAC coil,; 3PDT relay; 6 18ga.
blue wire; 6 18ga. brown wire; 2 male pins (amp part# 66098-7) (BDS
#18710) and 1-3 pin brown AMP METRAMATE (amp part# 207360-1) (BDS#
18317) connector.
Wiring: Mount the 3PDT relay socket on the back wall of the printer.
Locate the destination cable labeled "S", in the wiring harness this
designated as the paper solenoid sense switch. Place the blue wire
onto the terminal labeled "B" and the brown wire on terminal "A", this
is the AC pulse from the controller. Next connect the white/red wire
onto terminal 7 and the black onto terminal 4, this is the
confirmation signal to tell the controller the camera advanced.
Locate J3 on the power distribution board, this located on the top
right of the controller on the driver board side. Connect a blue wire
to pin 2 and the brown wire to pin 3 of the 3 pin AMP METRAMATE. Make
sure you take a male connector and pins since these are not supplied.
Run the wires along the cable harness into the back of the printer.
Connect the brown wire onto terminal 9. The blue wire will connect to
the camera cable.
Locate the connector for the camera. Check to see if the connector is
wired correctly 1-black, 2-white, 3-red or NC., 4-orange, 5-blue. The
black and white supply a constant 120VAC and the blue and orange
supply a 120VAC pulse. In the back of the printer connect the white
and orange wires from the camera together and splice them to the blue
wire from J3 on the controller. Connect the blue wire to terminal 6 on
the 3PDT. Connect the black wire to terminal 9 on the 3PDT. Finally,
tie the green wire to chassis ground.
The printer is now ready to go. Since the relay sends a confirmation
signal to the controller the sensor does not need to be overridden.
Patriarch wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> <snip of a good analogy>
>
>>Rob
>>
>>PS. I decided not to participate in the 100+-post 220 volt discussion
>>for two reasons: LRod was doing just fine by himself and why would I
>>confuse everybody with facts?
>>A two-pole induction motor, with no load, in North America will run at
>>3600 RPM not 3450 or 3500
>>A four-pole induction motor, with no load, in North America will run
>>at 1800 RPM, not 1760 or 1745
>>Put a strobe on the shaft. Slippage doesn't occur till a load is put
>>on. When you take an amp-probe of a 2 HP Baldor(Quality) motor, with
>>nothing on the shaft, it can draw as little as 1 amp. When you add a
>>load, increasing it bit by bit (say..a clutch..or a sawblade in a
>>piece of wood), all that happens is that the current will increase to
>>the point where either the breaker blows or the motor bursts into
>>flames. It is the point at which the motor bursts into flames
>>(preventable with bigger gauge windings and better cooling) which tell
>>you the rated HP. (Just prior to the motor stalling there will be a
>>reduction of RPM under somewhat controlable conditions.
>>If your motor, under no load, say at 120 volts, draws 1.5 amp then,
>>when it puts out 2 HP it will draw 750x2/120= 12.5 amps PLUS 1.5 amp =
>>14 amps. Period. That will happen if the breaker is rated at 15 or 20
>>or 30 amps. (No semantics, please)
>>None of this works on universal (brushed) motors.
>>
>
>
> Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity discussion?!!!
> ;-)
Relax, if it wasn't for electricity you'd have to read this by
candlelight, or put the computer by the window;-)
Joe
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:170320052147001720%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Todd Fatheree
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Of the last 50-ish, I came up with 50 that
>> were related to woodworking (some loosely) and 6 that were unrelated to
>> woodworking. Ironically, 2 of the 6 that were unrelated were started by
>> you.
>
> The vast majority of threads in the last two months have been
> woodworking related, on-topic threads.
>
> I think that if Tom had nothing to complain about, he'd likely complain
> about that...
>
Possibly.
But I cut Tom a little more slack than most folks.
When he complains, he does it with such panache and style.
This is a more classy joint with him as a member.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:58 -0600, Patriarch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity discussion?!!!
>;-)
Shock value?
Barry
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:18:12 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>Once upon a time there were giants.
> >
> >Ya know, Tom, nobody's forcing you to read the OT posts...
>
> Doug - you are one of the prime movers of this political horseshit
> that is being visited upon the Wreck.
<snip>
> Asking me to ignore or filter you is like asking me to wear a gas mask
> in a bar, if I do not choose to smoke.
