Moved from So CALIF to Georgia and trying to keep CALIF ISP we have
used for several years. They provided a list of 25 phone number
prefixes that they are networked with somehow and one number has worked
until yesterday. We signed up for Bellsouth ISP support but signing on
there isn't entirely compatible with the CALIF ISP. Username isn't the
same and I'm pursuing a "throw away" free ISP as backup. Bellsouth
leases their lines to another company that we switched to and they
assert nothing will change but everyone knows how "they" are. Just
checked Juno as memory recalled no cost and cost options but all I saw
was $9.95/month which I'd like to avoid. Retirement income doesn't
offer much wiggleroom! I'm accustomed to downloading posts from 4
newsgroups and reading offline and dislike tying up the phoneline if
forced to read/respond online instead of offline. Suggestions welcomed.
On 4/9/2006 6:14 PM Ba r r y mumbled something about the following:
> On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:20:10 -0400, Odinn <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> And why is that? With gmail, or yahoo, or any of the other free
>> services, you can access you mail from ANY web capable kiosk or internet
>> cafe.
>
>
> What he said.
>
> Even my Network Solutions hosted private domain addresses have a slick
> web interface included in the $10/month fee. POP3 is overrated
> nowadays, and possibly even obsolete.
>
> Barry
Not to mention VERY insecure/hackable.
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Gooey TARBALLS wrote:
> Netzero has a POP3 e-mail account worth looking at. $9.95/year includes 10
> hours / month of access and phone numbers galore (so far, I've not found a
> little town where I can't get a toll-free number.
>
> No, not suggesting you use this as your ISP, but in conjunction with any ISP
> you choose. Had you done this before moving, you would still have your
> e-mail address plus access in every town you stopped at heading East.
>
> And, if you find the next ISP you select is less appealing than what you had
> or a new alternative, switching is no problem - you keep your e-mail
> address.
>
> I would suggest going to the Internet and entering your zip code into the
> various ISP PROVIDER links GOOGLE will provide you. Competition is heating
> up in some markets (here Verizon is offering $14.95 DSL with a free wireless
> modem and a fifty-dollar Best Buy Gift card and I jumped off the $50/month
> COMCAST in a NY Minute.
>
-snip-
I live in a small town and the phone lines were so poor that I could not
use dial-up. The pops & crackles would knock me off line. Only one line
was available in my neighborhood and they had no plans to run more
lines. Would DSL work on this line, or would they have to run new lines
for it? Rather than risk it I changed to cable modem and it is nice, but
expensive.
--
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Cochran, GA
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I fully support keeping an email account separate from ISP domain.
Most people think you have to have an email address tied to your ISP
and that's not true. You can do it for free these days with Google mail
or AIM mail and 2 gb of storage included.
I've had a commercial yahoo account for years in order to retain a
permanent email address and get rid of any advertising. I got it
originally when I moved overseas. Its been worth it.
Bob
Odinn wrote:
> Look. I've been in the computer industry for 25+ years. I've written
> more applications than I care to think about for Mainframes, UNIX,
> DOS, Windows, etc.
Darn newbies are everywhere! I started 50 years ago :-).
Of course, I had the good sense to retire 10 years ago when my clients
started requesing I put SCADA systems on Windoze :-).
--
It's turtles, all the way down
Odinn wrote:
>> Of course, I had the good sense to retire 10 years ago when my
>> clients started requesing I put SCADA systems on Windoze :-).
>>
>
> Damn, did you work on ENIAC?
>
Nope - just Univac, Readix, Ramac, etc.. My favorite was the GE400
series that came out in the mid 60s. I even wrote a DOS for that one,
with about as much functionality as MSDOS :-).
I started with punched cards in '55 and started programming on the
Readix in '57. Take a look at:
http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/BRL61-0809.jpg
--
It's turtles, all the way down
On 4/9/2006 10:52 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
> "And why is that? With gmail, or yahoo,"
>
> Yahoo is NOT a POP3 account; GMAIL is.
>
> Yes, any e-mail account can be accessed from any connection to the WWW, but
> only POP3 accounts can be accessed via one's e-mail client via such a
> connection. Those of us who carry their laptops everywhere, like using an
> onboard e-mail client to read, write and store their e-mail.
>
> If you don't use Outlook Express or similar, its hard to explain all the
> benefits. In fact, if you are new to such an e-mail client, it may be months
> before you can appreciate the benefits.
