TM

Thomas Mitchell

14/07/2003 11:41 AM

WD-40

I haven't been here long, a couple months, but I haven't seen this
topic. What do people think about WD-40? I've heard two conflicting
sides of this debate. One says it's ok to use, the other says it
contains water and will result in rust.

I got a used Delta drill press a couple weekends ago which needed
cleaning up, ie dirt and grime. I used WD-40 all over it last night and
the press cleaned up nice. First time I've really used WD-40 on my
woodworking tools.


This topic has 30 replies

Rv

"RikC"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

14/07/2003 5:38 PM

I use my hand tools on a daily basis (plumber) and I use wd40 just as much.
This keeps my tools clean and rust free.

rik

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"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I haven't been here long, a couple months, but I haven't seen this
> topic. What do people think about WD-40? I've heard two conflicting
> sides of this debate. One says it's ok to use, the other says it
> contains water and will result in rust.
>
> I got a used Delta drill press a couple weekends ago which needed
> cleaning up, ie dirt and grime. I used WD-40 all over it last night and
> the press cleaned up nice. First time I've really used WD-40 on my
> woodworking tools.
>

Gd

Gnube

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

15/07/2003 6:47 PM

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:05:02 GMT, [email protected] (Bruce) wrote:

>In rec.woodworking
>Gnube <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:45:53 -0400, Thomas Mitchell
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>ok. I forget where I saw the argument about WD-40 having water in it,
>>>but it was some other msg board.
>
>
>>Could it be 3 in 1 oil you are thinking of? as that can contain water,
>>since it contains (or used to) meths and that does contain water (or
>>used to). I found out about this a very long time ago, so things may
>>have changed, and I don't have a can handy to check - I switched to
>>using castrol ever since I found out!
>
>I know you didn't write the top part Gnube but I don't have that post.

We, as a group of users with my ISP, have to ride our supplier pretty
hard to get a half decent news service out of them, but if we're being
smart we never admit to being happy, as it means they stop trying so
hard and it'll never get better if that happens! ;O)

Helps to get most of the posts though!

One or two keep saying how happy they are, and those damn fools are
letting the rest of us down! ;O) <sigh>

Take Care,
Gnube
I don't want to win the lottery I just want to win a barn full of seasoned timber! ;O)

Gd

Gnube

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

15/07/2003 3:37 AM

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:45:53 -0400, Thomas Mitchell
<[email protected]> wrote:

>ok. I forget where I saw the argument about WD-40 having water in it,
>but it was some other msg board.

Could it be 3 in 1 oil you are thinking of? as that can contain water,
since it contains (or used to) meths and that does contain water (or
used to). I found out about this a very long time ago, so things may
have changed, and I don't have a can handy to check - I switched to
using castrol ever since I found out!

Take Care,
Gnube
I don't want to win the lottery I just want to win a barn full of seasoned timber! ;O)

TM

Thomas Mitchell

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

14/07/2003 12:44 PM

Now that's an interesting use. I sometimes need help starting the
chipper/shredder and always forget to get a can of ether. I'll remember
that trick.

Jim Mc Namara wrote:
> No water content - developed by the military - name is its own description:
> WD (water displacer 40). I've used it to help start a lawn mower (spraying
> into intake - easier on cylinders than ether) but as a regular lubricant - I
> don't do it. Others do and have no problem -
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> "Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I haven't been here long, a couple months, but I haven't seen this
>>topic. What do people think about WD-40? I've heard two conflicting
>>sides of this debate. One says it's ok to use, the other says it
>>contains water and will result in rust.
>>
>>I got a used Delta drill press a couple weekends ago which needed
>>cleaning up, ie dirt and grime. I used WD-40 all over it last night and
>>the press cleaned up nice. First time I've really used WD-40 on my
>>woodworking tools.
>>
>
>
>

TM

Thomas Mitchell

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

15/07/2003 10:09 AM

Nope. It was a heated debate as I recall, but it may have been just one
person thinking they were right. Good to know that the stuff doesn't
contain water. I'll sleep better at night, and start using it on the
tools again.

Gnube wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:45:53 -0400, Thomas Mitchell
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>ok. I forget where I saw the argument about WD-40 having water in it,
>>but it was some other msg board.
>
>
> Could it be 3 in 1 oil you are thinking of? as that can contain water,
> since it contains (or used to) meths and that does contain water (or
> used to). I found out about this a very long time ago, so things may
> have changed, and I don't have a can handy to check - I switched to
> using castrol ever since I found out!
>
> Take Care,
> Gnube
> I don't want to win the lottery I just want to win a barn full of seasoned timber! ;O)

ts

"tnfkajs"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

14/07/2003 10:33 AM


"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I haven't been here long, a couple months, but I haven't seen this
> topic. What do people think about WD-40? I've heard two conflicting
> sides of this debate. One says it's ok to use, the other says it
> contains water and will result in rust.