I'd say it's more akin to knowing that there is a back room where smoking is
allowed, then going back there on purpose and complaining about the smoke.
> There are some bars that are interesting enough that i will choose to
> be there, regardless of the smoke - until I begin to cough.
>
> You, and your brethren, have made me begin to cough.
I just did an informal and impromptu study of the last several handfulls of
threads posted to this group. Of the last 50-ish, I came up with 50 that
were related to woodworking (some loosely) and 6 that were unrelated to
woodworking. Ironically, 2 of the 6 that were unrelated were started by
you.
todd
[email protected] wrote:
> Or maybe it's just an outlet for us.
>
Sewer, faucet, drain? What type exactly?
--
Will R.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:58 -0600, Patriarch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity discussion?!!!
> ;-)
And NEVER cross the streams. It would be bad.
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:34:04 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Dave Hinz
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Jokes like that will get you inducted into the Hall of shame.
>>
>> Winding yourself up again, Dave?
>
> Any more inductance jokes and I'll have to slug somebody.
That's a shame - there's few things I like more than a good inductance joke.
Too bad there aren't more - but it's a narrow field.
on 3/18/2005 2:21 PM Dave Hinz said the following:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:14:04 GMT, Lawrence Wasserman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
>>>Wire you bringing it up, then?
>>
>>Just keeping current.
>
>
> Ah, more static. Figures.
I really hate puns, but I'm still getting a charge out this thread.
Patriarch wrote:
> Guess who <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:55:58 -0600, "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I haven't been using Usenet as long as some, but I've been using it
>>>for 20 years. Off-topic posts are not a new phenomenon, and anyone
>>>who thinks the wreck is awash with them hasn't been around much.
>>
>>That's because the percentage of idiots in this world will never
>>change.
>>
>
>
> While the percentage of idiots with Usenet access seems to be trending
> upwards?
Well, I remember in the old days, it was a bit difficult to
set up and use an NNTP newserver even if you knew they existed.
Now you can access newsgroups via the web and setting up a
news account is childs play.
--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX
Todd Fatheree wrote:
> I just did an informal and impromptu study of the last several handfull=
s of
> threads posted to this group. Of the last 50-ish, I came up with 50 th=
at
> were related to woodworking (some loosely) and 6 that were unrelated to=
> woodworking. Ironically, 2 of the 6 that were unrelated were started b=
y
> you.
>=20
> todd
>=20
Regardless of that he just made a public confession as to the errors of=20
his way and his willingness to move on. That should be enough -- unless=20
we find him guilty of recidivism -- or worse -- he offers to moderate...
Tom is right. We should be discussing things like -- oh say -- the best=20
way to stain cherry -- not the best way to hang political leaders. And=20
please -- nothing more on acetone...
So -- to celebrate this "new spirit" I will do a comparative study of=20
all my stains on a nice piece of cherry and post the results on a.b.p.w=20
- so we have something pleasant to talk about...
<ducks and runs>
--=20
Will R.
Jewel Boxes and Wood Art
http://woodwork.pmccl.com
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those=20
who have not got it.=94 George Bernard Shaw
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:28:24 GMT, Unquestionably Confused
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >I really hate puns, but I'm still getting a charge out this thread.
>
>
> "What a revolting development this is!"
>
This is getting too tense - need to relax so I shall chant the mantra for us
all -
Ohm mani padre Ohm
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:o%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Once upon a time there were giants.
>
> Ya know, Tom, nobody's forcing you to read the OT posts...
>
> I sure do miss Tom Gauldin's humor, though.
Or Walt Akers.
I'm guessing Tom is complaining again about what he does.
"Robert Allison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:IrF_d.4239$uw6.3086@trnddc06...
> Patriarch wrote:
> Now you can access newsgroups via the web and setting up a
> news account is childs play.
>
And the children do play -
Patriarch wrote:
> Guess who <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:=20
>=20
>=20
>>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:55:58 -0600, "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I haven't been using Usenet as long as some, but I've been using it
>>>for 20 years. Off-topic posts are not a new phenomenon, and anyone
>>>who thinks the wreck is awash with them hasn't been around much.
>>
>>That's because the percentage of idiots in this world will never
>>change.
>>
>=20
>=20
> While the percentage of idiots with Usenet access seems to be trending =
> upwards?
Umm yeah..