>
> If you had a JUNO account years ago, you have an idea of how it works. You
> can read and compose off-line or not. Means, for instance, that you can
> attend to your e-mail on the light in and connect and up/down load from the
> motel room. With the NetZero $9.95 account, this would translate into free
> Internet e-mail access 3 times a day every day all year long. Not bad for a
> fellow traveler with a notebook.
>
>
> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/9/2006 2:29 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
>>> Yep, forgot about Google - a FREE POP3 e-mail account. I've got one of
>>> those, too.
>>>
>>> POP3 is KEY. You do not want an account that requires the ISP's mail
>>> client. You want an account that will work with most any e-mail client
>>> and Outlook Express.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> I fully support keeping an email account separate from ISP domain.
>>>> Most people think you have to have an email address tied to your ISP
>>>> and that's not true. You can do it for free these days with Google mail
>>>> or AIM mail and 2 gb of storage included.
>>>>
>>>> I've had a commercial yahoo account for years in order to retain a
>>>> permanent email address and get rid of any advertising. I got it
>>>> originally when I moved overseas. Its been worth it.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>
>> And why is that? With gmail, or yahoo, or any of the other free services,
>> you can access you mail from ANY web capable kiosk or internet cafe.
>
Look. I've been in the computer industry for 25+ years. I've written
more applications than I care to think about for Mainframes, UNIX, DOS,
Windows, etc. I've owned an ISP, and am pretty sure that I know what
I'm talking about here. You haven't even learned how to trim sig's from
messages yet.
POP is VERY insecure, easily hackable, and a very pisspoor method of
receiving email. IMAP is only slightly better. Using POP3 or IMAP over
SSL makes them a bit more secure, but there are no providers that use
that, because it means explaining to the customer how to set it up
instead of using default out-of-the-box settings.
Using a web interfaced free account is much better (provided it's using
HTTPS during authentication), allowing you MUCH more freedom of where
you can access email from. Outhouse Express allows you to download
email from several different web based emails, not just POP or IMAP
(which you keep forgetting, which is better than POP). Not to mention
that Outhouse Express is the WORST email client you could ever use.
--
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rot13 [email protected] to reply
Yep, forgot about Google - a FREE POP3 e-mail account. I've got one of
those, too.
POP3 is KEY. You do not want an account that requires the ISP's mail client.
You want an account that will work with most any e-mail client and Outlook
Express.
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I fully support keeping an email account separate from ISP domain.
> Most people think you have to have an email address tied to your ISP
> and that's not true. You can do it for free these days with Google mail
> or AIM mail and 2 gb of storage included.
>
> I've had a commercial yahoo account for years in order to retain a
> permanent email address and get rid of any advertising. I got it
> originally when I moved overseas. Its been worth it.
>
> Bob
>
"placed the "CO" equipment in small roadside cabinets"
Picky, picky picky. So the "switch" as I called it is no longer housed in a
brick and mortar edifice somewhere "downtown," but is dispersed into several
small cabinets located along the main lines.
This simply brings "the switch" closer to more folks.
Most of the conversation was about this fellow who was having trouble doing
simple dial-up on his "popping" phone lines and asking if DSL would help
over the same POTS wire.
I agree that, if I gave him the impression that he should measure the
distance from the old brick phone company building in the heart of his
closest town, my advice was wrong. But I told him to check the internet to
see if DSL was available for his phone number.
If he did that, and was advised that the service was available, you can bet
that the provider will get his lines fixed to get and keep this new DSL
customer (if at all possible).
But, if he's too far from the switch or the little box, they will
regretfully advise him that DSL is simply not available in his town.
So, I went on to suggest that his "popping" phone line was an anomaly and he
should contact the phone company and try and get that fixed - regardless.
"Ba r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:19:12 GMT, "Gooey TARBALLS"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>DSL, if available in a small town, is dependent upon the distance from the
>>Central Office or Switch to your home. If your present service won't
>>support
>>dial-up,
>
> Actually, that's outdated information.
>
> For the last 5 years or so, better telcos have placed the "CO"
> equipment in small roadside cabinets fed by separate data and voice
> fiber. In this case, the distance limit *starts* at the cabinet, not
> the downtown central office. The DSL and voice is mixed right there,
> in the cabinet. Way back in 2000, I had a test line that had served
> my model from 3 miles from cabinet.
