I have some cub scouts coming over later this week for a a couple of
woodworking projects (picture frame, whistle and a recipe holder). I
got some jigs set up and I think the cutting and nailing will be fine
- I was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on finishing with
uncured glue so that I can send the projects home on the same night.
most of the parts will be nailed/screwed and glued.
I was thinking a wiped on oil might be easy for them to apply, but
think it might turn into a mess if the glue is not dried. Any
thoughts? Maybe a different kind of glue? (I think epoxies,
Cyanoacrylate, and poly's would all have their own disadvantages for
kids to work with(
Thanks,
Rich
On Oct 28, 7:21=A0pm, Richk <[email protected]> wrote:
> - I was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on finishing with
> uncured glue so that I can send the projects home on the same night.
> most of the parts will be nailed/screwed and glued.
You might try one of the low temp glue guns for your adhesive.
Somewhere back in my mind is a picture of a girl scout troop using
them to make scrapbooks. The scrapbooks were made and finished in a
night.
Give it a dry run with your own young scout and see how it goes.
I can only imagine the fun of a lot of little boys squirting glue out
of a "gun".
Robert
I wouldn't worry about the glue not drying under a finish. If the are
nailed or screwed so they will hold together they are good to go.
I would get a can of zinseer bullseye shellac. Pretty much non-toxic
and dries in 5 minutes if you put it on thin. You could even get some
alcohol and thin it down a bit and it will dry even faster. You could
have them sand the first coat with 400 and do a second. Just apply
very thin coats. Give each scout a dixie cup 1/2 full and one of those
50 cent 1 1/2" brushes.
On Oct 28, 6:21=A0pm, Richk <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have some cub scouts coming over later this week for a a couple of
> woodworking projects (picture frame, whistle and a recipe holder). =A0I
> got some jigs set up and I think the cutting and nailing will be fine
> - I was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on finishing with
> uncured glue so that I can send the projects home on the same night.
> most of the parts will be nailed/screwed and glued.
>
> I was thinking a wiped on oil might be easy for them to apply, but
> think it might turn into a mess if the glue is not dried. =A0Any
> thoughts? =A0Maybe a different kind of glue? (I think epoxies,
> Cyanoacrylate, and poly's would all have their own disadvantages for
> kids to work with(
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
Very cool.
Ouch on the screwdriver. One good lesson I always give is about sharp
tools. It doesn't really relate to the screwdriver accident but it
does remind me of the safety issue.
Whenever I pick up a sharp chisel especially, but any sharp tool. Or
if I have them out on the table, I remind my self not to try and catch
them if they slip out of my hand or get bumped off the table. Grabbing
them can be dangerous. That little reminder always keeps me thinking
"slow and safe".
Fun fact... You can tint the shellac with Transtint liquid dyes. Reds,
oranges, browns or even blackish. Just need to be more careful about
overlap to get an even color. The kids might like that little bit of
customization. Do one drop at a time and test the color. Mix and match
and all the mistakes just come out brown ;^) Of course one little
spill of the dye and the kid will have a brown hand for weeks. Maybe
better to go natural.
On Oct 30, 5:56=A0pm, Richk <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 29, 2:04=A0am, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't worry about the glue not drying under a finish. If the are
> > nailed or screwed so they will hold together they are good to go.
>
> > I would get a can of zinseer bullseye shellac. Pretty much non-toxic
> > and dries in 5 minutes if you put it on thin. You could even get some
> > alcohol and thin it down a bit and it will dry even faster. You could
> > have them sand the first coat with 400 and do a second. Just apply
> > very thin coats. Give each scout a dixie cup 1/2 full and one of those
> > 50 cent 1 1/2" brushes.
>
> I went with the shellac - shouldn't have worried about the drying
> issue. =A0It was pretty busy in my garage this evening . . we got the
> woodwork done, but didn't get to the finishing . . next weeks
> project. =A0Now I'm relaxing and having a beer. =A0The kids had fun and
> the only injury was one of the dads when a kid slipped with a
> screwdriver.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Rich
Richk <[email protected]> wrote:
> - I was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on finishing with
> uncured glue so that I can send the projects home on the same night.