Just remember the bell curve and the definition of a standard=20
distribution and recall that half the people are at and below the line=20
and half are at the "normal" line and above... (Not even trying to get=20
the formal definition correct here guys just flow with it for a minute...=
)
It's why the "Jig-a-loo" (and swiffer) commercial succeeds. Not sure if=20
that is only in Canukistan that it runs...
Not sure if it would be acceptable to deny access to the other half --=20
not even sure which "side" has physical control anymore. So not even=20
sure what I mean by "the other half" now that I contemplate the situation=
=2E
Selling to the "smart" people appeals to at best less than half the=20
audience. Selling to "the other half" lets you access (almost) all the=20
audience. (Despite any offense taken -- watching the ads that is...)
That explains why people buy and use things they don't understand --=20
plus a whole lot of other things... like advertising trends for consumer =
products... and what level they are written to...
And if you think about it you can extend it to "packaging trends" in=20
marketing... And current sales tactics in "big box appliance stores"...=20
No info cause the assume that most people are clueless... (And they are=20
probably right eh?)
Since the people using the internet are "a large sample set" -- guess wha=
t?
********************
20% of your customers bring you 80% of your profit etc...
Likewise
20% of your customers bring you 80% of your grief...
etc.
Pareto's (sp?) law (80/20 rule) -- it could also describe a lot of=20
things that concern you -- but I suspect you already know that. LOL
**********************
Just some random loosely connected thoughts I guess... :-)
Just enjoy and laugh -- don't get offended.
*****************************
Present company excepted on all examples as a professional courtesy.
**************************
Point being that if you let current trends offend and upset you you will=
:
a: Die sooner
b. Die angry.
c. Die frustrated
d. (Fill the rest in)
and so on...
--=20
Will R.
Jewel Boxes and Wood Art
http://woodwork.pmccl.com
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those=20
who have not got it.=94 George Bernard Shaw
"Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> on 3/18/2005 12:31 PM Robatoy said the following:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Or maybe it's just an outlet for us.
> >>
> >
> >
> > The best of this thread will be inducted in the Punster Hall Of Flame?
>
> An ample reward for such shocking and revolting resistance to current
> discussions.
>
> Perhaps we should insulate ourselves.
Oh COME ON! Can't we all just get along and get back to the current topic?
:)
"firstjois" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lee Michaels wrote:
> >>
> >> But I cut Tom a little more slack than most folks.
> >>
> >> When he complains, he does it with such panache and style.
> >>
> >> This is a more classy joint with him as a member.
>
> Agreed and even though I've been around here a short time I can see that
> his panache and style add a lot to this group.
>
> Josie
>
Panache and style - that's a wooddorking joint, is it noT
gw wrote:
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>=20
>>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:28:24 GMT, Unquestionably Confused
>=20
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
>>>on 3/18/2005 2:21 PM Dave Hinz said the following:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:14:04 GMT, Lawrence Wasserman
>=20
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
>>>>>>Wire you bringing it up, then?
>>>>>
>>>>>Just keeping current.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ah, more static. Figures.
>>>
>>>I really hate puns, but I'm still getting a charge out this thread.
>>
>>Well, I'd keep an ion it, or you'll wonder wye you didn't.
>>
>=20
> I think some of the fixtures in this group have lost their grounding. I=
'm
> going out to light up....
>=20
>=20
IC
--=20
Will R.
Jewel Boxes and Wood Art
http://woodwork.pmccl.com
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those=20
who have not got it.=94 George Bernard Shaw
Guess who <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:55:58 -0600, "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>I haven't been using Usenet as long as some, but I've been using it
>>for 20 years. Off-topic posts are not a new phenomenon, and anyone
>>who thinks the wreck is awash with them hasn't been around much.
>
> That's because the percentage of idiots in this world will never
> change.
>
While the percentage of idiots with Usenet access seems to be trending
upwards?
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Well, you can't expect to agree with everyone you know. I do find it a
> bit odd, though, that you complained about several of us, by name, who
> post both on- and off-topic, but didn't even mention others who almost
> *never* post anything *except* in political threads.
>
I'm not complaining, mind you, but the excellent filtering technologies
available (Thank you, sir) allow me to filter the unwanted politically
oriented diatribes pretty easily.
But I really don't want to plonk the folks who often have something
interesting to say, even when it's supposedly off-topic.