This from my Jet tablesaw's manual:
Table Top: Remove rust from the tabletop with WD-40 and a Scotch-BriteT Hand
Pad. Keep a light coat of WD-40 on the tabletop when not in use.

TM

Thomas Mitchell

in reply to "tnfkajs" on 14/07/2003 10:33 AM

14/07/2003 1:48 PM

Do you have a recommendation on the wax?

Charlie Self wrote:
> tnfkajs responds:
>
>
>>This from my Jet tablesaw's manual:
>>Table Top: Remove rust from the tabletop with WD-40 and a Scotch-BriteT Hand
>>Pad. Keep a light coat of WD-40 on the tabletop when not in use.
>>
>
>
> Then Jet is wrong. WD-40 is NOT a lubricant or rust preventer. It removes
> grease, displaces water, and generally is great for cleaning up tools, but a
> coating of non-silicone wax is necessary to prevent rust in any long term
> situation.
>
> Charlie Self
>
> I think we agree, the past is over.
> George W. Bush
>
>
>
>
>
>

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 1:48 PM

15/07/2003 12:39 PM

IMHO, since wax is not a very good water barrier on wood, it does not do
well on iron either. I have tried in the past, waxes and Boehield with out
any decent lasting results. About 14 years ago, I discovered TopCote and
living in Humid Houston, rust is simply not given a second thought anymore.
3 years ago I tried Boeshield on my new TS and have rust stains to prove it.
I immediately went back to TopCote and have not accumulated any more rust
stains. I reapply TopCote when the wood starts to drag.





cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 1:48 PM

14/07/2003 6:47 PM

Thomas Mitchell asks:

>Do you have a recommendation on the wax?

Hard to beat Johnson's, or any good floor wax sans silicone. I use Boeshield
T-9 most of the time these days (laziness, I guess, because it is easier to
apply).

Charlie Self

I think we agree, the past is over.
George W. Bush





TM

Thomas Mitchell

in reply to "tnfkajs" on 14/07/2003 10:33 AM

15/07/2003 10:20 AM

About a year ago, I bought a 'trial size' set of TopCote products I
think. Do they make a pump spray product? I haven't used it yet. As I
recall the set was about $20. I'll have to dig the stuff out of the
cupboard.

tnfkajs wrote:
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>tnfkajs responds:
>>
>>
>>Then Jet is wrong. WD-40 is NOT a lubricant or rust preventer. It removes
>
>
> I don't make the news. I just report it. :)
>
> I don't follow their advice, but for two different reasons: (1) already
> spent nine-bux on that little can of TopCote and (b) rust, in this
> semi-arid climate, is not a big worry.
>
>

ts

"tnfkajs"

in reply to "tnfkajs" on 14/07/2003 10:33 AM

14/07/2003 5:25 PM


"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> tnfkajs responds:
>
>
> Then Jet is wrong. WD-40 is NOT a lubricant or rust preventer. It removes

I don't make the news. I just report it. :)

I don't follow their advice, but for two different reasons: (1) already
spent nine-bux on that little can of TopCote and (b) rust, in this
semi-arid climate, is not a big worry.

kK

in reply to "tnfkajs" on 14/07/2003 10:33 AM

15/07/2003 12:45 AM

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:54:40 GMT, "Jim Mc Namara" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Do you have a recommendation on the wax?
>
>Johnson's paste wax
>
>Jums
Some recent posts here indicate that Johnson's doesn't sell their paste wax
anymore. I haven't seen it on store shelves for some time so I am going to try
to stretch what I have left as far as I can.

Kiyu

JM

"Jim Mc Namara"

in reply to "tnfkajs" on 14/07/2003 10:33 AM

14/07/2003 5:54 PM


"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do you have a recommendation on the wax?

Johnson's paste wax

Jums


LZ

Luigi Zanasi

in reply to "tnfkajs" on 14/07/2003 10:33 AM

14/07/2003 11:33 PM

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:45:27 GMT, [email protected] (Kiyu)
scribbled

>Some recent posts here indicate that Johnson's doesn't sell their paste wax
>anymore. I haven't seen it on store shelves for some time so I am going to try
>to stretch what I have left as far as I can.

Only in Canada. You Merkins can still get it.


Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" twice
in reply address for real email address

bR

bonomi@c-ns. (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "tnfkajs" on 14/07/2003 10:33 AM

15/07/2003 1:51 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Kiyu <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:54:40 GMT, "Jim Mc Namara" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Do you have a recommendation on the wax?
>>
>>Johnson's paste wax
>>
>>Jums
>Some recent posts here indicate that Johnson's doesn't sell their paste wax
>anymore. I haven't seen it on store shelves for some time so I am going to try
>to stretch what I have left as far as I can.
>
>Kiyu
>
>

Butcher's is also good.