>
> There is also new extended range DSL deployed which makes the start
> to finish distance even larger than it ever was.
>
> In reality, the distance limit is long gone, if the telco chooses it
> to be gone.
>
> Barry
On 4/10/2006 10:22 AM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
> NO, my total phone bill INCLUDING DSL is < 40.
>
> "cost of my cable + VoIP only slightly higher than my POTS "
>
> That was my point about different markets. The prices of these services
> vary widely throughout the US.
>
>
> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/9/2006 10:42 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
>>> "Expensive cable? Hmm, my VoIP phone and cable "
>>>
>>> I pay $14.95 for DSL. We switched from COMCAST and the cost dropped over
>>> $30 and we got a free wireless modem and a fifty-dollar Best Buy Gift
>>> Card to boot.
>>>
>>> My cost for phone and DSL is now less than what COMCAST was charging us
>>> for CABLE ISP and their service was terrible (Verizon isn't much better).
>>>
>>> I guess it depends upon 1) your market, and 2) your phone use.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 4/9/2006 2:19 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the
>>>> following:
>>>>> "Would DSL work on this line"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes & definitely No!
>>>>>
>>>>> DSL, if available in a small town, is dependent upon the distance from
>>>>> the Central Office or Switch to your home. If your present service
>>>>> won't support dial-up,
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait, did you call the phone company and ask them to check your line
>>>>> before quitting and buying the expensive cable solution? You should be
>>>>> able to Google for DSL and find a site that allows you to enter your
>>>>> phone number and get an answer as to the availability of DSL for your
>>>>> phone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> I live in a small town and the phone lines were so poor that I could
>>>>>> not use dial-up. The pops & crackles would knock me off line. Only one
>>>>>> line was available in my neighborhood and they had no plans to run
>>>>>> more lines. Would DSL work on this line, or would they have to run new
>>>>>> lines for it? Rather than risk it I changed to cable modem and it is
>>>>>> nice, but expensive.
>>>> Expensive cable? Hmm, my VoIP phone and cable is less per month than
>>>> just my plain old POTS, adding DSL to my POTS would have put it close to
>>>> double what I'm paying now. I no longer have POTS, and I get much
>>>> higher transfer rates with my cable than my neighbor does with his DSL.
>>>> He's getting ready to make the switch as well.
>>>>
>>
>> So, you're cost for your POTS with all the bells and whistles is < $42 ?
>>
>> So you would be paying this
>> POTS $41.95 + DSL $14.95 = $56.90
>>
>> To match what I get.
>> VoIP phone with FREE LD, $16.95 + Cable $39.95 = $56.90
>> And I get faster speeds, and free LD that you have to pay for.
>>
>> Unfortunately, cheapest POTS I can get here is $54 a month, making the
>> cost of my cable + VoIP only slightly higher than my POTS alone.
>>
You still don't know how to snip a proper sig? When are you going to
get a PROPER newsreader?
You're $40 gives you Free LD? VoiceMail? Call Waiting, Call Forwarding?
Does your DSL give you 3MB down and 768k up?
Or do you have bare basic DSL and POTS?
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On 4/9/2006 2:19 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
> "Would DSL work on this line"
>
> Yes & definitely No!
>
> DSL, if available in a small town, is dependent upon the distance from the
> Central Office or Switch to your home. If your present service won't support
> dial-up,
>
> Wait, did you call the phone company and ask them to check your line before
> quitting and buying the expensive cable solution? You should be able to
> Google for DSL and find a site that allows you to enter your phone number
> and get an answer as to the availability of DSL for your phone.
>
>
> "Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I live in a small town and the phone lines were so poor that I could not
>> use dial-up. The pops & crackles would knock me off line. Only one line
>> was available in my neighborhood and they had no plans to run more lines.
>> Would DSL work on this line, or would they have to run new lines for it?
>> Rather than risk it I changed to cable modem and it is nice, but
>> expensive.
>
>
Expensive cable? Hmm, my VoIP phone and cable is less per month than
just my plain old POTS, adding DSL to my POTS would have put it close to
double what I'm paying now. I no longer have POTS, and I get much
higher transfer rates with my cable than my neighbor does with his DSL.
He's getting ready to make the switch as well.
--
Odinn
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"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
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'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
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Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org
rot13 [email protected] to reply
"Would DSL work on this line"
Yes & definitely No!