By the way, I've learned to do that in analog life, as well. When the
conversation turned to openly gay public school teachers, and how to
legislate regarding that activity, I quietly got up, went out to the shop,
and put on the hearing protection, and cranked up the big iron.
I can't solve all the problems in the world. Darned few, actually.
Patriarch
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
<snip of a good analogy>
> Rob
>
> PS. I decided not to participate in the 100+-post 220 volt discussion
> for two reasons: LRod was doing just fine by himself and why would I
> confuse everybody with facts?
> A two-pole induction motor, with no load, in North America will run at
> 3600 RPM not 3450 or 3500
> A four-pole induction motor, with no load, in North America will run
> at 1800 RPM, not 1760 or 1745
> Put a strobe on the shaft. Slippage doesn't occur till a load is put
> on. When you take an amp-probe of a 2 HP Baldor(Quality) motor, with
> nothing on the shaft, it can draw as little as 1 amp. When you add a
> load, increasing it bit by bit (say..a clutch..or a sawblade in a
> piece of wood), all that happens is that the current will increase to
> the point where either the breaker blows or the motor bursts into
> flames. It is the point at which the motor bursts into flames
> (preventable with bigger gauge windings and better cooling) which tell
> you the rated HP. (Just prior to the motor stalling there will be a
> reduction of RPM under somewhat controlable conditions.
> If your motor, under no load, say at 120 volts, draws 1.5 amp then,
> when it puts out 2 HP it will draw 750x2/120= 12.5 amps PLUS 1.5 amp =
> 14 amps. Period. That will happen if the breaker is rated at 15 or 20
> or 30 amps. (No semantics, please)
> None of this works on universal (brushed) motors.
>
Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity discussion?!!!
;-)
LRod wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:24:02 -0500, Robatoy <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>>When I don't have a solution, why endanger somebody's life by=20
>>telling him, with certainty, to connect the blue wire to terminal 6?
>=20
>=20
> NOOOO!!!!! For the love of god, NOT terminal 6!!!!!!
Glad you picked up on that I was going to make a post and decided it was =
best that a long time friend break the news to him -- that he screwed up =
again.
People are often offended when these corrections come from a recent=20
acquaintance.
Terminal six! ???%#$%$#*^??? Watta weenie!!! ROTFLMAO
>=20
>>PS. I decided not to participate in the 100+-post 220 volt discussion=20
>>for two reasons: LRod was doing just fine by himself...
>=20
>=20
> Heh, heh. Thanks.
>=20
Don't think I wanna touch that. :-)
It did provide some interesting diversion while working on a difficult=20
problem and I had my feet up thinking... So it wasn't wasted.
--=20
Will R.
Jewel Boxes and Wood Art
http://woodwork.pmccl.com
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those=20
who have not got it.=94 George Bernard Shaw
"Todd Fatheree" wrote in message
> I haven't been using Usenet as long as some, but I've been using it for 20
> years. Off-topic posts are not a new phenomenon, and anyone who thinks
the
> wreck is awash with them hasn't been around much.
Dude, you're obviously living in the future past! ... surely you believe the
reports that the wRECdorker's of yore, unlike the girly men who apparently
frequent the place now, shaved with their jointer blades and poured shellac
over walnut sawdust for breakfast??
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 11/06/04
"Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> on 3/18/2005 12:31 PM Robatoy said the following:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Or maybe it's just an outlet for us.
> >>
> >
> >
> > The best of this thread will be inducted in the Punster Hall Of Flame?
>
> An ample reward for such shocking and revolting resistance to current
> discussions.
>
> Perhaps we should insulate ourselves.
>
This thread is getting out of hand, and waaaaaay too long! Let's take the
short circuit around the track, and never forget ELI the ICE man.
Hey, it's late and tired, and the best I could do.
--
Nahmie
Those on the cutting edge bleed a lot.
In article <[email protected]>,
WillR <[email protected]> wrote:
[brevitized]
> Tom is right. We should be discussing things like -- oh say -- the best
> way to stain cherry -- not the best way to hang political leaders. And
> please -- nothing more on acetone...
Newsgroups are, if they're any good, somewhat like a neighbourhood pub.
Some patrons are here to refresh themselves.
Some are here to tell tall tales.
Some have a new (to them) joke to share.