DJ

"D. J. Dorn"

in reply to "tnfkajs" on 14/07/2003 10:33 AM

14/07/2003 2:40 PM

If they are, you wouldn't know it by me. I've followed those same
directions and have kept a light coat of WD-40 on the tabletop and have had
no trouble. Also, contrary to popular belief, I use it on my firearms. I
use what I know works. I have also used the wax as you mentioned and it
does work, but not as well in my experience.

Don

"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Then Jet is wrong. WD-40 is NOT a lubricant or rust preventer. It removes
> grease, displaces water, and generally is great for cleaning up tools, but
a
> coating of non-silicone wax is necessary to prevent rust in any long term
> situation.
>
> Charlie Self
>
> I think we agree, the past is over.
> George W. Bush
>
>
>
>
>
>

bB

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

15/07/2003 3:05 AM

In rec.woodworking
Gnube <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:45:53 -0400, Thomas Mitchell
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>ok. I forget where I saw the argument about WD-40 having water in it,
>>but it was some other msg board.


>Could it be 3 in 1 oil you are thinking of? as that can contain water,
>since it contains (or used to) meths and that does contain water (or
>used to). I found out about this a very long time ago, so things may
>have changed, and I don't have a can handy to check - I switched to
>using castrol ever since I found out!

I know you didn't write the top part Gnube but I don't have that post.
WD-40 contains no water. The very name "WD" stands for "Water Displacing."
It wouldn't be a very efficient, using water to displace water.

kK

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

15/07/2003 5:31 AM

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:37:59 +0100, Gnube <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:45:53 -0400, Thomas Mitchell
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>ok. I forget where I saw the argument about WD-40 having water in it,
>>but it was some other msg board.
>
>Could it be 3 in 1 oil you are thinking of? as that can contain water,
>since it contains (or used to) meths and that does contain water (or
>used to). I found out about this a very long time ago, so things may
>have changed, and I don't have a can handy to check - I switched to
>using castrol ever since I found out!
Ooo. Ooo.
I use 3-in-one oil specifically to wipe down my planes. I thought it would be
good for that since it says on the front "lubricates, cleans & prevents rust"
(and it has acheived miracle oil status over the last 50 years in my family).
Interestingly it is made by the WD-40 company.
It only says it contains petroleum distillates on the can but gives no
specifics. Perhaps a MSDS sheet might give details of what is in it.

Kiyu

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

14/07/2003 4:59 PM

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:41:03 -0400, Thomas Mitchell
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I haven't been here long, a couple months, but I haven't seen this
>topic. What do people think about WD-40? I've heard two conflicting
>sides of this debate. One says it's ok to use, the other says it
>contains water and will result in rust.
>
>I got a used Delta drill press a couple weekends ago which needed
>cleaning up, ie dirt and grime. I used WD-40 all over it last night and
>the press cleaned up nice. First time I've really used WD-40 on my
>woodworking tools.

It will not rust your tools. I've given my metal toolbox a quick
spray with WD40 to prevent rust. I'll use WD40 when a spray is
convenient, but I much prefer kerosene to wipe my tools to prevent
rust. I keep WD40, Liquid Wrench, kerosene, cup grease, and a light
sewing machine oil in my shop at all times. Each product has
advantages/disadvantages but knowing which one to use for the job at
hand is the key.

sW

[email protected] (WoodChuck34)

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

16/07/2003 10:22 AM

Just in case anyone's interested, here's the official history website:

http://www.wd40.com/AboutUs/our_history.html

Sw

"Steve"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

14/07/2003 3:51 PM


"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I haven't been here long, a couple months, but I haven't seen this
> topic. What do people think about WD-40? I've heard two conflicting
> sides of this debate. One says it's ok to use, the other says it
> contains water and will result in rust.
>
> I got a used Delta drill press a couple weekends ago which needed
> cleaning up, ie dirt and grime. I used WD-40 all over it last night
and
> the press cleaned up nice. First time I've really used WD-40 on my
> woodworking tools.
>

The "WD" stands for "Water Displacement" or somesuch. I use it to clean
cast iron but always follow up with a coat of paste wax (that DOES NOT
contain silicone)

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

15/07/2003 5:19 AM

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:41:03 -0400, Thomas Mitchell
<[email protected]> pixelated:

>I haven't been here long, a couple months, but I haven't seen this
>topic. What do people think about WD-40? I've heard two conflicting
>sides of this debate. One says it's ok to use, the other says it
>contains water and will result in rust.

It doesn't. Use it, but don't spray it around your
wood or anything else you want to put a finish on.