> most of the parts will be nailed/screwed and glued.
I don't think it would be a problem if mechanical fastners are doing
most of the holding.
> I was thinking a wiped on oil might be easy for them to apply, but
> think it might turn into a mess if the glue is not dried. Any
> thoughts?
I like oil finishes myself for the simplicity. You might want to use
something like Tru Oil though, which dries really fast (2 hours or
less). If that sounds interesting, you should experiment with it a
bit first to see how it dries. In particular take care not to apply
it too thick, as that can leave a rough surface after it cures.
> Maybe a different kind of glue? (I think epoxies, Cyanoacrylate, and
> poly's would all have their own disadvantages for kids to work with
I can easily imagine a number of kids getting their fingers stuck
together if they're using CA glue. 5 minute epoxy would set quickly,
but you'd likely need to be mixing up a lot of small bathces for them and then
they'd have to apply it with a small stick or spreader. I'm not fond of
the polyurethane/foaming glues.
So it does seem like something simple like Elmer's white glue would
be the way to go. The only issue that comes to mind here is making
sure they don't squeeze out too much and make a big mess of things.
Gel stains would be pretty easy and they even dry quickly.
Krylon would also be a possible solution but little boys
with paint bombs could be problematic.
Richk wrote:
> I have some cub scouts coming over later this week for a a couple of
> woodworking projects (picture frame, whistle and a recipe holder). I
> got some jigs set up and I think the cutting and nailing will be fine
> - I was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on finishing with
> uncured glue so that I can send the projects home on the same night.
> most of the parts will be nailed/screwed and glued.
>
> I was thinking a wiped on oil might be easy for them to apply, but
> think it might turn into a mess if the glue is not dried. Any
> thoughts? Maybe a different kind of glue? (I think epoxies,
> Cyanoacrylate, and poly's would all have their own disadvantages for
> kids to work with(
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
On Oct 29, 2:04=A0am, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I wouldn't worry about the glue not drying under a finish. If the are
> nailed or screwed so they will hold together they are good to go.
>
> I would get a can of zinseer bullseye shellac. Pretty much non-toxic
> and dries in 5 minutes if you put it on thin. You could even get some
> alcohol and thin it down a bit and it will dry even faster. You could
> have them sand the first coat with 400 and do a second. Just apply
> very thin coats. Give each scout a dixie cup 1/2 full and one of those
> 50 cent 1 1/2" brushes.
I went with the shellac - shouldn't have worried about the drying
issue. It was pretty busy in my garage this evening . . we got the
woodwork done, but didn't get to the finishing . . next weeks
project. Now I'm relaxing and having a beer. The kids had fun and
the only injury was one of the dads when a kid slipped with a
screwdriver.
Thanks for the info.
Rich
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:12:48 GMT, Pat Barber
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gel stains would be pretty easy and they even dry quickly.
>
>Krylon would also be a possible solution but little boys
>with paint bombs could be problematic.
>
>
>Richk wrote:
>> I have some cub scouts coming over later this week for a a couple of
>> woodworking projects (picture frame, whistle and a recipe holder). I
>> got some jigs set up and I think the cutting and nailing will be fine
>> - I was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on finishing with
>> uncured glue so that I can send the projects home on the same night.
>> most of the parts will be nailed/screwed and glued.
I do samples all the time...a quick wipe with some Minwax-type stain
(let it set for a bit) works with a couple of coats of spray
lacquer...wood glue should set up within 15 or 20 minutes and if it's
nailed too it should be fine to go over with stain or, like the
previous poster said, Krylon (same cavaet, tho!). Make sure the excess
glue is wiped off pretty quickly so just a little sanding will get rid
of the remaining residue...especially if you're staining. Paint is
best here...glue residue then is not much of an issue.
cg
>>
>> I was thinking a wiped on oil might be easy for them to apply, but
>> think it might turn into a mess if the glue is not dried. Any
>> thoughts? Maybe a different kind of glue? (I think epoxies,
>> Cyanoacrylate, and poly's would all have their own disadvantages for
>> kids to work with(
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rich