Some talk about yesterday. (They don't make 'm like they used to)
Some talk about tomorrow. (One day, somebody is going to make a glue
dispenser that works)
Some just stroll in to take a whizz.
Some are just plain assholes looking for a fight.
Some sit in a corner and just want to be left-the-hell alone.
Some come in to meet up with a specific like-minded patron.
Some are here to discuss the day's events, either in their personal
lives, or on a world-wide scale.
Some patrons are cantankerous old farts.
Some patrons need to re-assert their own manliness by pushing other men
down so that they may look like they are 'better' or' winners', at least
in their own minds. ( A true winner's glory is elevated by the strength
of the contender who ended up in second place.) Anybody with half a
brain can beat up on a trollin' idiot.
The common interest, unlike the BikerBar down the street, or Plumber's
Pool Hall, up the road, in here, it's wooddorking. We try to help each
other. In my case, when I feel pretty sure I have a solution, I'll offer
it up. When I don't have a solution, why endanger somebody's life by
telling him, with certainty, to connect the blue wire to terminal 6?
I like it here, warts and all.
And to hell with politics and religion. There are pubs on the other side
of town that deal with those subjects...they're easy to spot..there's a
lot of blood on the floors.
0¿0
Rob
PS. I decided not to participate in the 100+-post 220 volt discussion
for two reasons: LRod was doing just fine by himself and why would I
confuse everybody with facts?
A two-pole induction motor, with no load, in North America will run at
3600 RPM not 3450 or 3500
A four-pole induction motor, with no load, in North America will run at
1800 RPM, not 1760 or 1745
Put a strobe on the shaft. Slippage doesn't occur till a load is put on.
When you take an amp-probe of a 2 HP Baldor(Quality) motor, with nothing
on the shaft, it can draw as little as 1 amp. When you add a load,
increasing it bit by bit (say..a clutch..or a sawblade in a piece of
wood), all that happens is that the current will increase to the point
where either the breaker blows or the motor bursts into flames. It is
the point at which the motor bursts into flames (preventable with bigger
gauge windings and better cooling) which tell you the rated HP. (Just
prior to the motor stalling there will be a reduction of RPM under
somewhat controlable conditions.
If your motor, under no load, say at 120 volts, draws 1.5 amp then, when
it puts out 2 HP it will draw 750x2/120= 12.5 amps PLUS 1.5 amp = 14
amps. Period. That will happen if the breaker is rated at 15 or 20 or 30
amps. (No semantics, please)
None of this works on universal (brushed) motors.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
[snipperized]
> Connect the blue wire to terminal 6 on
ROTFLMAO
In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:58 -0600, Patriarch
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity discussion?!!!
>
> Wire you bringing it up, then?
Because he doesn't have the capacity to resist the temptation?
To each his ohm, I guess.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
> Or maybe it's just an outlet for us.
>
The best of this thread will be inducted in the Punster Hall Of Flame?
In article <Fb0%d.9926$qN3.9516@trndny01>,
"Tim and Steph" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:34:04 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> > <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
> >> In article <[email protected]>, Dave Hinz
> >><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Jokes like that will get you inducted into the Hall of shame.
> >>
> >> Winding yourself up again, Dave?
> >
> > Any more inductance jokes and I'll have to slug somebody.
>
> That's a shame - there's few things I like more than a good inductance joke.
> Too bad there aren't more - but it's a narrow field.
>
>
>
Stay tuned...this group is going through a transformation. The disease
is terminal.
In article <[email protected]>,
WillR <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity discussion?!!!
> > ;-)
>
>
> Actually that was comedy -- get with the program. ROTFLMAO
Ohhh Ye of little faith!!!
The Popiel PocketFisherman LIVES!!!!!
"Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> on 3/18/2005 2:21 PM Dave Hinz said the following:
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:14:04 GMT, Lawrence Wasserman
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>>>>Wire you bringing it up, then?
>>>
>>>Just keeping current.
>>
>> Ah, more static. Figures.
>
> I really hate puns, but I'm still getting a charge out this thread.
>
A helium and a hydrogen atom were walking along. The helium atom suddenly
went pale and exclaimed "I think I've lost an electron." The hydrogen atom
replied, "Are you positive?"
Larry
In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:58 -0600, Patriarch
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity discussion?!!!
>
>Wire you bringing it up, then?
Just keeping current.
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:18:12 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Once upon a time there were giants.