>I got a used Delta drill press a couple weekends ago which needed
>cleaning up, ie dirt and grime. I used WD-40 all over it last night and
>the press cleaned up nice. First time I've really used WD-40 on my
>woodworking tools.

Now put a nice coat of paste wax over the cleaned metal.
It'll stay rust-free for months.

--
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Dd

"Dan"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

17/07/2003 8:18 PM

WD stands for Water Displacement. ;)

Dan

"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I haven't been here long, a couple months, but I haven't seen this
> topic. What do people think about WD-40? I've heard two conflicting
> sides of this debate. One says it's ok to use, the other says it
> contains water and will result in rust.
>
> I got a used Delta drill press a couple weekends ago which needed
> cleaning up, ie dirt and grime. I used WD-40 all over it last night and
> the press cleaned up nice. First time I've really used WD-40 on my
> woodworking tools.
>

jb

"js"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

14/07/2003 3:54 PM

actually developed by a company called the Rocket Chemical Company of San
Diego, by chemist Norm Larsen


"Jim Mc Namara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No water content - developed by the military - name is its own
description:
> WD (water displacer 40). I've used it to help start a lawn mower
(spraying
> into intake - easier on cylinders than ether) but as a regular lubricant -
I
> don't do it. Others do and have no problem -
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> "Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I haven't been here long, a couple months, but I haven't seen this
> > topic. What do people think about WD-40? I've heard two conflicting
> > sides of this debate. One says it's ok to use, the other says it
> > contains water and will result in rust.
> >
> > I got a used Delta drill press a couple weekends ago which needed
> > cleaning up, ie dirt and grime. I used WD-40 all over it last night and
> > the press cleaned up nice. First time I've really used WD-40 on my
> > woodworking tools.
> >
>
>

jb

"js"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

14/07/2003 5:17 PM

I believe ya. You can find lots of incorrect information around if you look.

But now you know "The rest of the story."

:)
"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ok. I forget where I saw the argument about WD-40 having water in it,
> but it was some other msg board.
>
> js wrote:
> > pretty hard to have water in it, as it was originally developed as a
water
> > displacement product.
> > Thats what the W and D stand for .. Water Displacement
> > "Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>I haven't been here long, a couple months, but I haven't seen this
> >>topic. What do people think about WD-40? I've heard two conflicting
> >>sides of this debate. One says it's ok to use, the other says it
> >>contains water and will result in rust.
> >>
> >>I got a used Delta drill press a couple weekends ago which needed
> >>cleaning up, ie dirt and grime. I used WD-40 all over it last night and
> >>the press cleaned up nice. First time I've really used WD-40 on my
> >>woodworking tools.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

bR

bonomi@c-ns. (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

15/07/2003 1:53 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Nicholas <[email protected]> wrote:
>I thought the WD stood for War Department.....

nah, that's one of the alternates for SWMBO. <grin>

>wrong again it seems.
>
>On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:38:05 GMT, "RikC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I use my hand tools on a daily basis (plumber) and I use wd40 just as much.
>>This keeps my tools clean and rust free.
>>
>>rik
>

JM

"Jim Mc Namara"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

14/07/2003 3:49 PM

No water content - developed by the military - name is its own description:
WD (water displacer 40). I've used it to help start a lawn mower (spraying
into intake - easier on cylinders than ether) but as a regular lubricant - I
don't do it. Others do and have no problem -

Jim



"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I haven't been here long, a couple months, but I haven't seen this
> topic. What do people think about WD-40? I've heard two conflicting
> sides of this debate. One says it's ok to use, the other says it
> contains water and will result in rust.
>
> I got a used Delta drill press a couple weekends ago which needed
> cleaning up, ie dirt and grime. I used WD-40 all over it last night and
> the press cleaned up nice. First time I've really used WD-40 on my
> woodworking tools.
>

Sd

Silvan

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

15/07/2003 11:12 AM

Thomas Mitchell wrote:

> ok. I forget where I saw the argument about WD-40 having water in it,
> but it was some other msg board.

Are you sure it wasn't more like "WD-40 will make your tools rust?"

I've heard that a lot. I can't remember the arguments. The gun people
especially hate it, and point out time and again how evil it is.

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Nn

Nicholas

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

14/07/2003 9:02 PM

I thought the WD stood for War Department.....

wrong again it seems.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:38:05 GMT, "RikC" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I use my hand tools on a daily basis (plumber) and I use wd40 just as much.
>This keeps my tools clean and rust free.
>
>rik

Rr

"Rob"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 14/07/2003 11:41 AM

15/07/2003 1:48 AM


"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ok. I forget where I saw the argument about WD-40 having water in it,
> but it was some other msg board.

I guess you could say WD-40 does have water in it, it has water in the
name!!

Rob


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