DSL, if available in a small town, is dependent upon the distance from the
Central Office or Switch to your home. If your present service won't support
dial-up,
Wait, did you call the phone company and ask them to check your line before
quitting and buying the expensive cable solution? You should be able to
Google for DSL and find a site that allows you to enter your phone number
and get an answer as to the availability of DSL for your phone.
"Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I live in a small town and the phone lines were so poor that I could not
> use dial-up. The pops & crackles would knock me off line. Only one line
> was available in my neighborhood and they had no plans to run more lines.
> Would DSL work on this line, or would they have to run new lines for it?
> Rather than risk it I changed to cable modem and it is nice, but
> expensive.
"And why is that? With gmail, or yahoo,"
Yahoo is NOT a POP3 account; GMAIL is.
Yes, any e-mail account can be accessed from any connection to the WWW, but
only POP3 accounts can be accessed via one's e-mail client via such a
connection. Those of us who carry their laptops everywhere, like using an
onboard e-mail client to read, write and store their e-mail.
If you don't use Outlook Express or similar, its hard to explain all the
benefits. In fact, if you are new to such an e-mail client, it may be months
before you can appreciate the benefits.
If you had a JUNO account years ago, you have an idea of how it works. You
can read and compose off-line or not. Means, for instance, that you can
attend to your e-mail on the light in and connect and up/down load from the
motel room. With the NetZero $9.95 account, this would translate into free
Internet e-mail access 3 times a day every day all year long. Not bad for a
fellow traveler with a notebook.
"Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/9/2006 2:29 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
>> Yep, forgot about Google - a FREE POP3 e-mail account. I've got one of
>> those, too.
>>
>> POP3 is KEY. You do not want an account that requires the ISP's mail
>> client. You want an account that will work with most any e-mail client
>> and Outlook Express.
>>
>>
>> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I fully support keeping an email account separate from ISP domain.
>>> Most people think you have to have an email address tied to your ISP
>>> and that's not true. You can do it for free these days with Google mail
>>> or AIM mail and 2 gb of storage included.
>>>
>>> I've had a commercial yahoo account for years in order to retain a
>>> permanent email address and get rid of any advertising. I got it
>>> originally when I moved overseas. Its been worth it.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>
>>
>
> And why is that? With gmail, or yahoo, or any of the other free services,
> you can access you mail from ANY web capable kiosk or internet cafe.
>
> --
> Odinn
> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
>
> "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
> worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
>
> Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
> '03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
> '97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
> Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
> Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org
>
> rot13 [email protected] to reply
"Network Solutions $10/month to host it"
Sounds most interesting. Details? URL?
"Ba r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 9 Apr 2006 08:42:21 -0700, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I fully support keeping an email account separate from ISP domain.
>
> I have my own domain and pay Network Solutions $10/month to host it.
>
> I don't even really use the web end of the hosting service, but
> provide email addresses to 27 friends and family.
>
> You can also simply get a free address from Yahoo, etc...
>
[email protected] wrote:
> Moved from So CALIF to Georgia and trying to keep CALIF ISP we have
> used for several years. They provided a list of 25 phone number
> prefixes that they are networked with somehow and one number has
> worked until yesterday. We signed up for Bellsouth ISP support but
> signing on there isn't entirely compatible with the CALIF ISP.
> Username isn't the same and I'm pursuing a "throw away" free ISP as
> backup. Bellsouth leases their lines to another company that we
> switched to and they assert nothing will change but everyone knows
> how "they" are. Just checked Juno as memory recalled no cost and
> cost options but all I saw was $9.95/month which I'd like to avoid.
> Retirement income doesn't offer much wiggleroom! I'm accustomed to
> downloading posts from 4 newsgroups and reading offline and dislike
> tying up the phoneline if forced to read/respond online instead of
> offline. Suggestions welcomed.
About the cheapest you'll find (other than limited time prices) is
around $7.00 a month. My wife used to use Joi, it was OK. But why not
just get DSL? For what you'd pay for two cheapo dial ups you could get
something much faster that doesn't tie up your phone.
--
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NO, my total phone bill INCLUDING DSL is < 40.
"cost of my cable + VoIP only slightly higher than my POTS "
That was my point about different markets. The prices of these services
vary widely throughout the US.
"Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/9/2006 10:42 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
>> "Expensive cable? Hmm, my VoIP phone and cable "
>>
>> I pay $14.95 for DSL. We switched from COMCAST and the cost dropped over
>> $30 and we got a free wireless modem and a fifty-dollar Best Buy Gift
>> Card to boot.
>>
>> My cost for phone and DSL is now less than what COMCAST was charging us
>> for CABLE ISP and their service was terrible (Verizon isn't much better).
>>
>> I guess it depends upon 1) your market, and 2) your phone use.
>>
>>
>> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 4/9/2006 2:19 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the
>>> following:
>>>> "Would DSL work on this line"
>>>>
>>>> Yes & definitely No!
>>>>
>>>> DSL, if available in a small town, is dependent upon the distance from
>>>> the Central Office or Switch to your home. If your present service
>>>> won't support dial-up,
>>>>
>>>> Wait, did you call the phone company and ask them to check your line
>>>> before quitting and buying the expensive cable solution? You should be
>>>> able to Google for DSL and find a site that allows you to enter your
>>>> phone number and get an answer as to the availability of DSL for your
>>>> phone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> I live in a small town and the phone lines were so poor that I could
>>>>> not use dial-up. The pops & crackles would knock me off line. Only one
>>>>> line was available in my neighborhood and they had no plans to run
>>>>> more lines. Would DSL work on this line, or would they have to run new
>>>>> lines for it? Rather than risk it I changed to cable modem and it is
>>>>> nice, but expensive.
>>>>
>>> Expensive cable? Hmm, my VoIP phone and cable is less per month than
>>> just my plain old POTS, adding DSL to my POTS would have put it close to
>>> double what I'm paying now. I no longer have POTS, and I get much
>>> higher transfer rates with my cable than my neighbor does with his DSL.
>>> He's getting ready to make the switch as well.
>>>
>
>
> So, you're cost for your POTS with all the bells and whistles is < $42 ?
>
> So you would be paying this
> POTS $41.95 + DSL $14.95 = $56.90
>
> To match what I get.
> VoIP phone with FREE LD, $16.95 + Cable $39.95 = $56.90
> And I get faster speeds, and free LD that you have to pay for.
>
> Unfortunately, cheapest POTS I can get here is $54 a month, making the
> cost of my cable + VoIP only slightly higher than my POTS alone.
>
> --
> Odinn
> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
>
> "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
> worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
>
> Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
> '03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
> '97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
> Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
> Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org
>
> rot13 [email protected] to reply
"Expensive cable? Hmm, my VoIP phone and cable "
I pay $14.95 for DSL. We switched from COMCAST and the cost dropped over $30
and we got a free wireless modem and a fifty-dollar Best Buy Gift Card to
boot.
My cost for phone and DSL is now less than what COMCAST was charging us for
CABLE ISP and their service was terrible (Verizon isn't much better).
I guess it depends upon 1) your market, and 2) your phone use.
"Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/9/2006 2:19 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
>> "Would DSL work on this line"
>>
>> Yes & definitely No!
>>
>> DSL, if available in a small town, is dependent upon the distance from
>> the Central Office or Switch to your home. If your present service won't
>> support dial-up,
>>
>> Wait, did you call the phone company and ask them to check your line
>> before quitting and buying the expensive cable solution? You should be
>> able to Google for DSL and find a site that allows you to enter your
>> phone number and get an answer as to the availability of DSL for your
>> phone.
>>
>>
>> "Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I live in a small town and the phone lines were so poor that I could not
>>> use dial-up. The pops & crackles would knock me off line. Only one line
>>> was available in my neighborhood and they had no plans to run more
>>> lines. Would DSL work on this line, or would they have to run new lines
>>> for it? Rather than risk it I changed to cable modem and it is nice, but
>>> expensive.
>>
>>
>
> Expensive cable? Hmm, my VoIP phone and cable is less per month than just
> my plain old POTS, adding DSL to my POTS would have put it close to double
> what I'm paying now. I no longer have POTS, and I get much higher
> transfer rates with my cable than my neighbor does with his DSL. He's
> getting ready to make the switch as well.
>
> --
> Odinn
> RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
>
> "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
> worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
>
> Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
> '03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
> '97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
> Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
> Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org
>
> rot13 [email protected] to reply
On 4/10/2006 12:41 PM Larry Blanchard mumbled something about the following:
> Odinn wrote:
>
>> Look. I've been in the computer industry for 25+ years. I've written
>> more applications than I care to think about for Mainframes, UNIX,
>> DOS, Windows, etc.