>
>Ya know, Tom, nobody's forcing you to read the OT posts...
Well, we'll get to that in a moment.
>
>I sure do miss Tom Gauldin's humor, though.
As do I. And I also miss your good sense.
(I think that we are getting back to it now)
Doug - you are one of the prime movers of this political horseshit
that is being visited upon the Wreck.
I have tremendous respect for you when you speak about wooddorking,
but much less so when you turn off into the political lane.
For a brief period, in the months prior to the most recent
Presidential Election, I visited that slippery path of political
discourse - and I continue to regret it.
Where once I enjoyed the consanguinity of fellow wooddorkers, I found
myself to be amazed and occasionally disgusted by their political
views.
It was my fault. It is what is called a "category error" by
logicians.
I introduced a modality of enquiry into a woodworking forum which
truly belonged in another venue.
Upon realizing my error, I apologized, swore it off, and moved on.
Why haven't you?
Your argument that goes to others using filters or ignoring the
political diatribes does not go to the point.
The point is - this is not a forum for political bombast.
You are a smart man. You should be able to figure this out.
Your co-conspirators should also be able to figure it out.
Asking me to ignore or filter you is like asking me to wear a gas mask
in a bar, if I do not choose to smoke.
There are some bars that are interesting enough that i will choose to
be there, regardless of the smoke - until I begin to cough.
You, and your brethren, have made me begin to cough.
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
"Tom Watson" wrote in message
<snip>
> The problem with the Politics and Religion threads is that they wind
> up being about what divides us, instead of focusing on what we have in
> common - which allegedly is WoodDorking.
<snip>
> Could be wrong about this, I guess.
Naah, you're right on, as usual, Tawm ...
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:24:02 -0500, Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:
> When I don't have a solution, why endanger somebody's life by
>telling him, with certainty, to connect the blue wire to terminal 6?
NOOOO!!!!! For the love of god, NOT terminal 6!!!!!!
>PS. I decided not to participate in the 100+-post 220 volt discussion
>for two reasons: LRod was doing just fine by himself...
Heh, heh. Thanks.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:28:24 GMT, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I really hate puns, but I'm still getting a charge out this thread.
"What a revolting development this is!"
Chester A. Riley
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
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http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
"Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> on 3/18/2005 4:39 PM John said the following:
>> This thread seems to have unlimited capacitance.
>>
>
> Unlimited capacitance for watt?
>
>
> Game, set and match! Beat that!
CNN reports rom Atlanta the Energizer Bunny arrested---charged with battery.
on 3/18/2005 5:07 PM Vic Baron said the following:
> "Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>on 3/18/2005 4:39 PM John said the following:
>>
>>>This thread seems to have unlimited capacitance.
>>>
>>
>>Unlimited capacitance for watt?
>>
>>
>>Game, set and match! Beat that!
>
>
>
> Well, after that, I guess I'll jump on my megacycle and ride across the
> Wheatstone Bridge and find my girlfriend Milli Amp and we can spend the
> evening reversing polarity and blowing each other's fuses.
>
> So there!
I fold! <g>
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:28:49 GMT, "Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>CNN reports rom Atlanta the Energizer Bunny arrested---charged with battery.
>
A cute bag o' chips walks up to the macho battery and says, "If you're
EverReady, I'm FritoLay".
(...ouch...)
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
"Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:RuJ_d.82681$Ze3.62767@attbi_s51...
>
> "Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > on 3/18/2005 4:39 PM John said the following:
> >> This thread seems to have unlimited capacitance.
> >>
> >
> > Unlimited capacitance for watt?
> >
> >
> > Game, set and match! Beat that!
>
> CNN reports rom Atlanta the Energizer Bunny arrested---charged with
battery.
>
I heard he was dead . . . someone put the battery in backwards and he just
kept coming and coming and coming . . .
--
Nahmie
Those on the cutting edge bleed a lot.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:08:46 -0500, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I heard he was dead . . . someone put the battery in backwards and he just
>kept coming and coming and coming . . .
Have you no shame, sir!
(watson - who is currently biting a pretty good hole in his lip to
keep from laughing)
Good one, Nahmie.
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:39:02 -0600, [email protected] (John) wrote:
>This thread seems to have unlimited capacitance.
I'm currently charged up about it!
Barry
"Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> on 3/18/2005 4:39 PM John said the following:
> > This thread seems to have unlimited capacitance.
> >
>
> Unlimited capacitance for watt?
>
>
> Game, set and match! Beat that!
Well, after that, I guess I'll jump on my megacycle and ride across the
Wheatstone Bridge and find my girlfriend Milli Amp and we can spend the
evening reversing polarity and blowing each other's fuses.
So there!
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:55:58 -0600, "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I haven't been using Usenet as long as some, but I've been using it for 20
>years. Off-topic posts are not a new phenomenon, and anyone who thinks the
>wreck is awash with them hasn't been around much.
That's because the percentage of idiots in this world will never
change.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:59:49 -0500, "gw" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I think some of the fixtures in this group have lost their grounding. I'm
>going out to light up....
I think Vito, et al, had it wrong. This group doesn't need a
moderator, it needs...
(scroll down)
are you ready?
(scroll down)
I'm really sorry about this...
(scroll down)
a conductor.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>The situation here is far from being out-of-control. However, we
>do see OT threads being started here where the first article is the
>ONLY article ever posted to UseNet under that username.
>
>This makes it clear that someone is trying to bust our chain. I
>supspec that Mr Miller and Mr Hinz would agree that they should
>be ignored.
Yep. And I [generally] do.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>Once upon a time there were giants.
Ya know, Tom, nobody's forcing you to read the OT posts...
I sure do miss Tom Gauldin's humor, though.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:02:48 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Dude, you're obviously living in the future past! ... surely you believe the
>reports that the wRECdorker's of yore, unlike the girly men who apparently
>frequent the place now, shaved with their jointer blades and poured shellac
>over walnut sawdust for breakfast??
Yeah, dontcha just hate these damned Girlymen?
It was more in the way of introducing some of the newish folks to the
people who ain't around no more, Swing.
Hell, anybody ought to be able to have fun dragging up a Paully Rad
thread, or one of the O'Deen-Bennett threads.
The only OT categories that I really have a problem with are the ones
that our Mommas told us not to play with in public: Politics and
Religion.
My Momma wasn't big on having us discuss Personal Hygiene Matters in
public, neither - but that's a fight for another day.
The problem with the Politics and Religion threads is that they wind
up being about what divides us, instead of focusing on what we have in
common - which allegedly is WoodDorking.
Everybody gets pissed off at each other, and the general harmony, such
as it is, breaks down.
The real sad thing is that a lot of the fellas that consistently enter
into these discussions seem like real smart people. But, with all the
buttons that can get pushed, in a discussion that could be reasonable,
but almost never is, things just get way out of hand; brains go out
the window; people establish entrenched positions - and it becomes a
siege, going on and on and on.
The absolute worst thing about these threads is that they are the
primary reason that a lot of good people leave the group. There are
resources that are denied to us because those resources can't hack the
bullshit - and they pass on to some other venue.
Could be wrong about this, I guess.
You know the motto of the Wreck:
"Your Mileage May Vary".
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
On 18 Mar 2005 09:26:42 -0800, "Odeen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>It was an unexpected pleasure, and I marveled at its beauty for quite a
>while; a cherry sanctuary.
>
>O'Deen
You were in a Convent?
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
Odeen wrote:
> WillR wrote:
>=20
>>We should be discussing things like -- oh say -- the best
>>way to stain cherry
>=20
>=20
> That's easy. You take the blood of the person wishing to stain the
> cherry (five liters - litres, Jeff - is generally adequate), thin it
> with 200 proof anhydrous denatured alcohol, mix it with a #1.5 cut of
> your favorite shellac and apply with a pad lubed with mineral oil.
>=20
> On a somewhat related note, I had the opportunity to examine close to
> 200 solid cherry side chairs while rehearsing in the sanctuary of The
> Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, here in Los Angeles (that's
> Spanish for "The Angels," Will).=20
Si senor. Muchas gracias. No hay problemas con parablas faciles.
" I noticed that, while the finish on
> the cherry had a slight tint to it, there had been no attempt to stain
> all those chairs to match. What a refreshing change from the muddy,
> dull dreck that I generally encounter, posing as fine furniture. The
> subtle variances in color were not unlike the variations of the trees
> in the forest... as though it were a celebration of all the hues of
> cherry.
>=20
> It was an unexpected pleasure, and I marveled at its beauty for quite a=
> while; a cherry sanctuary.