>
> Darn newbies are everywhere! I started 50 years ago :-).
>
> Of course, I had the good sense to retire 10 years ago when my clients
> started requesing I put SCADA systems on Windoze :-).
>
Damn, did you work on ENIAC?
--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org
rot13 [email protected] to reply
On 4/9/2006 10:52 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
> "Network Solutions $10/month to host it"
>
> Sounds most interesting. Details? URL?
>
>
> "Ba r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 9 Apr 2006 08:42:21 -0700, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I fully support keeping an email account separate from ISP domain.
>> I have my own domain and pay Network Solutions $10/month to host it.
>>
>> I don't even really use the web end of the hosting service, but
>> provide email addresses to 27 friends and family.
>>
>> You can also simply get a free address from Yahoo, etc...
>>
>
>
Are you that stupid? He said from Network Solutions. There is only 1
URL for them. If you can't find it, I'll be sure to keep pointing
people away from your suggestions. You definitely don't have a clue as
to what is going on for computers.
--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org
rot13 [email protected] to reply
On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:19:12 GMT, "Gooey TARBALLS"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>DSL, if available in a small town, is dependent upon the distance from the
>Central Office or Switch to your home. If your present service won't support
>dial-up,
Actually, that's outdated information.
For the last 5 years or so, better telcos have placed the "CO"
equipment in small roadside cabinets fed by separate data and voice
fiber. In this case, the distance limit *starts* at the cabinet, not
the downtown central office. The DSL and voice is mixed right there,
in the cabinet. Way back in 2000, I had a test line that had served
my model from 3 miles from cabinet.
There is also new extended range DSL deployed which makes the start
to finish distance even larger than it ever was.
In reality, the distance limit is long gone, if the telco chooses it
to be gone.
Barry
On 4/9/2006 2:29 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
> Yep, forgot about Google - a FREE POP3 e-mail account. I've got one of
> those, too.
>
> POP3 is KEY. You do not want an account that requires the ISP's mail client.
> You want an account that will work with most any e-mail client and Outlook
> Express.
>
>
> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I fully support keeping an email account separate from ISP domain.
>> Most people think you have to have an email address tied to your ISP
>> and that's not true. You can do it for free these days with Google mail
>> or AIM mail and 2 gb of storage included.
>>
>> I've had a commercial yahoo account for years in order to retain a
>> permanent email address and get rid of any advertising. I got it
>> originally when I moved overseas. Its been worth it.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
>
And why is that? With gmail, or yahoo, or any of the other free
services, you can access you mail from ANY web capable kiosk or internet
cafe.
--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org
rot13 [email protected] to reply
Netzero has a POP3 e-mail account worth looking at. $9.95/year includes 10
hours / month of access and phone numbers galore (so far, I've not found a
little town where I can't get a toll-free number.
No, not suggesting you use this as your ISP, but in conjunction with any ISP
you choose. Had you done this before moving, you would still have your
e-mail address plus access in every town you stopped at heading East.
And, if you find the next ISP you select is less appealing than what you had
or a new alternative, switching is no problem - you keep your e-mail
address.
I would suggest going to the Internet and entering your zip code into the
various ISP PROVIDER links GOOGLE will provide you. Competition is heating
up in some markets (here Verizon is offering $14.95 DSL with a free wireless
modem and a fifty-dollar Best Buy Gift card and I jumped off the $50/month
COMCAST in a NY Minute.
Keeping your ISP Independence for the extra $9.95/year will prove worth it
and allow you the flexibility to switch ISP's at will - making you a more
effective consumer in a market sure to get more competitive going forward.
In my case, the Best Buy gift card not only offset the sign-up fee at
Verizon, but paid for three years of the NetZero account to boot.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Moved from So CALIF to Georgia and trying to keep CALIF ISP we have
> used for several years. They provided a list of 25 phone number
> prefixes that they are networked with somehow and one number has worked
> until yesterday. We signed up for Bellsouth ISP support but signing on
> there isn't entirely compatible with the CALIF ISP. Username isn't the
> same and I'm pursuing a "throw away" free ISP as backup. Bellsouth
> leases their lines to another company that we switched to and they
> assert nothing will change but everyone knows how "they" are. Just
> checked Juno as memory recalled no cost and cost options but all I saw
> was $9.95/month which I'd like to avoid. Retirement income doesn't
> offer much wiggleroom! I'm accustomed to downloading posts from 4
> newsgroups and reading offline and dislike tying up the phoneline if
> forced to read/respond online instead of offline. Suggestions welcomed.