>=20
> O'Deen
>=20
If I ever get back there I will look. Thank you for the thoughts. Sounds =
like a "bit of heaven" in more than one sense of the word. :-)
--=20
Will R.
Jewel Boxes and Wood Art
http://woodwork.pmccl.com
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those=20
who have not got it.=94 George Bernard Shaw
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:170320052147001720%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Todd Fatheree
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Of the last 50-ish, I came up with 50 that
> > were related to woodworking (some loosely) and 6 that were unrelated to
> > woodworking. Ironically, 2 of the 6 that were unrelated were started by
> > you.
>
> The vast majority of threads in the last two months have been
> woodworking related, on-topic threads.
>
> I think that if Tom had nothing to complain about, he'd likely complain
> about that...
I haven't been using Usenet as long as some, but I've been using it for 20
years. Off-topic posts are not a new phenomenon, and anyone who thinks the
wreck is awash with them hasn't been around much.
todd
On 18 Mar 2005 09:26:42 -0800, "Odeen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>WillR wrote:
>> We should be discussing things like -- oh say -- the best
>> way to stain cherry
>
>That's easy. You take the blood of the person wishing to stain the
>cherry (five liters - litres, Jeff - is generally adequate), thin it
>with 200 proof anhydrous denatured alcohol, mix it with a #1.5 cut of
>your favorite shellac and apply with a pad lubed with mineral oil.
>
>On a somewhat related note, I had the opportunity to examine close to
>200 solid cherry side chairs while rehearsing in the sanctuary of The
>Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, here in Los Angeles (that's
>Spanish for "The Angels," Will). I noticed that, while the finish on
>the cherry had a slight tint to it, there had been no attempt to stain
>all those chairs to match. What a refreshing change from the muddy,
>dull dreck that I generally encounter, posing as fine furniture. The
>subtle variances in color were not unlike the variations of the trees
>in the forest... as though it were a celebration of all the hues of
>cherry.
>
>It was an unexpected pleasure, and I marveled at its beauty for quite a
>while; a cherry sanctuary.
>
>O'Deen
"Up jumped the monkey from the cocoanut grove
He was a cool..."
Good to see you around here again, O'Deener.
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
In article <[email protected]>,
Odeen <[email protected]> wrote:
>WillR wrote:
>> We should be discussing things like -- oh say -- the best
>> way to stain cherry
>
>That's easy. You take the blood of the person wishing to stain the
>cherry (five liters - litres, Jeff - is generally adequate), thin it
>with 200 proof anhydrous denatured alcohol, mix it with a #1.5 cut of
>your favorite shellac and apply with a pad lubed with mineral oil.
<... remainder snipped ...>
You left out acetone.
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:26:58 -0600, Patriarch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Does EVERY THREAD need to devolve into an electricity discussion?!!!
>;-)
That really made me laugh. Thanks.
Thomas J. Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Once upon a time there were giants.
>
On the whole this is a pretty decent group. Much of the advice is
uninformed, but there is usually some wheat mixed in with the chaff.
Other groups are troubled by lunatics and are unusable. One I visit had to
go moderated to escape it. (no, it wasn't me...)
So, be grateful for what you have.
on 3/18/2005 12:31 PM Robatoy said the following:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>Or maybe it's just an outlet for us.
>>
>
>
> The best of this thread will be inducted in the Punster Hall Of Flame?
An ample reward for such shocking and revolting resistance to current
discussions.
Perhaps we should insulate ourselves.
Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>> But I cut Tom a little more slack than most folks.
>>
>> When he complains, he does it with such panache and style.
>>
>> This is a more classy joint with him as a member.
Agreed and even though I've been around here a short time I can see that
his panache and style add a lot to this group.
Josie
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:28:24 GMT, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > on 3/18/2005 2:21 PM Dave Hinz said the following:
> >> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:14:04 GMT, Lawrence Wasserman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >>>>Wire you bringing it up, then?
> >>>
> >>>Just keeping current.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ah, more static. Figures.
> >
> > I really hate puns, but I'm still getting a charge out this thread.
>
> Well, I'd keep an ion it, or you'll wonder wye you didn't.
>
I think some of the fixtures in this group have lost their grounding. I'm
going out to light up....
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:31:52 -0600, "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> <snipparectomy>
>
>
> Of course, there have always been a few midgets wandering around, too.
Don't forget about the bloviating blowhards.
todd