>
On 4/9/2006 10:42 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
> "Expensive cable? Hmm, my VoIP phone and cable "
>
> I pay $14.95 for DSL. We switched from COMCAST and the cost dropped over $30
> and we got a free wireless modem and a fifty-dollar Best Buy Gift Card to
> boot.
>
> My cost for phone and DSL is now less than what COMCAST was charging us for
> CABLE ISP and their service was terrible (Verizon isn't much better).
>
> I guess it depends upon 1) your market, and 2) your phone use.
>
>
> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/9/2006 2:19 PM Gooey TARBALLS mumbled something about the following:
>>> "Would DSL work on this line"
>>>
>>> Yes & definitely No!
>>>
>>> DSL, if available in a small town, is dependent upon the distance from
>>> the Central Office or Switch to your home. If your present service won't
>>> support dial-up,
>>>
>>> Wait, did you call the phone company and ask them to check your line
>>> before quitting and buying the expensive cable solution? You should be
>>> able to Google for DSL and find a site that allows you to enter your
>>> phone number and get an answer as to the availability of DSL for your
>>> phone.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> I live in a small town and the phone lines were so poor that I could not
>>>> use dial-up. The pops & crackles would knock me off line. Only one line
>>>> was available in my neighborhood and they had no plans to run more
>>>> lines. Would DSL work on this line, or would they have to run new lines
>>>> for it? Rather than risk it I changed to cable modem and it is nice, but
>>>> expensive.
>>>
>> Expensive cable? Hmm, my VoIP phone and cable is less per month than just
>> my plain old POTS, adding DSL to my POTS would have put it close to double
>> what I'm paying now. I no longer have POTS, and I get much higher
>> transfer rates with my cable than my neighbor does with his DSL. He's
>> getting ready to make the switch as well.
>>
So, you're cost for your POTS with all the bells and whistles is < $42 ?
So you would be paying this
POTS $41.95 + DSL $14.95 = $56.90
To match what I get.
VoIP phone with FREE LD, $16.95 + Cable $39.95 = $56.90
And I get faster speeds, and free LD that you have to pay for.
Unfortunately, cheapest POTS I can get here is $54 a month, making the
cost of my cable + VoIP only slightly higher than my POTS alone.
--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org
rot13 [email protected] to reply
On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:20:10 -0400, Odinn <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>And why is that? With gmail, or yahoo, or any of the other free
>services, you can access you mail from ANY web capable kiosk or internet
>cafe.
What he said.
Even my Network Solutions hosted private domain addresses have a slick
web interface included in the $10/month fee. POP3 is overrated
nowadays, and possibly even obsolete.
Barry
On 4/11/2006 1:19 PM Larry Blanchard mumbled something about the following:
> Odinn wrote:
>
>>> Of course, I had the good sense to retire 10 years ago when my
>>> clients started requesing I put SCADA systems on Windoze :-).
>>>
>> Damn, did you work on ENIAC?
>>
>
> Nope - just Univac, Readix, Ramac, etc.. My favorite was the GE400
> series that came out in the mid 60s. I even wrote a DOS for that one,
> with about as much functionality as MSDOS :-).
>
> I started with punched cards in '55 and started programming on the
> Readix in '57. Take a look at:
>
> http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/BRL61-0809.jpg
>
I never played with any iron that old, the oldest I ever developed on
was Harris H300/H800, Honeywell DPS-6, and Wang VS-100s. Wrote a lot of
terminal emulators and file transfer protocols in the mid-late 80's for
DOS and Windows, but I've always been a UNIX geek. In the mid 90's I
was part owner (and CTO) of an ISP. Nowdays, I do admin for several
hundred Windows, HP-UX, AIX and Linux servers.
--
Odinn
RCOS #7 SENS BS ???
"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshiped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton
Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org
rot13 [email protected] to reply
On 9 Apr 2006 08:42:21 -0700, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I fully support keeping an email account separate from ISP domain.
I have my own domain and pay Network Solutions $10/month to host it.
I don't even really use the web end of the hosting service, but
provide email addresses to 27 friends and family.
You can also simply get a free address from Yahoo, etc...